They could always add those maps to marketplace for free because of the knew microsoft supporting content stuff.
They could always add those maps to marketplace for free because of the knew microsoft supporting content stuff.
Mark will say anything to sell his latest game. This is the guy who said that they cant release the PC Gears of War content on 360 because their engine is sooooooooooooooooo different now. When Gears 2 comes out, he'll be hyping the fact that 360 is so powerful and how they prefer it to ps3!
They made excuses for Gears on PC having the extra content, now they're making excuses for UT3 on ps3.
He'll say anything so you buy every game they come out with.
Release those extra maps as downloads day 1 on xbox live. They have to make the maps anyways for the ps3 version. Or will there be more excuses?
Last edited by SillyMikey; 08-15-2007 at 08:10 AM.
What about the core owners, they wont get it.
They could always add those maps to marketplace for free because of the knew microsoft supporting content stuff. <-- Are you sure?
They can't even made the GOW maps free until 3/9.
M$ is a company which only aims to make money but not making fans
I continue to be disappointed that folks on the internet treat any positive thing we say about one platform as some sort of critique of another platform. We're a multi-platform company folks please come to grips with that. We like the PC. We like the 360. We like the PS3. We like the Macintosh. We like Linux. We will deliver UT3 for all of these platforms and it will rock on every one.
The simple facts state that the optical disc on the PS3 holds more data than the optical disc on the 360. If we exceed size of the 360s optical disc then we'll have to find alternative ways to get the content to 360 users such as making it downloadable. Adding a second DVD to a game like UT3 would be a challenge because when playing online you might not know exactly what map you're going to be playing next and we have to be able to accommodate users of the core system. So does that mean the disc on the 360 might have a map or two less? Possibly although it is too early to tell for sure. People love Unreal Tournament because we always ship it with tons of great content but that also makes it a bit of a disc hog - in a good way
Obviously, and as is true with most major games on 360 and PS3, you're going to be putting your hard drive to good use if you want to experience the full richness of content that UT3 will have to offer over the lifetime of the game. the fact that you can do this is a good thing.
I don't know the exact numbers but I suspect the version of Gears of War that most of our customers play today on their 360s, when you combine the downloadable content with the content on the disc, is larger than what we could fit on the 360's optical disc alone. So clearly there are perfectly good strategies to cope with this situation. We're all very used to downloading extra content for console games and with UT3 there will be lots of it for all supported platforms. In fact the cool thing about our engine is that when you make content for one platform it can run on all of them. If history is any indication, the vast majority of UT3 content won't even come from Epic - it will come from some very brilliant end users with lots of cool and innovative ideas.
When it comes to user created mods on the 360 - we will work with Microsoft to find a way to support them. We just don't have all the answers today and it isn't our chief priority at this very moment because we already have our hands completely full shipping UT3 on PC and PS3 as well as shipping Gears of War on PC. When we get those out of the way, and get a little time to spend with our friends and families, then we'll get back on this issue and figure it out.
Sooo... does that mean the PC / Mac / Linux versions will also have less content? Because the last time i checked most people didn't had a BD drive in their computers. Heck, a lot of them don't even have a DVD drive.
[expanded for clarification, since some people like to criticize without knowing any facts]
The US are not the center of the universe, wich means not every single computer out there has a DVD drive in it.
Pressing 1 DVD is roughly the cost of pressing 4 CDs, that was the reason given a few years back for UT2004s 6 CDs (yes, i know the SCE version came out in a DVD, but that was a limited edition)
I don't think they'll be pressing more than 1 DVD for this game even if it's for the PC. It's probably not cost effective. My 2 cents are on a 1 DVD edition with the missing stuff being available through download, leaving those still living with 56K or without internet unable to access this content.
Yes, there are still people without internet or on 56k modems with machines capable of playing this game. Remember that most UT2003/2004 buyers NEVER played online.
Again, the US are not the center of the universe and the rest of the world is very different from your neighborhood, so don't judge everyone else based on your narrow view.
Last edited by Vinnie_PT; 08-16-2007 at 07:35 AM.
If i don't reply to you it doesn't mean i don't like you, it just means you're an idiot.
CliffyB: "There's nothing i can say right now that won't make me look like an ass****"
Me: Actually there's one thing: GoW PC content coming to Xbox 360
Mark, just in case.. you need not get offended by these newb's. Some people comment before they read..some people comment before they play. It's all part of an open forum where you let people in who just sometimes join to say "epic sucks you like PS3!" then some other guy comes and says "epic sucks cause you like X360!"(you means You as in Mark rein). Now to think of it, aren't those totally contradicting?
All I'd say is, "best of luck to you making a game that makes the history of gaming itself!" "Do what you do best and what you think is really best for the game."
Thanks big time!
With the 360 you play off the DVD, and access additional content on the hard drive. In theory you could just have the Play DVD and an additional content DVD on the X360, just like the PC.
So let's hold off prejudgement right now, okay?
well people also have to remember that typicilly from what i have seen and what a lot of game reviews say is that the 360 typiclly has higher res textures on the same game then the ps3. That alone is gonna eat up disk space.
im really starting to get worried over the future of the xbox 360, with games unable to fit onto a single disc this early on, 360 only been out 22months or so, and already their limitations
«BeyondUnreal Assassins» Live in your world, DIE in ours.
LOL. Some media sources have a habit of twisting the truth to meet their needs. IT'S A CONSPIRACY! LOL. J/K. UT3 itself is not "limited," it is the amount of storage space available on a DVD that is "limited," regardless of platform. In addition to the game, content that is not included on the disc may be downloaded at a later time. It's no biggie.
UNREAL TOURNAMENT III PS3
INTEL CORE 2 QUAD Q6600 2.4GHZ
NVIDIA GEFORCE 8800 GTX 768MB
4GB DUAL CHANNEL DDR2 SDRAM 667MHZ
250GB SERIAL ATA II HDD 7200 RPM
WINDOWS VISTA HOME PREMIUM
Last edited by Dymlos2003; 08-15-2007 at 01:34 PM.
I don't think you really have to justify your comments to this wave of inconsiderate, unrefined rabble who claim a putrescent allegiance to a particular console.
If they are willing to shove their opinions down others' throats, you should do the same.
At any rate, it's a pleasure to see developers in close contact with their fans, in other regards besides quelling fanboy wars.
Besides, what does it really matter if 1/4 of the community has a couple less maps? I played the ut2k4 demo for like 2 years with its 5 or 6 maps because it was always fun. I didn't really care that I had those maps, and after I got the full version and downloaded 12 gigs of maps and mods, I still ended up playing the demo maps, because those were the ones I was fond of and they never got old, mostly because I was always playing with new people.
All in all i think people should just be happy with what they get, but I guess that could mean next to nothing to people coming from a ps3 player. I'll probly end up getting it on pc and ps3, if x-plat play doesnt come around. I don't think pc users have anything to worry about, and even if the 360 is handicapped for a while there will probably be downloadable content for it. Also, I think we should be thanking Epic for their ps3 thing, because I'll bet it heavily influenced M$'s decision to 'support user created content'. If all goes well, someone will find a way to run linux without the limitation of the ps3's hypervisor and then I can just have both versions (linux and ps3) on one machine .
Intel Q6600@ 2.4ghz (eventually 3.1ghz), watercooled
EVGA Geforce 9800 gx2
7200rpm 750gb hdd
And yet I only have ut3 for ps3
So does this mean 360 gamers will be able to download the extra maps that ps3 gamers will get on disc?
360 gamers not only have to wait longer for the 360 version but once its out will we have to wait even longer for a mappack to download the extra maps that come on the ps3 version. Or will the mappack be ready to be downloaded on launch for 360 version.
And last will you charge for these maps on the 360 via MS points or would they be free?
I dont mind having to download the extra maps right away due to 360's disc limitation as long as there free and avaible within a week or two if not thats rediculious especially when the 360 version is coming out months later than ps3 version. But really they should be free and ready day one if they really want to justify that disc limitation is the only reason the extra maps are not included on the 360 disc.
Thanks for the info Mark. I'd gladly delete everything off my 360's HDD if I had to, to enjoy UT3 on it. I figure this will keep me busy for a long time.
I'm also embarrassed to admit, that I did some upgrading on my PC to get in on the action before the 360 version comes out. I guess I should thank you for pushing the 360's release back, otherwise I'd of never upgraded. lol.
Anyway I plan on picking up the PC (can't wait, and want to check out the editor) and 360 version (kick it with friends from UC in coop and all the other great modes).
Thanks again for taking the time to post.
All kneel before that which is Unreal.
Originally Posted by iron12
Can you even read? The 360 drive ... oh why bother...
Thanks Mark, much appreciated.
Losing faith in gamers/people, one forum rant at a time...
I think If i say "lets open a |Poor Mark Rein| relief fund", every one will put in 200$ minimum.
But what you don't know is how much of your map pack is actually content you already have available to you. When making a map for an Unreal Engine based game you can reference any item of content from any other package available to you. That package could be a custom mesh or sound in a different map, or a previously compiled package of meshes and textures.
The only content you need in your map pack is the stuff specific to the maps themselves.
As I'm sure you can imagine (being a computer engineer and all) being able to reuse content from multiple sources can bring down file sizes significantly.
yes I read his post and I also commented on it in my post. My problem with that is that 360 users may have to pay $59 for a game with less and then another sum just for the extra content. This is a possibility. If I hear they offer it for free then that is a differant story. Bottom line is that I wont pay $60 for less than the other guy. That constitutes a rip off. Screw core users, offer the maps online for free and i am happy.
Anyways is this process just used if a developer chooses so and is it not used because of it being more difficult to impliment? Or is it from just porting a single game around. You cannot really port this implimentation to another system that cannot make effeciant use of it so it would have to be a ground up build.
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i think I'm going to become insane because of the Internet...i swear...
as it's always been, you could run the OS of some removable medium... early on, you had the entire OS start up on a floppy... then you swapped floppies around depending on what you did... didn't need a HDD. HDDs came a little later. i had an 8088 clone with a whopping 30 MB drive... it was the shnitz!
nowadays... you could have an OS on either a flash drive or a "live" CD/DVD... so you could run without HDDs... but the actual purpose now isn't to run without HDDs... but to be able to run your stuff on any computer without having to "install yourself" into those computers.
like i said though, it's a technicality.
unless you're one of those people that always wants to be "on the go, light and easy"... then you're gonna want a HDD.
on the flipside... anyone that has a "gaming PC" and still doesn't even have a DVD... are turds... need i say more?
Last edited by Goobers; 08-15-2007 at 04:45 PM.
Sorry guys. for those interested in procedural geometry games this is the right link, the last one only went to a screenshot.
The game takes 96kb not 180kb. Sorry about the misinformation
i just knew someone was going to call me out on that...
there's a bit more to it than just level generation.