Make Ledges Work (300+ Supporters)

[I Love U Jesus]

Bugs associated with ledges is a minor issue that nevertheless has not received the attention I believe it may need. Interaction with ledges should be efficient and intuitive rather than troublesome and inconsistent.

When players attempt to go up or down ledges such a basic maneuver and common use of the cover system should be successful more often, or even in all cases. Assuming the mantle or roll was sufficient to properly interact with the cover, the mantle or roll needn't be repeated multiple times, as is often the case.

This problem is only enhanced by lag, and in my experience seems to occur more often when attempting to roll at an angle. With multi-directional rolling, this aspect of the problem seems to be enhanced.

I have literally attempted to climb up particular ledges six times or even more. Lag or not, I don't think that should ever happen. Dealing with this can and has led to my untimely multiplayer demise, but this isn't merely a personal crusade against this "rubber-banding" issue associated with ledges. It can affect anyone randomly at any time; it doesn't seem to require a large amount of lag.


Possible Criticisms

Uh, try rolling off the ledges?

That's what this thread is about. It doesn't work all the time and personally I think the matter should receive some attention if possible for an even more polished game.

If you don't like Gears/the cover system...

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Obviously I care about Gears and love its cover system or I wouldn't post a thread about a minor issue.

This isn't a big enough problem to worry about.

If there is time for polish, then I would like this to be addressed as I see it largely unanswered. Though I have run into the problem less in the Beta, it is still happening far too often.

Dedicated servers will fix this problem.

This may be a legitimate point, but there are always concerns that those living farther from the servers may still sometimes lag. I have also pointed out my fear that it doesn't require that much lag anyway.

Since the release of the Beta, I have confirmed that ledges are still malfunctioning on both servers and P2P matches.

This can be attributed mostly to user error.

No, it can't. In my opinion at least, no matter how many times I press the A button, I shouldn't keep repeating an animation that should be completed after one attempt no matter what.

My main goal is simply to draw attention to the subject in hopes that these bugs will be carefully resolved. Let's hear from Epic!


Not that it is strictly speaking necessary, but I will be adding pictures of the ledges in the Beta soon.

[I Love U Jesus]

For those who may think this issue is not widespread, simply take into account the fact that there are ledges on all of these maps:

Allfathers Garden
Canals
Day One
Mansion
Subway
Tyro Station
Fuel Depot
Under Hill
War Machine
Way Station
Nowhere
Fuel Station

The ones I consider the "worst offenders" are in bold.

Here are some visual examples:
Nowhere:
[img=http://cdne.gearsofwar.xbox.com/Handlers/GOW2Handler.ashx?mode=-1&id=AA6411C9141D2D534647]
Subway:
[img=http://cdne.gearsofwar.xbox.com/Handlers/GOW2Handler.ashx?mode=-1&id=CE145671141D2D51544A]
Tyro Station:
[img=http://cdne.gearsofwar.xbox.com/Handlers/GOW2Handler.ashx?mode=-1&id=62849EB9141D2D4F624D]
^^^Note that messing up here means the train will kill you.
Under Hill:
[img=http://cdne.gearsofwar.xbox.com/Handlers/GOW2Handler.ashx?mode=-1&id=E0D40968141D2D4B7E53]
War Machine:
[img=http://cdne.gearsofwar.xbox.com/Handlers/GOW2Handler.ashx?mode=-1&id=7124E810141D2D498C56]
^^^These ramps create mini-ledges that are imo even worse

[CommanderRown]

I completely agree. It's been prevalent over both Gears games.

For example, if you try to climb up into the trailer for the power weapon, you usually fall back down and lose the always-fun power weapon race. GRRRR.

They worked in Gears 1 but not in 2, why?

I think this happened in both games...I remember this in the scenario I listed above.

[I Love U Jesus]

For example, if you try to climb up into the trailer for the power weapon, you usually fall back down and lose the always-fun power weapon race. GRRRR.




I think this happened in both games...I remember this in the scenario I listed above.

Lol the trailers on Fuel Depot are precisely what I was thinking about when I wrote this, as well as the two little ones in the warehouse.

[I Love U Jesus]

I think this happened in both games...I remember this in the scenario I listed above.

They worked in Gears 1 but not in 2, why?

In my experience this happened in both games, but sometimes I can see why it might feel like it happens more in 2.

[III Deity]

They certainly need to fix the cover system in this game. At times, you are stuck on a corner or wall and cannot move. Sometimes, you can't even dive off of it. I've had cases where it had even got me killed.

Hopefully, I won't see these cover based problems, as well as the down glitch.

[CommanderRown]

They certainly need to fix the cover system in this game. At times, you are stuck on a corner or wall and cannot move. Sometimes, you can't even dive off of it. I've had cases where it had even got me killed.

Hopefully, I won't see these cover based problems, as well as the down glitch.

....Down glitch?

[III Deity]

....Down glitch?

Well yeah, that's what I call it. The player goes down but in everyone else's screen, he's walking slowly. In the player's screen, he's down and crawling. He can never get up or be revived. He can also be shot from long distances and killed, even if its Execution.

[CommanderRown]

Well yeah, that's what I call it. The player goes down but in everyone else's screen, he's walking slowly. In the player's screen, he's down and crawling. He can never get up or be revived. He can also be shot from long distances and killed, even if its Execution.

OOOOOH RIGHT! Yeah, that is strange. Does that have anything to do with the cover system though?

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[haloandgearsFTW]

For those who may think this issue is not widespread, simply take into account the fact that there are ledges on all of these maps:

Allfathers Garden
Canals
Mansion
Subway
Tyro Station
Fuel Depot
Under Hill
War Machine
Way Station
Nowhere

The ones I consider the "worst offenders" are in bold.

Here are some visual examples:
Nowhere:
[img=http://cdne.gearsofwar.xbox.com/Handlers/GOW2Handler.ashx?mode=-1&id=AA6411C9141D2D534647]
Subway:
[img=http://cdne.gearsofwar.xbox.com/Handlers/GOW2Handler.ashx?mode=-1&id=CE145671141D2D51544A]
Tyro Station:
[img=http://cdne.gearsofwar.xbox.com/Handlers/GOW2Handler.ashx?mode=-1&id=62849EB9141D2D4F624D]
^^^Note that messing up here means the train will kill you.
Under Hill:
[img=http://cdne.gearsofwar.xbox.com/Handlers/GOW2Handler.ashx?mode=-1&id=E0D40968141D2D4B7E53]
War Machine:
[img=http://cdne.gearsofwar.xbox.com/Handlers/GOW2Handler.ashx?mode=-1&id=7124E810141D2D498C56]
^^^These ramps create mini-ledges that are imo even worse

100% agree. Just this morning, I was playing Horde on Subway and died 4 or 5 time due to ledge-related glitches.

[Hooligunn]

Yeah, this is a minor pinprick the next to flawless cover system of Gears 2. With the extra polish time they have for Gears 3, hopefully this will be one of the fixed minor niggles (if they haven't fixed it already!)

[Crimson TideAOC]

Yeah, this is a minor pinprick the next to flawless cover system of Gears 2. With the extra polish time they have for Gears 3, hopefully this will be one of the fixed minor niggles (if they haven't fixed it already!)

minor pin prick? the cover system is sometimes a little crazy and broken

[I Love U Jesus]

looks like a rant against ledges, oh wait no, its a reason why cover movement doesnt always work right, exactly what your complaining about me just writing, hypocrite.

Woah bud, didn't mean it like that. Just meant you should condense it into a few manageable ideas.

[Crimson TideAOC]

Woah bud, didn't mean it like that. Just meant you should condense it into a few manageable ideas.

oki i see your point, and i do agree with OP, it happens and it should be fixed

(removed angry me from previous post)

[III Deity]

OOOOOH RIGHT! Yeah, that is strange. Does that have anything to do with the cover system though?

(5000TH POST!!!!!)

It usually happens when someone is sliding into cover.

[mugen 828]

Yeah, this is a minor pinprick the next to flawless cover system of Gears 2. With the extra polish time they have for Gears 3, hopefully this will be one of the fixed minor niggles (if they haven't fixed it already!)

I hope you are right.....but just in case., this thread was needed.
I have flown into some deep dark abyss TWO times on fuel dpot's trucks.


I don't know who designed the mantles to get in that damn truck, but I have flown into the map twice in the past two months for no damn reason. I mantle on the side or font, then have to DOUBLE mantle....then bam I fly into the floor.....then I die.....but it says my death didn't count?

This cover system is better, way better, than gears 1. But it is not "next to flawless".....I would never say that about a cover system that has a damn glitch where you can swap your view which enables you to shoot through walls.....I mean wtf.

[Sych0n0ught]

Oh, so this is what that was. I just thought it was lag... Hits me a few times. Not often though.

[-Raven-]

I agree, but hopefully this time around some of the cover tweaks and fixes will include this.

[Skilled]

I hope this gets fixed. It is annoying

[meatman]

Yes! I hate how on some ledges you do this clunky drop motion, while on others you smoothly roll over them.

[I Love U Jesus]

I agree, but hopefully this time around some of the cover tweaks and fixes will include this.

Yeah, that's the idea. I just want the devs to be aware we want this addressed.

[DenyThisFlesh]

The ledges are more than a minor issue IMO. They are something that needs to be addressed. I have less problems with ledges in Gears 1, but there were plenty of strange things that happened with them on there as well.

[Addnan]

Good thread.

I have had nightmares about Canals and Warmachine. The cover on those two maps are evil.

[XXL Chalupa]

man those interior ledges on fuel depot are the worst. whether im trying to grab the Hammer and make a stealthy escape or blasting people doing the same i cant get where i need to go with any kind of expected results... except for me getting dead or missing out on kills because of the ledges

that is all

[InFlamesWeTrust]

yeah i want the ledges to actually work.

[Riff]

I agree with OP, and I also like how you just roflstomp the more nonsensical arguments against it. It's awesome.

[InFlamesWeTrust]

Good thread.

I have had nightmares about Canals and Warmachine. The cover on those two maps are evil.

i think tyrostation is worse as if it doesnt work it can get you killed.

[I Love U Jesus]

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[HyiX]

from what i noticed this happens when there is a small amount of lag, but i think it has more to do with the way the A button is mashed during these incidents.

hear me out here...
you hit the A button to slide into cover, you then are hitting it again immediately to get over the cover.
now with the small amount of lag it may not distinguish you hitting the button twice, it may just register once and on your xbox you're jumping over, but the hosts you're still sitting in cover, so it brings you back.

so if that's the case it may not be easy to fix if its based solely on the connection and ping responses... then again im not a programmer...

[TheMofologist]

I hate the auto-mantles! Also the weapon pick-up-roll-wrong-way, and sometimes two people cant take cover on "love-covers" (two man wall)

On topic- The ledges in Warmachine requires me to jump off and climb three time whether I'm on or off host.

[Deltafang]

Wow. I actually remember always having trouble rolling off the ledges in Canals in Gears 1 and I had told all my friends that it would be fixed in Gears 2. Boy did I look like a jerk when Gears 2 came out...and then Canals 2.0 came out and STILL had the same problem.

In my experience, this has happened to me a lot no matter how good the connection is. The tracks in Subway and War Machine are particularly painful to get down and occasionally takes a few tries.

Thanks for opening this thread, maybe they'll try testing rolling off the ledges in maps to see where there are bad contact points. If they don't, its up to us in the beta!

[I Love U Jesus]

from what i noticed this happens when there is a small amount of lag, but i think it has more to do with the way the A button is mashed during these incidents.

hear me out here...
you hit the A button to slide into cover, you then are hitting it again immediately to get over the cover.
now with the small amount of lag it may not distinguish you hitting the button twice, it may just register once and on your xbox you're jumping over, but the hosts you're still sitting in cover, so it brings you back.

so if that's the case it may not be easy to fix if its based solely on the connection and ping responses... then again im not a programmer...

I can see why you might think that way but the way I see it no amount of button mashing should ever make anyone float above a ledge to result in a "double mantle." This problem is not merely user error or a connection/ping issue but is (unless we are all quite mistaken) a bug that can be fixed.

[I Love U Jesus]

Get my bump on

[I Love U Jesus]

I'll bump this thread for the rest of my life if I have to

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[Nightly Savior]

I wonder what it was that happened to make all the ledges in Gears 2 be covered in industrial rubber cement....

Fix plz.

[TerrorTwilight]

Yeah, Fuel Depot is pretty bad...I'd say 9/10 times I try to pick up Torque/Snipe I have to try a few times before I can actually get in the trailer. Hopefully they'll knock out those glitches by the time GoW3 hits.

[I Love U Jesus]

^^^Hopefully they do, I don't think it would be "important" enough to fix as part of a title update, i.e. after the fact.

[lanes]

agree........

[RoboSeal1]

Ledges r a pain, why not just make them very easy to walk off? Why the delay thrn drop? I say there shouldnt even be ledges in gears 3, really whats the point of having them in war machine? Hardly ever do u need to take cover on them

[DrunkJug]

I agree 100% this is another issue that needs to be addressed in gears 3. Too many times have I been killed because I get stuck on a ledge or jump over it twice.