RAAM vs Skorge?

[Beezy8669]

I like both but I wish they wud bring in more of Skorge's story like they did Raam

[Croswynd]

Why so arrogant? People are still commenting on here consistently...

I am "arrogant", as you put it, because it is a bit old, even if it was posted on during the beginnings of the month, which doesn't exactly bother me. But, the fact that he posted such a small, reason less post irks me. If one is going to resurrect a thread, one should give a well thought out post, not "i like dis one".

I would hope this would spur him to giving more of a reason and add to the discussion rather than just being present.

[Charging Admission]

RAAM came from a rough background, having to fight for his position. Not sure what Skorge did yet, but he definitely isn't even near as cool as Raam. They tried making Skorge look cool by giving him that staff, but he didn't carry around a 400 pound turret and command an army of flesh hungry Kryll. Plus RAAM killed off multiple main characters in the story.
RAAM is Douglas MacArthur, Skorge is the pope.

[Blankets]

Skorge for the win.

[Menacing Wolf]

Skorge for sure. Skorge is sooooo much more nimble than Raam. Plus hes got that sweet chainsaw thingy that he cuts apart tanks with. I'd love to Raam's sword try and cut apart a Centaur tank =)

[toast]

just saying RAAMS armor is chainsaw proof

[HighMushroom]

RAAM beacause he has the Kryll wich would shread skorge.

[Trashball Cole]

On a political standpoint, Skorge clearly holds more power:
-He's the Queen's bodyguard
-Head of the Kantus priests.
-Has the power to control the Riftworm.

Although, I personally like RAAM.

[Locust_Forever]

As said before... Skorge COULD have been much more, but his shining moment got messed up with button mashing. He is about as tall as raam, his staff deflect bullets so that trokia isntmuch, Raam his bullet proof as well so kill that gun battle talk. Now they both have rides so thats out the picture. Really if people just be real about it instead of who likes who, then it will be a tie. Or the fight will BARELY go one way or another. Im pretty sure in the throne room skorge and raam use to argue but respect eachother. Now you want to know who I want to seeinaction that everyone think cant fight but will kick the most ass on the low... the queen. She didnt just appear one day. Oh yes.

[Guu-sama]

RAAM all the way !!

[lewisnic1]

On a political standpoint, Skorge clearly holds more power:
-He's the Queen's bodyguard
-Head of the Kantus priests.
-Has the power to control the Riftworm.

Although, I personally like RAAM.

Actually RAAM holds more power.

• He was the original bodyguard of the Queen until his death.
• He can control the Kryll.
• He holds the Trokia with one arm.
• Kills Kim with one arm. (When stabbing him)
• Bullets don't harm him. (shown in RAAM's Shadow)

[lewisnic1]

As said before... Skorge COULD have been much more, but his shining moment got messed up with button mashing. He is about as tall as raam, his staff deflect bullets so that trokia isntmuch, Raam his bullet proof as well so kill that gun battle talk. Now they both have rides so thats out the picture. Really if people just be real about it instead of who likes who, then it will be a tie. Or the fight will BARELY go one way or another. Im pretty sure in the throne room skorge and raam use to argue but respect eachother. Now you want to know who I want to seeinaction that everyone think cant fight but will kick the most ass on the low... the queen. She didnt just appear one day. Oh yes.

Actually Skorge is 7ft and RAAM is 10ft (in RAAM's Shadow it shows that RAAM towers over the Boomers)

[Dark Infinity 1]

All I have to say about Skorge is if anyone else used the chainsaw that much you know what he would be labeled. Just because he's a boss, doesn't change that fact.

RAAM hands down.

On a side note it made me smile that this thread is still alive.

[N1ssassa]

FOR REAL. Skorge is a tough guy to fight, but to be completely honest, who was harder to kill? RAAM or Skorge? RAAM was almost impossible for me to defeat. SUCH a hard battle. In addition, if you've played the RAAM's Shadow DLC, RAAM is solely responsible for the locusts advances in military tactics and strategy, and they started fighting and organizing themselves in ways never before seen, when he started commanding their forces. I'm guessing he was a general in battle against the Lambent before being transfered to the human front, since he's not exactly a baby, and first showed up in the fight on the surface at least 10 years after the beginning of the war, according to RAAM's shadow. He's always been my favorite locust anyway, I was SO bummed when GoW3 didn't have him as a playable multiplayer character. But then they released him

[Locust_Forever]

Soooo you're telling me Skorge didn't take the army to knew heights also? The man was sinking WHOLE CITIES!! And I admit that I am a RAAM fan hands down, I am just saying Skorge isn't the pushover the game made him out to be.

[N1ssassa]

Skorge wasn't sinking whole cities you goober. The worm was. That's like saying a snake charmer is super badass because they can play and move a flute, or a cd player is really really hardcore because it can lul a baby to sleep with soft music. RAAM held a TROIKA in one hand, and a giant dagger in the other. He's also 10 feet tall, has chainsaw-proof armor because Kim grinded his saw on RAAM pretty hard to NO avail, and has the ultimate advantage of the Kryll. Let's be real here: the cutting the tank in half thing doesn't fit in with the laws of physics, OR the scale to which Skorge is made. If he has chainsaws that cut through tanks, why didn't he go right through your chainsaw when you duel him? And how the hell did a little chainsaw that size, cut a TANK in one swipe? Did the staff part magically phase through the part the blade wasn't on like a lightsaber? No. That cutscene was silly. AWESOME, but silly. His chainsaws would be useless, because of RAAM's armor. They're the only advantage he has. He would be eaten by the Kryll at the onset of this duel. Game over. Even without Kryll, he'd get troika'd the hell down.

[lewisnic1]

Skorge wasn't sinking whole cities you goober. The worm was. That's like saying a snake charmer is super badass because they can play and move a flute, or a cd player is really really hardcore because it can lul a baby to sleep with soft music. RAAM held a TROIKA in one hand, and a giant dagger in the other. He's also 10 feet tall, has chainsaw-proof armor because Kim grinded his saw on RAAM pretty hard to NO avail, and has the ultimate advantage of the Kryll. Let's be real here: the cutting the tank in half thing doesn't fit in with the laws of physics, OR the scale to which Skorge is made. If he has chainsaws that cut through tanks, why didn't he go right through your chainsaw when you duel him? And how the hell did a little chainsaw that size, cut a TANK in one swipe? Did the staff part magically phase through the part the blade wasn't on like a lightsaber? No. That cutscene was silly. AWESOME, but silly. His chainsaws would be useless, because of RAAM's armor. They're the only advantage he has. He would be eaten by the Kryll at the onset of this duel. Game over. Even without Kryll, he'd get troika'd the hell down.

But why would Skorge and RAAM fight each other when there both Locust?

[Guu-sama]

But why would Skorge and RAAM fight each other when there both Locust?

fighting for the top spot under Myrrah of course

[lewisnic1]

fighting for the top spot under Myrrah of course

Well when RAAM died Skorge was then put in charge so there was never no fighting. It was always going to be RAAM but Skorge was just a replacement.

[Locust_Forever]

Skorge wasn't sinking whole cities you goober. The worm was. That's like saying a snake charmer is super badass because they can play and move a flute, or a cd player is really really hardcore because it can lul a baby to sleep with soft music. RAAM held a TROIKA in one hand, and a giant dagger in the other. He's also 10 feet tall, has chainsaw-proof armor because Kim grinded his saw on RAAM pretty hard to NO avail, and has the ultimate advantage of the Kryll. Let's be real here: the cutting the tank in half thing doesn't fit in with the laws of physics, OR the scale to which Skorge is made. If he has chainsaws that cut through tanks, why didn't he go right through your chainsaw when you duel him? And how the hell did a little chainsaw that size, cut a TANK in one swipe? Did the staff part magically phase through the part the blade wasn't on like a lightsaber? No. That cutscene was silly. AWESOME, but silly. His chainsaws would be useless, because of RAAM's armor. They're the only advantage he has. He would be eaten by the Kryll at the onset of this duel. Game over. Even without Kryll, he'd get troika'd the hell down.

Why be so egg headed I got all 3 gears. I knowthe worm did it, but skorge control the worm as raam control the kryll. I swear i said skorge deflect bullets so the gun battle beenout the window.

[Locust_Forever]

Well when RAAM died Skorge was then put in charge so there was never no fighting. It was always going to be RAAM but Skorge was just a replacement.

actually i was writing a story shorty before eday. Skorge is telling the queen to focus on the lambants below while raam is the one saying the humans would be the easy target. The queen is torn through more than half the story. The kantus wont fight the humans as long as they dont try to attack the hollow (no kanti in gow1), my story also goes into the workings of the hallow, raam is a super bad ass, skorge is a bad ass and well, i will let the queen talk for herself when i release it.

[N1ssassa]

Fan fiction isn't Gears canon, it doesn't matter what you say. That doesn't suddenly decide this argument. Skorge controlling the worm and RAAM controlling the Kryll are totally different things. It's pretty likely that any Kantus could control the worm. The only reason Skorge does is because he's chief Kantus. RAAM was a normal Theron at one point, and was SO badass that even the ****ing Kryll obey him, while they'll eat any other locust as evidenced in Gears 1. And Skorge might be able to deflect bullets, or he might not, but let's see him deflect a Kryllstorm. If he was somehow able to use the Riftworm as a weapon, Raam would just have his Kryll eat it. And they could easily, as many of tthem as there are. If he could pretty much vaporize a human in less than a second with the small number of Kryll that make up his shield, think about if he mobilized all the Kryll against the worm. It would be gone in moments.

[N1ssassa]

And we've seen Skorge deflect a small amount of lancer bullets, pretty sure everyone can agree that's a bit different from a Troika. Also, if you look at the actually 3d model of his chainsaw staff as it's shown in the special content DVD in the Gears 2 limited edition, which I have, you'll see that there's gaping holes between the blades. It's not a solid piece of metal in the middle of the oval shape the blades make. It's a little bar in the very middle, some ornately molded metal near the tip, but the rest is completely open. How do you block bullets with the air between your blades? Someone said in the first 15 pages that I'm not going to go back and hunt down that Skorge is just a bs villain in general. Nothing about him really adds up. OH HE CUT A TANK IN HALF. Yeah, but to do that, his staff's handle would've had to do most of the cutting. And if he could do that, and had the strength to do that, why couldn't he just overpower Marcus in a chainsaw duel, as RAAM would have no problem. We're comparing a guy who couldn't defeat Marcus Fenix in melee combat to a guy who effortlessly moves trucks aside with a kick and wielded a 400 pound troika as if it were a Boltok.

[Locust_Forever]

People keep coming at me like I'm not a RAAM fan. And no if Skorge called the worm, no amount of flying creatures will stop him from eating RAAM, I don't want to even hear it. And once again I AM A RAAM FAN, HELL I VOTED FOR HIM. What I am saying is people keep acting as if Skorge is nothing at all. Who said all Kantus can call the worm? Don't remember that. I swear Skorge can close the distance between him and WHATEVER weapon. RAAM would beat Skorge, but not as easy as everyone makes out. OAN: If Epic made this a movie in it self they would make more millions. RAAM vs Skorge... I would die to see it in animation.

[xKiLL ZoNEx]

I think Skorge is the best IMO. Great character, strong, and has a double chainsaw staff.

[N1ssassa]

I apologize, didn't realize you were a RAAM fan. But my statement that fan fiction does not settle anything still stands. And honestly, they wouldn't be arguing anyway because they're a hive mind. The Queen controls and speaks to them all directly, as evidenced by her telepathically communicating with RAAM giving him direct commands. She sees through them and controls them. Maybe not hands on ALL the time, and I'm sure they have some creative processes, but they live to do her bidding. Skorge is NOT as fast as everyone makes him out to be. He's obviously not all that strong if he couldn't overpower Marcus. People keep saying OH HE'S STRONG. No he's not. The ONLY time we saw him block bullets was in the tank cutter scene, unless I'm misremembering, and that scene is filled with all sorts of things that completely defy physics and despite Epic's goal to root everything in some sort of reality. I completely discount everything that happened in that scene from my reasoning for how a battle between these two would go. Where does it say that he is the ONLY Kantus able to control the worm? He is just a normal Kantus with better weapons and a different headdress. If you had the Gears 2 limited edition, you'd see Chris Perna and Cliff both state that. There's really nothing special about him. He is literally the EXACT same character model as all other Kanti, dressed up differently. On top of that, RAAM is MUCH taller. It's like saying Dom would beat Cole in a fight because he's faster. Just silly.

[N1ssassa]

As far as the worm eating RAAM, eating him wouldn't kill him anymore than it killed Delta. And the Kryll WOULD eat the hell out of that worm in minutes. RAAM would be inside, they'd eat the worm, and RAAM*would be standing there with nothing around him but a Kryllstorm when they were done.

[Locust_Forever]

As far as the worm eating RAAM, eating him wouldn't kill him anymore than it killed Delta. And the Kryll WOULD eat the hell out of that worm in minutes. RAAM would be inside, they'd eat the worm, and RAAM*would be standing there with nothing around him but a Kryllstorm when they were done.

if it was that easy the locust would have won the war. RAAM would come out at night and rid the world of humans in days not years.

[N1ssassa]

Thus why they inked out the sky in RAAM's Shadow to destroy that city. There's too many sources of light to just go in at night. And then there would be no game. But the Kryll are capable of depopulating entire cities. They destroy everything. That's why Baird and Cole were talking about how they needed to be evac'ed before dark when they were rescued by Delta in Gears 1, and Marcus said, "So?" Because he'd been in prison too long to know what Kryll were. But they are a HUGE threat. Have you played the RAAM's shadow dlc? It'll show you just how huge of a threat the Kryll are. Another thing: the Rift Worm is basically a locust weapon. The Queen gives Skorge authority over the Rift Worm. The kryll were a species hostile to anything alive, be it locust or human. RAAM is such an intense badass mofo that the kryll submit to his will and command, even though they'll attack anything else. That in itself shows how much tougher he is than Skorge.

[N1ssassa]

Also, mind telling me how to follow or subscribe to threads? I'm new to the forum and forums in general and have no idea how

[DragonzZilla]

Let's just STOP and call it a DRAW. Everyone goes home happy and plays some Guardian... OK?

[Locust_Forever]

Yes I have the dlc... Im a RAAM fan. And the worm sink entire cities, so its nothing to laugh at. And i dont know about the thread thing. And the kryll was weaponized to, just like all animals under locust control. But as I said Im a RAAM fan, just dont like people skorge bashing all the time.

[Locust_Forever]

Let's just STOP and call it a DRAW. Everyone goes home happy and plays some Guardian... OK?

i like this conversation personally he isnt rude, just stating things. Oh yeah GT IlluminatiChild I play RAAM Shadow alot, and i am pretty bad ass at horde.

[N1ssassa]

I agree, it's nice to be able to talk to someone without them getting angry and offensive. I don't think the kryll have really been weaponized, not deliberately at least. Remember in Gears 1, during the level where you must travel from the stranded camp to get that guy's junker, the kryll would kill the locust if they ventured into the light also. RAAM is the only one who can control them. I think they were more than likely an underground predator anyway, and when the hollow was opened up they started venturing above ground. A lot of things in the Gears universe don't make a lot of sense, though. Because like you said, if the kryll are the overwhelming force that they're shown to be in certain levels of Gears 1, and in RAAM's Shadow, how is ANYTHING still alive anywhere on Sera other than RAAM? How did Marcus not starve to death in his prison cell if all the other prisoners and everyone else there was long gone? How does Skorge cut through a tank with a 1 to 2 foot long chain saw blade in one stroke? Some things we have to let go as pure video game silliness. I agree that Skorge was cool, but he had SO much more potential as a boss, and was kind of squandered. I really don't think he would deserve his own DLC as some people have voiced, because he simply wasn't very dominant. He was kind of a punk, as far as the gameplay with him involved goes.

[N1ssassa]

I'm at work now, I'll add you when I get home. I've been going through Gears 1 campaign, if you'd like to join me I'd love the company. I'll probably play through Gears 2 campaign afterward, I'm trying to make it through on hardcore first, but I'm thinking about trying Insane for 2. My gamertag is the same as my username here.

[N1ssassa]

Wouldn't you know my internet's out now.

[dragonblood]

well fighting the skorge was kinda hard lol my favorite is raam but ill go with the skorge he's pretty bad***

[BLUGeneralRAAM]

"So in other words if Skorge got near RAAM and RAAM got a hold of him, RAAM would probably put him in his place "

Keep in mind that Skorge is a better close range fighter than RAAM. I agree with all the things you have said up until now. Skorge would most definately kill RAAM in a one-on-one, close range battle. There is no doubt about that.

You do realize that RAAM's armor is chainsawproof, right? Plus he's too tall for Skorge to reach his head. Coupled with his sword, Skorge = Wet Noodle. And RAAM's Reaver fires Kryll grenades, and is protected by them. Plus Skorge isn't so fast that if he got close to RAAM, RAAM couldn't grab him. Skorge can't go lightspeed! Plus Skorge has 2 Gorgons, which are close range guns. RAAM has a goddamn troika, which can practically snipe from across the arena!

[SKORGE]

You do realize that RAAM's armor is chainsawproof, right? Plus he's too tall for Skorge to reach his head. Coupled with his sword, Skorge = Wet Noodle. And RAAM's Reaver fires Kryll grenades, and is protected by them. Plus Skorge isn't so fast that if he got close to RAAM, RAAM couldn't grab him. Skorge can't go lightspeed! Plus Skorge has 2 Gorgons, which are close range guns. RAAM has a goddamn troika, which can practically snipe from across the arena!

Contrary to the name, I like the Theron-class more than the Kantus.

However, hands down in a battle that requires speed and movement, Skorge will defeat RAAM 9/10 times. RAAM may have a Troika, but its a little hard to use when you're being killed by a deadly ink cloud, also taking away your sight. Sure, RAAM has the Kryll, but again, Skorge would have the Riftworm, no? If we use weapon vs weapon and stat vs stat, RAAM is at a disadvantage in most scenarios. Skorge is literally like an AT-mine, where as RAAM is the tank. The Kyrll would also scatter if they were to come in contact with Tickers.

Just saying, most people love RAAM but they refuse to actually put his tactics to work in reasonable stratagies. If we do so, RAAM actually has little going for him. Now, if it was a one-on-one fist-fight, I'd give the edge to RAAM. You also have to remember, Kim was about to take out RAAM before Barrack stopped him. That coat isn't chainsaw-proof, its leather. The only reason it would take awhile is because of the mass amount of skin on RAAM. The Locust skin is like a thick hide, meaning, double the leather for the blades to cut through. Still, Kim would have killed RAAM right then and there.

Lets not forget that if RAAM were not to have the Kryll or Troika, he would have a small dagger up against a double-staffed chainsaw. The staff has a longer range, meaning, RAAM would have to get in close (and Skorge is all about CQC) to do damage. Realisitically, the battle just wouldn't work with any sort of equipment for both of them, because it heavily favors Skorge's speed and agility as well as range. In order for RAAM to destroy Skorge, he needs to fight him without weapons, hand-to-hand. If that were the case, RAAM would defeat Skorge easily.

[BLUGeneralRAAM]

Contrary to the name, I like the Theron-class more than the Kantus.

However, hands down in a battle that requires speed and movement, Skorge will defeat RAAM 9/10 times. RAAM may have a Troika, but its a little hard to use when you're being killed by a deadly ink cloud, also taking away your sight. Sure, RAAM has the Kryll, but again, Skorge would have the Riftworm, no? If we use weapon vs weapon and stat vs stat, RAAM is at a disadvantage in most scenarios. Skorge is literally like an AT-mine, where as RAAM is the tank. The Kyrll would also scatter if they were to come in contact with Tickers.

Just saying, most people love RAAM but they refuse to actually put his tactics to work in reasonable stratagies. If we do so, RAAM actually has little going for him. Now, if it was a one-on-one fist-fight, I'd give the edge to RAAM. You also have to remember, Kim was about to take out RAAM before Barrack stopped him. That coat isn't chainsaw-proof, its leather. The only reason it would take awhile is because of the mass amount of skin on RAAM. The Locust skin is like a thick hide, meaning, double the leather for the blades to cut through. Still, Kim would have killed RAAM right then and there.

Lets not forget that if RAAM were not to have the Kryll or Troika, he would have a small dagger up against a double-staffed chainsaw. The staff has a longer range, meaning, RAAM would have to get in close (and Skorge is all about CQC) to do damage. Realisitically, the battle just wouldn't work with any sort of equipment for both of them, because it heavily favors Skorge's speed and agility as well as range. In order for RAAM to destroy Skorge, he needs to fight him without weapons, hand-to-hand. If that were the case, RAAM would defeat Skorge easily.

Have you played RAAM's Shadow? Alicia ground her saw against RAAM's chest, to be greeted by sparks, and a knife, and RAAM ran as fast as the Theron Elite, who runs like Marcus & Dom.