Should Epic port UT3 to UDK?

**very unreal** · 11-09-2009, 12:29 AM

The revised unreal engine 3 with the UDK has many nice features that UT3 lack. I think updating the game engine would significantly increase sales.

Based on other user's experience, porting ut3 content to UDK is not difficult,
from tactical assault team
"As it turns out, porting to the new UDK was relatively painless and we now have our Alpha build running independent of UT3 and in pretty good shape. And, as an added bonus, the UDK makes everything look a whole lot better!"

from the haunted team
"This version is the last release as UT3 mod.
Our next step is to port it to UDK, release a demo and evolve The Haunted into a standalone download title."

porting ut3 maps to udk
http://forums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=705999

http://forums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=707764

even ut2004 content
http://forums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=709605

so porting difficulties can be ruled out as a reason why epic will not port ut3.
so what's the rationale for those that don't want it ported over?

**Dark_stranger** · 11-09-2009, 01:11 AM

Even though it would make UT3 look Really nice, but i have a feeling it would have a very low fps for most people

**»TheHitMan«** · 11-09-2009, 01:34 AM

Why would it have a low FPS? It's just better features

**xtremexp** · 11-09-2009, 01:58 AM

that would be a good idea but:
-all maps maybe would have to be rebuilt with new engine version
-there may not be backward compatibility with old-engine based maps as well as with the networking code.

**ArcAne** · 11-09-2009, 03:21 AM

I think the only thing that would have to be re-made is the lighting properties

**marilol** · 11-09-2009, 03:23 AM

If they did it from the UDK it would require them to recode all the stuff the udk ut3 is missing, e.g. sniper rifle.

**demoniac** · 11-09-2009, 03:41 AM

Originally Posted by marilol

If they did it from the UDK it would require them to recode all the stuff the udk ut3 is missing, e.g. sniper rifle.

Your sig suggests you're a coder but what you're saying here suggests otherwise. You really think they coded all the stuff that's in UDK again? Or just removed the stuff that's not there?

Also: Who would vote "no" here? The people who still care about UT3 (me included) would of course want this, and the people who don't probably aren't on this forum :P

**Killing_Joke.jW** · 11-09-2009, 04:20 AM

Originally Posted by demoniac

Your sig suggests you're a coder but what you're saying here suggests otherwise. You really think they coded all the stuff that's in UDK again? Or just removed the stuff that's not there?

Also: Who would vote "no" here? The people who still care about UT3 (me included) would of course want this, and the people who don't probably aren't on this forum :P

All in favour Aiiiii....

**Nawrot** · 11-09-2009, 05:34 AM

I was working on new map for UT3, but after i looked into UDK i do not feel like going back to old engine. Many more mappers and coders feel same, most will start working on some gimmick mod, then realise its just too much work for their time and drop it.

This may have same result to modding community as UT204 had to ut99, we just split with many ppl leaving.

Ps. And nothing will increase sales of UT3, its old game now and not cool for masses, only die hard fans are sticking to UT, and we all have it already.

**Dark_Slayer** · 11-09-2009, 09:32 AM

It would make more sense to start at the beginning again. Make a new game with the whole ut3 content and give us all the engine updates. In addition to this more maps, chars, weapons, muts, gametypes etc. would be nice.
I know Epic said, there won't be a new ut in the next years, but I see this more as an upgrade to UT3, like UT2004 was an upgrade on UT2003.

So I voted "YES" !

**Elebril** · 11-09-2009, 10:13 AM

+ some Xbox support... show us some love pls ^^

**Nightmare85** · 11-09-2009, 10:31 AM

The guy who voted "No" should be instantly banned.
The guy who voted "Don't care" should be kicked several times.

Ok, seriously:
I doubt there will be any negative effect by updating the engine.
Let's hope that anything new (does not matter if updated engine or anything else) will come.
And even if the new features will require more cpug/gpu power, an option to turn them off would solve any problems.

Cheers!

**Lucius2** · 11-09-2009, 10:39 AM

they definitely should, but they won't.

end of story

**aka_sova** · 11-09-2009, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by Lucius2

they definitely should, but they won't.

end of story

+1...........

**DannyMcG[HOBO]** · 11-09-2009, 10:59 AM

I Say they do what they did With UT2003 & UT2004

Fix all the bugs.........Make Some new maps and bring back some game types like Assault using the New UDK and Wala it's a new Game.......kinda lol

**bclagge** · 11-09-2009, 11:01 AM

Should they? Yes.
Would I like it? Yes.
Will they? No.

Originally Posted by DannyMcG[HOBO]

Wala

FYI: Voilà

**Ga-Reef** · 11-09-2009, 11:03 AM

Updates for PC, Yes! PS3 maybe... If they behave. Xbox... Naaaaaah, forget about it.

**Rhykker** · 11-09-2009, 11:25 AM

The new lighting system would, without a doubt, wreak havoc on low-end systems like mine -- however, I'm fairly certain much of it would fall under shadows/dynamic shadows or some other form of lighting/shadow effect that could be disabled either with .ini tweaks or in-game.

So, if I can disable any effects that would cause my meager 20 FPS to sink even lower or my GPU to overheat any further, then I'll all for it. Otherwise, no thanks -- I bought a game with a given set of system requirements; to change those system requirements with a patch would make the game unplayable to some and would be cheating them out of their money.

**very unreal** · 11-09-2009, 02:35 PM

both GOW and GOW 2 are fine on Xbox360
GOW2 had the revised unreal engine, so the performance penalty probably is not that bad.

**Froooooom** · 11-09-2009, 02:59 PM

They won't do it, so I don't even bother it.
Voted YES just because I can

**unreal_man** · 11-09-2009, 04:53 PM

of course, makes the game less depressing to look at, as unreal 3 is always a depressing engine to look at, but with this light update...good has come out of it.

**Moloko** · 11-09-2009, 05:27 PM

Enough of "they won't" ,why shouldn't they update UT3's UE3 , surely they want all their games bearing the "Epic" logo to look as good as possible to potential UE3 engine licensees ,no? It's not like UT4 is due either, plus that would be a different engine(UE4) anyways.

**azurescorch** · 11-09-2009, 05:33 PM

Because epic made it clear they have no plans to update unreal3 further or to release any new UT games.

**Lucius2** · 11-09-2009, 06:19 PM

they wont update it, because its too much for the ****ty consoles. actually that should be the reason to implement it. epic is just another company nowadays which only licks the asses of console players.

**Gameslaya** · 11-09-2009, 06:58 PM

I voted no, because I think something that major will run into many problems.

We're talking about re-doing the entire game,right? (I might be wrong, but that's what it sounds like to me).

Plus, you get all those compatibility issues.

**unreal_man** · 11-09-2009, 07:04 PM

issues with consoles...**** consoles! yes for pc

**very unreal** · 11-09-2009, 07:20 PM

Originally Posted by Gameslaya

I voted no, because I think something that major will run into many problems.

We're talking about re-doing the entire game,right? (I might be wrong, but that's what it sounds like to me).

Plus, you get all those compatibility issues.

What kind of major problems?
Epic can release a patch that includes the engine updates and patch ut3's engine to the improved version.
There are ppl already porting ut3 stuff to UDK, so that's not an issue. But not the other way around. Compatibility is not a problem, since just about everybody would patch their ut3, if epic release the updates. Who would want to leave their ut3 outdated?

**The Demon Slick** · 11-09-2009, 08:00 PM

Blaming the consoles is carp. The "new" UDK is an updated rehashing of thier game engine, which they hope to sell and make money from. They used UT3 in it to demo it because it was fast and easy for them, instead of paying Epic people to make new stuff.
Also, I voted yes

**NovaZzZ** · 11-09-2009, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by Lucius2

they wont update it, because its too much for the ****ty consoles. actually that should be the reason to implement it. epic is just another company nowadays which only licks the asses of console players.

Totally right

**Thrallala** · 11-09-2009, 09:04 PM

It's probably highly unlikely but it would indeed be awesome! After trying out the new editor for a day, I feel kinda bad going back to the old one.

**jacobi289** · 11-09-2009, 09:18 PM

I would sell my soul to Epic if they pulled a UT2004 and released a UT3.5 with an updated engine and an extra gametype.

**DrUnKenSTeiN** · 11-09-2009, 09:39 PM

Voted yes(....what else?).

**Benfica** · 11-09-2009, 10:10 PM

Is the old content compatible with the new engine? Doesn't it break the modders and mappers work?

**gargorias** · 11-09-2009, 11:11 PM

Originally Posted by Benfica

Is the old content compatible with the new engine? Doesn't it break the modders and mappers work?

I'd say no it isn't, obviousy most people here have overlooked that bit!

**demoniac** · 11-10-2009, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by Thrallala

It's probably highly unlikely but it would indeed be awesome!

It's probably unlikely? Does that mean the same as that it's unlikely that it's probable? Maybe you shoulda just written that it's highly unlikely? Maybe I should go be a nazi someplace else?

**Thrallala** · 11-10-2009, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by demoniac

It's probably unlikely? Does that mean the same as that it's unlikely that it's probable? Maybe you shoulda just written that it's highly unlikely? Maybe I should go be a nazi someplace else?

Maybe you should.

**Shadow Dancer** · 11-10-2009, 07:25 AM

Originally Posted by demoniac

It's probably unlikely? Does that mean the same as that it's unlikely that it's probable? Maybe you shoulda just written that it's highly unlikely? Maybe I should go be a nazi someplace else?

It means it is highly suspected of being unlikely. Since the actual liklihood is unknown to us, we can only speculate as to the liklihood of it occuring, and that liklihood is probably not very high.

**demoniac** · 11-10-2009, 08:38 AM

Originally Posted by Shadow Dancer

It means it is highly suspected of being unlikely. Since the actual liklihood is unknown to us, we can only speculate as to the liklihood of it occuring, and that liklihood is probably not very high.

You missed my point, though xD

An unknown likelyhood is the same as a likelyhood, i.e. both indicating we don't know the outcome. Although now we're getting off topic.