Sawn Off solutions...

[undead_shadow]

Gears 3 is amazing, there's only one problem I have with it:

I think the sawn off needs to be tweaked. I now don't play wingman because people hide out with them on power weapons or rush with them. I've tried playing TDM but I get the opposing team camping with them. (Gridlock- 3 enemies at snipe two hiding sawn off users guarding each stairs and one sniper).

Anyway, I refuse to use this weapon, I don't care if it means I can't get an achievement, I find them cheap to use. We all know the amount of skill that is(n't) involved. They aren't tactical they slow down gameplay etc etc.

So solutions to this:

1. Have sawn off spawn as a power weapon/weapon on a map.

2. Let you equip it at the start as normal but only have 1/2 shells.

3. Take it out of the game...

Pros:

1. In tdms this will make limiting the amount of sawn offs on the map, sawn offs can be easily contained as only one or two enemies or allies will have them.

2. It's still equipable at the start you just have less ammo. Still the one shot cannon epic seem to want it to be, but at least when you get shot by it the enemy can only run away once while reloading and you don't have to chase them again and again. (Most likely into other DBS users so you aren;t dodging their one gun but awhole teams).

3. Not going to happen.

Cons:
1. I actually can't see that many cons to this. The weapon would be fair game, you'd have to earn it to use it, epic can keep the ammo amount and range the same and it'd be easier to handle because hopefully their should be less of them in play at once.

2. The game play would still be slow, if a player only has one shot in the DBS he uses it and doesn't get more ammo (regardless or not of him getting a kill) then they'd undoubtably use their AR more. What with stopping power etc and the game play would be slower but not the camp fest TDM/wingman has now turned into then a day would go by before we'd get people whining about "ARs ARE OVERPOWERED NERF PLEASE OR TAKE DEM OUT OF DIS GAME!!!!!1111"

3. Still not going to happen.

To me the sawn off doesn't add a level of tacticalness to the game because everyone gets one and it's an instant one shot kill 90% of the time, I've watched team mates and enemies aplenty waiting round corner with them just to get that one precious kill that seems to justify to them how amazing they are. Wingman and execution (I haven't played any warzone yet but I imagine it's ARs used most often there) have been slowed down gameplay wise. There's a fine line between added tactics and plain boring with this gun and atm it's on the boring side.

I realise the sawn off was put into the game as an alt starter shotgun, but the community doesn't want that they wanted a gnasher that worked. I also know that any adjustment to the DBS will have after effects on other things in the game, I at least hope they realise or try test different ways to come to a solution like they have with spawn camping on Trenches and Stadium (forgot the name).

I want to know if anyone has any other solutions or suggestions on ways to improve the dbs, at the moment this gun is the UMP of the game.

[Gueri11a]

Leave it the way it is.

[RMcNeil213]

if you dont know how to defens against the S/O then dont blame the game, blame yourself. just practice and make sure when you see and enemy with a shotgun to check if it has the light in the middle and if it does dont go in there guns blazing. no matter what you cant stop people from camping and getting kills but they would still get the kill if they had the gnasher aswell.

[ALIENWAR3]

if you dont know how to defens against the S/O then dont blame the game, blame yourself.

What the above poster said, I have been using the sawn - off and lancer all last night and find, it actually does require some skill, you only get one shot, take forever to load, if you miss, you need to dig yourself out of a hole,the sawn-off does not need to be edited in any way what so ever, leave it as it is, if you don't like or cannot adapt to it, then Gears 3 Multiplayer is not for you, First impressions from me last night when I played for the first time was immense.

[Smooth Outlaw]

Dude everyone is rushing with the sawed off in tdm, your tripping, sawed off needs no tweaking.

[undead_shadow]

What the above poster said, I have been using the sawn - off and lancer all last night and find, it actually does require some skill, you only get one shot, take forever to load, if you miss, you need to dig yourself out of a hole,the sawn-off does not need to be edited in any way what so ever, leave it as it is, if you don't like or cannot adapt to it, then Gears 3 Multiplayer is not for you, First impressions from me last night when I played for the first time was immense.

It's fine, I'm probably just over reacting not having fully adapted to no lag and a handcannon in my face.

I was just raging because when playing tdm last night all my team mates were rushing and getting stomped on by sawn offs leaving me to try get the win with at least 4 sawn off users after me...

[ALIENWAR3]

It's fine, I'm probably just over reacting not having fully adapted to no lag and a handcannon in my face.

I was just raging because when playing tdm last night all my team mates were rushing and getting stomped on by sawn offs leaving me to try get the win with at least 4 sawn off users after me...

When I first for the first time last night, I had to get used to the no lagging, but I soon adapted to it, I rushed with the sawn-off and have been the last man standing being rushed, It'll take some time to getting used too, Epic won't keep everybody happy, but making all the weapons have advantages and disadvantages is the way forward, Epic are going in the right direction.

[evo-fire]

all the weapons are perfect i have played gears of war since it was released and gears 3 is 98% perfect

[NFI]

There are no solutions needed because it isnt a problem. Some of you have a hard time identifying the difference between what NEEDS changed and what you WANT changed. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the DBS, it is easily beatable and in fact I hope the people I play against use it because it is easily exploited.

And I dont know what version of TDM you are playing, mine has everyone in everyonese face going nuts.

There is nothing wrong with the DBS, it doesnt need fixed, it doesnt need removed.

[MSpence516]

I like to pick one up and run around with a gnasher/dbs combo. Absolutely hilarious when I kill someone with dbs, and their team thinks that I have to reload. Then I pull out ol trusty and finish off the rest of them.

[LigHt116]

Old school playlist..

[Whiteboy Gnash]

Nerf it? Please?(;

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[DiscombobulatedThi]

Nerf it? Please?(;

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Nerf to what? It has no range, slow reload, 1 shot at a time, and anything it can do, the gnasher can do just about better. Honestly, you see a DBS, roll back, and you win the ensuing gun fight.

[ActaBunniFooFoo]

Leave it the way it is and learn not to rush every person you see. Confirm whether a enemy is using a DBS or not. And keep your distance if the enemy or enemies in your area do have a DBS. And always make sure you watch your back or have a teammate do it. Its not that hard to counter the DBS. I mean you have to being in hugging distance to get killed by it. SO just dont hug people and you will be fine.

[Timmy Skorcher]

I like the sawed off.. cuz I dont use it and other people do so I let them fire their shot.. then body them.. thanks for the easy kill. Its the people with gnashers that pose the threat.

[gunja1513]

I said this in another post on the same topic. ( These threads need to start getting closed )

I would like to see a delay added to the DBS where you cannot fire straight out of roadie run. Just the the gnasher had in Gears2. They supposedly added the weapon so new people could counter the shotgun battles. So make it more defensive style weapon. You cannot rush across the whole map stop and shot give it a quick delay. Before they can fire. 2 gnasher shots should be able to drop a DBS on the rush, but I find that after you hit them with the first shot and your second will down them, they already are inside the cone of death for the gun.

Let people camp with it, but make it harder for them to rush with it.

Just trying to find a reasonable solution. Also I am not sure how far the distance with the DBS is suppose to be for gibs, but it seems like if you were to lay your character on the ground and add two more steps that is the distance it kills. I would like it toned down just a bit, because that is the exact spot the gnasher becomes a two shot down weapon.

[AndyOchoZero]

Just add a old playlist that has been suggest plenty of times and everyone will be happy.


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[JayWood2010]

Have you ever tried keeping your distance instead of guns blazing? Its called strategy. There is other guns than just a shotgun