Unreal Tournament 3 has Gone Gold!

**NakhtiUT3** · 10-31-2007, 09:08 PM

Originally Posted by NakhtiUT3

So if you like a company, have been happy with their products, feel they do actually care about the community they have served so long and faithfully, and then decide to stick up for them in anyway that means you are a sycophant? Buddy you are waaaay off base ... what it means is you are supportive of a company that has always done right by you and brought you hours and hours of fun and enjoyment. Nothing more and nothing less.

You know what is messed up (and saying this may cost me more points) but after all of this sticking up for Epic and showing how much I really respect the company and am behind ALL their products (I have Gears of War for the 360 and will be getting it for the PC as well and I plan on getting all the different versions of UT3 eventually) I just got a message from Mark Rein where he docked me 6 points saying that I hijacked a thread ... now that is messed up because it is not even true. I said one thing and then people attacked me and defended myself and yet I am penalized. And I was even saying good things about the PS3 version ... like how I might get a PS3 just to run the PS3 version. Now that really hurts my feelings because it seems like as big of a fan as I am and having actually done a mod for the UT2K4 version (HaloUT) that feels like a slap in the face. Well I learned my lesson ... no PS3 version for me and no more defending Epic when people start trash talking them. So you folks who are complaining about the ALL the bugs in the demo go right ahead ... I have nothing more to say about Epic at this point. yeah I am still getting the PC version but that is it. I may even cancel my Gears for the PC copy ... I just can't believe that. Man to lay all the blame on me was totally unfair ... I kept trying to get back on topic even and people kept attacking me ... so I defended myself and for that I am penalized. That is just not right. I hope Mark Rein reconsiders his actions.

**Lostsoul** · 10-31-2007, 09:16 PM

Originally Posted by NakhtiUT3

You know what is messed up (and saying this may cost me more points) but after all of this sticking up for Epic and showing how much I really respect the company and am behind ALL their products (I have Gears of War for the 360 and will be getting it for the PC as well and I plan on getting all the different versions of UT3 eventually) I just got a message from Mark Rein where he docked me 6 points saying that I hijacked a thread ... now that is messed up because it is not even true. I said one thing and then people attacked me and defended myself and yet I am penalized. And I was even saying good things about the PS3 version ... like how I might get a PS3 just to run the PS3 version. Now that really hurts my feelings because it seems like as big of a fan as I am and having actually done a mod for the UT2K4 version (HaloUT) that feels like a slap in the face. Well I learned my lesson ... no PS3 version for me and no more defending Epic when people start trash talking them. So you folks who are complaining about the ALL the bugs in the demo go right ahead ... I have nothing more to say about Epic at this point. yeah I am still getting the PC version but that is it. I may even cancel my Gears for the PC copy ... I just can't believe that. Man to lay all the blame on me was totally unfair ... I kept trying to get back on topic even and people kept attacking me ... so I defended myself and for that I am penalized. That is just not right. I hope Mark Rein reconsiders his actions.

You attacked individuals while they where making comments to the company. YOu where in the wrong. Now go away please.

Originally Posted by NakhtiUT3

Nah .... they don't need to ignore me ... they need to ignore all those whining about small bugs and a UI they don't like ... well a lot of us do like that UI for the menus ... it looks slick. They are not EA anyway what are you talking about? I just think this thread is for saying thanks and congrats ... not talking about fixing bugs ... don't you folks think that they already read all your posts talking about the bugs and the things you don't like about the game? Why bring that to this thread?

I love Epic as much as the next guy, i have played there games since pinball, but to think that they should just release the game and patch it later has got to be one of the stupider things I have seen here, so is blindly following a company.

Either way, i look forward to a full demo.

**intentsly** · 10-31-2007, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by NakhtiUT3

You know what is messed up (and saying this may cost me more points) but after all of this sticking up for Epic and showing how much I really respect the company and am behind ALL their products (I have Gears of War for the 360 and will be getting it for the PC as well and I plan on getting all the different versions of UT3 eventually) I just got a message from Mark Rein where he docked me 6 points saying that I hijacked a thread ... now that is messed up because it is not even true. I said one thing and then people attacked me and defended myself and yet I am penalized. And I was even saying good things about the PS3 version ... like how I might get a PS3 just to run the PS3 version. Now that really hurts my feelings because it seems like as big of a fan as I am and having actually done a mod for the UT2K4 version (HaloUT) that feels like a slap in the face. Well I learned my lesson ... no PS3 version for me and no more defending Epic when people start trash talking them. So you folks who are complaining about the ALL the bugs in the demo go right ahead ... I have nothing more to say about Epic at this point. yeah I am still getting the PC version but that is it. I may even cancel my Gears for the PC copy ... I just can't believe that. Man to lay all the blame on me was totally unfair ... I kept trying to get back on topic even and people kept attacking me ... so I defended myself and for that I am penalized. That is just not right. I hope Mark Rein reconsiders his actions.

Dude, its ok to be supportive, but to post after every other post or so tends to wear on people's nerves.
I've been there myself, but don't get all pissy if you get called on it.
It comes down to the appearance of someone just looking for an excuse to put someone down in the Name of Epic.
You have your opinions just as ereone else and showing respect goes further than constant chastising.

On a different note: I loved U1(+expansion pack), U2 (was ok) and UT99 (I still play daily), but after that I felt UT2x lost it. So, no, I do like most of what they've produced. GoW PC I'm still not sold on, I'd have to get more info on it. Its well known I'm no console fan, so GoW didn't mean much when it first came out. I'm more into seeing color than just washed out greys, so if its improved in that respect perhaps I'd consider it.

I will say that turning down my post processing seems to have improved my opinion of gameplay. Vivid sounds like it shall be for me! Intense was too much.

Frag On!

Intentsly

**NakhtiUT3** · 10-31-2007, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by Lostsoul

You attacked individuals while they where making comments to the company. YOu where in the wrong. Now go away please.

First off I never attacked anyone ... I know what I said ... I defended myself from personal attacks so no I was not in the wrong at all. So you go away please.

I love Epic as much as the next guy, i have played there games since pinball, but to think that they should just release the game and patch it later has got to be one of the stupider things I have seen here, so is blindly following a company.

That is what they do ... so you must be lying when you say you have been playing their games for a long time. They patched UT2K3 a few times and there were no less than 4 patches for UT2K4. The game has gone gold man so if there are any issues they didn't address those issues will be addressed in a patch as they always have done.

Either way, i look forward to a full demo.

You can look forward to it all you want ... it ain't gonna happen ... they provided us with a good demo ... much better than a lot of other demos I have played lately and much more enjoyable so now we are all just going to have to wait for the retail version which will be out in three weeks. Before Thanksgiving and I think that is a great thing.

**NakhtiUT3** · 10-31-2007, 09:35 PM

Originally Posted by intentsly

Dude, its ok to be supportive, but to post after every other post or so tends to wear on people's nerves.
I've been there myself, but don't get all pissy if you get called on it.
It comes down to the appearance of someone just looking for an excuse to put someone down in the Name of Epic.
You have your opinions just as ereone else and showing respect goes further than constant chastising.

Uh, do the words public forum mean anything to you. I can post (supposedely) whenever I want to as long as I stay within the rules ... I haven't seen any rules saying otherwise and wearing on people's nerves is not my concern. A public forum is a place where you get to speak your mind. If that is not the case someone needs to update the rules and tell me exactly what I can and can't say and if I am limited to a certain number of posts per day. Otherwise I don't see the issue. But I am going to drop this now ... I said what I had to say and I don't want to get hit with more accusations of hijacking yet another thread. So I am out. And btw I always show respect for people's opinions even if I don't agree with them ... I just don't let people insult or attack me without a retort. Maybe I need to learn to just that stuff fly but it is difficult for me.

**mwalt2** · 10-31-2007, 09:43 PM

Originally Posted by NakhtiUT3

blah blah blah Epic made a great game and I'm arguing with you when you question it blah blah blah

We get it. You're happy which you conveyed in your first post. Clam down and stop arguing with people. Everyone has an opinion, which can't really be right or wrong. I hope the game has improved significantly from the demo. The lack of options in the settings and server browser were horrible IMO. I know there are TDM servers out there, but does the server browser find anything other than 'ghost' servers with no name that are joinable...no. So that's great, I find an IP to a server to play on from a forum post. I copy the IP since I don't like writing things down or memorizing octets and find out I can't even paste in the console. Notepad has a paste function for crying out loud. I'm hopefull these and other things are fixed. But unless Epic says something, there will always be negative Nancy's expecting the worse (which is sadly the side I lean towards

).

**NakhtiUT3** · 10-31-2007, 09:48 PM

^^^

Now see this is the kind of crap I am talking about that I can't let ride ... why are you misquoting me? I never said that .. AT ANYTIME OR ANY THREAD. So please edit that and don't put words in my mouth please. At least don't quote me ... you can say that is your interpretation of what I am saying but to put that in a quote is unacceptable.

**T1tusCr0w** · 10-31-2007, 09:59 PM

chill out guys - nakhti you need to realise that people had serious issues with the demo of ut3, the interface / options and server browser were a joke - people are worried about this stuff not because they want to be down on the game, but because the last unreal game/ games meant so much to them and they wish this one to be the best it can be.
we have as far as i can see had no word from epic on these things and this fact means that the forms treats the news of the game going gold with a little trepidation.
that said im hoping for the best and that many things will have been fixed and that the game will be the bomb- i meani built this pc mostly for this game

**NakhtiUT3** · 10-31-2007, 10:15 PM

Originally Posted by T1tusCr0w

chill out guys - nakhti you need to realise that people had serious issues with the demo of ut3, the interface / options and server browser were a joke - people are worried about this stuff not because they want to be down on the game, but because the last unreal game/ games meant so much to them and they wish this one to be the best it can be.
we have as far as i can see had no word from epic on these things and this fact means that the forms treats the news of the game going gold with a little trepidation.
that said im hoping for the best and that many things will have been fixed and that the game will be the bomb- i meani built this pc mostly for this game

Well stated and I see your points clearly ... not a problem ... I have chilled out and I am just as anxious as anyone else to see how they addressed the issues of the demo. But really I liked the UI ... it was a little clumsy getting around but I liked the look. But still the best UI they ever had imo was the one for the often maligned UT2K3 ... now that was one great UI that was pure PC. I loved that one and really never cared for the UI for UT2K4.

Edit: I think they really need to bring back that UI (UT2K3) if they are going to change the one from the Beta. Just my opinion.

**T1tusCr0w** · 10-31-2007, 10:22 PM

to be honest i cant remember the UI for ut2003 it was so long ago - i do remember i mostly played insta that year rather than dm though

as for ut2004 the UI was pretty good not ut99 unreal windows good but still good. i think in the bottom line if the UI did everything we wanted it to do no one would even mention it which would be the biggest compliment it could have. they may have released the demo very quickly with a everyman menu i think rather than do a platform specific one and hold back the demo date ( least i hope this is it

)

**Frogger** · 10-31-2007, 11:03 PM

november 22nd patch ftw........

**NakhtiUT3** · 10-31-2007, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by T1tusCr0w

to be honest i cant remember the UI for ut2003 it was so long ago - i do remember i mostly played insta that year rather than dm though

as for ut2004 the UI was pretty good not ut99 unreal windows good but still good. i think in the bottom line if the UI did everything we wanted it to do no one would even mention it which would be the biggest compliment it could have. they may have released the demo very quickly with a everyman menu i think rather than do a platform specific one and hold back the demo date ( least i hope this is it

)

Heck believe it or not I still play UT2K3 from time to time. I actually like some of the weapons more in that version. Like the link gun and the shock rifle ... I was not a fan of how they looked and worked (the link gun primary was terrible) in UT2K4. There are some really good maps and models for UT2K3 so yeah I still play it and the UI is really great. Especially the team building/bot selection menu. It is so much better than UT2K4 and so much more intuitive and functional.

**da ghost** · 11-01-2007, 12:16 AM

Shoulda saved it for Two Weeks

**Mini-Me** · 11-01-2007, 02:23 AM

This honestly worries me very much...unless the beta was a several week-old build at the time it was released and/or Epic has a lot of guys working very quickly and efficiently, I see this as a sign that most of the major beta issues were left unfixed. The demo was a lot of fun and showed that UTIII has the potential to be great, but it had some very severe flaws that probably would have taken longer than this to fix and extensively test, i.e.:

Crashes/incompatibilities
Poor UI in terms of both flow and available options
Viewable player names that are stuck as unique player ID's, a la Xbox Live
Server browser that doesn't display players in servers, sorts pings by string instead of numeric values, etc.
Exploitable eyeheight/collision height/model height mismatches
Lackluster widescreen support
Too many scattered mouse acceleration variables that make fine-tuning extremely difficult
Depth of field controlling several settings
Preferences resetting themselves
Netcode tick rate (or something...) is out of whack, causing some obvious hits to go without damage being applied
In addition to a few other (comparably minor) gameplay issues like flak trajectory, misplaced ("early") shock combo explosion, and some elusive/rumored bugs like hitscan collisions being "mysteriously dropped" both online and offline

At least the first five issues in particular need to be resolved for UTIII to have a decent shot at long-term success (rather than be a "flavor-of-the-week" FPS), but at this point it seems unlikely that any of those points have been addressed at all except for the second, fourth, eighth, and ninth points (UI/server browser/depth of field setting/resetting preferences). I pray to all that is holy that Epic proves me wrong on Nov. 19th...if so, congratulations on truly finishing the game! If not though, I'm afraid that UTIII's longevity will suffer a terrible loss due to Epic (and/or Midway) releasing an unfinished game. I guess all we can do now is cross our fingers and hope for the best...

**Omnes Vulnerant** · 11-01-2007, 02:27 AM

Originally Posted by Mini-Me

This honestly worries me very much...unless the beta was a several week-old build at the time it was released and/or Epic has a lot of guys working very quickly and efficiently, I see this as a sign that most of the major beta issues were left unfixed. The demo was a lot of fun and showed that UTIII has the potential to be great, but it had some very severe flaws that probably would have taken longer than this to fix and extensively test, i.e.:

Crashes/incompatibilities
Poor UI in terms of both flow and available options
Viewable player names that are stuck as unique player ID's, a la Xbox Live
Server browser that doesn't display players in servers, sorts pings by string instead of numeric values, etc.
Exploitable eyeheight/collision height/model height mismatches
Lackluster widescreen support
Too many scattered mouse acceleration variables that make fine-tuning extremely difficult
Depth of field controlling several settings
Preferences resetting themselves

The first five issues in particular need to be resolved for UTIII to have a decent shot at long-term success (rather than be a "flavor-of-the-week" FPS), but at this point it seems unlikely that any of those points have been addressed at all except for the second, fourth, eighth, and ninth points (UI/server browser/depth of field setting/resetting preferences). I pray to all that is holy that Epic proves me wrong on Nov. 19th...if so, congratulations on truly finishing the game! If not though, I'm afraid that UTIII's longevity will suffer a terrible loss due to Epic (and/or Midway) releasing an unfinished game. I guess all we can do now is cross our fingers and hope for the best...

I agree with you, but prepare to get flamed with "That's what patches are for ololollolololo"

**Mini-Me** · 11-01-2007, 02:35 AM

Hahaha...I should have edited faster to add my extra points before I got quoted.

Yes, I agree that Epic has a great track record for polishing games with patches, but intentionally letting an unfinished game go gold with the intention of patching it later is not a good modus operandi...some things can wait for patches (minor bug fixes, slightly tweaking weapon balance after players have gotten a feel for the weapons on a wide variety of maps, etc.), but other things are simply related to production values that a finished game should exhibit...there's no good excuse for knowingly letting some things slide on the gold master copy, and it's unfortunate that so many have such low standards that they disagree :/ You're right, though...I should don my flame suit and keep a weather eye for crazed sycophants.

**Omnes Vulnerant** · 11-01-2007, 02:57 AM

I just really hope we don't have another 2k3 / 2k4 episode, where UT3 is the beta game, and then we have a UT3.5 that's a more complete version of it.

**NakhtiUT3** · 11-01-2007, 04:00 AM

Man ... people are really something. I tell you Epic just can't win ... if they delayed it people would be upset and now that it has gone gold people are still upset. Now I know why they do what they want and say its ready when we say it is ready. There is just no pleasing everyone ... this thread clearly shows that.

But me I am not worried in the least because I have been with Epic since 2000 and really got hardcore in 2002 and since then Epic has always been my favorite overall developer because I see how they treat their community ... and to me that is really the most important thing. Especially as a modder ... Epic takes care of it modders like no others. And seeing as how I may be the lead on a new mod coming for UT3 this is what I really care about ... as it is the modders who really keep the community alive and thriving with the support and help of Epic.

So yeah this is why I am so excited and could care less about what happened in the beta. I trust Epic ... that is the bottomline ... and they have never given me any reason not to so far.

**ixiWildflowerixi** · 11-01-2007, 04:03 AM

In a world without law ...
...from the creators of Jazz Jackrabbit ...
... the final battle has begun!

Unreal Tournament 3
The last best hope for mankind.

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Congrats guys! I hope the game will be a success!

Ordered the collectors edition, so don't you dare disapponting me by shipping without having the 2 most severe bugs fixed (shooting without being seen, GUI)!

**McD** · 11-01-2007, 05:21 AM

I really really hope the UI gets re-done, allthough I dont think it will

Hopefully a few things like especially the friends thing and saving favorites will be done.
Anyway I cant wait for the full game to come out ! Its gonna be exciting to see the full graphics and the retail maps and gamemodes !

**Neon** · 11-01-2007, 05:52 AM

Originally Posted by NakhtiUT3

So yeah this is why I am so excited and could care less about what happened in the beta. I trust Epic ... that is the bottomline ... and they have never given me any reason not to so far.

Am very excited too and had trusted Epic too all along... until demo released, which is so obviously terribly Console-d from UI to mouse. Hope they're miracle workers and have restored everything back to the way it's meant to be for the PC

Cheers!

When will it be available in Asia??

**Roz** · 11-01-2007, 07:12 AM

Awesome

**Mental** · 11-01-2007, 09:17 AM

I'm sure that Epic pwned us all and gave us a very early build of UT3 in the DEMO. They are probably kicking back, and cracking up with giggles saying, boy are they gonna be surprised!!!

Congrats on the GOLD! Prepare for massive carnage people!

**Lostsoul** · 11-01-2007, 09:17 AM

Originally Posted by NakhtiUT3

First off I never attacked anyone ... I know what I said ... I defended myself from personal attacks so no I was not in the wrong at all. So you go away please.

/me looks back to page two and so on.... Who quotes who first?

Originally Posted by NakhtiUT3

That is what they do ... so you must be lying when you say you have been playing their games for a long time. They patched UT2K3 a few times and there were no less than 4 patches for UT2K4. The game has gone gold man so if there are any issues they didn't address those issues will be addressed in a patch as they always have done.

That would be normal patching vs a company like EA that will ship a broken game to meet a deadline and then patch. I have never seen Epic ship a "EA broken" game and then fix it. To think that a game never needs to be patched is dumb.

Originally Posted by NakhtiUT3

You can look forward to it all you want ... it ain't gonna happen ... they provided us with a good demo ... much better than a lot of other demos I have played lately and much more enjoyable so now we are all just going to have to wait for the retail version which will be out in three weeks. Before Thanksgiving and I think that is a great thing.

No, it was a BETA demo, How do you miss that? Without Assault, I have no reason to just go and buy it, i need to play Warfare to decide. If not, i will buy Crysis. I can only get one game.

**Felerian01** · 11-01-2007, 09:31 AM

im adding Lostsoul as a buddy ^^
he speaks from my heart *g*

**ScottUT** · 11-01-2007, 09:43 AM

GOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Speaking of gold, I wonder whats waiting in maps this time around....

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/1...llayer1mn8.jpg

**Lostsoul** · 11-01-2007, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by Felerian01

im adding Lostsoul as a buddy ^^
he speaks from my heart *g*

.................

**DarkSideofOZ** · 11-01-2007, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by ScottUT

GOLD!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Speaking of gold, I wonder whats waiting in maps this time around....

http://img530.imageshack.us/img530/1...llayer1mn8.jpg

Is that a Golden Penis?

**[l<eTakLa>l]** · 11-01-2007, 10:54 AM

Originally Posted by fuegerstef

I am from Europe and my Birthday is Nov. 22nd.

Here are my birthday-wishes:

- fixed eyeheight
- 1st person in vehicles and zoomable 3rd person
- a great UI with nice usabilty and a lot of features.

Thanks in advance EPIC.

Also from Europe and also my birthday is on the 22th of november.
I agree that eyeheight have to be fix and also online servers issues.
I'd love a changelog before buying it.

Waiting that day...

**SerialK** · 11-01-2007, 11:20 AM

Congrats!

**Tenebre** · 11-01-2007, 11:58 AM

Good news, GG EPIC!
Again 20 days and we will see Warfare and lot of maps \o/

**intentsly** · 11-01-2007, 12:01 PM

Originally Posted by NakhtiUT3

Uh, do the words public forum mean anything to you. I can post (supposedely) whenever I want to as long as I stay within the rules ... I haven't seen any rules saying otherwise and wearing on people's nerves is not my concern. A public forum is a place where you get to speak your mind. If that is not the case someone needs to update the rules and tell me exactly what I can and can't say and if I am limited to a certain number of posts per day. Otherwise I don't see the issue. But I am going to drop this now ... I said what I had to say and I don't want to get hit with more accusations of hijacking yet another thread. So I am out. And btw I always show respect for people's opinions even if I don't agree with them ... I just don't let people insult or attack me without a retort. Maybe I need to learn to just that stuff fly but it is difficult for me.

Did I say you couldn't speak your mind? People got it after your first chastization that you don't feel the same as others that don't agree with you or have the same sentiment about the OP. The point I was making was that you were like a Chatty Kathy doll, pulling its own string. Keep posting every other post and chastise everyone you don't agree with. If you do so, you will continue to wonder why you get points lobbed against you from the mods/admins. I don't think all the replies to your posts were insulting you. Ever hear of a chip on your shoulder? If you respect other people's opinions, you would not have to put them down or call them liars, right? Like I said, I've done the same thing as you, but have come to realize that its too much/overbearing when you chime in constantly. I can see that sort of thing more appropriate for a chatroom. I know there are IRC chatrooms for this very sort of discussion. Life is too short to be birddogging in forums. Lets just put all this aside and get to killin one another

Intentsly

**NakhtiUT3** · 11-01-2007, 12:29 PM

Originally Posted by intentsly

Did I say you couldn't speak your mind? People got it after your first chastization that you don't feel the same as others that don't agree with you or have the same sentiment about the OP. The point I was making was that you were like a Chatty Kathy doll, pulling its own string. Keep posting every other post and chastise everyone you don't agree with. If you do so, you will continue to wonder why you get points lobbed against you from the mods/admins. I don't think all the replies to your posts were insulting you. Ever hear of a chip on your shoulder? If you respect other people's opinions, you would not have to put them down or call them liars, right? Like I said, I've done the same thing as you, but have come to realize that its too much/overbearing when you chime in constantly. I can see that sort of thing more appropriate for a chatroom. I know there are IRC chatrooms for this very sort of discussion. Life is too short to be birddogging in forums. Lets just put all this aside and get to killin one another

Intentsly

Look you have your way of doing things and I have mine. If my way bothers you so much don't read my posts ... I don't see what is so hard about that. I don't put down anyone who doesn't fire the first shot it is that simple ... if you have proof of me acting otherwise please show it. Who did I call a liar? And I was done with this and had moved on and you brought it right back to me? Why couldn't you let it alone and take your own advice you are giving me now? Did you really think I wouldn't have a reply to this nonsense. Man people are funny ... you tell me life is too short and yet instead of saying meh you decide to write me this post telling me how off base I am about almost everything. How did you think I was going to take that. So what I am very opinionated. I can usually back up what I say which is far less than I see from lots of other people. So this is me ... I have things to say and I will say them but in a respectful way as long as people respect me. As for me quoting the big F on page 2 ... I know him and so I feel pretty comfortable telling him that I don't agree with what he is saying and that people should be happy we got anything and just wait until the retail product is in your hands before you b*tch about stuff ... the fact is noone but Epic knows how far they were and what Beta demo they actually gave us. Like I said I have faith in Epic and I am willing to wait for the actual product before I start making polite suggestions about what bugs exist and how they should be fixed.

Finally I am trying to move past this stuff and talk strictly about the actual game but people keep having something to say to me ... and I am not the kind of person to let that go. If I do ignore you then believe me it is for good and it is like you never existed to me. I don't like to do that because I am an adult and feel that mature people should be able to disagree with eachother without it causing some major conflict so I will always try and talk with a person first ... but if the insults start to get to out of hand then that is when I no longer acknowledge a person and believe me that really angers people when you ignore them. Now I hope that I don't have to talk about this again but something tells me I will.

**Nacher** · 11-01-2007, 12:31 PM

Sorry, but this absolutely deserves the following phrase :

GET A LIFE

**ScuzzBuster** · 11-01-2007, 12:43 PM

I'm getting bummed about all the negativity, though I agree that there are some serious issues that I HOPE are addressed in the release. Keep in mind though at this point that one of the key reasons that people are getting so worked up about fixing some of these issues is because the Beta Demo WAS so good. I think for a majority of long term UT fans our expectations were met and/or exceeded for how solid and polished the core gameplay was. I think if it had been mediocre or non-stellar people wouldn't be so adamant about making sure that Epic takes every step necessary to make this game all it really has the potential to be...which in my eyes is the best FPS since the original UT with a couple of bug/exploit fixes and a little more polish.

**Lostsoul** · 11-01-2007, 01:26 PM

NakhtiUT3:
Is this you?

http://forums.epicgames.com/member.php?u=1164288

**NakhtiUT3** · 11-01-2007, 02:01 PM

Originally Posted by Nacher

Sorry, but this absolutely deserves the following phrase :

GET A LIFE

I will if you will.

**McD** · 11-01-2007, 02:46 PM

Omg ! Stfu will u guys ! Its not a chatroom ffs ! Girls fighting with handbags !

**NuForce** · 11-01-2007, 02:47 PM

Love the graphics and sound make over. I'm still getting used to the physics but find them to be an improvement over UT03&04.

For those hopeful for changes at release time, I believe you're going to be in for a disappointment. UT1999, UT2003, and UT2004 did not deviate far from their demo roots. If you don't like the demo you're not going to like the full release.

I'm sure that a patch will fix some of the minor bugs in the demo.

I'm sad to see the loss of ONS and Assualt. All in all, the game looks promising.

Nu