How to make the melee NOT USED AS MUCH.

[Comrade John]

Widen the spread of the shotgun. then all of you shotgun lovers will get what you want, and I get what I want, a less long range shotgun. as of right now, it's nearly impossible to escape the shotgun, you try to run, but since the shotgun is so long range, they will always get you. For anyone of you who say "just learn how to wall bounce" I could just learn how to mod my controller and bridge host and lag switch, but obviously, I'm not going to. I don't want to break the game, I want to have fun.

The shotgun has been changed. it was made to be long range. I'm actually going for a change that would benefit both me, and you. It would be more effective at close range, and less effective at long range. The widened middle four pellets would make body-ing people so much easier in medium lag conditions, and it would make the shotgun have less range. The only people who should have an issue with this proposal are people who love having a long range shotgun and love meleeing people up close.

Now, I love the chainsaw, and think it's completely fair game, since the shotgun is also an instant kill at the same range the chainsaw is, but the chainsaw sucks you into an animation, while the shotgun does not. That makes it balanced when you guys claim it has a vacuum.

The melee, is another thing. It shouldn't be used as the main offensive tactic. If the shotgun was more effective at close range, there wouldn't be such a need, so I made this catchy title to get people's attention. It's called marketing. Back on topic, the melee is used more than bullets mostly because it is effective, and most times, in lag, it's more effective since the shotgun doesn't spread at close range.

tl;dr shorten the range with this spread, and you'll get less meleeing, and a more balanced game.

EDIT: this is my proposed spread change, even though I doubt any of the devs will actually look at it. http://i841.photobucket.com/albums/z...eadchanges.jpg it is the middle 4 pellets that make the shotgun as long range as it is.

[COG cannon fodder]

How in the world would reducing the Range of the shotty stop Meleeing??

[Bert Reakers]

Melee stun seems a simpler idea. Or halving the damage.

[Comrade John]

widening the spread would make it a better close range weapon than the melee, obviously. right now it pretty much shoots like this --- and if you widen the spread, you get this < .

[PreGy]

Lower the melee damage to be like the Hammer of Dawn's (3 melee to down someone, not 2).

[Gun]

Less range and gears 1 bullet spread

[Tag@gears]

im all for the close ranged shotgun.
should be indeed a close combat attack/defend weapon with a big spread.
the big spread may also funtion in "gow3?" for disabling mounted nades.

for long range we have the lancer of hammerburst,etc

[subcons]

Spreading the shot would make it weaker though. If fact, there already are shot patterns like you're referring to...

Hard Aiming = ---
Pop Shot (and to a lesser extent, Blind Fire) = <

People still melee.

Play Gears 1. That's the answer to fixing the melee.

But Epic knows this. Apparently, they like it the way it is. "It's a counter." Pfft.

[LoadedGun]

i guess the melee stun should be brought back because there was so much danger involved in missing but if this was ever implemented, im sure more people would find a fault with it. itd be way better just to remove the stun when you get hit so the 2-piece pretty much becomes useless without the stun.

[Wardog313]

Widen the spread of the shotgun. then all of you shotgun lovers will get what you want, and I get what I want, a less long range shotgun. as of right now, it's nearly impossible to escape the shotgun, you try to run, but since the shotgun is so long range, they will always get you. For anyone of you who say "just learn how to wall bounce" I could just learn how to mod my controller and bridge host and lag switch, but obviously, I'm not going to. I don't want to break the game, I want to have fun.

Dude, you need to stop. because you're a hypocrite, cause you use the chainsaw alot, just like a person who 2 piece alot. "so practice what you preach". then i will believe you

[InFeRNaL]

Widen the spread of the shotgun. then all of you shotgun lovers will get what you want, and I get what I want, a less long range shotgun. as of right now, it's nearly impossible to escape the shotgun, you try to run, but since the shotgun is so long range, they will always get you. For anyone of you who say "just learn how to wall bounce" I could just learn how to mod my controller and bridge host and lag switch, but obviously, I'm not going to. I don't want to break the game, I want to have fun.

You know, I think I have understood you wrong this whole time. I thought you meant the shotgun POWER was OP not its range. Anyways, as far as range goes, it is indeed far too powerful at medium - long ranges. We need to put in a wide bullet spread and make them disperse very quickly.

[gnxROUGE]

which is what i want.

[DenyThisFlesh]

The Gears 1 shotgun spread was perfect. The shotgun was lethal at close range, but dramatically dropped off in power once you got about 10 feet from the target.

[nismojoe]

Widen the spread of the shotgun. then all of you shotgun lovers will get what you want, and I get what I want, a less long range shotgun. as of right now, it's nearly impossible to escape the shotgun, you try to run, but since the shotgun is so long range, they will always get you. For anyone of you who say "just learn how to wall bounce" I could just learn how to mod my controller and bridge host and lag switch, but obviously, I'm not going to. I don't want to break the game, I want to have fun.

Or, remove any/all stun and reduce the melee damage to 0. 2-piece solved.

[sgt_buds]

Or instead of changing the game mechanics to suit your play style you can just stop getting within peoples melee range, no?

[nismojoe]

Or instead of changing the game mechanics to suit your play style you can just stop getting within peoples melee range, no?

Apparently you dont play against terrible hosts who wall bounce 50 times in less than 2 seconds to close the gap on you just so they can melee.

To change one person's play style? It's a shooter. Guns need to be re-introduced into Gears 2.

[Nonoru]

You would have to kill the gears community if you would like stop melee.

This or Epic who would think seriously about bringing the melee stun from Gears 1.
And remove the delay after roadie run and ADD a delay for the melee after rolling would be perfect too.

[Glass Casket]

everything is changed to be fitted with EPICS idea of tactical....which suites me but a lot of people i know are still in the mind frame of gears of war 1 which does not help them in this game due to the stopping power.

i mean as they say if its not broke then dont try to fix it. that's how MW2 will probably play the same since for some reason that is a popular game.

i like GOW2 but annex seems pointless sometimes since its the opposite of tactical, but on gears of war 1 it was heart racing.

[sgt_buds]

Apparently you dont play against terrible hosts who wall bounce 50 times in less than 2 seconds to close the gap on you just so they can melee.

To change one person's play style? It's a shooter. Guns need to be re-introduced into Gears 2.

If it is laggy, than that isn't a melee problem its a lag problem, and changing the melee function won't fix that.

And yes, its obviously a shooter so shoot at the guy. if you see him bouncing at you, jump backwards. Don't stand there and try and hold your ground if you have terrible lag.
Thats a very specific scenario you bring up to complain about the melee.

[nismojoe]

everything is changed to be fitted with EPICS idea of tactical....which suites me but a lot of people i know are still in the mind frame of gears of war 1 which does not help them in this game due to the stopping power.

i mean as they say if its not broke then dont try to fix it. that's how MW2 will probably play the same since for some reason that is a popular game.

i like GOW2 but annex seems pointless sometimes since its the opposite of tactical, but on gears of war 1 it was heart racing.

Unfortunately their idea of tactical has ruined the online scene.

The customer is always right. Gears 3 sales will not compare to Gears 1 or 2 because of Epic's blatant disregard of what the fans want.

Anyone who buys Gears 3 is an idiot.

[nismojoe]

If it is laggy, than that isn't a melee problem its a lag problem, and changing the melee function won't fix that.

And yes, its obviously a shooter so shoot at the guy. if you see him bouncing at you, jump backwards. Don't stand there and try and hold your ground if you have terrible lag.
Thats a very specific scenario you bring up to complain about the melee.

Jumping away from him just gives him a clean shot at me and the shotgun does alot of damage even at range. I prefer not to give my opponent a free shot at me.

[Dormiglione]

Just improve the Hit detection of the bullets so that bullets have the same reliability as the melee. Then you will see how fast more and more people begin to rely on the bullets and not on the melee

[oOausarOo]

I seriously wonder if they are going to implement hand to hand combat moves in GoW3. It seems this game seems to be moving away from being a shooter.

[Carpathian]

All the game really needs is CSHD for the shotgun. because it still has bullet lag for whatever unfathomable reason, very often the person's melee (which does have CSHD) knocks you back before you can shoot.

[Comrade John]

I really love how much people didn't really read my post, and just came up with their own ideas. It doesn't have to be too wide, just more so than what it is. because right now, it's ridiculously long range.

I want it more horizontally spread than what it is, possibly more vertically, but that's not really necessary to make it have less range, but I think that making it less vertically would make it better at close range. here's a picture. I fail at paint, so please forgive me.

Widen the spread!

[Mclov7N]

, it's nearly impossible to escape the shotgun,

Ahh just wallbounce.

[Comrade John]

Ahh just wallbounce.

lol. you're a funny guy.

[Mclov7N]

lol. you're a funny guy.

It had to be said lol.

[sgt_buds]

Jumping away from him just gives him a clean shot at me and the shotgun does alot of damage even at range. I prefer not to give my opponent a free shot at me.

Sounds to me like you just want to be invinsible. There are scenarios where you are going to die, if you bounce back and get shot shoot back!

I see your issue right in the post, you want to be within arms reach, having a blindfire shotty battle, and anything else is unacceptable.

[Jessica]

Don't exactly know how that's going to stop melee, but just bring back the old melee system and the old shotgun. Nobody asked for these changes to begin with.

[nismojoe]

Sounds to me like you just want to be invinsible. There are scenarios where you are going to die, if you bounce back and get shot shoot back!

I see your issue right in the post, you want to be within arms reach, having a blindfire shotty battle, and anything else is unacceptable.

I hardly use the shotty, nor do I prefer to be close to my opponents because of the ridiculous amount of people who melee.

[Comrade John]

Don't exactly know how that's going to stop melee, but just bring back the old melee system and the old shotgun. Nobody asked for these changes to begin with.

they wanted to make a better more tactical game, that's why, but they made the mistake of making the shotgun more long range, which it shouldn't be. shotgun should only be used if you get rushed or you are rushing. not for shooting a guy down from more than ten feet away. (which is what people do)

also, this is more a thread on the shotgun than it is the melee, because fixing the shotgun to be more close range would stop you guys complaining about the melee so much.

ps, the way to avoid the melee is to keep the **** away from people. It should be the same with the shotgun, but alas, it isn't so.

[Jessica]

they wanted to make a better more tactical game, that's why, but they made the mistake of making the shotgun more long range, which it shouldn't be. shotgun should only be used if you get rushed or you are rushing. not for shooting a guy down from more than ten feet away. (which is what people do)

also, this is more a thread on the shotgun than it is the melee, because fixing the shotgun to be more close range would stop you guys complaining about the melee so much.

ps, the way to avoid the melee is to keep the **** away from people. It should be the same with the shotgun, but alas, it isn't so.

To be honest, Epic has done nothing to make there game more tactical. Melee is too powerful and they need to give some disadvantage into using it like all other forms of weapons in this game. It should be a counter, but not a weapon capable of killing you so effectively, that's what the chainsaw is for, but I'm not going to get into that. As for range with the shotgun, I agree it is ridiculous, but lowering the range will nerf it even more, which is why the should just bring back the old shotty. Lowered range, lowered strength, but consistent overall. No weird power boosts for aiming your weapon in a different fashion, just a normal shotgun that overall, does the job it was meant to do. Is that so hard to ask for Epic, really?

[Silenoz666]

Or just bring back the melee stun and you can keep complaining how the shotgun is "so long range". In the same mode of thinking, why is the Hammerburst "so close range"? Seriously, it destroys up close.

And yeah, when I learned to wall-bounce/strafe, I definitely also learned how to mod, glitch and cheat. Those things are all definitely in the same league. Wow.

[Torn Order]

I dont understand how making shotgun less accurate makes melee stop.

[TerrorTwilight]

IT'S FINE, and I'm NEVER host (bad firewall). And go ahead and bridge, I'll still wreck you. I've made the host quit 10 times in the last 3 days (new record lol).

Arrogant much? I'm sure it is just you, and you alone, that makes the host quit. You must be THAT good!

[TerrorTwilight]

Or just bring back the melee stun and you can keep complaining how the shotgun is "so long range". In the same mode of thinking, why is the Hammerburst "so close range"? Seriously, it destroys up close.

And yeah, when I learned to wall-bounce/strafe, I definitely also learned how to mod, glitch and cheat. Those things are all definitely in the same league. Wow.

Any gun should "destroy" up close, did you actually think before you typed that?

[oOausarOo]

they wanted to make a better more tactical game...

...and overcompensated.

[BAZ89]

How about reduce the lagg then it will be alot riskier to attempt.

[Glass Casket]

does anyone here wanna win a GOLDEN ELBOW code i still have?

would look great with the 2 piece.