Killstealing... why does this still exist?

[TheDeadHaveRisen]

You guys fixed it in gears 2, so when you downed someone and someone else jacked it, you still got the kill... why go back to making it easier for ppl to level by profiting from other peoples work by enabling it again?

[Twitch z]

You guys fixed it in gears 2, so when you downed someone and someone else jacked it, you still got the kill... why go back to making it easier for ppl to level by profiting from other peoples work by enabling it again?

No they didn't if u down someone in gears 2 and someone else shoots him he still gets the kill that's black ops that does what your talking about.

[TheDeadHaveRisen]

No they didn't if u down someone in gears 2 and someone else shoots him he still gets the kill that's black ops that does what your talking about.

I may be wrong, but I doubt it, even still... the question remains, why does kill stealing exist. its a mechanic for the weak minded... why allow it to continue?

[Twitch z]

I may be wrong, but I doubt it, even still... the question remains, why does kill stealing exist. its a mechanic for the weak minded... why allow it to continue?

I still play gears 2 and I get my kills stolen all the time you can still do it.

[TheDeadHaveRisen]

weather or not they actually fixed it is moot. the fact remains that its only used by people who are too lazy/stupid to get their own.... so why encourage it?

[Chimpangee]

I think the downer should get the kill and stealer should get the assist...

[nospimi99]

I may be wrong, but I doubt it, even still... the question remains, why does kill stealing exist. its a mechanic for the weak minded... why allow it to continue?

Honestly? Did you confuse Gears 2 with Black ops? Sad. I'm a 100 legit, so I know for a 100 percent fact that you don't get your kills. You clearly didn't play gears that much if you didn't even realize that. I agree it's sad people take kills and it's a good idea that they should put that it.

[Ashy Larry]

I may be wrong, but I doubt it, even still... the question remains, why does kill stealing exist. its a mechanic for the weak minded... why allow it to continue?

1. you are wrong

2. this isn't a real issue. when you shoot someone you are awarded with a DOWN. because that is what you did. when you go up to the person and kill him. you get a kill. simple enough, no?

[Knipping12]

I may be wrong, but I doubt it,

Wow. Just f***ing wow. The arrogance is overwhelming. These forums have really gone to ****.

[girl poison]

There's a ribbon called "Stop Thief!" that you are awarded for having five of your kills stolen in a row. If they "fixed kill stealing", as you call it, you wouldn't be able to get this ribbon. Stop complaining and earn something out of it.

[TheDeadHaveRisen]

There's a ribbon called "Stop Thief!" that you are awarded for having five of your kills stolen in a row. If they "fixed kill stealing", as you call it, you wouldn't be able to get this ribbon. Stop complaining and earn something out of it.

lol, I'd rather have the kills than a ribbon that might as well say "better luck next time"

[GRAMPA MURKED U]

There's a ribbon called "Stop Thief!" that you are awarded for having five of your kills stolen in a row. If they "fixed kill stealing", as you call it, you wouldn't be able to get this ribbon. Stop complaining and earn something out of it.

Stupid post of the day ribbon goes to........ lol

[FF Retalliation xX]

This is a very two sided arguement with the issue being that as a down only contributes to na extended period of stun rather than a certain death bar revive like in previous warzone rules, a down is no longer really a kill. while at the same time kill stealing can get to the point where it is just petty and pointless.

In my view the only viable solution is to compramise, from experience i know a kill steal gets you 10 pioints, maybe more if you use excecutions. so why not employ a points based rating system whereby if you have done sufficient prior damage before the down to gain over a net points you can be credited with the final kill if you take it, but if you dont get over the net points, the person who got the down gets credited with the kill.

That is my solution anyway.

[xRaW Corupt AIx]

Who cares about a ribbon. He's right just make it to where when someone takes your down it counts towards you and they get an assist.

[girl poison]

Who cares about a ribbon. He's right just make it to where when someone takes your down it counts towards you and they get an assist.

Who cares about a KDR? That's what this is about, right? Exactly. It's a stupid little number that everyone is entirely too concerned about.

There will be more kills, I promise you.

[xRaW Corupt AIx]

Who cares about a KDR? That's what this is about, right? Exactly. It's a stupid little number that everyone is entirely too concerned about.

There will be more kills, I promise you.

No its not about KDR It's about unlocks. Im sick of downing people with retro lancer and getting it stolen. Also A lot of people care about KDR and obviously epic knows this since the game has such extensive stat tracking.

[TheDeadHaveRisen]

Who cares about a KDR? That's what this is about, right? Exactly. It's a stupid little number that everyone is entirely too concerned about.

There will be more kills, I promise you.

I honestly don't care about my K/D ratio, it is and always will be about the actual kills. If I go through the trouble of bringing this guy down, I shouldn't have to worry about some ***hat coming up and stealing it because he doesnt feel like doing the work himself.

[BABABABENNETT]

Who cares about a KDR? That's what this is about, right? Exactly. It's a stupid little number that everyone is entirely too concerned about.

There will be more kills, I promise you.

no its about getting what you rightfully earned and not letting some jackass who didnt help down the guy at all obviously go out of his way to steal your kill

[CitizenSnips]

Who cares about a KDR? That's what this is about, right? Exactly. It's a stupid little number that everyone is entirely too concerned about.

There will be more kills, I promise you.

Not about KDR.

If you worked your ass off for 2 weeks for your check and I came in to fill in for you for one day, but I'd take your two weeks pay, you'd be pretty upset.

Same **** here, If you put up the work to down him, then you should get the kill. Your down, your kill.

Why it's still in the game is just ludicrous. Epic has literally no reason as to why it's still in the game.

[dusperz]

Who cares about a KDR? That's what this is about, right? Exactly. It's a stupid little number that everyone is entirely too concerned about.

There will be more kills, I promise you.

Do you even realize how frustrating it is to actually see that Ribbon pop up at the end of a game knowing the reason was because some dbag followed you around all game to do it on purpose?

I'm not out to boast about my internet shlong numbers with k/d ratio, but I am not having a good time when someone follows me around to not help me kill someone and waits for me to down someone so they can steal it.

Why would YOU care if they changed it to the person who downs will get the kill if someone tries to steal it? Let me guess most of your "kills" come from jibbing other peoples hard work that they are contributing to the team, yet you think it's "team work" to take away their contribution.

Kill stealing is stupid. Trying to defend it in anyway makes me question your sanity as a human being. It's like if you became a pro boxer and went to the final round against Ali, then this pathetic low life comes in and sucker punches him just as you were about to win the heavy weight title, and instead they give the glory to this random dingle berry. That's what it feels like to me. I don't mind my team mate getting assist points for when I down someone, because I AM a team player, but the fact is most people aren't taking your downs to help you in anyway----they are trying to help themselves.

If that point can't be made apparent to you, or the people at EPIC, then you need to reread this post 9000 times till it might start to burn into your head. Or let me follow you for 9000 games and let me steal all your downs.

[ommmnomnomnom]

Who cares about a KDR? That's what this is about, right? Exactly. It's a stupid little number that everyone is entirely too concerned about.

There will be more kills, I promise you.

Truer words were never spoken! Killstealing can be annoying, but hey at the end of the day, it is a game that is meant to be enjoyed, and like ^^^said above its only a number

[KamakazeTaco]

Truer words were never spoken! Killstealing can be annoying, but hey at the end of the day, it is a game that is meant to be enjoyed, and like ^^^said above its only a number

If its just a number then why get a kill at all? I'm willing to bet when you play and down someone you go kill them and probably do your favorite execution because its fun to watch. But its just a pointless number, why not down the guy then simply walk away?

I know, come play the beta with me. I'll follow you around and kill the guys you down for you. That way you don't have to deal with silly numbers.

[CitizenSnips]

Truer words were never spoken! Killstealing can be annoying, but hey at the end of the day, it is a game that is meant to be enjoyed, and like ^^^said above its only a number

Not enjoying it when people take my kill. I'd rather put the work in someone and have someone poach it then just blatantly snatch my kill. People can scream about K/D all the time, but I generally want MY kills. When I'm playing alone, I work in a way that allows me to not rely on my teammates all that much. But things happen, I won't always get to my kill, nor will i always be in a position to finish him off, so just if someone kills him for me, I'll get the kill and they'll get the assist.


MY K/D will always be higher, so I don't care. It's the principal of the thing. IF you feel like it's only a number, then down people and just let your teammates have every kill.

[Jamstar2000]

Who cares about a KDR? That's what this is about, right? Exactly. It's a stupid little number that everyone is entirely too concerned about.
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Well....I do and theirs nothing to hide about me caring for it

but then again in outher peoples defence most players who rob kills don't value their lives a much which is why theirs still negative (hence why most people let their leader die when people played guardian in gears 2 alot) and i saw another post that sumone put on here that a player will risk their own life to run into open fire to get that kill on the floor is a example to my statement

Like im a support player not a slayer, im not supposed to care if i cant get someone from a distance when im lancering (thats my job), that's fair enuff but if some one that i downed right in front of my face and someone takes it is kinda frustrating and lame at the same time, also you can tell because the person who has the most kills doest have the most points in the team and isn't on top of the scoreboard

[chris-b-w]

Who cares about a KDR?

I don't. But when i'm trying to unlock the gold lancer and people keep stealing my kills after I get people down it's very annoying.
They definitely need to do what treyarch did and swap it around so if you get a down and somebody finsihes them,then you get awarded the kill.

[Mofo n Stuff]

Who cares about a ribbon. He's right just make it to where when someone takes your down it counts towards you and they get an assist.

Perfect solution.

[girl poison]

No its not about KDR It's about unlocks. Im sick of downing people with retro lancer and getting it stolen. Also A lot of people care about KDR and obviously epic knows this since the game has such extensive stat tracking.

You have until the 15th to unlock all of the things that are permanently awarded to your account and will transfer to the retail version of the game. I'm sure you'll get 100 kills with the retro Lancer by then.

Perfect solution.

A better solution is to play with a full team and use "take your downs" rules than to incorporate an idea that isn't logically sound. If I'm beating someone to death with their own arm, the dude next to me shouldn't get the kill tally only because he downed him. It just doesn't make sense.

And by this method, people will be poaching your downs instead of kills because it's the same thing with a new name. What's the next idea- give the kill to the person who shot at him first? It'll never work.

[TheDeadHaveRisen]

You have until the 15th to unlock all of the things that are permanently awarded to your account and will transfer to the retail version of the game. I'm sure you'll get 100 kills with the retro Lancer by then.



A better solution is to play with a full team and use "take your downs" rules than to incorporate an idea that isn't logically sound. If I'm beating someone to death with their own arm, the dude next to me shouldn't get the kill tally only because he downed him. It just doesn't make sense.

And by this method, people will be poaching your downs instead of kills because it's the same thing with a new name. What's the next idea- give the kill to the person who shot at him first? It'll never work.

we're more referring to the full game. I'm sure I'll have all the unlocks that carry over to the retail, regardless of how many times my kills are stolen. That's not the point, the point is that it shouldnt be in the retail game (ie: the version that matters)

also I'm less referring to executions than to those who wait for you to downsomeone and then run by with a shotgun while you reload and steal it. if the guy who downed it is out of range or dead, thats one thing, if the guy is perfectly able to take the kill if not for this idiot who does nothing but ringo other people's kills, thats something else.

[xRaW Corupt AIx]

You have until the 15th to unlock all of the things that are permanently awarded to your account and will transfer to the retail version of the game. I'm sure you'll get 100 kills with the retro Lancer by then.



A better solution is to play with a full team and use "take your downs" rules than to incorporate an idea that isn't logically sound. If I'm beating someone to death with their own arm, the dude next to me shouldn't get the kill tally only because he downed him. It just doesn't make sense.

And by this method, people will be poaching your downs instead of kills because it's the same thing with a new name. What's the next idea- give the kill to the person who shot at him first? It'll never work.

It already does work. CoD implemented this system and it works perfectly. People already poach kills now. It's amazing how many times I've downed somebody at range and had someone on my team run through enemy fire just to get my down. It's astounding.

[Sameer599]

You have until the 15th to unlock all of the things that are permanently awarded to your account and will transfer to the retail version of the game. I'm sure you'll get 100 kills with the retro Lancer by then.



A better solution is to play with a full team and use "take your downs" rules than to incorporate an idea that isn't logically sound. If I'm beating someone to death with their own arm, the dude next to me shouldn't get the kill tally only because he downed him. It just doesn't make sense.

And by this method, people will be poaching your downs instead of kills because it's the same thing with a new name. What's the next idea- give the kill to the person who shot at him first? It'll never work.

That is the best response to kill stealing I have read, good job.

[a3HeadedMonkey]

Who cares about a ribbon. He's right just make it to where when someone takes your down it counts towards you and they get an assist.

This!

There's not much in Black Ops that I'd like to see implemented in this game, but this is definitely one thing. As well as a "Mercenary" style playlist for random teams in all game modes.

[SFBloodBrother]

The way to fix this is to give the person who downed the person the kill. And the person who killed him should get an assist. Problem solved.

[uselessbackup]

The way to fix this is to give the person who downed the person the kill. And the person who killed him should get an assist. Problem solved.

That sounds good to me

[TheDeadHaveRisen]

The way to fix this is to give the person who downed the person the kill. And the person who killed him should get an assist. Problem solved.

yep. simple, concise

[K4NSAS]

The way to fix this is to give the person who downed the person the kill. And the person who killed him should get an assist. Problem solved.

If only epic thought like you...

[Kabob]

The way to fix this is to give the person who downed the person the kill. And the person who killed him should get an assist. Problem solved.

Agreed, this would do it. Although the flip side is that if you and the enemy are both down a greedy guy will let you sit there and camp the downed enemy until he gets back up, then shotgun him.

[RoboSeal1]

I think ppl need to respect kills but they dont sadly

MAYBE there should be a disclaimer GEARS IS A TEAM BASED GAME U GET MOR XP FOR TEAMWORK RESPECT OTHERS KILLS

[girl poison]

Just to clarify I'm not defending kill stealing in any way- I bet I've raged harder than all of you and broken several ear drums because the one guy that we didn't go into the game with came around the corner and took my down, giving me a +100 point assist- I'm just tired of the same threads over and over again with ridiculous ideas that either a) solve one problem and create a new one (i.e. giving the kill to the person who earned the down) or b) ruining the game play (some people have suggested that no one is able to take their down but them or adding a 2-second wait to allowing friendlies to kill off your down).

Kill stealing happens in every shooter. In Halo, it's the guy who comes up and puts one shot on the guy you've been fighting and he gets the kill. In COD, it's the guy who shoots your opponent you put into Last Stand. It happens. Get over it and start fighting the next guy. There will be more kills.

[xRaW Corupt AIx]

Just to clarify I'm not defending kill stealing in any way- I bet I've raged harder than all of you and broken several ear drums because the one guy that we didn't go into the game with came around the corner and took my down, giving me a +100 point assist- I'm just tired of the same threads over and over again with ridiculous ideas that either a) solve one problem and create a new one (i.e. giving the kill to the person who earned the down) or b) ruining the game play (some people have suggested that no one is able to take their down but them or adding a 2-second wait to allowing friendlies to kill off your down).

Kill stealing happens in every shooter. In Halo, it's the guy who comes up and puts one shot on the guy you've been fighting and he gets the kill. In COD, it's the guy who shoots your opponent you put into Last Stand. It happens. Get over it and start fighting the next guy. There will be more kills.

Automatically attributing your down as kill for you in no way ruins anything. Please explain to me what difference it would make if the game just gave you the kill if someone else on your team killed them after you downed them.

[girl poison]

Automatically attributing your down as kill for you in no way ruins anything. Please explain to me what difference it would make if the game just gave you the kill if someone else on your team killed them after you downed them.

That's not what I'm talking about. I'm referring to the people who have come here and actually suggested that a) to fix kill stealing, no one should be able to kill off my down except for me (an older suggestion pre-beta) and b) to fix kill stealing, my team mates should not be able to kill my down for at least two seconds (which gives the downed player time to crawl away, self revive, wait for back up/cross fire or a team mate's revival)- a recent suggestion floating around in a thread on this section of the forum as we speak.

For what you are describing- which is, if I get the down and someone finishes him off, I am still awarded the kill- there is only one problem created relevant to game play. That problem is that it doesn't really fix anything and causes people to poach your downs. I can sit back, wait for you to put a guy one shot, and shoot two pistol bullets into him and get the down. Then you're going to start screaming "YOU TOOK MY KILL" because if you or anyone else kills him, I'm going to get the kill. The other issue it brings up, while not related to game play, is that it doesn't make any sense. And I will use this example again- if I'm beating a guy to death with his own arm, it isn't logically sound that my team mate next to me (who originally got the down) is awarded the kill. I know none of you care about that, but I certainly do.