Old School Playlist [1250+ Supporters, VOTE NOW]

[Punk Grenadier]

I would love for Annex to make a debut in the Gears of War 3 game but as for modifying playlist without the Retro and Sawed off. . . Come on. Really?!

In Gears 2 we complained about not enough guns to start off the match. EPIC gives us a little more to play with what happens. . Never satisfied

Gears 3 = New opportunity to experience different sort of gameplay not look back at what we settled for in the previous games.

You do realize the Gears 3 gameplay with be unchanged in the normal playlists right?

P.S. I literally never complained about not having enough guns to start with. You start with more than enough guns in Gears 1.

[Sherms24]

Honestly this is a terrible argument. Gears 3 is a AAA blockbuster title that will sell millions, I highly doubt that you won't be able to find 9 other people at any given time in one of the playlists. Hell 2 years down the line since the release of Gears 2 and I never had a problem with finding games.

They do not have a classic playlist!

[Sherms24]

Okay...

Imagine everything right now, be it getting killed by a DBS around a corner, or being retro-hipfired down from 15-20 feet away.


Now...

Imagine that you don't respawn after that. That all you can do about that is stew in frustration while you wait for someone to eventually get bored of camping and slowly move corner to corner looking for the other guys with retros and DBS's.


That, is what execution is going to be if nothing is changed, and/or they choose not to implement this playlist. Enjoy

Oh no, you mean your EPIC shotty battles might get broken up by another weapon, or two? What ever on earth shall you do? You have a team, talk to them and figure out where people are. Really, is this a hard thing to comprehend or what?

[Trendkiller]

I would love for Annex to make a debut in the Gears of War 3 game but as for modifying playlist without the Retro and Sawed off. . . Come on. Really?!

In Gears 2 we complained about not enough guns to start off the match. EPIC gives us a little more to play with what happens. . Never satisfied

Gears 3 = New opportunity to experience different sort of gameplay not look back at what we settled for in the previous games.

Maybe you complained for more starting guns, but the majority of us didn't. Many Gearheads, including myself, loved the fact that gears started everyone off with the same guns. That is a HUGE factor in balancing a game, and makes skill and strategy trump luck. There were no advantages, and everyone had equal opportunity to grab any of the power weapons on the map/take any position. Even in GoW2 when they added the hammerburst it wasn't this bad, because that gun required at least SOME type of accuracy to be more effective than the lancer. That made it balanced. Well that, and it's incredibly small clip.


In GoW3 there are 2 guns not designed to help gameplay, but rather to award cheap easy kills to new players with little to no effort. This was caused because new gamers that were used to going 16-3 in their first game of CoD or halo got frustrated because Gears took more skill than that. The guns has learning curves, and most of the new players were far too lazy to take the time out to learn them.

Then, in GoW2 Epic gave them a crutch to help them stand up with the addition of stopping power and eventually hardaim spread changes. Even with all of that, the new players still weren't satisfied. They were and are still too lazy to learn the game, so they either refused to buy it or complained endlessly here.

Then we have GoW3. The Retro and the DBS are so much stronger than the other guns it's unreal. Sure the other guns take more skill to use, because they actually retained a level of a learning curve, but when people are so diehard about their K/D ratios and W/L ratios, that's when people start using these crutches for every situation. To newer gamers, what's the point in using a weapon I won't be instantly good with? To Veteran gamers who are getting beat and want to take a cheap way out, they will use these overpowered guns as a shortcut to snatching victory away from those more deserving.

Neither gun requires any type of tactics/practice, or well, to be blunt, aiming either. Both are equally as accurate if not more accurate when you walk around hipfiring like it's CoD or Halo. I never thought I'd see the day Epic would stoop to this level to make a quick buck, but hey, I guess that's the business world. There are no heros anymore, there are only people out to make as much money as humanly possible, and only show concern when it comes time to shell out some paid for DLC. But that's every company anymore, so I can't blame Epic for that. I just hope they don't go the way of activision for Gears 3 and charge 1200 points for 4 maps, or go the way of EA/WB and start forcing people to buy online passes if they didn't buy it new.


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sorry if this has been said before but reading 119 pages doesnt sound fun just to say this, isnt HB an old school weapon? it was in gears1. only saying this cuz if i played the Oldschooler playlist id want the HB over the lancer.

argument wouldn't work, considering the gears 1 hammerburst was a burst fire pick-up weapon. It's absolutely nothing like the original in any way, other than the name and fact the locust still carry it. Would love to see a re-appearence of the Retro hammerburst that gives you a damage boost when shooting anyone with a retro or dbs equipped

Wouldn't mind the new one in an old school playlist though, as the gun is balanced with the lancer so perfectly, and is a good but not overpoweringly dominate mid range rifle.

I've said it before, I might say it again. Jack and Coke brings it out.

The Lancer may be the pretty face of the Franchise. But the Gnasher, along with the one on ones... the fun involved... the skill/experienced included... the reason why players fell in love with this game and dropped every other major game out there. This simple shotgun known as the Gnasher, is the heart of Gears of War. Every Veteran out there knows this.

Give the players who stuck by this game, and put this game where it is today... what they would like. The chance to hold onto the true soul of Gears... and keep it going strong.

QFT

[Trendkiller]

Oh no, you mean your EPIC shotty battles might get broken up by another weapon, or two? What ever on earth shall you do? You have a team, talk to them and figure out where people are. Really, is this a hard thing to comprehend or what?

Lol no, "Epic shotty battles" ($50 bucks says you never learned to actually use it and just tried to fight close range with your mid to long range rifle most of the time) will just be replaced by boring plancer battles. (yes, I'm still going to call it that because I found out it seems to bug a lot of the people that abuse it, )
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It's more capable of being abused than a gears 1 host's gnasher. Just wait until retail when all the K/D whores get on and figure this out. You will have NOTHING but close range hipfire plancer battles for the power weapons, and people will proceed to drop the shotgun and either hold the weapons, or attempt to use them, then resume hipfire plancering.

And before you even try to tell me to "engage them from a distance", just give it up. If you hate the shotgun this much you should know full well just how hard it is to keep an enemy at a distance without a team. Otherwise you wouldn't have complained about the gnasher for nearly 5 years straight, amiright?

Gears will eventually devolve into a CQC game no matter which gametype you pick outside of warzone, and even then it's rare to find a warzone game that even half the rounds end from kills across the map.

[Punk Grenadier]

Epic has a good four months. Programming this shouldn't be a problem.

[The Gruff Rabbit]

I voted "yes", but I wouldn't mind the Retro being in it (since the main problem is really the Sawed Off).

Realistically though, Epic isn't going to make an old-school playlist.

We're screwed unless we all just do custom matches (which I'm not into personally).

[Trendkiller]

You guys do realize that your actually asking for like 5 playlists that i know of right?

They can't just code a "classic" playlist. They would have to code classic EVERYTHING. TDM, CTL, Execution, Warzone, and KOTH would ALL have to be coded to a classic play style.

And in cases of other games. Most of those companies came out with them ahead of time. IE CoD releases with the basic mode. But all they have to code is TDM. They don't do classic everything else.

And to think everyone here wants Gears 1.3 with new graphics, maps and executions.

Needless assumptions at the end there, very classy


It's not like they have to make an entire new coding from scratch, it's a varient. Disable retro and dbs (possibly hammerburst, idc about this one), decide if they feel like changing any swaps to just use the older weapons or not, and your good to go. Playlist done. Half of that is already coded since it's an option in private matches. (which don't have matchmaking btw, so that's not really a viable alternative)

If you were referring to the MLG playlist request as well, that one gets even easier. Execution only, 4v4 (they've coded it in gears 2, can't be that hard), spawn with lancer/gnasher combo only, and swap the weapons around. Done.


Neither of these ideas should take more than a fraction of the 4+ months Epic has left to develop this game, and would appease thousands of fans for years to come. I can say that in good faith for both playlists, considering how even to this day people are still finding out about this thread and posting their opinion, so you know not everybody has had a chance to support it, and take the MLG playlist's popularity on other games such as halo for instance.


Bottom line
Neither takes that much time considering you aren't changing ANYTHING about the core game, but just what weapons that players can/can't use.

[kingjc]

Epic has a good four months. Programming this shouldn't be a problem.

Thats what I thought, they got time to make changes and to make things possible. I hope they do.

I rather them focus on stuff like this then Holiday surprises like bunny heads even though I enjoy that stuff I just want a Gears game I can enjoy, last time that happened was in back 2007 before Gears 1 turned into a s***fest of quitters and people only wanting the sniper.

[RTCW Happy Penguin]

I voted "yes", but I wouldn't mind the Retro being in it (since the main problem is really the Sawed Off).

Realistically though, Epic isn't going to make an old-school playlist.

We're screwed unless we all just do custom matches (which I'm not into personally).

Why aren't people clammoring for custom matches instead of begging for playlist types? This countless threads are pointless.

It's like requesting one ice cream that will be served to everyone and people asking for different topping such as, nuts, caramel, cherry, marshmallows, etc. Rather than just giving everyone the option to enjoy their ice cream with whatever flavors and their heart desires. Also just because one day you wanted strawberry doesn't mean you don't want to mix it up with chocolate on others.

[TRELON]

Since this idea is virtually dead, why don't you guys rally your efforts for securing an MLG playlist?

That's something that has REAL support, REAL significance and REAL gameplay differences.

And don't tell me "we need to wait for MLG to release the settings".

Wait, then.

CliffyB actually wanted to talk to an MLG pro so it has a REAL chance.

Oh, and with mugen on our side we've surely won.

[Trendkiller]

Since this idea is virtually dead, why don't you guys rally your efforts for securing an MLG playlist?

That's something that has REAL support, REAL significance and REAL gameplay differences.

And don't tell me "we need to wait for MLG to release the settings".

Wait, then.

CliffyB actually wanted to talk to an MLG pro so it has a REAL chance.

Oh, and with mugen on our side we've surely won.

Lol @ that last part.

Mugen's not a dev, he's just a gamer like us. While it's safe to assume his opinion may carry more weight than the casual fan on here, Epic is going to do what they feel like in the end. A moderator voted no, didn't close the thread or dismiss it, but just voiced their opinion. Joe Graf didn't dismiss the idea, if there was no chance he would have by now.


I agree that the MLG playlist should come first, but this is essentially the middleground between the two. By no means is this necessary if they do decide to incorporate the MLG style varient into a playlist, but if they have the time it wouldn't hurt anything. If they end up doing neither though, I can pretty much guarantee anyone who wants any type of competitive value in this game won't touch the Plancerfest that ranked will become. They will just stick to small, segregated groups of private matches, which will become boring fast due to seeing the same faces constantly and pretty much knowing what your opponent is going to do after a while :/


Just wondering, why are you so adamantly against this idea? Does the idea of not having so many non-plancer users in your games scare you, or do you just really like playing devil's advocate. Because I see no way in which this easily accomplishable idea would hurt anyone's playing experience.

[TRELON]

Just wondering, why are you so adamantly against this idea? Does the idea of not having so many non-plancer users in your games scare you, or do you just really like playing devil's advocate. Because I see no way in which this easily accomplishable idea would hurt anyone's playing experience.

I'm not necessarily against the idea of having a classic playlist. I've said this countless times, but it's easy to miss that when everybody screams TROLL instead of reading my posts.

The reason I wouldn't support THIS idea is because all you need to do is take a quick glance at the kind of people it attracts.

Either the OP is unaware of the kind of people supporting it, is aware but chooses to ignore it because it strengthens his proposal, OR is secretely harboring the same feelings as these "supporters".

I don't want those kind of people anywhere near this game, and EPIC feel the same way.

That's in addition to all the points about dead playlists, lack of popularity and other valid points made by me and others here.

As consumers, we don't buy a game to mix&match the bits and pieces we like and don't like.

We take the game as a whole. If you don't like certain guns, that's fine. Demand a tweak or two.

But to demand an entire playlist without them is unacceptable. It's like spitting in the face of all the hard-working developers that made GOW3 what it's shaping up to be.

[Trendkiller]

I'm not necessarily against the idea of having a classic playlist. I've said this countless times, but it's easy to miss that when everybody screams TROLL instead of reading my posts.

The reason I wouldn't support THIS idea is because all you need to do is take a quick glance at the kind of people it attracts.

Either the OP is unaware of the kind of people supporting it, is aware but chooses to ignore it because it strengthens his proposal, OR is secretely harboring the same feelings as these "supporters".

I don't want those kind of people anywhere near this game, and EPIC feel the same way.

That's in addition to all the points about dead playlists, lack of popularity and other valid points made by me and others here.

As consumers, we don't buy a game to mix&match the bits and pieces we like and don't like.

We take the game as a whole. If you don't like certain guns, that's fine. Demand a tweak or two.

But to demand an entire playlist without them is unacceptable. It's like spitting in the face of all the hard-working developers that made GOW3 what it's shaping up to be.

I have read quite a bit of your posts, and they seem topsy turvy as far as your main points go.

As for "kinds of people", what do you mean by that? I'm assuming your referring to the gears 1 fans. I honestly don't see why you and cliffy harbor so much hate for fellow gears fans. They may not share your opinions, but they are fans of gears nonetheless, especially considering they were fans before it came time to bandwagon up to GoW2 because it was a sequel in a successful franchise. Who are you to say their opinions/requests for this game aren't just as valid as any other? The pope of gears?

Your honestly telling me you'd rather have a big chunk of people that have been talking this franchise down for years just stroll along, get a few easy kills with the OP weapons, then sell the game rather than give a better chance for it to actually have a shred of lasting power in not only the competitive community but also in the regular public community as well? Not to mention that "chance" does NOT hinder your experience in any way whatsoever? That's either being selfish or greedy, plain and simple.

Like it or not, those people are paying for the game just like you, so their opinions hold EQUAL VALUE to your own. Face it, this isn't how gears has been for the past 5 years, it didn't have one gun that just dominated everywhere, you could use any of them. Don't believe me? Watch some of the old MLG Gears of war videos. Even watch the recent ones that GCON hosted. That showed what people COULD do if they took the time to learn the other weapons. And before you try to flip that, you DON'T have to learn the retro, or the dbs. You just line em up roughly in the middle of your screen and either guarantee an instant kill or a kill trade, or spray while they hopelessly struggle then go down. You have to learn the gnasher, hence why people complained about it for so long. It has a learning curve.


Lack of popularity? The poll is 80% IN FAVOR. If it was as unpopular as your say, why wouldn't it at LEAST be even?

Not sure where you got a "dead playlist" argument from. Find it and I guarantee I'll have a response for it.

As consumers participating in a BETA, we have our God given right to give Epic the feedback THEY ASKED FOR. If a big chunk of people want this, why not take a week out of their time to make their fans happy by programming this in? Honestly, it doesn't negatively effect anyone's experience. If anything, it IMPROVES it because it allows everyone to play the gears 3 THEY WANT TO PLAY. Don't want to play like that? Well, guess what. You won't have to! Amazing, ain't it? This is a COMPROMISE, where everybody wins, and no weapons need nerfed in the process. Why can't people get that? Are you guys even reading the OP and thinking about it? Or just reading the title and assuming it's another "make this game gears 1 version 2" thread. Heads up man, it's not one of those.


If anything we are PRAISING the developers, considering we don't want to go back to the older games, we want this one to be all it can be. Just because we want a playlist that doesn't include the easy kill crutch guns doesn't mean we will never go back and occasionally play the other playlists. I just don't want to be forced into dealing with it round after round, after 5 years of "adapting", it's getting old. If they still have time to add what would be a HUGE feature for a ton of their fans, why not do it? It's not like they wouldn't be able to advertise the fact that they did it anyway. That makes it win-win-win.


Why does gears have to be "taken as a whole", especially when they are going out of their way to appease the casual crowd anyway? In other INCREDIBLY successful games that do that they do in fact have playlists with different variants of the same game modes. Have you heard anyone complain about how Halo's mlg playlist is a "dead playlist"? No. Have you heard anyone say how CoD's hardcore playlist is a "dead playlist"? NO. Both are actually praised for giving the players options. To each his own.


I love just about everything about Gears 3, and I would hate to see not only myself, but a huge chunk of this game's both current, new, and oldschool crowd disappointed and turned off due to the developers only catering to one particular party. This let's them make EVERYONE happy, how do you still not get that? I pre-ordered this game the day I had the cash in good faith, and I have faith Epic will make the right call for everyone, not just the people who seem to change their opinions the moment Epic changes theirs.



Sorry about the wall of text, but I had to get that out of my system. I want the BEST gears 3 for EVERYONE, not just myself or the blindly loyal fans, and I'm sure Epic does at heart as well.

Keepin the faith until I hear otherwise

[Dark Borrelnoot]

But to demand an entire playlist without them is unacceptable. It's like spitting in the face of all the hard-working developers that made GOW3 what it's shaping up to be.

I agree it is a bit rude. But also game developers can make mistakes, like Gow 2.. I love all games. But if a lot of people wan't old fashioned shotty battles, why not?

[TRELON]

@Trendkiller

Not quoting the whole thing because of space, but just wanted to say thanks for the reply.

There are a lot of things which you said that I take to heart and I'm sure many other people do.

But unfortunately, people like you are in the minority of the supporters of this thread.

Most people's support stems from the idea that "gears 3 is a piece of crap". That's it. That's how far the reasoning behind them supporting a playlist like this goes.

What I understood from your post is that you like GOW3 but would support a classic playlist just for a change of style and gameplay if you get bored from GOW3.

I'm on board with that, 100%.

But this is not the kind of support this proposal is getting. This is something the OP has to try and disuade people from and make it crystal clear that this isn't the reasoning behind this proposal.

"I hate GOW3" and "this will be a rental for me if it doesn't change" are quite frankly not good enough.

[kruci]

why would they make a shotty fest mode again, when they have gears 1 or 2
Wow more than 500 voted yes, that must be the majority of all the 5 or 6 or 7 million copies

[MaxamisLeonidas]

I don't support this idea as much as the next guy, but dude...It's a video game...

all im saying is that why would they make a mode that already exists as gears of war 1....they want it to be like 1 then go play 1, just sayin

[SuBxSteDz]

This is the best post i have seen that regards not having to play with little tramps tha use stupid over powered weapons, well done Renegade_X.

[VelvetyMudkip]

I'm all for this, I'd love to have a nostalgic Gears 1 Execution/Warzone mode, 4v4 with 5 second stand ups. Gears 3 is awesome, this would be a great way to experience a different strategy.

[TRELON]

This is the best post i have seen that regards not having to play with little tramps tha use stupid over powered weapons, well done Renegade_X.

I'm all for this, I'd love to have a nostalgic Gears 1 Execution/Warzone mode, 4v4 with 5 second stand ups. Gears 3 is awesome, this would be a great way to experience a different strategy.

Hey Trendkiller! This is exactly what I meant in my earlier post.

[OverKill]

Since this idea is virtually dead, why don't you guys rally your efforts for securing an MLG playlist?

That's something that has REAL support, REAL significance and REAL gameplay differences.

And don't tell me "we need to wait for MLG to release the settings".

Wait, then.

CliffyB actually wanted to talk to an MLG pro so it has a REAL chance.

whether you call it MLG or competitive or classic it's all the same thing to me

the thread could use a name change or more details, but too many times when you call something "MLG" it will attract the haters of that institution

hopefully some settings can get ironed out though and a playlist variant will come from it

[Punk Grenadier]

Hey Trendkiller! This is exactly what I meant in my earlier post.

I read your earlier post. Just because someone wants it to be 4v4 with a quicker bleed out doesn't mean they want it to be Gears 1. He also says he would enjoy it for nostalgia sake. He didn't say he wants it because he hates Gears 3. I'm sensing you have a vendetta against this playlist for some reason. I'm not sure why though.

I actually enjoy Gears 3. I didn't enjoy 2 at all. A classic playlist would be a nice addition to Gears 3. It would add more things to play. There are literally no legitimate downsides to it.

So what if it even attracts people who don't like how Gears 3 is turning out? Epic will sell those people copies by including this playlist when if it wasn't included those people wouldn't have bought it at all. That sounds pretty Win Win to me.

A playlist that doesn't have the newcomer weapons (Rod himself said the DBS was put in for the newcomers) would be awesome. There's no disrespect in saying, "Hey Epic, could the people who don't want to play with people who just abuse the newcomer weapons have a playlist?"

[D4RKERTH4NBL4CK]

500 people+ out of how many millions of players? Not saying it shouldn't be an option if they find the time, but the people against these weapons are most certainly in the minority judging by how they are the two most popular weapons in the game itself.

If they are able to do it then by all means, as long as it's not at the expense of anything else.

[King Ohg]

500 people+ out of how many millions of players? Not saying it shouldn't be an option if they find the time, but the people against these weapons are most certainly in the minority judging by how they are the two most popular weapons in the game itself.

If they are able to do it then by all means, as long as it's not at the expense of anything else.

Completely agree. I don't mind it as long as it's not at the expense of polishing off what they already have.

[Punk Grenadier]

Completely agree. I don't mind it as long as it's not at the expense of polishing off what they already have.

Technically, this could even be released as a patch in the future.

[HiGH DeaTH RaTE]

all im saying is that why would they make a mode that already exists as gears of war 1....they want it to be like 1 then go play 1, just sayin

Why would a game company want their fans to continue to play a game they already paid for, only because a mode they love isn't in a new game. When they can add the mode to a new released game and get this fan to pay an additional $60+ for DLCs.

[Punk Grenadier]

Exactly because at the end of the day Epic is business and business's first thought is Money..., this brings money, must be something we the regular people aren't seeing here.

That's the only reason you can't get mad at Epic for making the game more casual friendly. The thing is, if you choose to make the game for more of the casual crowd, you're gaining revenue from them but losing it from the hardcore. That's why if there's some sort of playlist that caters to the hardcore while the casual can still play the regular modes you maximize profit.

Why would a game company want their fans to continue to play a game they already paid for, only because a mode they love isn't in a new game. When they can add the mode to a new released game and get this fan to pay an additional $60+ for DLCs.

That is a great question. Cliffy B isn't thinking about Gears of War as a business when he makes ludicrous statements like just play Gears 1.

[TRELON]

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First of all, I wasn't addressing you.

Second of all, I was just pointing out the difference of opinion between supporters of this thread.

How you failed to comprehend this having truly read my previous post is beyond me.

[Nonoru]

No post from Cliff yet ? I'm surprised.

[Punk Grenadier]

First of all, I wasn't addressing you.

Second of all, I was just pointing out the difference of opinion between supporters of this thread.

How you failed to comprehend this having truly read my previous post is beyond me.

I understand your post. I don't understand how any type of support is bad support. Does the support of someone who won't buy Gears 3 unless this mode is included not mean as much as the support as someone who is already going to buy Gears 3 with or without it?

[Nonoru]

Why does it surprise you? the last time he signed on was in like 2009 lmao.

The admins can still connect while being offline.

I would like more opinions on this from epic.

[Harro]

Great idea. Just sayin'.

[sloppybottomz]

The admins can still connect while being offline.

I would like more opinions on this from epic.

U won't get a response from clif because he doesn't care if we want and old school playlist or not, he wants us to play what he decides to put in the game. Without team swat I wouldn't have bought halo reach, without this I will not buy gears 3

[KiNGCupas3o5]

without this I will not buy gears 3

So that's one not buying out of 500,000 people buying. Your not Threatening anyone. I'm just saying. Or take the 600 supporting this, I'll even drop to total I'll give you 600 people not buying gears3 out of 100,000.

See the math, just saying.

[sloppybottomz]

Ur right I wasn't threatening anyone, and I don't care who doesn't buy the game because of this playlist not being there. Buy it play it enjoy it, it's just not gears to me

[Revelatiion]

Yes please, since they got rid of Annex and Guardian surely there is space for one more gametype.

i think king of the hill is basicly annex...

[sloppybottomz]

Most inconsistent game ever

[IDeadWork]

Ur right I wasn't threatening anyone, and I don't care who doesn't buy the game because of this playlist not being there. Buy it play it enjoy it, it's just not gears to me

come september I bet you buy the game ... just saying. Not having a playlist taking out loadout weapons you dont even have to choose if you dont want? thats just lame.

[Camoking48]

sloppy you can also play horde 2.0, beast mode, 4 player story and arcade mode.