Why people defend the sos so much ?

[michibee]

just saying . this gun is broken and this is the real proof.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ABrmQ0B3jM

I understand that if you suck aiming this gun might be for you , but with a broken Gib range . the DBS makes this game boring .
tired of owning DBS noobs with my HB ,




EPIC !! FIX THE GIB RANGE OF THIS GUN !! I WANT THE EXCITING SG DUELS BACK !!!!!

[Squeezins]

Why do you have to whine about it?

[II Rave]

Why do you have to whine about it?

Because he has the right to and gives a valid example of what his problem is.

[Delicious Cyan]

Funny.... I am almost always defeated by Gnasher users in close quarters even if i use the DBS. In fact, the DBS is more of a defence weapon. If i see some pro Gnasher user rushing me i think **** IM ****ED! and whip out the DBS and pray to the gods i manage to take him to hell with me..... That or i need to be sneaky and wait for someone to run past me while im in cover for the instant blindfire kill.


You must just suck.

[JohnLennon]

That video is f***ing stupid! They are just standing in front of each other at the perfect range for the SOS to get a one-shot kill and the worst range for the gnasher in comparison. Stand a few feet back and the gnasher will own the SOS every time. Stand as close as they were and the SOS will always win. And then stand even closer and they are even.

I've seen gnashers own SOS countless times in OP. I'm sorry michibee, but because you suck at this game it doesn't mean any guns are "broken". I'd rather people used the SOS more often because they are at a severe disadvantage in my opinion. Learn to play the game properly, I'm tired of kids like you whining because they suck.

[Infernal_dream]

Funny.... I am almost always defeated by Gnasher users in close quarters even if i use the DBS. In fact, the DBS is more of a defence weapon. If i see some pro Gnasher user rushing me i think **** IM ****ED! and whip out the DBS and pray to the gods i manage to take him to hell with me..... That or i need to be sneaky and wait for someone to run past me while im in cover for the instant blindfire kill.


You must just suck.

Or you must just suck. There's no way in hell if I'm getting rushed by a gnasher and I have the DBS that i'm losing that fight. It's a skill-less, aimless weapon. As shown in half the videos posted in these forums 400 times a day.

[OyeDale05]

Because most of the people that defend it probably use the dbs.. the gun is annoying any baby can get kills with it no skill involved but w.e epic wont change anything they want nubs to play the game. Don't even get me started with the HB and the lancer downing people from a mile away it's pathetic

[Infernal_dream]

That video is f***ing stupid! They are just standing in front of each other at the perfect range for the SOS to get a one-shot kill and the worst range for the gnasher in comparison. Stand a few feet back and the gnasher will own the SOS every time. Stand as close as they were and the SOS will always win. And then stand even closer and they are even.

I've seen gnashers own SOS countless times in OP. I'm sorry michibee, but because you suck at this game it doesn't mean any guns are "broken". I'd rather people used the SOS more often because they are at a severe disadvantage in my opinion. Learn to play the game properly, I'm tired of kids like you whining because they suck.

Hey dumbass, he's showing the clear reward for a lack of any aiming skill. The character is no where even close to the center of the screen, yet he gets blown to pieces. Where is the skill in that? I can spin around in circles and blow the **** out of everything because the spread is stupidly huge.

[Jukes]

tired of owning DBS noobs with my HB

if you own dbs noobs, why complain about it in the first place.

[TheronGuard]

Has super spread and and more damage look at the stats what would be the point of a gun if it cant do anything past what you can reach the gnashers power is it has 8 rounds can down up to 15 feet gib at close range also has a short reload the guns do what they're suppose to get over yourselves sawed-off has great power at a great cost the gnasher has no risk what's so ever you tell me what's op

[JohnLennon]

Hey dumbass, he's showing the clear reward for a lack of any aiming skill. The character is no where even close to the center of the screen, yet he gets blown to pieces. Where is the skill in that? I can spin around in circles and blow the **** out of everything because the spread is stupidly huge.

He may not be close to the center of the screen, but he is RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM! The skill in that is how a player can manage to get so close to him without him doing **** all. The spread is only helpful if the enemy is right in front of you, and if you have ANY skill in the game, players wouldn't be able to get up in your face so easily. The video is terrible and doesn't show any gameplay, just two players standing in front of each other which is the ONLY situation where the SOS can outplay the gnasher.

Just because you suck at Gears of War, you don't have to call me a dumbass. Stop being so whiny.

[Delicious Cyan]

Or you must just suck. There's no way in hell if I'm getting rushed by a gnasher and I have the DBS that i'm losing that fight. It's a skill-less, aimless weapon. As shown in half the videos posted in these forums 400 times a day.

I am not a gears pro, so yes, by your standards i likely DO suck.

I am a casual gamer who enjoys playing video games from time to time. The SOS gives me a fighting chance in a situation where i would ordinarily have NO chance.

There is a reason many people are "afraid" to play games online. Fear of utter hopeless annihilation in the face of skilled players. The SOS is, as i mentioned, a final self defense.... The last hoorah before my face gets blown off.

I still loose most of the time. I still have a pitiful K.D ratio below 1..... But the DBS gives me that little glimmer of a chance, and its what keeps me playing. Me and everyone else like me.

[Tew Evident]

Funny.... I am almost always defeated by Gnasher users in close quarters even if i use the DBS. In fact, the DBS is more of a defence weapon. If i see some pro Gnasher user rushing me i think **** IM ****ED! and whip out the DBS and pray to the gods i manage to take him to hell with me..... That or i need to be sneaky and wait for someone to run past me while im in cover for the instant blindfire kill.


You must just suck.

Your lack of any skill isn't a valid point of why the DBS is not Overpowered

[Thabronxkid]

great post. hope they make a new playlist.

[Thabronxkid]

He may not be close to the center of the screen, but he is RIGHT IN FRONT OF HIM! The skill in that is how a player can manage to get so close to him without him doing **** all. The spread is only helpful if the enemy is right in front of you, and if you have ANY skill in the game, players wouldn't be able to get up in your face so easily. The video is terrible and doesn't show any gameplay, just two players standing in front of each other which is the ONLY situation where the SOS can outplay the gnasher.

Just because you suck at Gears of War, you don't have to call me a dumbass. Stop being so whiny.

talk about whiney .. lmao ur acting like a child. grow up guy. Gnasher > DBS. little baby

[Tew Evident]

I am not a gears pro, so yes, by your standards i likely DO suck.

I am a casual gamer who enjoys playing video games from time to time. The SOS gives me a fighting chance in a situation where i would ordinarily have NO chance.

There is a reason many people are "afraid" to play games online. Fear of utter hopeless annihilation in the face of skilled players. The SOS is, as i mentioned, a final self defense.... The last hoorah before my face gets blown off.

I still loose most of the time. I still have a pitiful K.D ratio below 1..... But the DBS gives me that little glimmer of a chance, and its what keeps me playing. Me and everyone else like me.

OR you could put some time into the game and obtain some skill like everyone else has.

[JaxDemon]

People are sick of having to play one way all the time that's why it's being defended. All I see is people saying ' I miss my shotgun battles' But look when Gears 2 come out and with all the changes the hardcore Gears 1 players including myself moaned and moaned and we where told to shut up and adapt so we either did or moved on. Now it's the same all over again but this time Gears 2 lovers whining over the gun.

[JohnLennon]

talk about whiney .. lmao ur acting like a child. grow up guy. Gnasher > DBS. little baby

You don't have any argument and know that I am right, so you resort to insulting me? You call me a child but you write like you're in the seventh grade lmao... Grow up. I was the one saying I preferred the gnasher. Don't be such a whiny little girl and read the conversation before getting all butthurt in the middle of it. People like you are an embarrassment to the franchise.

[ShadowsEnclosed]

The only thing the video does is show the difference between the two guns, congrats, the Sawed-off doesn't act like the Gnasher... Big shocker there.

People defend the Sawed-off because they feel like it needs defending, other wise the people that don't know what they're talking about get their way. Then you have people like me who like to play the devil's advocate.

It's a different gun, that's all it is, a different gun that's unlike most others. The skill isn't in the aiming at all, the skill is when to shoot and not die while using the thing. I'm not sayind that this puts people that use the sawed-off on par with others, just that they're using a different skill set. Really, it's a gun that's guaranteed to fail. I've seen the thing fail more then it has succeeded, and I'ver hardly ever seen someone live after failing with it. It is by this logic that I say the Sawed-off is fine and doesn't need change.

[Delicious Cyan]

OR you could put some time into the game and obtain some skill like everyone else has.

What kind of ridiculous, self righteous and self entitled attitude is that?


This is a video game. A game i PAID for! Its leisure, not work.

What makes you think that simply doing something over and over again makes one better at it? I could try all day for the rest of the year to paint the mona lisa and still couldnt pull it off. Not to mention that i simply do not have time to "put into a game". I play when i can, and when i can i want to be able to be included in the fun.


You make no valid points.


I explained why people defend the SOS.

Its for people like me to be able to compete with people like you. Get over yourself.

[Sir Buttons]

I'm just curious to see what an exclusive Sawed Off users K/D is compared to an exclusive Gnasher users..I wonder who does better in the long run...Face it, you can't put up good scores and consistent streaks with the Sawed Off like you can with the Gnasher. The gnasher still is the better weapon unlike most people who think the Sawed Off is COMPLETE domination. It is a nuisance at times but isn't a game breaker. You just get more annoyed by it because you aren't used to be being gibbed by anything else.

And no, not everyone that defends it uses it. I used it to earn the execution then switched back to the gnasher. I'd rather go on large killing sprees vs. a couple kills, die, then repeat. If you are getting killed by the Sawed Off to a point of frustration, switch to one and use it against the player. It's the same thing someone with a lancer would have to do in Gears of War 1. If you can't beat em with the lancer, switch to the gnasher and take them that way. So don't tell me that switching to the Sawed Off means it's OP because for 6 years, players were doing the same switching to a gnasher. Some scenarios require you to use the Sawed Off just as certain scenarios require you to use the gnasher, lancer, hammerburst, and retro. It IS mostly a defensive weapon with a lot of consequences for using it as so (reload time, one shot, short ammo) and when it isn't used as one, they aren't coming away with quads and kill streaks.

[D4RKERTH4NBL4CK]

Because he has the right to and gives a valid example of what his problem is.

People who defend it have logical replies too.

It has no hard aim.
It cannot down people.
It's spread has been reduced.
It has incredibly short range. Yes it's gib range is more than the gnasher, but it's still very short.
It has one bullet per clip.
It has a long reload.

Not to mention that it's really pathetic for people to whine so much about something that can be countered by:

A) Not running around like a moron like gnasher users are so used to (I use the gnasher more than the Sawed Off for reference)
B) Rolling backwards.
C) Checking corners.
D) Throwing smoke grenades.
E) All power weapons except the scorcher.
F) Using rifles.

The "die-hard" gnasher users who complain about the Sawed Off are, more often than not, the same people who complain about stopping power, rifles and grenade tags. In short, everything that can be used to counter the gnasher.

[PokahPlaya]

The SOS is completely broken. That said, I'll use it nearly every day and definitely on every close-quarters map and just boost my K/D until Epic fixes it. My friends love it because I don't pick up power weapons anymore and defend them while they rush for them. Why do I need a power weapon when I can spawn with one?

There's literally no sarcasm in this post, my K/D is 2.5+ and 3.0+ in execution and TDM and I'm not playing bots. I'm good, not pro, but I can go 2.0+ K/D with the gnasher... when I pull out the SOS it's like playing GoW3 with a game genie. I'll keep ruining peoples days and blind-firing people dead off the side of my screen till it's fixed-end of story.

[TheronGuard]

The game is balanced every gun has it counter giving you use it right I love this game soon it'll be mlg standard meaning it's balanced and no one thing can be abused anymore get over the fact your gnasher is no longer the right hand of god rifles are suppose to kill you stop complaining about things being perfect your to use to broken game mechanics

[Tew Evident]

The game is balanced every gun has it counter giving you use it right I love this game soon it'll be mlg standard meaning it's balanced and no one thing can be abused anymore get over the fact your gnasher is no longer the right hand of god rifles are suppose to kill you stop complaining about things being perfect your to use to broken game mechanics

This is gears not chess. Guns shouldn't "counter" each other. I dont want to play rock paper scissors.... the sawed off was added for one reason.. to give newer players a gateway into CLOSE QUARTERS COMBAT. NOT to totaly null the years of work veteran players have put into the gnasher metagame.

[A CANADIAN]

The answer to their question is because they are not good at Gears. It's their only way of getting kills. If good players use it then they are just sad. Isn't the "G" silent? It's not Guhnasher is it?

[Mackey81]

Im sick of seeing all the threads about it. Learn how to use the search function and stop posting a thread that was posted over 1000 times.

[ahgha]

Funny.... I am almost always defeated by Gnasher users in close quarters even if i use the DBS. In fact, the DBS is more of a defence weapon. If i see some pro Gnasher user rushing me i think **** IM ****ED! and whip out the DBS and pray to the gods i manage to take him to hell with me..... That or i need to be sneaky and wait for someone to run past me while im in cover for the instant blindfire kill.


You must just suck.

You are the cancer that is killing gears.

[Dirac]

I think this video demonstrates the problem better: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xLzJNkM6CLM#t=0m40s I've included a timestamp; I believe the side view of the Sawed Off's range illustrates the problem most vividly. I am aware the video has been posted before many times.

The game describes the range of the Sawed Off as "melee" range, but, in the video, you can visually place perhaps as many as four people in between the Sawed Off user and his target. There is a very large gap between the two characters. Even if the player on the right is at the very edge of the Sawed Off's effective range, it's still a very long range for an instant gib, particularly in the sense that the spread is so wide in addition to this.

The Gnasher doesn't gib from the same range (not that I would want it to), in addition to requiring more accuracy to be effective. This means that if a Sawed Off user charges a Gnasher user, even if the Gnasher user perfectly lines up a shot, it would be irrelevant because the Sawed Off would gib the Gnasher user and the Gnasher user would, at best, deal critical damage. In order to succeed Gnasher-vs-Sawed Off, I would have to travel deep into the Sawed Off user's gib range and hope that I land a successful one-shot before he or she does. It compounds the relative difficulty of using the Gnasher against the Sawed Off.

This is not an argument about relative skill, who is or isn't a newb, whether or not the weapon can be countered, or how people play. This is a simple issue of relative weapon balance. The Sawed Off's gib range should be shorter than the Gnasher since less accuracy is required. To give the Sawed Off an advantage in both range and spread is not balanced.

To argue against this is to ignore both evidence and logic and to implicitly declare that weapon balance in a competitive game is not important.

[xViperAKx]

I die more by Gnasher than DBS. I use Gnasher, I may not be some 1337 pro player, but my point still stands in terms of statistics.

DBS is a cowardly weapon, and is really only effective as a surprise weapon.

[arCtyC]

I'm just curious to see what an exclusive Sawed Off users K/D is compared to an exclusive Gnasher users..I wonder who does better in the long run...Face it, you can't put up good scores and consistent streaks with the Sawed Off like you can with the Gnasher. The gnasher still is the better weapon unlike most people who think the Sawed Off is COMPLETE domination. It is a nuisance at times but isn't a game breaker. You just get more annoyed by it because you aren't used to be being gibbed by anything else.

And no, not everyone that defends it uses it. I used it to earn the execution then switched back to the gnasher. I'd rather go on large killing sprees vs. a couple kills, die, then repeat. If you are getting killed by the Sawed Off to a point of frustration, switch to one and use it against the player. It's the same thing someone with a lancer would have to do in Gears of War 1. If you can't beat em with the lancer, switch to the gnasher and take them that way. So don't tell me that switching to the Sawed Off means it's OP because for 6 years, players were doing the same switching to a gnasher. Some scenarios require you to use the Sawed Off just as certain scenarios require you to use the gnasher, lancer, hammerburst, and retro. It IS mostly a defensive weapon with a lot of consequences for using it as so (reload time, one shot, short ammo) and when it isn't used as one, they aren't coming away with quads and kill streaks.

Very sound advice, when I get frustrated from it ending my sprees, I tend to switch to an all-out Lancer playstyle instead of using it on other people. There have been a few KoTH games where I'll drop my Lancer and pick up a Sawed off on the ground. Then I get to use the Gnasher/Sawed-Off combo which is very entertaining. I haven't been out gibbed or tied with too many people in a Sawed Off vs. Sawed Off when I pick it up on occasion. What really grinds my gears is when there is a whole team of Sawed Off players and then I have to play very one dimensional using Lancer + power weapons.

[Dirac]

I die more by Gnasher than DBS. I use Gnasher, I may not be some 1337 pro player, but my point still stands in terms of statistics.

Even if the Sawed Off was responsible for 1% of kills, that would not change the fact that is is broken. A cheap mechanic is not OK merely because it is a rare occurrence, it is only easier to ignore. It still needs to be adjusted regardless.

[Afro Zombie]

Because he has the right to and gives a valid example of what his problem is.

So someone can come in and prove just how dumb and pointless his video is by posting another video showing how powerful the Gnasher is and how it still wrecks kids who use the Gnasher. All this complaining is starting to get very irritating, especially since people seem to be coming from the same "my Gnasher is not as powerful as the last 2 games" direction.

[michibee]

let me be clear. I can own noobs using the DBS with my gnasher any time. i am not crying or complaining about the gun being OP .

I am complaining about the gib range of the DBS. ITS BROKEN !!!!!!

this affect the strategy of the game .

when 2 players use the DBS. the person who press the trigger faster dies. with out aiming or using strategy , so there is no way people can use their skill using this gun. if they reduce the gib range . the DBS users will need to use them only to ambush and counter rushers like it supposed to be.
this is what the description of the DBS says:

SAWED OFF : twin sawed off barrels means an extreme wide spread capable of taking down multiple target in a single shot . BUT ZERO EFFECTIVENESS BEYOND MELEE RANGE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

hope you get it right noobs. i am just tired of explaining this over and over . LEARN TO AIM !!!

[ThomasEdison]

Funny.... I am almost always defeated by Gnasher users in close quarters even if i use the DBS. In fact, the DBS is more of a defence weapon. If i see some pro Gnasher user rushing me i think **** IM ****ED! and whip out the DBS and pray to the gods i manage to take him to hell with me..... That or i need to be sneaky and wait for someone to run past me while im in cover for the instant blindfire kill.


You must just suck.

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If you can kill a gnasher user with the SO at close range then you are the one that sucks sir. You give a good player a SO that knows what they are doing in the game they run around gibing people not helping there team and then when odds are against them they just wait behind corner and wait for someone to come. At least people who do tthat with a gnasher they will miss if they suck.