Once again - Sawed off / Gnasher - fair ?? See this video

[Baven]

I know this might have been posted already, but ill just make sure as many as possible see's it


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ABrmQ0B3jM

[GOWXjason13X]

Get over it man the SOS is going no where. As its stated by many Epic developers its the "Anti-Gnasher" Try a AR it works, you know right on the D-pad

[The Karnage]

i mean this in the nicest way possible, if your willing to roll around against someone with a sawn off shotgun at that range with your gnasher.....dosent matter what the range.....in CQB you will die more than you kill.

assault rifle??

[ColeTrainsTrainer]

No only 500,000 + people have seen it.

I hope you are on the wind up

[FlyingRock]

Get over it man the SOS is going no where. As its stated by many Epic developers its the "Anti-Gnasher" Try a AR it works, you know right on the D-pad

The same has been said about the smoke knock down, frag tagging, two piecing and chainsaw suction cup.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJKqvJzplow
I can talk ammo count and distances to explain why it in it's current form is unfair and uncompetitive
Also MLG and GB and all other competitive groups will be or already have banned the SOS due to BALANCE problems.
I mostly used a lancer in gears 2, also in 3 but i firmly believe balance is important.

[Afro Zombie]

Every kid I see who complains about the Sawed Off being over powered does the exact same thing in every game I see: they expect to go toe-to-toe with a Sawed Off user at the range it is most effective at. You think that you can come around that corner with your kid Gnasher with the hope that you can take out someone with the Sawed off, and then he blows you to pieces. Don't get mad and cry on the forums, just realize that you need to develop a different strategy called not sucking that hard.

[ColeTrainsTrainer]

Seriously, just get better at the game.

[FlyingRock]

Every kid I see who complains about the Sawed Off being over powered does the exact same thing in every game I see: they expect to go toe-to-toe with a Sawed Off user at the range it is most effective at. You think that you can come around that corner with your kid Gnasher with the hope that you can take out someone with the Sawed off, and then he blows you to pieces. Don't get mad and cry on the forums, just realize that you need to develop a different strategy called not sucking that hard.

The sawed off is roughly doubt melee range.
That range enters the gnashers two shot range which while playing against rifles is where the gnasher really shines, so you're forced to enter the "three shot range" if you're not looking to update (trade kills), Now this area is iffy, you can typically three shot a lancer, a hammerburst but three shotting a retro is basically luck, with an active reload this is curved a little because the three shot range is now a two shot but i'd prefer to prevent people from pre-activing at all times, I did not enjoy that in gears 2 And if it makes a major comeback in 3 i'll be disappointed.

Four shot range with the gnasher is a joke, anyone in this range should be using a rifle, period, this is where the Retro shines and destroys pretty much everything. So where does the gnasher fit in? And how is the CQC fair for the gnasher user?

Edit: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gJKqvJzplow

[Crimicles]

Get over it man the SOS is going no where. As its stated by many Epic developers its the "Anti-Gnasher" Try a AR it works, you know right on the D-pad

Well said, bro.

[FlyingRock]

Again..

chainsaw suction was netcode related.
Frag tagging was alleviated in gears 3 but not removed.
Smoke knocked down broke the game so had to be removed.
2 piecing was born thanks to the inconsitency of the tu1-tu5 shotty at gib range. 2 piecing was alleviated but not removed.

Dbs isnt broken. Its a gamers perspective on whats fun and what isnt. Also, the dbs in essence is the two piecing crowd.. and the tu1-tu5 gnasher player.

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Chainsaw suction cup was netcoding from the "rubberbanding" that ALL multiplayer games suffer from, examples of this happening with the SOS is just as common as the chainsaw.
frag tagging in its original form was patched DURING gears of war 1, further nerfed in 2
Two piecing originated from people like my self who realized you could stun and shadow step an opponent using a pistol during gears of war 1, my record was three opponents at once, melee, shadow step melee, other opponent repeat, first one begins to get back up, repeat. It was even better on a LAN, now they decreased its usability slightly in gears 2 before further patching it in UT 6 I believe?
Smoke knock down broke the game in your opinion, i knew many people who felt it only needed a slight radus tweak.

DBS has a further range then the two piece, actually has DOUBLE the range, so no it is not "the new two piece".

[ben1bob]

Get over it man the SOS is going no where. As its stated by many Epic developers its the "Anti-Gnasher" Try a AR it works, you know right on the D-pad

using AR's ALL THE TIME is boring. and now CQC is boring too, becasue of the SOS. i love my HB, but i love the Gnasher gameplay too. sorry, i mean past tense, i lovED the Gnasher gameplay. it's still brilliant if you happen to face a Gnasher team tho.

but when will you people realise it's not about whether it's beatable or not (even tho it's gib range is clearly unbalanced) but that it completely ruins the fun of CQC?

if you think fun CQC is one shot and dead without any skill involved other than having the guy somewhere on your screen, then you honestly do not know what fun is! that novelty will soon wear off, i promise you.

have you seen any SOS montages? nope. who would watch that? just some bloke running at people knowing his gib range trounces their Gnashers, or hiding round corners waiting for them. it's a boring weapon that dominates the entire game and consequently ruins it.

it's weird that the people who hated the Gnasher because it made Gears of War Gnashers of War are only too happy about the SOS. incredibly hypocritical. the reason they like the SOS is because they can use it, but they couldn't use the Gnasher. it's as simple as that. so the reasons they were giving before, such as it dominating the game, were smokescreens because they kept getting killed by a weapon they couldn't use.

one gun, no matter what it is, should not dominate Gears. the Gnahser is now perfectly balanced against the rifles. the rifles are pretty much fairly balanced against one another. but the SOS, a mess of a weapon unfortunately.

[qwertyoip]

using AR's ALL THE TIME is boring. and now CQC is boring too, becasue of the SOS. i love my HB, but i love the Gnasher gameplay too. sorry, i mean past tense, i lovED the Gnasher gameplay. it's still brilliant if you happen to face a Gnasher team tho.

but when will you people realise it's not about whether it's beatable or not (even tho it's gib range is clearly unbalanced) but that it completely ruins the fun of CQC?

if you think fun CQC is one shot and dead without any skill involved other than having the guy somewhere on your screen, then you honestly do not know what fun is! that novelty will soon wear off, i promise you.

have you seen any SOS montages? nope. who would watch that? just some bloke running at people knowing his gib range trounces their Gnashers, or hiding round corners waiting for them. it's a boring weapon that dominates the entire game and consequently ruins it.

it's weird that the people who hated the Gnasher because it made Gears of War Gnashers of War are only too happy about the SOS. incredibly hypocritical. the reason they like the SOS is because they can use it, but they couldn't use the Gnasher. it's as simple as that. so the reasons they were giving before, such as it dominating the game, were smokescreens because they kept getting killed by a weapon they couldn't use.

one gun, no matter what it is, should not dominate Gears. the Gnahser is now perfectly balanced against the rifles. the rifles are pretty much fairly balanced against one another. but the SOS, a mess of a weapon unfortunately.

The reason people like the SOS is because they like using rifles. If they hold a sawed off people will eventually back off from them, and let them play with their rifles. it's not really that hard to make the connection.

[Scoooba]

using AR's ALL THE TIME is boring. and now CQC is boring too, becasue of the SOS. i love my HB, but i love the Gnasher gameplay too. sorry, i mean past tense, i lovED the Gnasher gameplay. it's still brilliant if you happen to face a Gnasher team tho.

but when will you people realise it's not about whether it's beatable or not (even tho it's gib range is clearly unbalanced) but that it completely ruins the fun of CQC?

if you think fun CQC is one shot and dead without any skill involved other than having the guy somewhere on your screen, then you honestly do not know what fun is! that novelty will soon wear off, i promise you.

have you seen any SOS montages? nope. who would watch that? just some bloke running at people knowing his gib range trounces their Gnashers, or hiding round corners waiting for them. it's a boring weapon that dominates the entire game and consequently ruins it.

it's weird that the people who hated the Gnasher because it made Gears of War Gnashers of War are only too happy about the SOS. incredibly hypocritical. the reason they like the SOS is because they can use it, but they couldn't use the Gnasher. it's as simple as that. so the reasons they were giving before, such as it dominating the game, were smokescreens because they kept getting killed by a weapon they couldn't use.

one gun, no matter what it is, should not dominate Gears. the Gnahser is now perfectly balanced against the rifles. the rifles are pretty much fairly balanced against one another. but the SOS, a mess of a weapon unfortunately.

THANK YOU at least I know there is one other person that knows whats going on, wish i could make that my sig

[TheOriginalSab]

I just feel they should make the Sawed-Off match its description. It says its not effective outside of melee range, but it most definitely is. That's practically false advertisement, so they should fix it.

[Baven]

using AR's ALL THE TIME is boring. and now CQC is boring too, becasue of the SOS. i love my HB, but i love the Gnasher gameplay too. sorry, i mean past tense, i lovED the Gnasher gameplay. it's still brilliant if you happen to face a Gnasher team tho.

but when will you people realise it's not about whether it's beatable or not (even tho it's gib range is clearly unbalanced) but that it completely ruins the fun of CQC?

if you think fun CQC is one shot and dead without any skill involved other than having the guy somewhere on your screen, then you honestly do not know what fun is! that novelty will soon wear off, i promise you.

have you seen any SOS montages? nope. who would watch that? just some bloke running at people knowing his gib range trounces their Gnashers, or hiding round corners waiting for them. it's a boring weapon that dominates the entire game and consequently ruins it.

it's weird that the people who hated the Gnasher because it made Gears of War Gnashers of War are only too happy about the SOS. incredibly hypocritical. the reason they like the SOS is because they can use it, but they couldn't use the Gnasher. it's as simple as that. so the reasons they were giving before, such as it dominating the game, were smokescreens because they kept getting killed by a weapon they couldn't use.

one gun, no matter what it is, should not dominate Gears. the Gnahser is now perfectly balanced against the rifles. the rifles are pretty much fairly balanced against one another. but the SOS, a mess of a weapon unfortunately.

You've got it right -

Why are ppl defending SOS ? it is nonsense to me! I used to love gnasher duels, but they are rare in this new game. I can accept beeing beaten by another gnasher user, but to be blown away by a SOS user pointing several yards beside you is like a hard slap in my face! I feel they've cheated..

Sawed off is a pain in the ass

NERF IT ! at least

[IDemonic IPayne]

that video only compares the weapons at close rang... he should have compared at 15 foot range as well as 20 and see witch weapon does more damage

[justin256]

The reason people like the SOS is because they like using rifles. If they hold a sawed off people will eventually back off from them, and let them play with their rifles. it's not really that hard to make the connection.

That's funny bec the ppl I see using sos are always using it, never once do I see them switch to a rifle, they run up shoot, run away then wait behind nearest cover for next person to venture close enough, rinse repeat. Now their may be a small percentage use it as a secondary to their rifle, but its not enough to mean anything. Keep defending it. Everyone, well the majority knows the truth ab the gun. How can anyone say its fair when epic basically said they added it as a crutch weapon. What does that tell you? Hmmmmmmmm. Hint hint wink wink. Most people who say its fair and balanced bec they use the **** out of it

[trident60]

Everyone needs to adapt!!!

[HeyIsYourMom]

Old playlist

[brownqk]

I'm not a fan of whining but this is a pretty damning video....

[arctura]

Get over it man the SOS is going no where. As its stated by many Epic developers its the "Anti-Gnasher" Try a AR it works, you know right on the D-pad

I like how the majority of Gears players are forced to adapt; why shouldn't new/mediocre players adapt to gameplay that has been a staple within Gears?

[anxiety alchemist]

Every kid I see who complains about the Sawed Off being over powered does the exact same thing in every game I see: they expect to go toe-to-toe with a Sawed Off user at the range it is most effective at. You think that you can come around that corner with your kid Gnasher with the hope that you can take out someone with the Sawed off, and then he blows you to pieces. Don't get mad and cry on the forums, just realize that you need to develop a different strategy called not sucking that hard.

or maybe we should all "adapt".......im being completely sarcastic here. maybe you should open your eyes and admit there is a problem with the sawed off. your not some godly force at gears cause you sit there and condescend facts that people bring up to the table just cause you feel smarter than everyone doesn't actually mean you are

[Baven]

I like how the majority of Gears players are forced to adapt; why shouldn't new/mediocre players adapt to gameplay that has been a staple within Gears?

Thank you

[WastedTalent]

The reason people like the SOS is because they like using rifles. If they hold a sawed off people will eventually back off from them, and let them play with their rifles. it's not really that hard to make the connection.

Lmao. What a weak argument. The rifles themselves being as powerful as they are with the combination of stopping power is enough to stop any gnasher player in their tracks if used right. You shouldn't also need a hand cannon that instantly blows up anyone close to you on your screen by doing nothing but pressing RT too. The gun was added for players that don't want to work at getting better at something and rather have kills spoon fed to them so they can too feel like they actually matter to a team. It is like putting an untalented guy in the NFL and telling him he doesn't have to tackle like anyone else all he as to do his one hand ouch the ball carrier that way it is more fair for him.

[WastedTalent]

I like how the majority of Gears players are forced to adapt; why shouldn't new/mediocre players adapt to gameplay that has been a staple within Gears?

Exactly. All the kids that didn't have the skill and coordination to adapt to fast paced gnasher gameplay all get to sit back, smile and tell gnasher players to adapt now that they have a weapon nooby enough to where they can kill them. It truly is hypocrisy in it's purest form.