In GoW3 there are 2 guns not designed to help gameplay, but rather to award cheap easy kills to new players with little to no effort. This was caused because new gamers that were used to going 16-3 in their first game of CoD or halo got frustrated because Gears took more skill than that. The guns has learning curves, and most of the new players were far too lazy to take the time out to learn them.
Then, in GoW2 Epic gave them a crutch to help them stand up with the addition of stopping power and eventually hardaim spread changes. Even with all of that, the new players still weren't satisfied. They were and are still too lazy to learn the game, so they either refused to buy it or complained endlessly here.
Then we have GoW3. The Retro and the DBS are so much stronger than the other guns it's unreal. Sure the other guns take more skill to use, because they actually retained a level of a learning curve, but when people are so diehard about their K/D ratios and W/L ratios, that's when people start using these crutches for every situation. To newer gamers, what's the point in using a weapon I won't be instantly good with? To Veteran gamers who are getting beat and want to take a cheap way out, they will use these overpowered guns as a shortcut to snatching victory away from those more deserving.
Neither gun requires any type of tactics/practice, or well, to be blunt, aiming either. Both are equally as accurate if not more accurate when you walk around hipfiring like it's CoD or Halo. I never thought I'd see the day Epic would stoop to this level to make a quick buck, but hey, I guess that's the business world. There are no heros anymore, there are only people out to make as much money as humanly possible, and only show concern when it comes time to shell out some paid for DLC. But that's every company anymore, so I can't blame Epic for that. I just hope they don't go the way of activision for Gears 3 and charge 1200 points for 4 maps, or go the way of EA/WB and start forcing people to buy online passes if they didn't buy it new.
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argument wouldn't work, considering the gears 1 hammerburst was a burst fire pick-up weapon. It's absolutely nothing like the original in any way, other than the name and fact the locust still carry it. Would love to see a re-appearence of the Retro hammerburst that gives you a damage boost when shooting anyone with a retro or dbs equipped
Wouldn't mind the new one in an old school playlist though, as the gun is balanced with the lancer so perfectly, and is a good but not overpoweringly dominate mid range rifle.
It's more capable of being abused than a gears 1 host's gnasher. Just wait until retail when all the K/D whores get on and figure this out. You will have NOTHING but close range hipfire plancer battles for the power weapons, and people will proceed to drop the shotgun and either hold the weapons, or attempt to use them, then resume hipfire plancering.
And before you even try to tell me to "engage them from a distance", just give it up. If you hate the shotgun this much you should know full well just how hard it is to keep an enemy at a distance without a team. Otherwise you wouldn't have complained about the gnasher for nearly 5 years straight, amiright?
Gears will eventually devolve into a CQC game no matter which gametype you pick outside of warzone, and even then it's rare to find a warzone game that even half the rounds end from kills across the map.
Epic has a good four months. Programming this shouldn't be a problem.
I voted "yes", but I wouldn't mind the Retro being in it (since the main problem is really the Sawed Off).
Realistically though, Epic isn't going to make an old-school playlist.
We're screwed unless we all just do custom matches (which I'm not into personally).
Needless assumptions at the end there, very classy
It's not like they have to make an entire new coding from scratch, it's a varient. Disable retro and dbs (possibly hammerburst, idc about this one), decide if they feel like changing any swaps to just use the older weapons or not, and your good to go. Playlist done. Half of that is already coded since it's an option in private matches. (which don't have matchmaking btw, so that's not really a viable alternative)
If you were referring to the MLG playlist request as well, that one gets even easier. Execution only, 4v4 (they've coded it in gears 2, can't be that hard), spawn with lancer/gnasher combo only, and swap the weapons around. Done.
Neither of these ideas should take more than a fraction of the 4+ months Epic has left to develop this game, and would appease thousands of fans for years to come. I can say that in good faith for both playlists, considering how even to this day people are still finding out about this thread and posting their opinion, so you know not everybody has had a chance to support it, and take the MLG playlist's popularity on other games such as halo for instance.
Neither takes that much time considering you aren't changing ANYTHING about the core game, but just what weapons that players can/can't use.
I rather them focus on stuff like this then Holiday surprises like bunny heads even though I enjoy that stuff I just want a Gears game I can enjoy, last time that happened was in back 2007 before Gears 1 turned into a s***fest of quitters and people only wanting the sniper.
It's like requesting one ice cream that will be served to everyone and people asking for different topping such as, nuts, caramel, cherry, marshmallows, etc. Rather than just giving everyone the option to enjoy their ice cream with whatever flavors and their heart desires. Also just because one day you wanted strawberry doesn't mean you don't want to mix it up with chocolate on others.
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Since this idea is virtually dead, why don't you guys rally your efforts for securing an MLG playlist?
That's something that has REAL support, REAL significance and REAL gameplay differences.
And don't tell me "we need to wait for MLG to release the settings".
CliffyB actually wanted to talk to an MLG pro so it has a REAL chance.
Oh, and with mugen on our side we've surely won.
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Mugen's not a dev, he's just a gamer like us. While it's safe to assume his opinion may carry more weight than the casual fan on here, Epic is going to do what they feel like in the end. A moderator voted no, didn't close the thread or dismiss it, but just voiced their opinion. Joe Graf didn't dismiss the idea, if there was no chance he would have by now.
I agree that the MLG playlist should come first, but this is essentially the middleground between the two. By no means is this necessary if they do decide to incorporate the MLG style varient into a playlist, but if they have the time it wouldn't hurt anything. If they end up doing neither though, I can pretty much guarantee anyone who wants any type of competitive value in this game won't touch the Plancerfest that ranked will become. They will just stick to small, segregated groups of private matches, which will become boring fast due to seeing the same faces constantly and pretty much knowing what your opponent is going to do after a while :/
Just wondering, why are you so adamantly against this idea? Does the idea of not having so many non-plancer users in your games scare you, or do you just really like playing devil's advocate. Because I see no way in which this easily accomplishable idea would hurt anyone's playing experience.
The reason I wouldn't support THIS idea is because all you need to do is take a quick glance at the kind of people it attracts.
Either the OP is unaware of the kind of people supporting it, is aware but chooses to ignore it because it strengthens his proposal, OR is secretely harboring the same feelings as these "supporters".
I don't want those kind of people anywhere near this game, and EPIC feel the same way.
That's in addition to all the points about dead playlists, lack of popularity and other valid points made by me and others here.
As consumers, we don't buy a game to mix&match the bits and pieces we like and don't like.
We take the game as a whole. If you don't like certain guns, that's fine. Demand a tweak or two.
But to demand an entire playlist without them is unacceptable. It's like spitting in the face of all the hard-working developers that made GOW3 what it's shaping up to be.
As for "kinds of people", what do you mean by that? I'm assuming your referring to the gears 1 fans. I honestly don't see why you and cliffy harbor so much hate for fellow gears fans. They may not share your opinions, but they are fans of gears nonetheless, especially considering they were fans before it came time to bandwagon up to GoW2 because it was a sequel in a successful franchise. Who are you to say their opinions/requests for this game aren't just as valid as any other? The pope of gears?
Your honestly telling me you'd rather have a big chunk of people that have been talking this franchise down for years just stroll along, get a few easy kills with the OP weapons, then sell the game rather than give a better chance for it to actually have a shred of lasting power in not only the competitive community but also in the regular public community as well? Not to mention that "chance" does NOT hinder your experience in any way whatsoever? That's either being selfish or greedy, plain and simple.
Like it or not, those people are paying for the game just like you, so their opinions hold EQUAL VALUE to your own. Face it, this isn't how gears has been for the past 5 years, it didn't have one gun that just dominated everywhere, you could use any of them. Don't believe me? Watch some of the old MLG Gears of war videos. Even watch the recent ones that GCON hosted. That showed what people COULD do if they took the time to learn the other weapons. And before you try to flip that, you DON'T have to learn the retro, or the dbs. You just line em up roughly in the middle of your screen and either guarantee an instant kill or a kill trade, or spray while they hopelessly struggle then go down. You have to learn the gnasher, hence why people complained about it for so long. It has a learning curve.
Lack of popularity? The poll is 80% IN FAVOR. If it was as unpopular as your say, why wouldn't it at LEAST be even?
Not sure where you got a "dead playlist" argument from. Find it and I guarantee I'll have a response for it.
As consumers participating in a BETA, we have our God given right to give Epic the feedback THEY ASKED FOR. If a big chunk of people want this, why not take a week out of their time to make their fans happy by programming this in? Honestly, it doesn't negatively effect anyone's experience. If anything, it IMPROVES it because it allows everyone to play the gears 3 THEY WANT TO PLAY. Don't want to play like that? Well, guess what. You won't have to! Amazing, ain't it? This is a COMPROMISE, where everybody wins, and no weapons need nerfed in the process. Why can't people get that? Are you guys even reading the OP and thinking about it? Or just reading the title and assuming it's another "make this game gears 1 version 2" thread. Heads up man, it's not one of those.
If anything we are PRAISING the developers, considering we don't want to go back to the older games, we want this one to be all it can be. Just because we want a playlist that doesn't include the easy kill crutch guns doesn't mean we will never go back and occasionally play the other playlists. I just don't want to be forced into dealing with it round after round, after 5 years of "adapting", it's getting old. If they still have time to add what would be a HUGE feature for a ton of their fans, why not do it? It's not like they wouldn't be able to advertise the fact that they did it anyway. That makes it win-win-win.
Why does gears have to be "taken as a whole", especially when they are going out of their way to appease the casual crowd anyway? In other INCREDIBLY successful games that do that they do in fact have playlists with different variants of the same game modes. Have you heard anyone complain about how Halo's mlg playlist is a "dead playlist"? No. Have you heard anyone say how CoD's hardcore playlist is a "dead playlist"? NO. Both are actually praised for giving the players options. To each his own.
I love just about everything about Gears 3, and I would hate to see not only myself, but a huge chunk of this game's both current, new, and oldschool crowd disappointed and turned off due to the developers only catering to one particular party. This let's them make EVERYONE happy, how do you still not get that? I pre-ordered this game the day I had the cash in good faith, and I have faith Epic will make the right call for everyone, not just the people who seem to change their opinions the moment Epic changes theirs.
Sorry about the wall of text, but I had to get that out of my system. I want the BEST gears 3 for EVERYONE, not just myself or the blindly loyal fans, and I'm sure Epic does at heart as well.
Keepin the faith until I hear otherwise
Not quoting the whole thing because of space, but just wanted to say thanks for the reply.
There are a lot of things which you said that I take to heart and I'm sure many other people do.
But unfortunately, people like you are in the minority of the supporters of this thread.
Most people's support stems from the idea that "gears 3 is a piece of crap". That's it. That's how far the reasoning behind them supporting a playlist like this goes.
What I understood from your post is that you like GOW3 but would support a classic playlist just for a change of style and gameplay if you get bored from GOW3.
I'm on board with that, 100%.
But this is not the kind of support this proposal is getting. This is something the OP has to try and disuade people from and make it crystal clear that this isn't the reasoning behind this proposal.
"I hate GOW3" and "this will be a rental for me if it doesn't change" are quite frankly not good enough.
why would they make a shotty fest mode again, when they have gears 1 or 2
Wow more than 500 voted yes, that must be the majority of all the 5 or 6 or 7 million copies
This is the best post i have seen that regards not having to play with little tramps tha use stupid over powered weapons, well done Renegade_X.
I'm all for this, I'd love to have a nostalgic Gears 1 Execution/Warzone mode, 4v4 with 5 second stand ups. Gears 3 is awesome, this would be a great way to experience a different strategy.
the thread could use a name change or more details, but too many times when you call something "MLG" it will attract the haters of that institution
hopefully some settings can get ironed out though and a playlist variant will come from it
I actually enjoy Gears 3. I didn't enjoy 2 at all. A classic playlist would be a nice addition to Gears 3. It would add more things to play. There are literally no legitimate downsides to it.
So what if it even attracts people who don't like how Gears 3 is turning out? Epic will sell those people copies by including this playlist when if it wasn't included those people wouldn't have bought it at all. That sounds pretty Win Win to me.
A playlist that doesn't have the newcomer weapons (Rod himself said the DBS was put in for the newcomers) would be awesome. There's no disrespect in saying, "Hey Epic, could the people who don't want to play with people who just abuse the newcomer weapons have a playlist?"
500 people+ out of how many millions of players? Not saying it shouldn't be an option if they find the time, but the people against these weapons are most certainly in the minority judging by how they are the two most popular weapons in the game itself.
If they are able to do it then by all means, as long as it's not at the expense of anything else.
That is a great question. Cliffy B isn't thinking about Gears of War as a business when he makes ludicrous statements like just play Gears 1.
No post from Cliff yet ? I'm surprised.
Ur right I wasn't threatening anyone, and I don't care who doesn't buy the game because of this playlist not being there. Buy it play it enjoy it, it's just not gears to me
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