OFFICIAL: Proposed Rank Change

[Baz-L]

How does it? If you suck donkey @$$ but the rest of your team owns, then you get a free ride. Ultimately, it takes into account the team's performance. Or, if you're on the predicted losing team every game, your team loses each game, yet you were the top player in each, you never level up. It's a stupid system and doesn't accurately reflect anyone's skill level, which is why you come across rank 1/2 players kicking a "stacked" team's ass.

Experience won't work either, for the above-mentioned reasons. It needs to be kill/death ratios primarily. Other things like number of captures, revives, downs... whatever... could have a place to. To be honest, each game type should have it's own method of ranking. You shouldn't have to play every game type to get a higher rank, but you shouldn't be able to play just one and have that rank throughout all the games. If I play well in Execution, I should have a good rank in Execution. If I play for **** in KotH, I should have a **** rank in that.

Niceley put, that's just as i have been saying, needs to go off kills to death ratio primarily.. and the Trueskill system as it stands right now is plain wrong

[Baz-L]

In rereading my reply, I should've not said that the Trueskill system works perfectly fine. Because as you point out, it does have some questionable mechanisms/quirks that should be looked into.

What I meant was that rather than eliminate Trueskill completely and instead implement some new half-considered level-up system, they should KEEP the Trueskill and just iron out its flaws.

COMPLETELY RE-INVENTING THE WHEEL is such a foolish approach when all you really need to do is put some air in the tires and maybe get 'em balanced & rotated.

I absolutely abhor this all or nothing approach.

I hear ya, Trueskill could be a great system, guess we will have to wait and see

[On3 Last H0pE]

yeahh this level thing is rele old i have had this game ever since it came out and ive been a blue rank all this time and its rele annoying i play this game everyday and i still cant rank up

[JDeezy]

Do you really want a ranking system that COD has already? The games are completely different!

The more you play in COD the more XP you get wonderful. That means absolutely nothing. At least with trueskill you can rank up and down which has the foundation to a unique ranking system that responds to a players performance.

First mistake they should of made the ranking system at the least 10 ranks and they should of provided the player with a bar to track your gained or lost experience.

If you think making a COD ranking system is the answer you are so wrong at least make it somewhat related to performance not how many hours you can devote to this game.

Oh by the way they are not going to reset your overall stats (wins and losses)....and yes they are starting everyone at XP level 0.

Rethink an original system don't rush another update and spit out an uninspired rank system that lacks excitement.

[On3 Last H0pE]

yeah i would like one like that cuz its soo stupid i mean like i understand where your coming from wit the true skills and stuff but i have been playing this game ever since it came out and still no rank

[Thuone]

Again I say keep TrueSkill just,

Add a FFA game type for quicker recognizing of individual stats.
Add a social playlist for non ranked games so we can warm up.
Add all 50 level s of TrueSkill
Add host Migration
Remove cheaters as much as possible
= TrueSkill working as intended

[Baz-L]

Again I say keep TrueSkill just,

Add a FFA game type for quicker recognizing of individual stats.
Add a social playlist for non ranked games so we can warm up.
Add all 50 level s of TrueSkill
Add host Migration
Remove cheaters as much as possible
= TrueSkill working as intended

I assure you this is not a personal vendetta against your posts mate lol. BUT i have to disagree, i would be happy for Trueskill to stay but let me list how i think it should be:

FFA would be ok, but not adding it just for the sake of individual stats alone, ideally Trueskill should beable to take into account your individual kill to death ratio no matter what gametype you play.
F**k the warming up, you can do that in a private room.
I dont care how many levels they put in as long as its equal to or more than the current setup (demotions included).
obviously the last 2 would be great.

[Lepermessiah]

yeahh this level thing is rele old i have had this game ever since it came out and ive been a blue rank all this time and its rele annoying i play this game everyday and i still cant rank up

See, it is people like this that whine because they simply are not good enough to rank up that make game devs dumb down their games, you seriously must be terrible if you cannot rank up at all. Man, people are such babies. truskill while not perfect does reflect the players ability, the XP system is just an XP metre, which is pointless and stupid for a competitive online shooter. Fix the games issues, tweak tru skill and we have a winner, the new system is nothing more then a play time gauge.

[PeRK82]

i could care less about rank, simply because im stuck at 2 , even though i have won 26 out 30(no joke) and it was against my trueskill.

that and also they are changing it anyways so what does it matter,

im just more worried about moving up the leaderboards.

I WAS RANKED 194,000 IN EXECUTION 2 WKS AGO AND NOW IM RANKED
96,417

[Lepermessiah]

Do you really want a ranking system that COD has already? The games are completely different!

The more you play in COD the more XP you get wonderful. That means absolutely nothing. At least with trueskill you can rank up and down which has the foundation to a unique ranking system that responds to a players performance.

First mistake they should of made the ranking system at the least 10 ranks and they should of provided the player with a bar to track your gained or lost experience.

If you think making a COD ranking system is the answer you are so wrong at least make it somewhat related to performance not how many hours you can devote to this game.

Oh by the way they are not going to reset your overall stats (wins and losses)....and yes they are starting everyone at XP level 0.

Rethink an original system don't rush another update and spit out an uninspired rank system that lacks excitement.

YEP, good post.

[Baz-L]

See, it is people like this that whine because they simply are not good enough to rank up that make game devs dumb down their games, you seriously must be terrible if you cannot rank up at all. Man, people are such babies. truskill while not perfect does reflect the players ability, the XP system is just an XP metre, which is pointless and stupid for a competitive online shooter. Fix the games issues, tweak tru skill and we have a winner, the new system is nothing more then a play time gauge.

Look at yourself before you call others names, im only butting in to tell you this - Trueskill does NOT reflect the players ability in anyway at ALL, it simply gives you a rank which is wrongly based on wins or losses and levels of ranks in each team (to make a prediction of who should win) before the game starts. How do you know hes not good at the game, your the baby talking like that, theres no need for insults at all, wind your neck in ffs.

[Lepermessiah]

Look at yourself before you call others names, im only butting in to tell you this - Trueskill does NOT reflect the players ability in anyway at ALL, it simply gives you a rank which is wrongly based on wins or losses and levels of ranks in each team (to make a prediction of who should win) before the game starts. How do you know hes not good at the game, your the baby talking like that, theres no need for insults at all, wind your neck in ffs.

you want to think it doesn't because you stink. You and many do not understand how it works. When i started playing better, lo and behold i ranked up. Your a bay for whining you cannot rank up when most any moron can get at least a rank 2.

[Thuone]

I assure you this is not a personal vendetta against your posts mate lol. BUT i have to disagree, i would be happy for Trueskill to stay but let me list how i think it should be:

FFA would be ok, but not adding it just for the sake of individual stats alone, ideally Trueskill should beable to take into account your individual kill to death ratio no matter what gametype you play.
F**k the warming up, you can do that in a private room.
I dont care how many levels they put in as long as its equal to or more than the current setup (demotions included).
obviously the last 2 would be great.

Yeah, sure you’re out to put my head on a steak!

FFA would be cool for me because I really don’t care to play with randoms all the time you get some really annoying people. Not mention there is no better way for people to get individual stats if that’s what everyone is worried about.

How do you propose having a warm up in a private room unless you have friends on? Social playlist would be cool if they kept TrueSkill. Guess it does not matter with the proposed system.

TrueSkill has 50 levels EPIC Mapped the game to show 5 Ranks, that’s why you never see yourself move up or down. There is what I would guess 10 levels per Rank.

[Baz-L]

you want to think it doesn't because you stink. You and many do not understand how it works. When i started playing better, lo and behold i ranked up. Your a bay for whining you cannot rank up when most any moron can get at least a rank 2.

OMG im laughing so hard right now coz the funny thing is, its YOU who doesnt understand how it works...and your making yourself look stupid for saying you do then writing things like what you wrote. Anyways one day you just started playing better? lmao, your a funny guy.

O and actually i am a level 2, have been for ages, i bet my kill to death ratio is better than yours too, if that counted for anything in the current Trueskill system i would be a higher rank than you right? i rest my case...moron

[SPBTooL]

I strongly agree that the system needs to be based off more than just a K/D or W/L ratio. That is where an XP system can work well, It makes it easy to give set points for certain in game actions. If you want there to be a focus on team play then make revives worth more XP than kills. It is also an easy system to adjust after implementation.

However, it is obvious that a system where you can go up and down is needed. An XP system can provide that as well. It can even do it without using a loss in XP mechanic. Your XP sets you at a position, your position to everyone else determines your rank and the rank is used for matching. (if trueskill wasn't used)

For example; You have been doing well, gaining lots of XP and your rank has gone up. but in the next few days your game is off, gain very little XP and loose your rank. even though you still gained XP your overall average to the masses had dropped and placed you back in the rank you were in before.

The problem with that system is that there could not be an XP cap or XP adjustments/resets would be needed now an then so that the large XP numbers could be handled fast enough.

[Baz-L]

Right that's enough e-beef i cant handle anymore lol, need to get back to my real life, but one last thing to say about the current Trueskill system.

Whats the point in the current Trueskill system making predictions on who should win the game before a game starts, based upon each teams players rankings, when those rankings of each player that the predictions are being made on are only based upon mainly wins and losses in the first place and not individual skills, ie: kill to death ratios for each player. kinda makes the whole thing pointless in the first place, but thats just my opinion.

bye

[MoraLz]

Yes TrueSkill needs to be done away with, this ranking system seems a little bit odd though. I'd rather see each playlist get a ranking system somewhat like a Halo ... or better yet no ranking system at all just put in a region filter and have people play against others close by for the best connection possible.

[Tha Fenix]

If everyones problem with trueskill is that it doesn't move fast enough, why can't it just be made to move people up and down ranks fast enough to satisfy what everyone wants. If it moved fast enough for people to move up in just a few days, and possibly down in just a few days, maybe that would be an easier fix, and be a more accurate representation of someones skill at the same time

[Alisanos]

Do you really want a ranking system that COD has already? The games are completely different!

The more you play in COD the more XP you get wonderful. That means absolutely nothing. At least with trueskill you can rank up and down which has the foundation to a unique ranking system that responds to a players performance.

First mistake they should of made the ranking system at the least 10 ranks and they should of provided the player with a bar to track your gained or lost experience.

If you think making a COD ranking system is the answer you are so wrong at least make it somewhat related to performance not how many hours you can devote to this game.

Oh by the way they are not going to reset your overall stats (wins and losses)....and yes they are starting everyone at XP level 0.

Rethink an original system don't rush another update and spit out an uninspired rank system that lacks excitement.

Damn I like this post so much, I'm going to tattoo it to my arse!!

[xBuTcHeRx]

Trueskill is an old, DEAD ranking system, so complicated, why is something like this ever needed. Seriously either EPIC makes their own original ranking system or don't put one at all.

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[On3 Last H0pE]

well it is also stupid for the ppl who cheat in the game also to level up maybe if they took stupid lil glitches out of the game it would be fine ya know i mean like i liked the way cod4 and 5 is with the level and stuff but once i played gears and ive played every day ever since it came out and i still never ranked up yet i mean like its not fair my friends start a new account with the free one month and stuff and play for five min and level up to a gold and ive been playing ever since it came out and still nothin .... thats bull

[M.I.T.C.H]

Nobody cares about winning a game with the COD rank/exp system!
only about there K/D ratio.Teamwork will be over!

[x FiiLTHY]

good point mitch, i think we should keep the ranks we have now but show people their progreess that would make everything better

[AsianBlastaTRON]

**** YEA-Marcus

[On3 Last H0pE]

no its so stupid you cant work as a team in this game when you play wit retarted ppl

[x FiiLTHY]

then simply play with a party, add some friends over xbox live

[skatinsteve94]

its an okay idea but i think it should be like u have a highest skill and thats how you rank up because exp. just showas that u've played the game a lot.

[x FiiLTHY]

not exp, a horrible player could be the highest rank just because he plays 24/7

[On3 Last H0pE]

no friends rele have gears for the fact that they hate hate the way it was made and most of my friends that do have it suck

[x FiiLTHY]

well thats too bad, add people through the forums

[Titus91]

Having an assortment of pixels next to your name doesn't mean **** its an EXPERIENCE RANK so if you have played more you will have experienced more it seems perfectly fine to me. The 1st one didn't even have ranks, so you should just be happy that this one does.

[On3 Last H0pE]

so what then thats whats funny when you kill them cuz they think there good just cuz they have a high rank

[skatinsteve94]

yes i think that is brilliant

[On3 Last H0pE]

never played the first one and to be honest with you the rankin system is the only reason some ppl play games cuz just like cod it gets beat after a while when you cant rank up and gears is becoming to get like that

[x FiiLTHY]

Take out ranks

[On3 Last H0pE]

neep keep the ranks its what makes the game

[x FiiLTHY]

i know:P they just have to show us progress like when were going to rank up, like how much wins,how much exp that kind of thing?

[JDeezy]

I didn't stop playing GOW 2 because of the ranking system. I stopped because........

1.Lag Switchers
2.Bridging Host
3.Quitting especially host quitting in fair games
4.Pairing me with other players in New Zealand and giving them host so I cant leave spawn because of the lag.
5.Overall Failure of TU2

I am telling you COD ranking will be fun for 3 days then you will get tired of it. The current system has a sense of accomplishment and excitement because of bouncing between ranks but has a bunch of flaws that should be fixed not completely eliminated.