Vow of Silence

**Tmack674** · 03-08-2007, 10:56 PM

can you make your list of marauding gang of coolguys?

**The Evil Hat** · 03-08-2007, 10:56 PM

Originally Posted by Tmack674

can you make your list of marauding gang of coolguys?

am i in it?

**Tmack674** · 03-08-2007, 10:58 PM

yeah list ur people in 'marauding gang of coolguys'

**The Evil Hat** · 03-08-2007, 10:59 PM

oh i am so pissed, i just realized that thsi was longer than betrayal, NNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i lost to a flame fest.

**Kulluminatii** · 03-08-2007, 11:00 PM

Originally Posted by The Evil Hat

oh i am so pissed, i just realized that thsi was longer than betrayal, NNNNNNNNNNNNNNOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i lost to a flame fest.

Its ok....you still beat Against All O...nvm....lol BUUURRN.

No joking bro, it was basically a spam fest in my topic. Oh well, hopefully that changes with Chapter 3.

**Tmack674** · 03-08-2007, 11:01 PM

lmao suck fo you wang chung!

**Black Asgard** · 03-08-2007, 11:01 PM

I fixed the very front post. Check it out. I hope its less offensive now.

**AJFederation** · 03-08-2007, 11:51 PM

I leave for only a couple hours to come back and see this... good grief. I thought it was a simple intercession to fanfic writing. But damn.

Let me just put in a bit of advice here. I've been through several forums, one of them for a long long time, and farewell, or resignation threads are not wise. If you're going to leave, just leave without a word or much of a hint. You drop a farewell/resignation thread and most will look at it as you taking a dump on the forums before leaving. They'll say it's ego-stroking, and it may very well be that. If you have a few buddies around here, just let them know you're taking off. Don't tell them the reason why, just let them know you're going. That's it. You'll hurt a lot more dropping a thread like that versus just walking away. Trust me. Been there, done that, and wish I didn't.

BA, you have my compliments from the last PM I sent you. It'll be somewhat odd not seeing any new fanfic from you here for a while. At least you'll be around to keep up with things.

And to be honest, since you're not going to post anything new I'll have a good chance to catch-up with the rest of the fanfics around here.

**XxMarcusxX** · 03-09-2007, 06:29 AM

Originally Posted by Dalina

were you typing without looking?!

He was blind folded!!

**The Evil Hat** · 03-09-2007, 06:45 AM

Originally Posted by XxMarcusxX

He was blind folded!!

yeah! thats a good excuse

**Black Asgard** · 03-09-2007, 07:27 AM

AJ, I fixed the front post. It wasnt ego stroking or taking a dump on the forum, it was looking for encouragement before I set out on a 100,000 word undertaking that will keep me from writing anything else.

And, AJ, just out of curiosity, were you so deeply involved with so many people? I think I may have hurt more feelings just up and leaving, because people would have been looking for advice and editing and encouragement, and it wouldnt have been there all of a sudden.

I guess it was offensive to some no matter what, but that was never my intent.

**The Evil Hat** · 03-09-2007, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by Black Asgard

AJ, I fixed the front post. It wasnt ego stroking or taking a dump on the forum, it was looking for encouragement before I set out on a 100,000 word undertaking that will keep me from writing anything else.

And, AJ, just out of curiosity, were you so deeply involved with so many people? I think I may have hurt more feelings just up and leaving, because people would have been looking for advice and editing and encouragement, and it wouldnt have been there all of a sudden.

I guess it was offensive to some no matter what, but that was never my intent.

although i thought that you had stopped editing...so it was all a lie? im hurt *goes off in corner to cry*

**Black Asgard** · 03-09-2007, 09:14 AM

Sorry, Hat, but the sudden push of fan fics into my PM inbox made me decide to just edit pilot fan fics for new comers...the established guys were so good I didnt think they needed help.

**AJFederation** · 03-09-2007, 02:05 PM

I think I am being misunderstood more often than I thought I could be. Can't leave much in general any more.

BA, I know you fixed the front post. It's all PC now. Conveys the same original message I read before, so no biggie. I know it's not a grand departure. You tried to correct me on that much earlier in the thread, and I told you, "I know." So pick up the hint that what I last said wasn't to you, or about you. Only thing directed to you or about from that last post was "Ba, you have my compliments..."

To answer you question, yes, I was deeply involved. In a community of 50 people where we talked about beliefs, politics, and personal opinions as well as personal situations, we couldn't be anything but close to each other. Some people would up and leave, and we wouldn't notice until a month or so later when someone would say "Hey, where's so-and-so?" Most of the time people would try to reach the MIA member, but things would continue on here. Few people would give their notice to say they are leaving because where they're going they don't have time the internet discussion or things like that.

Whenever someone was leaving out of a disagreement or animosity, it was just ugly. No one wants to hear how someone else thinks they contributed to a flamefest, or made it worse for them, or be the cause of someone's departure. When I decided to leave I should have known better. I should have simply walked away, and PM'ed those who I cared about. Because of my departure I'm not welcome to come back. To this day they still reference my leave at once every month since.

To be quite honest, I wish I could go back sometimes. But I don't want to do more harm than good.

**Black Asgard** · 03-09-2007, 02:13 PM

..that wasnt exactly what I meant by deeply involved, but it is certainly something special. Gears of War Crazy is developing into a small cult society where we talk about anything and everything, and everyone helps one another.

But by 'deeply involved', I meant that you were involved with their work in some way...believe it or not (and im not bragging), Ive been involved in some way with about 75% of the fan fics on the board, be it editing, helping with plot, just reading it because I was asked to before it released, and what not.

But I thank you for your compliment, AJ.

By the way, I got two thousand owrds of the fist chapter finished today, before my little brother (whom I was baby sitting) crapped himself and ruined my writing 'appetite.'

**AJFederation** · 03-09-2007, 02:19 PM

My apologies. I should have stated that I was with them for about 5 years.

**Black Asgard** · 03-09-2007, 02:27 PM

Ah, that changes it

. That is pretty involved. lol

**The Evil Hat** · 03-09-2007, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by Black Asgard

Sorry, Hat, but the sudden push of fan fics into my PM inbox made me decide to just edit pilot fan fics for new comers...the established guys were so good I didnt think they needed help.

yeah i know, i was kidding. you said ypu mcoudl but it would take a while to do each one and i just wanted to get 4 and 5 out before i left

**Black Asgard** · 03-09-2007, 04:53 PM

Hat...I have no idea what you just typed...lol

**The Evil Hat** · 03-09-2007, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by Black Asgard

Hat...I have no idea what you just typed...lol

fine ill retype it, i said: yeah i know i was kidding. you said that it would take a while till you ahd time and i really wanted to get four and five out so i just posted them

**Black Asgard** · 03-09-2007, 05:05 PM

thank you for typing it with your hands, not your tongue. lol.

**The Evil Hat** · 03-09-2007, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by Black Asgard

thank you for typing it with your hands, not your tongue. lol.

my tounge is an awsoem typer, thansk you very much

**WaldoRtk7** · 03-09-2007, 05:06 PM

you can type with you tongue!? That is insane!

**The Evil Hat** · 03-09-2007, 05:07 PM

Originally Posted by WaldoRtk7

you can type with you tongue!? That is insane!

i know! i deserve a cookie!

**Black Asgard** · 03-09-2007, 05:19 PM

Hey Waldo, wassup? You got AIM bro?

**WaldoRtk7** · 03-09-2007, 05:27 PM

Not at work,

, I do at home though my screen name is the same as this one. I love simplicity!

**Jadzia** · 03-10-2007, 05:22 AM

Wow am I ever late to the party....

I have no idea BA what your first post originally read as, but even now that you've edited it, I have to agree with what some people have said in here.. it doesn't really make sense to create a thread like this and have a poll.

Some people (as you can see from some of the posts in here) will view it as ego-stroking, although I know that wasn't your intention. You are a great writer and as you mentioned you've had thousands of views and hundreds of comments on your stories (which by you even mentioning is a bit boastful.). We all know there are other writers on here who don't get even half as much feedback and have been upset about that. Honestly they need encouragement so to see this thread here asking for encouragement when you've received TONS of it and tons of feedback and you're going to write a novel now and you're not even leaving the forums.. it just doesn't make sense in my mind.

Often to make big announcements about leaving or other changes just bugs people.. becuase honestly... it's a big ol' internet out there and most people don't really care.

I never got a chance to read Warren yet.. I just havent had the time... I hope to some day. I'm not voting in your poll but I will say good luck with your novel I'm sure it will be great. I loved WarPath... AWESOME story and once I get a chance to read Warren i'll leave you feedback for that as well.

But you know.. you're not actually leaving the forums you said you're just not writing anymore new fanfic.. since yo'ure busy working on a novel.. you could have said that at the end of the Warren thread or in the FanFiction thread.

Anyways.. also to xxMarcusxx.. dude... that's ridiculous that you feel you have the leave the forums and then come back under another name. so what you pissed some people off and hurt some feelings...you apologized here... I'm sure that's enough. It's the internet.. we all piss some people off.. everyone is not going to like everyone else.. to say you're going to leave over this.. come on.. .well whatever.. to each their own.

So good luck to everyone with whatever you choose to do.

And with that, I honestly think this thread has been closed.. it's run it's due course.

**Noir Endings** · 03-10-2007, 08:46 AM

Seeing as I haven't read your fan fiction or your posts for that matter, or even know you to a small extent I can't say that I shall be crying at night that I will be deprived of your stories.

**Black Asgard** · 03-10-2007, 10:42 AM

Thanks noir, I appreciate it...

And Jadz, remember that most fan fics are about 15,000 words at most. I write the longest chapters out there, all of them above 3500 words, some of them brushing 5000 and nearly filling two full posts. Writing a novel is a lot different than writing a small fan fiction. For one, it wont be publicly available, so I wont be able to see what people think of it and alter the course if it gets dull. I have to go on my own wits. And you dont just sit down to write a 100,000 word piece. Thats an undertaking of days, maybe weeks of planning, months of strenuous typing and careful attendance to the plan, and then months more of editing. In that time, there is plenty of space to get disheartened and abandon your projects. I have before, like I did on my first real sci-fi novel. I couldnt find a reader because my friend was out of town for the summer, and my family just doesnt care.

And I got this seed of doubt in my head that made me nervous, made me worry. And it spread with each day until I was revolted by my own writing. It was so poisonous and vehment a feeling that I couldnt write for months. And each time I started anew, I found that my storylines felt weak, even though my friends said they were awesome.

So having a real public response to my writing helps. My famil, as I said, displays no interest, and in fact tries to deliberately route me from going through a story, because they dont believe it to be a true career. My estranged father lies and tells me he reads them, but wont answer a single question i have for him, thus proving the lie.

By having a poll, I could look back and see the people who care, and the people who want to read it. The other one was to make the poll fair. I dont really care if you dont...I just want the ability to feel the encouragement of the ones who enjoy my writing saying that theyll miss having my chapters posted.

So again, Im sorry if this seemed rude or unnecessary, I grappled with the idea for a long time before i hit the submit button, and I regret the poll now, because so many people seem offended by it, but I havent ever been a part of a serious forum before this one. I was pretty entwined in the Bungie.net forums, but come on...there isnt much intelligence in the public forums.

So I apologize, as i have before and apparenlty will continue to do. But I wanted that encouragement before I stepped off into the darkness with nothing but an outline and a laser pointer to write my novel.

(note that usually when people undertake a novelization, they have the unwavering support of flesh and blood friends and family...I dont. I have you guys and my girlfriend, thats it.)

**Noir Endings** · 03-10-2007, 11:23 AM

You shouldn't expect your family or anyone for that matter to help you get the confidence to write. You are your own best critic, don't let others bother you about your work. If you think its good then it is and no one else can say otherwise.

**Black Asgard** · 03-10-2007, 12:06 PM

I have the confidence to write, this is going to be my second novel.

But having someone to talk to when the going gets tough helps. Noir, how much do you write? Not to be rude, but any author whos written a substantial amount can tell you that sometimes you run into kinks in your plot you didnt forsee, and it helps to just be able to talk it out. My family is the exact opposite. My brothers have destroyed my files, my mother is comepltely discouraging, my friends dont have the time of day.

Can we just let this thread die? It seems that it constantly causes offense and arguements. I concede, it was a bad idea, and I guess encouragement will only cause harm (given from what Horizon, AJ, and Noir have stated, and even to a degree Jadz). So just let it die.

**Noir Endings** · 03-10-2007, 12:47 PM

I have being writing since I was six. So far I have written four novels for exam purposes and have already written twenty three issues for my upcoming comic book in July. Its good to see another writer asking questions about stuff but in the end we should never rely on other people to give us confidence as it will just lead to us feeling put down.

Thread Dead.

**Black Asgard** · 03-10-2007, 01:23 PM

Really Noir? Im intrigued. Define Novel for exam purposes? Ive never heard of that. Is that like a really long paper? And what comic are you publishing? Id like to see some of your work. but then, I am still a 'kid', Im only seventeen. Is it s wrong to look to others for a bit of support?

Ive heard a few different definitions of Novels recently. Some peolpe define it as anything above 20,000 words. Others define it as a long paper. But as fare as I know, the Publishing world defines it as anything above 60,000 words.

**Jfab** · 03-10-2007, 11:07 PM

hmmm obviously this thread wont die, thanks to black responding to everyone lol

**Noir Endings** · 03-11-2007, 10:24 AM

Yeah these were 50,000 word papers, mostly about drug takers and people getting over big obstacles in their life. My favourite that I have done was about a female artist who uses human body parts for art. I think that one was around 62,000 and something. A novel means a piece of fiction that goes over a rather long length that always has a plot.
For now my graphic novels are none of your business.

**Black Asgard** · 03-11-2007, 11:33 AM

Thats a fair definition.

Can this thread die yet??

**Rivercurse** · 03-11-2007, 03:01 PM

Not really, sunshine.

Good luck with your novel though.

**The Evil Hat** · 03-11-2007, 09:25 PM

i know a author shouldnt need feedback to do feel confident or anythign but im nto like black. i havnt written a novel and completed three fanfics. ive been writign since i was sevena nd havnt completed anything more than 5000 words. i dotn have a lot of confidence in my writing. if i even get one or two replies it lets me know it is good and that i didnt waste my time. if i get none i start to doubt. is it bad? is anyoen readign it? shoudl i even bother to continue it?

**AJFederation** · 03-11-2007, 10:05 PM

Well like he cryptically said, this is so he doesn't lose steam while writing. Plus, he knows he has fans of his works, and people interested in how he progresses. Rather than having people claw and beg for him to write a new fanfic he makes an announcement of what he is up to. Very cool.

Keep that engine going, BA! Or we'll bring out the whip!

**Jfab** · 03-11-2007, 10:49 PM

lmao i can picture black working on a book stopping and AJ whipping him, screaming at him to keep going

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