DM-1on1-Spliff (95%BSP) [PC/Pics&DL]

[KamilR]

DM-1on1-Spliff

Info:
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This map is inspired by DM-1on1-Trite from UT2k4.
The arena is now more opened then in Trite, for more z-axis action.
JumpBoots & LiftJumps bring lots of ways to move across the map.

95% BSP based: for optimal FrameRates

Theme: LIANDRI Depo

Bots/AI: Yes

Version: 1.0



Screenshots:








Credits:
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-Epic Games for DM-1on1-Trite in UT2k4 and this fantastic game called UT3
-Me


Copyright / Permissions
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This level is copyright 2008, by Kamil R.


Authors who wish use this level as a base to build additional levels, please ask permisison before doing so.

You MAY distribute this level through any electronic media [internet (web/ftp), Magazine coverdisk etc.], provided you include the readme.

All other trademarks and trade names are properties of their respective owners.





DOWNLOAD PC ONLY:
dm-1on1-spliff.zip



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Hope u njoy and gimme some feadback. cz KR

[Aaronius]

Looks awesome!

Great job, and all is BSP!

buut, were i have to download it?


Cheers!

[KamilR]

if someone wants to cook it for PS3, hes free to.

plz just post the dl link then

[KamilR]

some more infos:

Buildtime: 2 days
Planintime: 1 mounth


POWERITEMS: Belt, Beserk, Boots, MidArmor & Helm
Spawns: 6

[zunnie]

Added to our UT3 Database on game-maps.net

Judging your readme i am allowed to put this map into a future mappack
Readme will be included of course

[Odedge]

some more infos:

Buildtime: 2 days
Planintime: 1 mounth

While I enjoyed your Instinct remake, I can't really say the same for Spliff. It seems unfinished to me and the 2 day build time may be a reason.

That being said, here is my constructive feedback.

If the map is faithful to the original layout, you have to take this comment with a grain of salt. It seems like the layout is a bit too simple and open at times. It could use a few more closed spaces.

The lighting is way to evenly too evenly lit. While this doesn't hurt gameplay, it doesn't help your map look better than it could. There is way too much yellow lighting, which needs to be broken up with another color.

While making a BSP for better frame rates is understandable, this map would run well in Doom. The reasons why the HOLP maps work is that BSP doesn't equal simplicity in design. There are places where the map looks too basic for a modern game like UT 3.

I have hopes for the map, but in it's current state, I find it hard to come up with enough reasons to keep on the hard drive. I think more time with the layout, adding more BSP, and some lighting polishing would really help the map out.

[KamilR]

Added to our UT3 Database on game-maps.net

Judging your readme i am allowed to put this map into a future mappack
Readme will be included of course

good thx
keep it up

[Ragnos|UTzone]

ThanX for adding us in the ReadMe.

http://www.utzone.de/include.php?pat...contentid=7395

[KamilR]

ThanX for adding us in the ReadMe.

http://www.utzone.de/include.php?pat...contentid=7395

yeah, my favorite german site.

i like ur UT3 1on1 section.

[KamilR]

While I enjoyed your Instinct remake, I can't really say the same for Spliff. It seems unfinished to me and the 2 day build time may be a reason.

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While making a BSP for better frame rates is understandable, this map would run well in Doom. The reasons why the HOLP maps work is that BSP doesn't equal simplicity in design. There are places where the map looks too basic for a modern game like UT 3.

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lol
this is my 2nd quake style map.
d0ning
i dont care if u recognise.
hahaha

[Odedge]

lol
this is my 2nd quake style map.
d0ning
i dont care if u recognise.
hahaha

Can you translate this for me?

[KamilR]

Can you translate this for me?

nope.

its so easy to understand, just try to think a bit faster.

this map has still lots of krazy jumps & tricks.
if u dont like it i cant help u.

tomac aint my thing too
still i dont spam negativ **** about ur map on the first page of ur post or?
got it now?

[Odedge]

nope.

its so easy to understand, just try to think a bit faster.

this map has still lots of krazy jumps & tricks.
if u dont like it i cant help u.

tomac aint my thing too
still i dont spam negativ **** about ur map on the first page of ur post or?
got it now?

This I can understand. But I do like the potential of the map, I just think it can be better. Is it a bad thing to post constructive criticism or is that agains the forum rules?

[KamilR]

...Is it a bad thing to post constructive criticism or is that agains the forum rules?

this is a bsp style map!
means it was planed minimalistical.
and the light mashes i used got goldish textures.

therfor i dont think ur criticsm is on point.....n i dont like dat.

im difrent then most level designers around here. i dont build around "ONLY" a nice lookin constrution idee. i plan & build to provide the best action gameplay that i can implent.

....its a fakt that some peps around here got 4-5 AMAZING lookin maps, just that not even 1 of it is PLAYABLE! there is more to it then just puzzlin with some static mashes.

[Lord_PorkSword]

Personally I didn't think his criticizm was off-point. He was stating his opinion and also backing it up with examples to help you out.
If you can't take criticizm then don't post maps here. Plus at least he tried your map before criticizing....unlike my map which you criticized yet didn't actually try it and stated you wouldn't....

Mappers need good beta testers who provide feedback to help them improve. Good beta testers who provide good feedback through this forum are rare atm. Maybe this rareness is from mappers having an attitude like what you've shown in this thread.....

this is a bsp style map!
means it was planed minimalistical.
and the light mashes i used got goldish textures.

therfor i dont think ur criticsm is on point.....n i dont like dat.

im difrent then most level designers around here. i dont build around "ONLY" a nice lookin constrution idee. i plan & build to provide the best action gameplay that i can implent.

....its a fakt that some peps around here got 4-5 AMAZING lookin maps, just that not even 1 of it is PLAYABLE! there is more to it then just puzzlin with some static mashes.

[KamilR]

If the map is faithful to the original layout, you have to take this comment with a grain of salt. It seems like the layout is a bit too simple and open at times. It could use a few more closed spaces.

lol.... nice clit eeeem i mean criticsm...a remix is a remix !!!

The lighting is way to evenly too evenly lit. While this doesn't hurt gameplay, it doesn't help your map look better than it could. There is way too much yellow lighting, which needs to be broken up with another color.

ol scool map style and i like to have clean neonlights in a DEPO themed map.
cos the ol scool look was PLANED !

While making a BSP for better frame rates is understandable, this map would run well in Doom. The reasons why the HOLP maps work is that BSP doesn't equal simplicity in design. There are places where the map looks too basic for a modern game like UT 3.

I have hopes for the map, but in it's current state, I find it hard to come up with enough reasons to keep on the hard drive. I think more time with the layout, adding more BSP, and some lighting polishing would really help the map out.

less is MORE!

and still i will never try a Orbital map :P

yeah keep it PIMPin

[FragTastic]

odedge i would love feedback like that next time i post a beta pleeeeeeease, something more than "needs more meshes" for alpha's or the very encouraging but not particularly helpful "looks good"

Im off to play one of Lord_Porkswords maps bye

[KamilR]

ok thistime i dont joke.

odedge criticsm about more BSP would be really a good idee if i want to make it a map for better bot play.
therfore yeah he maybe made me really think about some details.
thx

still i build it for PvP battles and so it should be better the way it is: an wide open arena with still enuff cover.
this sucks a lil vs bots at high skill lvls. i know! but its straight more fun wit a friend of urs.

[Odedge]

this is a bsp style map!
means it was planed minimalistical.

It's not that you made it essentially out of BSP, the HOLP maps do that and they look very polished. Your map could have used a little more time to polish it.

and the light mashes i used got goldish textures.

That's fine too, but that doesn't mean the lighting has to be so even. You could break it iup the intensity of the light as this weould reflect how lighting actually works (ie light is never so evenly cast from a light source).

therfor i dont think ur criticsm is on point.....n i dont like dat.

My cticism has merit, whether or not you agree is always up to you. I am just trying to help you out.

im difrent then most level designers around here. i dont build around "ONLY" a nice lookin constrution idee. i plan & build to provide the best action gameplay that i can implent.

....its a fakt that some peps around here got 4-5 AMAZING lookin maps, just that not even 1 of it is PLAYABLE! there is more to it then just puzzlin with some static mashes.[/

I can see that. Your level has a lot more game play value than a lot of other maps that look better because of a lot of mesh work and post processing volumes. But don't think that anyone is above constructive criticism. My comments are always meant to help you improve, not to "put down" your work.

If you can't take criticizm then don't post maps here. Plus at least he tried your map before criticizing....

I wonder if this is a growing trend. I also received this kind of "flack" from another mapper. All I did was post constructive criticism and he acted like I call his mother a bad name. Even if the map is a final release, the author may do a SE or the comments may help them with a new map. So comments should always be welcomed, not just the typical "great map", which isn't really helpful. If it's great, why do you think that.

lol.... nice clit eeeem i mean criticsm...a remix is a remix !!!

Are you trying to be witty and funny? What exactly does that mean... "a remix is a remix"?

ol scool map style and i like to have clean neonlights in a DEPO themed map.
cos the ol scool look was PLANED !

Just because it's "ol scool" doesn't mean you have to pretend it's 1987. Even back in UT99, the lighting and BSP work was more polished.

less is MORE!

yeah keep it PIMPin

Less is just that, less, unless it actually offers more to the player. PIMPin? Are we talking about maps are cruising the streets in our pimp mobile?

odedge i would love feedback like that next time i post a beta pleeeeeeease, something more than "needs more meshes" for alpha's or the very encouraging but not particularly helpful "looks good"

Just PM. I usually don't beta test maps as I need to allocate my time enought to actually make maps. And as you can see, I won't just say something unhelpful as "nice map" or "map sux". I will give the best possible feedback I can.

[Odedge]

ok thistime i dont joke.

odedge criticsm about more BSP would be really a good idee if i want to make it a map for better bot play.
therfore yeah he maybe made me really think about some details.
thx

still i build it for PvP battles and so it should be better the way it is: an wide open arena with still enuff cover.
this sucks a lil vs bots at high skill lvls. i know! but its straight more fun wit a friend of urs.

I just got done posting, read this post and had to edit my post. Now that you explained (maybe I didn't see this in your original post) why the map is open and why you won't change it (which I understand why you wouldn't).

[KamilR]

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My cticism has merit, whether or not you agree is always up to you. I am just trying to help you out.

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I can see that. Your level has a lot more game play value than a lot of other maps that look better because of a lot of mesh work and post processing volumes. But don't think that anyone is above constructive criticism. My comments are always meant to help you improve, not to "put down" your work.
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thank you very mutch Odedge.
u got humor & discassin this map with u will improve it & my future workflow.

i would normaly start workin on a SE directly, its just that im on a tour till next weekend.

here r my idees for SE:
- lightwork (smother & more organical)
- i got plans to extend the runway from the flak to the bio gun. maybe bring even in a midhigh runway that connects the 2 rooms. this would also change the complete structure, cos im thinkin of a oval form, somethin like a curved street that is connectin the 2 rooms.
-also i got plans of bringen in 2 platforms (1 in every room, at snipergrounds lvl) in the small room this platform whould be rechable wit a walldouge & provide more "asasination". in the big room the platform would be lockted near a wall between the midarmor & the stinger. this 2nd platform will only be rechable with a perfekt liftjump or with jumpboots. this would implent new move-variations and also "fill" the room a bit more.

ODEDGE what do think about this?
and what would be ur idees?
also every1 else is welcome to discasse here some idees for SE.
plz just discripe a lil more exactly what u think needs a polish.

[Lord_PorkSword]

and still i will never try a Orbital map :P

Thanking you for proving my point about your attitude.
Was this actually a vain attempt at trying to upset me....

[FragTastic]

what about an orbital sander can we interest u in one of those? lolz

[Odedge]

thank you very mutch Odedge.
u got humor & discassin this map with u will improve it & my future workflow.

ODEDGE what do think about this?
and what would be ur idees?
also every1 else is welcome to discasse here some idees for SE.
plz just discripe a lil more exactly what u think needs a polish.

I will give you some of my thoughts soon. I am glad to see you are being more open for comments. At first, you seemed really defensive. Don't know why the change, but I think it will help your maps.

Thanking you for proving my point about your attitude.
Was this actually a vain attempt at trying to upset me....

I didn't appreciate his attitude either, but I will always give a person chances to change. This is the second thread in which I have posted constructive criticsm, wasn't received by the author at all, but eventually changed to at least considering the suggestion.

[Odedge]

and what would be ur idees?

If you really want to know by ideas, I took the time to closely look at your map and put my, more specific, suggestion in a .pdf file (it has pictures ). This is easier then uploading all the pics and formating it in the forums.

If you have any questions about what I wrote, don't hesitate to ask or comment.

[KamilR]

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suggestion in a .pdf file (it has pictures ).
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well first: THX! never seen here somebody helpin so mutch!

then:
ANNOUNCEMENT:
ther will be a DM-1on1-SPLIFF2, not a secend edit or somethin.
i will rebuild plany strucures, do some matnie work for some costum *blingBling* textures and a complete new THEME!
Change the Lifts n there jumps & propobly also implent more static mashes.

RLS DATE:
jan-feb 2009
sry, i still got real life work


AND ODEDGE U WILL BE DEFINITLY MENTAINT IN THE "Thx to list" TO SPLIFF2! 1000 times THX!

[Kantham]

Looking good. For some reasons it reminds me of Goldeneye's complex.

[RED-FROG]

If you can't speak english, don't try yourself in english slang or l33t for the wanna be coolness-factor.

Just a small info Mr. author.
You are way too rude to the people that wan't to give you constructive feedback.

[Odedge]

well first: THX! never seen here somebody helpin so mutch!

then:
ANNOUNCEMENT:
ther will be a DM-1on1-SPLIFF2, not a secend edit or somethin.
i will rebuild plany strucures, do some matnie work for some costum *blingBling* textures and a complete new THEME!
Change the Lifts n there jumps & propobly also implent more static mashes.

RLS DATE:
jan-feb 2009
sry, i still got real life work


AND ODEDGE U WILL BE DEFINITLY MENTAINT IN THE "Thx to list" TO SPLIFF2! 1000 times THX!

You're welcome. Take your time with it and give the map the attention it deserves, assuming you are going to release it to the public.

If you can't speak english, don't try yourself in english slang or l33t for the wanna be coolness-factor.

Just a small info Mr. author.
You are way too rude to the people that wan't to give you constructive feedback.

I don't think it's fair to say such things as he seems to have a change of attitude. Let's not dwell in the past, even if its a very recent past. He stated he is going to do a new version of it taking into consideration comments people made.

[KamilR]

If you can't speak english, don't try yourself in english slang or l33t for the wanna be coolness-factor.

Just a small info Mr. author.
You are way too rude to the people that wan't to give you constructive feedback.

speach is power, just that its useless in a internet forum kidow.

lol
i stay down wit da ****em, even if looks nutz.
ur a victim and i even hit peps with glasses.

muha

[Odedge]

speach is power, just that its useless in a internet forum kidow.

lol
i stay down wit da ****em, even if looks nutz.
ur a victim and i even hit peps with glasses.

muha

WTH? Isn't this forum about modding for UT 3, not to see if we can be witty enough to out do each other with comments. Keep focused people!

[KamilR]

WTH? Isn't this forum about modding for UT 3, not to see if we can be witty enough to out do each other with comments. Keep focused people!

riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight
enuff bo0n ass flamin


UtUnlimited has a Review to Spliff
53/100
lol
freakin scandal
10/30 in gameplay! UtUnlimited sayin: "Open maps don’t make for good 1 on 1 layouts plus the lack of atmosphere hampers the gameplay as well (see Eye Candy)." stupides command ever lol

thinkin thinkin
spliff2 will have drastical changes

[Odedge]

I am just dying to know, from what part of the world are you from KamilR?

UtUnlimited has a Review to Spliff
53/100
lol
freakin scandal
10/30 in gameplay! UtUnlimited sayin: "Open maps don’t make for good 1 on 1 layouts plus the lack of atmosphere hampers the gameplay as well (see Eye Candy)." stupides command ever lol

thinkin thinkin
spliff2 will have drastical changes

It may not come as a shock to you, but I agree with his comments more than not. The gameplay was a bit harsh, but to me, you rushed the map. I am looking forward to Spliff2.

[firefly]

KamilR
you need to learn how to take criticism in mapping. it's the only way you'll get anywhere. If you take it personally you wont last long. I've been doing this for many years.

thinkin thinkin
spliff2 will have drastical changes

I look forward to it. Like I said in the review, the layout had merit.

bad visuals will always hurt gameplay. if it looks bad, people wont want to play it. HOLP style doesn't mean minimal as in just no decoration or details, it means clean and clutter free.

[KamilR]

KamilR
you need to learn how to take criticism in mapping. it's the only way you'll get anywhere. If you take it personally you wont last long. I've been doing this for many years.

I look forward to it. Like I said in the review, the layout had merit.

bad visuals will always hurt gameplay. if it looks bad, people wont want to play it. HOLP style doesn't mean minimal as in just no decoration or details, it means clean and clutter free.

its ok man. thx for the review! its not that i cant take criticism, its more that i like to laught my ass off, even sometimes over myself.

i tryed a bsp and mesh mix thats just dont workin.
most peps dont get an idee whats happin in this so called "depo".

spliff2 will have only walkways in bsp, rest will be completly rebuild with meshes.

AND i for myself dont like the HOLP pack vol2. cos i wouldnt say that HOLP2 is clean. it simply feels "TO EDGEY" in plany maps, just like they overdid it.

[KamilR]

Looking good. For some reasons it reminds me of Goldeneye's complex.

well... good to see peps around with the ability to understand this landri depo for what it is

[SkaarjMaster]

Wuh, tough room for this remake/remix of UT2004’s DM-1on1-Trite (I mean in this forum thread and not the map); right off the bat I see too much yellow and a pink that should actually be red. It’s a different take on 1on1 (more hide and seek sort of) and it looks like the top part was ripped open and off the original UT2004 1on1-Trite map, but none of this (except for the colors of course) is not necessarily bad. If you’re a casual 1on1 map player, then it gives you more variety and is good; if not, well, then I guess it is bad. The gameplay is very different from the original and bot seems harder and easier in this one if that’s possible; easier once you find him but harder to find (even though it seems wide-open that little devil can be tricky). I never go for the sniper rifle, but that’s just me; maybe a powerup would be better here.

[Private Tux]

Three working links:
http://www.gamefront.com/files/12513...on1-Spliff.zip
http://www.mapraider.com/maps/?fileid=4555
http://www.utzone.de/forum/downloads...o=file&id=2761

Map included on Game-Maps Bonus 1on1 Pack:
http://www.game-maps.org/index.php?/...nus-1on1-pack/

Firefly's review at UT Unlimited:
http://utunlimited.beyondunreal.com/?page_id=363