Gears of War Ranking System - How to rank up

**zackthewack** · 11-12-2008, 04:35 PM

Alright so after testing some things out, I am pretty sure I know how the Ranking System works. I might be wrong, but it worked for me.

Kills/Wins/whatever DO MEAN SOMETHING!

Depending on how many points you have in each gametype, and how much you win/lose in each gametype determine your rank.

For expample:

You play Elimination and all you do is play Execution, Warzone and Guardian. Well after a little while you will get your first rank and then possibly second rank. Once you hit your second rank, just playing Execution will not get your rank up. It will take A LOT to rank up again just playing Elimination.

What you will need to do is play different game types. What I did was play Wingman. I played a lot of Elimination and decided to try some Wingman. I was going to test my theory. Well when I played it, guess what? I got my third rank

So now I am working on my 4th rank. I am probably really close to it. I had 0 points in Submission and now I have about 20k in it. I am getting 30k points in ever gametype, and hopefully I will rank up once again. I don't know the set point goals of all the gametypes, but as far as I know, this is how it works.

Play all gametypes to rank up. Simple as that. I will post my points in every gametype below.

Annex - 35465
Execution - 43550
Guardian - 25492
King of the Hill - 37934
Submission - 25337
Warzone - 21210
Wingman - 30430

You are all welcome for this as well. Hopefully I have conquered the System

PLEASE CHECK TOP OF POST! WINS DO MATTER! JUST CONFIRMED.

**xlTwistedFatelx** · 11-12-2008, 04:37 PM

Can Anyone Else Confirm This? Does Sound Good Though, Nice Find

**Lukledinio** · 11-12-2008, 04:40 PM

id confirm it ... but im just guessing

**Mike Hunt** · 11-12-2008, 04:41 PM

Sounds legit, bro. Hope you are correct because I can't figure this **** out.

**zackthewack** · 11-12-2008, 04:41 PM

Thank you

Hopefully people can confirm this because this sounds right to me. Someone try it out!

If you are someone with rank 2 and need 3, check to see how many points you have in the gametype you play most of the time. If you have a lot in that gametype and not really any in the other gametypes, try playing a different gametype and let us know what happens

**zackthewack** · 11-12-2008, 04:45 PM

Just confirmed, winning/losing does hurt your rank

Proof: My friend was 4th rank yesterday. Today, he is 3rd. He said he lost some matches and his rank went down.

**zackthewack** · 11-12-2008, 05:05 PM

Anyone prove this yet?

**xDBDx PARKO** · 11-12-2008, 05:09 PM

i dont think your right at all i watched a guy come into my party with no rank at all it was his first game of public we won the match he went to a two stripe rank in one game so it cant go off points but i agree about playing differrent game types that maybe it is wins/losses but you need to have wins and losses in all game modes as . yes you can go down a rank i have done it my self i am a gold rank i lost some matches went down a rank then won two matches and went back up a rank.we really need someone from epic to post a sticky telling us how the ranking system works.

**King Raven 24** · 11-12-2008, 05:13 PM

You're close, but you don't have to vary your gametypes to rank up. I played strictly Wingman for my first 12-15 hours online and I got up to 3 hash marks. I believe the ranks are strictly weighted on wins. I have had games in Wingman where I toss out 1200-1700 points, but wound up losing a match and didn't rank up. I've had games where I've won but with less than 1000 points and I ranked up.

There could be some other things weighted, but I believe 80%+ of your rank is determined by the wins category. Not how much you lose so much, but if you lose so many games in a row, you will lose a rank. That I know for sure. I think it's probably 3-5 games, depending on how badly you lost.

**zackthewack** · 11-12-2008, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by xDBDx PARKO

i dont think your right at all i watched a guy come into my party with no rank at all it was his first game of public we won the match he went to a two stripe rank in one game so it cant go off points but i agree about playing differrent game types that maybe it is wins/losses but you need to have wins and losses in all game modes as . yes you can go down a rank i have done it my self i am a gold rank i lost some matches went down a rank then won two matches and went back up a rank.we really need someone from epic to post a sticky telling us how the ranking system works.

:\ Dang. I thought this was right. Lol. It seemed good. Thanks for the help though.

I really wish EPIC would say something about it. It's like they want to keep it a secret or something. I don't understand EPIC sometimes...

**I scott160592 I** · 11-12-2008, 05:43 PM

The symbol rank is based on where you are at on the leaderboards, but for every leaderboard. So it pretty much averages out your overall leaderboard rank. Find out what gametype you have low leaderboard rank and play that few times then go to the next gametype. I got my star doing this and others have.

**zackthewack** · 11-12-2008, 05:50 PM

Hmm alright. Thank you for this. I thought it was for winning and losing. What exactly is the star? Just a star instead of stripes?

**I scott160592 I** · 11-12-2008, 06:18 PM

Yes, i think its the top rank but im not too sure

**zackthewack** · 11-12-2008, 06:24 PM

i don't know if that is right. What if everyone keeps getting ranks up because they think that is how you get your rank up? Then you will go down in rank losing your thing. That doesn't make sense. It would still be points. You need points to rank up.

**Insane melon** · 11-12-2008, 07:04 PM

Stop posting guesswork like it is fact. It is misleading and what you are saying is unlikely to be true anyway

**SoCoandCoke** · 11-12-2008, 07:21 PM

Rank is influenced by: wins and losses/wins and losses in a row/strength of competition from what I can gather. It explains why someone without a rank can gain 2 stripes after ranked game win, ie, the competition was strong.

**lntent** · 11-12-2008, 07:31 PM

Sounds true because the true because if I were thinking right then the true skill system would want to take in all gametypes and not just one to find out your "true skill".

**holychitt** · 11-12-2008, 08:00 PM

talking to a guy in gears that had 5 slahes had said it also is based on ur kill/death ratio plus ur wins/losses to .someday they will break the truth to us

**I scott160592 I** · 11-12-2008, 08:06 PM

http://research.microsoft.com/osa/apg/trueskill.aspx

**I scott160592 I** · 11-12-2008, 08:08 PM

Originally Posted by Insane melon

Stop posting guesswork like it is fact. It is misleading and what you are saying is unlikely to be true anyway

Sorry i should of made it clear this was just my idea of the ranking system

**iTz_Dominant** · 11-12-2008, 08:15 PM

I am rank 4 and have only played elimination in publics. So no to the other gametypes side of things.

Although you will be a better player for it.

**Shura30** · 11-12-2008, 08:26 PM

i just think that you get your level up once your kills/deaths ratio grow up
the higher the rate the higher rank you get

**xYouBlinkedx** · 11-12-2008, 08:56 PM

well my friend has a 3.0 ratio and has played about the same games as me and I have like a 1.5 yet I'm 3rd and hes 2nd :/

**zackthewack** · 11-12-2008, 09:33 PM

Well than I have no idea about this dumb Ranking System.

I wish EPIC would just tell us.

**JLeonW** · 11-12-2008, 09:34 PM

People would just abuse the system if Epic released the info on how to rank up.

**Hostile1398** · 11-12-2008, 10:05 PM

Abuse they system lol wtf. How can you abuse the system in online matches? Its based off some factors but w/e they may be they still require skill to obtain them. What you going to do fake skill or something lol.

**xi dread ix** · 11-13-2008, 03:56 AM

Guys, i mean this in the nicest way possible, and mean no insult to anyone, but how do you not understand how the ranking system works. There is no Gears specific ranking system. Gears uses the TrueSkill system, which works the same for every game its used on. I saw a post that had a link to the TrueSkill itself, which should help a lot, but let me put it in laymans terms.

To rank up, has nothing do to specifically with winning or losing or kill/death ratios. It is based upon how well you play. It is based upon your skill level itself. Now of course, if you play extremely well, your probably going to be racking up wins, play crappy, your probably going to get loses. But the rank system is not based upon leader boards or points or anything like that. If you were to make a new account, brand new, join a public match and completely own a bunch of guys who have rank, its possible to go from no rank to 2 bars in a single match. Ive read post on this thread where people have stated this happening to them. Get a lot of kills, the game thinks your playing well. Get a lot of assists, the game thinks your playing well. So on and so forth. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR ACTUALLY NUMBER OF WINS OR KILLS OR DEATHS. It is perfectly possible to have a single win and be ranked higher than someone with 5 wins. I'm really not trying to be condesending. You want your rank to go up, then play better. Not rack up wins, but play better. IT IS YOUR PERSONAL PLAYER SKILL, NOT YOUR PERSONAL WIN TOTAL. TrueSkill is used in many other games, most notably Halo 3TM for example. TrueSkill on Halo is your skill level, not your rank. I.E. level 50s play better than level 25s.

This might seem confusing based upon how close the two things are related.
Playing well=wins
Playing badly=loses.

I hope this has cleared things up for a lot. For more info, check the link from a previous post that has a link to Microsoft Research. Gives very detailed (not laymans terms) info on how the TrueSkill system works.

**Csma** · 11-13-2008, 05:50 AM

I am currently rank 1, and have played well over 100 matches. Im over 1.0 K/D ratio in most of the games and am ranked around 4300 in Guardian (22k points) I have been trying to figure out this ranking thing...

**SweeeeeeT** · 11-13-2008, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by xi dread ix

Guys, i mean this in the nicest way possible, and mean no insult to anyone, but how do you not understand how the ranking system works. There is no Gears specific ranking system. Gears uses the TrueSkill system, which works the same for every game its used on. I saw a post that had a link to the TrueSkill itself, which should help a lot, but let me put it in laymans terms.

To rank up, has nothing do to specifically with winning or losing or kill/death ratios. It is based upon how well you play. It is based upon your skill level itself. Now of course, if you play extremely well, your probably going to be racking up wins, play crappy, your probably going to get loses. But the rank system is not based upon leader boards or points or anything like that. If you were to make a new account, brand new, join a public match and completely own a bunch of guys who have rank, its possible to go from no rank to 2 bars in a single match. Ive read post on this thread where people have stated this happening to them. Get a lot of kills, the game thinks your playing well. Get a lot of assists, the game thinks your playing well. So on and so forth. IT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH YOUR ACTUALLY NUMBER OF WINS OR KILLS OR DEATHS. It is perfectly possible to have a single win and be ranked higher than someone with 5 wins. I'm really not trying to be condesending. You want your rank to go up, then play better. Not rack up wins, but play better. IT IS YOUR PERSONAL PLAYER SKILL, NOT YOUR PERSONAL WIN TOTAL. TrueSkill is used in many other games, most notably Halo 3TM for example. TrueSkill on Halo is your skill level, not your rank. I.E. level 50s play better than level 25s.

This might seem confusing based upon how close the two things are related.
Playing well=wins
Playing badly=loses.

I hope this has cleared things up for a lot. For more info, check the link from a previous post that has a link to Microsoft Research. Gives very detailed (not laymans terms) info on how the TrueSkill system works.

Im just quoting it cuz people just look past it and they just dont understand that if they read more then they write they will learn wut they are looking for. So stop asking and READ xi dread ix post if your still confused

**I scott160592 I** · 11-13-2008, 10:23 AM

Heres the link to the trueskill page again for the people who missed it

http://research.microsoft.com/osa/apg/trueskill.aspx

**Synapxe** · 11-14-2008, 10:36 AM

Originally Posted by I scott160592 I

Heres the link to the trueskill page again for the people who missed it

http://research.microsoft.com/osa/apg/trueskill.aspx

This does make sense but, how do they judge what makes a good player? It must come down to a tangable stat. Wins? Kills? Epic, we want to know!

**C-Money** · 01-07-2009, 03:01 PM

everything goes by wins and losses. nothing by points. im a 3 bar and have over 60k points in every game type. i did rank up to a 4 bar a few times and won like 5 matches in a row. but then the host on the other team quit out and it ranked me down. like wtf is that???? its so gay

**GoogleU85** · 01-07-2009, 03:04 PM

HI Zak,

Maybe you could read my post and tell me what you think?

http://gearsforums.epicgames.com/sho...d.php?t=651019

**TonyTheTiger069** · 01-07-2009, 03:19 PM

This seems pretty true im gonna try it out see how it goes, thanks for that.

**SOL27** · 01-07-2009, 06:46 PM

I don't think it has to do with varying game modes. Here's my theory:

At the beginning of a match, Trueskill makes a prediction based on all of your stats, and the gametype being played. If you are predicted to lose, and you lose, then your rank hardly gets affected. Same with the Win/Win outcome. If you're predicted to lose, and win, then your position in the ranking system will go up. So that means, that if you're a rank 2, and you are playing against other rank 2's, and 1's, then it'll be hard for you to rank up, because you'll be expected to win most of the time. If you end up playing against some 3's and 4's, and you win, then you'll go from the 2 bracket, into the 3 bracket in no time flat.

This means, that while K/D ratio has something to do with it, the major factor involved I think, is Wins/Losses. I have been sitting on the edge of rank 2 and 3 for a while, and so when I lose, I lose my rank (despite being at the top of the team). If I win, I keep my rank, and move up the 3 bracket a little bit.

Lastly, the more you play the game, the more trueskill will make an accurate prediction. This is because it will have way more numbers to crunch. It will be more accurate in judging the skill of a guy who's played 700 Elim. matches, with 70K points, K/D ratio of 3, W/L ratio of 2, vs the guy who's got 3 matches overall. So the longer you are stuck at your rank, the harder it'll be to rank up.

If you consistently do better, you'll move up. And the higher up you get, the more you're expected to do better.

A word on the "brackets"

Just because you're rank 2, doesn't mean other rank 2's are the same. I think, effectively the ranking system is in decimals. So you may be rank 2, but in actuality you can be anywhere from 2.01, to 2.99. The second you move into the 3, you get a new rank. And the fastest way to do that, is to beat high level guys. Which is getting harder and harder to do, because people quit all the time.

**Goblin51O** · 01-07-2009, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by xDBDx PARKO

i dont think your right at all i watched a guy come into my party with no rank at all it was his first game of public we won the match he went to a two stripe rank in one game so it cant go off points but i agree about playing differrent game types that maybe it is wins/losses but you need to have wins and losses in all game modes as . yes you can go down a rank i have done it my self i am a gold rank i lost some matches went down a rank then won two matches and went back up a rank.we really need someone from epic to post a sticky telling us how the ranking system works.

sometimes rank dissapears for a while mine does all the time but after a game or two it comes back

**m4ntxs** · 01-07-2009, 09:25 PM

This may seem a bit weird. But I believe Win/Loss has a very small impact on your rank. I've been in situations where i'd Win and Lose my rank and also situation where i have loss... yet i ranked up.

I did notice one thing though... Say if im predicted to lose.. and i do lose.. yet I killed lots of those ranked above me while dying very little throughout the match... I gain Rank even tho i suffered a loss.

**m4ntxs** · 01-07-2009, 09:27 PM

oh and one other thing... Say if im in a match in which i am susposed to win... and I do win.. yet I have died 4 times and only killed 3.. and each time i died it was to someone ranked far under me... I lose my rank.. although my team has come out victorious...

I believe the ranking system has to do more with whom you were killed by and who you killed. more of the Kill/death ration than Win/Loss

**xxrkxx l ov i n** · 01-07-2009, 10:36 PM

Im a 5 and ill tell you straight up its all win and losses. Play wingman if you want to rank up the faster because a win in wingman counts for like 5 wins in elimination.