Lancer

[Arkhamz]

I'm watching the giantbomb quick look review and damn! he's downing fools with the lancer pretty fast and still has a ton of ammo left to do it a few more times.
Anyone else think the magazine is a bit too big?

[Vevion]

I personally think the lancer's fine, but if they had to fix it, perhaps nerf the damage just a tiny bit.

[Arkhamz]

Yeah that would be good, From what I've seen, I'd rather use the lancer than the hammerburst. By the way, I heard they nerfed the Hammerburst, what did they do?

[Moopop]

I think all they did was lower the amount of damage it does with an active going.

[Jaggs]

Yeah that would be good, From what I've seen, I'd rather use the lancer than the hammerburst. By the way, I heard they nerfed the Hammerburst, what did they do?

What I've heard is that they reduced the Hammerburst's headshot damage.

[Coleyman]

Yeah that would be good, From what I've seen, I'd rather use the lancer than the hammerburst. By the way, I heard they nerfed the Hammerburst, what did they do?

IIRC, they reduced the headshot damage multiplier and increased recoil.

[Arkhamz]

Ah that's not too bad then.

[TheToucanGuy]

In the beta the Lancer had little to no recoil. So if there are changes to it they should be giving it more recoil.

[KloHunt3r]

In the beta the Lancer had little to no recoil. So if there are changes to it they should be giving it more recoil.

Chainsaws weigh around 10-15 lbs. Tie one to the front of a gun along with a full tank of gas and I'm betting it will go a long way in combating recoil.

That of course, is lore-based reasoning. From a gameplay perspective, I like the Lancer having little recoil, it's another quality that makes it unique from the other two rifles. If it has to be nerfed then I say drop the damage a bit.

[Coleyman]

along with a full tank of gas

The Lancer's chainsaw bayonet is not powered by gas.

[JATT]

Man what is up with people wanting a nerf of the lancer before they even play the game? The lancer is supposed to have a long clip, it's supposed to be able to down people. And the lancer does have recoil, much more than the hammerburst. You just don't wanna get downed.

[CharlieSpleen]

I don't care I'm still using the hammerburst. It is in my opinion superior to the other rifles.

[IPuRpLe 904]

He is playing on campaign on normal difficulty, which is like casual without the aim assist. He barely plays multiplayer and does horrible.

[NFI]

The HB did not have recoil added to the gun since the beta.

The Lancers so called buff merely put the gun back to where it was in Gears of War 2. It was not made stronger.

The retro received an increase in hip fire recoil, making it harder to aim using this method.

Lancer received a buff to the head shot multiplier, making it 1.5 damage. However keep in mind that this is what the damage multiplier was in Gears 2. It is not stronger than it was in Gears 2. However no change has occured since the end of the beta.

Here is a link to where this was mentioned: http://forums.epicgames.com/showpost...6&postcount=84


HB got a reduction in its active reload and headshot damage.

Sawed off had lights put on the gun so opponents and identify someone who is using it. Also, DBS no long insta downs outside of gibbing range. If someone has full health it will no longer down you, only if you have already taken damage and are shot outside of gibbing range.


Here is a list of all changes in an interview with Mr. Delhoyo.
http://www.gearsgamers.net/dbs-retro...r-gets-a-buff/



And here is a link about how the Lancer was merely placed back to its Gears 2 level - also posted on these forums by Mr. Delhoyo. So the Lancers "buff" merely put it back on equal footing with its Gears 2 incarnation.
http://forums.epicgames.com/showpost...6&postcount=84

[JATT]

So you're telling me the OP thought the lancer was too strong in an easy version of campaign? They wanna nerf the lancer in MP based on campaign?! What a joke!

[NFI]

They arent going to nerf any of the rifles. People crying for that need to get over it.

[NFI]

I personally think the lancer's fine, but if they had to fix it, perhaps nerf the damage just a tiny bit.

Case in point. They dont need to fix it or touch the damage, it is the EXACT same as the one you have been using in Gears 2 for the last 3 years. People need to stop complaining, the Lancer and all of the rifles are fine as is. They dont need to be touched, period. None of them are OP or a problem. Most of the people asking for these things, think the Lancer got a huge buff over Gears 2.

Not the case.

[NFI]

IIRC, they reduced the headshot damage multiplier and increased recoil.

They did not touch the recoil.

[NFI]

Man what is up with people wanting a nerf of the lancer before they even play the game? The lancer is supposed to have a long clip, it's supposed to be able to down people. And the lancer does have recoil, much more than the hammerburst. You just don't wanna get downed.

This. People dont understand the concept of balance and the different profiles for each of the guns.

[KloHunt3r]

The Lancer's chainsaw bayonet is not powered by gas.

Fine, a battery. But batteries can be just as if not even heavier. That electricity has to be stored somewhere, so in this case a rechargeable battery is equivalent to a refillable tank of gasoline.

[Shweatypalms x]

Most of the people asking for these things, think the Lancer got a huge buff over Gears 2.

Not the case.

Maybe because it did get a major buff in gears 2? TU3 lancer was weaker(and ironically more balanced for gears 2's movement speed) than TU5/6 lancer...just sayin.

[NFI]

No one is talking about the Lancers buffs in Gears 2. I was discussing the Lancer in Gears 3 to the Lancer, the final version of the Lancer, in Gears 2

My point was that the Lancer in Gears 3 did not get a buff OVER the Lancer in gears 2. The lancer in Gears 3 got buffed back to the gears 2 lancers damage level.

Where the Lancer started in Gears 2 is irrelevant. The final version of the Lancer in Gears 2 is the only one that matters, and the buff in Gears 3, brought it back to that level. The Lancer in gears 2 had a 1.5 headshot multiplier, so did the one at the end of the beta following the buff. This is as per a Dev right here on the forum. I posted the link a few posts back.


I thought I made that point perfectly clear. .

[Shweatypalms x]

Yes, but my point was that the Lancer in Gears 3 did not get a buff OVER the Lancer in gears 2. The lancer in Gears 3 got buffed back to the gears 2 lancers damage level.

Where the Lancer started in Gears 2 is irrelevant. The final version of the Lancer in Gears 2 is the only one that matters And the buff in Gears 3, brought it back to that level.

I thought I made that point perfectly clear.

Oh gotchya...yeah either way idk, i think honestly the lancer was fine/good prior to when it got buffed in the beta. It really doesn't need to be where it's at now as it's a little too easy to use, especially now that the retro is fixed for the most part and the hammerburst isn't quite as overbearing as it was in the beta. The hammerburst could use some recoil added on though.

[Arkhamz]

Geez, why do I even bother..

[Atomebendr]

High magazine capacity with the trade-off of low damage.

Seems fine to me.

[Shweatypalms x]

Geez, why do I even bother..

lol sorry...if it makes you feel better, yes i think the lancer clip should be reduced considering the amount of damage it does.

[NFI]

The Lancer still remains a support weapon, as the big damage comes from head shots, and it is tough to do that consistently on a moving target. Its major strength is in suppressive fire. Its overall strength is still the weakest of the 3 rifles. Personally its strength and magazine size, in my opinion, is perfect where it is. It was quite effective as a support weapon in the beta and that is how it should be.

It is the weakest of the 3 rifles, and it compensates for that lack of strength in mobility and rate of fire. Take that down or nerf its damage and the gun becomes useless again.

I think all the rifles are good as is.

[NFI]

lol sorry...if it makes you feel better, yes i think the lancer clip should be reduced considering the amount of damage it does.

But the thing is it doesnt do that much damage. The Lancer only does big damage if you can land headshots, which is extremely difficult with a full auto weapon against a moving target or a mobile target.

It is the weakest of the 3 rifles and you are only in danger if you are stationary or if the person with a lancer is firing into a crowd to suppress for their own teammates.

It is currently identical to the Gears 2 lancer, and thats where it should stay. It is a support weapon and support weapons much have a decent sized mag. IF you are going to reduce the mag size then you have to move the damage up on par with the HB, which will screw up the overall balance.

They all have pros and cons now.

[Elsambo]

Is there any footage of the new lancer. Actually any footage of any of the 3 rifles would be nice. I got told the retro lancer was a joke in the beta but i never played it ?

[NFI]

Is there any footage of the new lancer. Actually any footage of any of the 3 rifles would be nice. I got told the retro lancer was a joke in the beta but i never played it ?

There isnt a "new lancer". Just go throw in your gears 2 disc, its the exact same thing, just on a superior connection. Your lancer gears 3 is like the lancer on host in gears 2. Just everyone has a lancer like the host lancer now.

It is tremendous for covering firing or suppressing a crowd, but a HB at mid range or a good Gnasher user is going to rape face against a Lancer users.

[one hard hitta]

The Lancer's chainsaw bayonet is not powered by gas.

correct....its powered by the blood of locust

[Elsambo]

There isnt a "new lancer". Just go throw in your gears 2 disc, its the exact same thing, just on a superior connection. Your lancer gears 3 is like the lancer on host in gears 2. Just everyone has a lancer like the host lancer now.

It is tremendous for covering firing or suppressing a crowd, but a HB at mid range or a good Gnasher user is going to rape face against a Lancer users.

I ment new as in gears 3 new btw but thanks for clearing that up. What about this retro lancer, i havent played the beta but i heard it was very strong

[NFI]

I ment new as in gears 3 new btw but thanks for clearing that up. What about this retro lancer, i havent played the beta but i heard it was very strong

The retro is a monster at close range, sometimes mid range but it depends on what you classify as mid range. It does exactly what it is supposed to do. Annihilate anything near it. It is a beast of a gun but the recoil is something serious. It is supposed to be strong, and with tweaks made it is now a balanced gun in my opinion.

On small maps in situations with lots of upclose action it can be used to stop incoming rushers.

[Elsambo]

The retro is a monster at close range, sometimes mid range but it depends on what you classify as mid range. It does exactly what it is supposed to do. Annihilate anything near it. It is a beast of a gun but the recoil is something serious. It is supposed to be strong, and with tweaks made it is now a balanced gun in my opinion.

On small maps in situations with lots of upclose action it can be used to stop incoming rushers.

Thanks for the information. I wanted to keep gears 3 as a suprise so didnt play the beta.

[IDeadWork]

I wanted to keep gears 3 as a suprise so I didnt play the beta.

[Super Vegito]

I love the way the Lancer is now. It finally gets the justice it deserves. =)

[AddishunsUJelly]

All rifles are fine just how they are. You can't talk about balance with only one gun in consideration. lancer is weak, HB has decent power, and retro is super strong. But that makes it so that lancer has super sized mag, HB can be shot very quickly and has active at end of quick reload not beginning, and retro has super recoil.

Thats a simple way to look at it.

lol

[Nevermind1982]

The Lancer is fine, it looks great in Gears 3

[NFI]

I think it is safe to say that, as far as balance for the weapons goes, EPIC got it right this time.