Swearing and Cussing in UT2007

[Piglet]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4u_48u_jpA

Hmmm - from what I could hear the bots appear to have an "extended vocabulary" from what they had in UT2004.

Please Epic, could you ensure that there is a client and a serverside option to remove those phrases.

If you're running a server with 'no swearing' as one of the rules then having the bots effing and blinding isn't going to help. That rule does appear to help create a nicer atmosphere to play in for many people.

Yes - I know it's a rated game and blah blah blah not kids blah blah - heard it all before.

[Garcia y Vega]

Im sure there will be an option to disable the 'mature taunts'. Isn't there already one in UT2k4?

[»{EID}«-Silenoz]

Yeah there is. And the game is a mature title. i mean the only thing i heard was **** and damn. What i dont get is why would you wanna turn it off? Is it like to strong for people's virgin ears? What i'm trying to say is if people would even buy it for there kid's or what ever they can read the back of the box. If ut2007 has voip like ut2004 the bot's cursing is the least of your worrie's. just my thought's

[placebo]

I heard, uh, "feck" as the Darkwalkers came by.

[Scylla]

I think that only a client side would be the best option. I don't think you should be able to prevent other people from hearing them if they want to (server side option).

[Piglet]

Some people have problems reading :|

it's a rated game and blah blah blah not kids blah blah

On a server where you have a no-swearing rule and the players hear swearing they're likely to swear. Hense the option of a serverside switch off in the same way you have the option for serverside taunts off in UT2004 (not that it seems to work).

[Slaughter]

+ 1

Server side should be an option. Plus, if the bots are dropping F-bombs (and I hope NOT) it will only encourage those who tend to use in-game text chat and VoIP as their own personal verbal toilet even more.

[Entil'Zha]

anti-swearing is a big joke imo, even in UT2004, there are servers with a text chat filter where players can still do voice taunts all the time like "Suck on this" "die *****" and you know the rest

What you're saying is that people will be encouraged to swear if they hear it, come on now

idd I heard it all before
and yes it's a mature title
and yes you blow up people, which means you can allow extreme mayhem but swearing is out of the question, this sounds like too much hypocrisy to me, this is not TV

just my $0.02

[Molgan]

just my $0.02

Sorry your check bounced.

[Monster w/21 Faces]

I love how you think it's perfectly acceptable to blow people to pieces with rockets and riddle their bodies with bullets but God help you if theres SWEARING! HOW VULGAR! BAN THIS FILTH!

[Tenspeed]

I love how you think it's perfectly acceptable to blow people to pieces with rockets and riddle their bodies with bullets but God help you if theres SWEARING! HOW VULGAR! BAN THIS FILTH!

Yeah thats why I have never understood this censoring language crap.

[Entil'Zha]

And even more so... by disabling swearing serverside how is that going to stop the player from swearing on 1000+ other servers.
This will only make the server admin in question happy so he can say look I have a cussingfree server.

Yes for a client option, so you can turn it off for your kids (and let them slaughter cussfree)
No for a serverside option which is pointless

[2th]

A serverside option isnt needed. The game is rated M for a reason. If you have to worry azbout johnny 12 year old in your server and the bots are sayying F*CK then that is a problem of his parents buying the game and letting him play it. I personally have all taunts diabled because i find them really annoying and distracting. Serverside controls are nothing more than another way a mserver admin can make the game less fun. For the first few months of 2k7 i will have taunts on and i will be damned if some self righteous server admin will tell me i cant have a bot say F*CK or SH*T or DAMN. It is MY choice to listen to the bots. Not some server admins.

[Fusion]

Yeah thats why I have never understood this censoring language crap.

Everytime someone appeals to a ban, we get the same question. People clearly dont understand why we enforce these rules untill they have actually played a game at our servers. And since I can fully understand a lot of you wont actually do that to see it with your own eyes, lemme grab a quote from one of those ban appeal threads.

I also read the rules and I wonder though why there's non-swearing rule on this server. i've heard about 'family server' but i don't agree with it since it's a violent game in which no children (that can't handle swearing) should be allowed (that's my idea of it).

Example (this happens just a few minutes ago):

--- Log started on 2006/7/25 23:27:52
=== Onslaught.ONSOnslaughtGame ONS-ChainsIsle2 ResSltMut,PowerCoreVolumeControl,ONSPlusMutator,Mu tNoSuperWeapon,MutUTAN
883.08 CHAT +plus+ gg
884.39 CHAT Salami.T32 o/
889.02 CHAT -=KillingCobra=- scheisse
899.90 CHAT -=KillingCobra=- lol
1050.75 CHAT Mr_Miyagi.T32 waxup all
1086.05 CHAT +plus+ gg
1087.36 CHAT <===>_Barbarian gg
1088.89 CHAT K.nikul gg
1089.43 CHAT Th1rt3en lolllll
1089.65 CHAT -=KillingCobra=- lol
1096.25 CHAT Salami.T32 like that map..
1096.30 CHAT RockeTLobsteR my ass hurts
1099.78 CHAT Mr_Miyagi.T32 did we win?
1104.79 CHAT STRIKER_GER_2006 na endlich ma nen sieg
1105.12 CHAT -=KillingCobra=- aaaa
1111.28 CHAT Reaper.T32 tmi rocketlobster
1113.90 CHAT -=KillingCobra=- ****
1121.75 CHAT TDOG gay
1125.07 CHAT TDOG hahah
1125.45 CHAT -=KillingCobra=- my ass
1133.51 CHAT -=KillingCobra=- lol
1137.43 CHAT TDOG u suck
1143.84 CHAT Mr_Miyagi.T32 don't swear here please
1149.02 CHAT -=KillingCobra=- **** u
1152.13 CHAT Reaper.T32 and keep it nice

Now, this match, just a few hours ago:

--- Log started on 2006/7/25 21:47:36
=== Onslaught.ONSOnslaughtGame ONS-Nevermore-ECE-T32-ZBeta3 ResSltMut,PowerCoreVolumeControl,ONSPlusMutator,Mu tNoSuperWeapon,MutUTAN
40.70 TEAMCHAT Centurion 3 on manta
44.88 TEAMCHAT omegaFanta.T32 aye
54.63 TEAMCHAT Centurion the last drives
117.41 CHAT Xenogear first time playing this map
143.05 CHAT Templier_FR lut / hi
163.97 CHAT Han[OSS] aw not again
176.58 CHAT Lucid_Angel-TLSC hi
180.48 CHAT Templier_FR hi
182.95 CHAT Han[OSS] hi
195.22 CHAT Apocalypse jesus, i am so out of practise
207.69 CHAT Lucid_Angel-TLSC hate this map
224.31 CHAT [RN]Steve CIAO NAVARRO!
230.84 CHAT Apocalypse 'nother server?
236.32 CHAT Lucid_Angel-TLSC please
239.67 CHAT Apocalypse kk
250.68 CHAT Apocalypse lol arthur, looking for a nother server now
262.87 CHAT King_Arthur
274.95 CHAT Lucid_Angel-TLSC looking for another server arthur
287.33 CHAT King_Arthur no problem, i'll follow again
354.93 CHAT Han[OSS] uneven again
470.11 CHAT Han[OSS] wth
479.05 CHAT [RN]Steve CIAO NAVARRO!
482.17 CHAT ElNavarro ciao
517.29 CHAT [RN]Steve FINALMENTE ROSSO!
572.86 CHAT Han[OSS] ok.. I give up.. just win already
926.56 TEAMCHAT Centurion 6
991.02 CHAT Han[OSS] nice shot
996.22 CHAT Caliban.T32 evening all!
999.36 CHAT Woolly_Sheep hi
1000.53 CHAT StuManchu.T32 hi
1000.80 CHAT Han[OSS] hi
1001.30 CHAT Centurion lo
1001.52 CHAT fu_ni yo
1019.30 CHAT omegaFanta.T32
1183.83 TEAMCHAT Caliban.T32 to 4
1204.69 CHAT Han[OSS] amazing.. useless exit button
1329.05 CHAT Caliban.T32 gg
1332.07 CHAT Centurion gg
1333.27 TEAMCHAT omegaFanta.T32 gg team
1334.31 CHAT Templier_FR chiotte
1335.40 CHAT [RN]Steve GG
1335.65 CHAT iiizootiii gg
1338.51 CHAT SyberMile gg
1341.19 CHAT StuManchu.T32 gg played blue
1342.29 CHAT ElNavarro grande steve
1345.64 CHAT Fluffy_BunnyT32A at least i killed cent a few times
1349.56 CHAT StuManchu.T32 and red
1349.72 CHAT Centurion lol
1350.65 CHAT [RN]Steve GRANDE RUBIO! :-d
1365.24 CHAT Centurion i got u the first time
1367.15 CHAT [RN]Steve NE FAI UN'ALTRA ?
1369.33 CHAT Fluffy_BunnyT32A muh
1373.60 CHAT Centurion haha :P
1375.08 CHAT Fluffy_BunnyT32A didnt count
1387.28 CHAT Centurion count for 2
1390.06 CHAT Centurion :P
1402.04 CHAT Centurion what a heat
1407.29 CHAT Caliban.T32 bye, off to TAM
1408.22 CHAT Fluffy_BunnyT32A yup
1411.17 CHAT Fluffy_BunnyT32A cya
1413.67 CHAT Centurion tam?
1415.86 CHAT omegaFanta.T32 heat + muskitos here
1415.97 CHAT Centurion mmmmm
1426.26 CHAT Xenogear XD
1426.91 CHAT omegaFanta.T32 lot of m
1426.97 CHAT Centurion aaaaa muskitos
--- Log closed on 2006/7/25 22:9:18

In your honest opinion. which match seems like the players had more fun?

[Jrubzjeknf]

I'm encouraging bots swearing. People will always swear, no matter what. And what'd be cooler than a bot replying to Johnny-12-year-old's 'F*ck you!' with 'Well, f*ck you too!'

[Entil'Zha]

there was an a$$hole in the first game and none in the second
what's your point ?
serverside filters will turn a$$holes into friendly and cool players ? No, they will just find another game, place or event to show off

[Monster w/21 Faces]

Everytime someone appeals to a ban, we get the same question. People clearly dont understand why we enforce these rules untill they have actually played a game at our servers. And since I can fully understand a lot of you wont actually do that to see it with your own eyes, lemme grab a quote from one of those ban appeal threads.



In your honest opinion. which match seems like the players had more fun?

OH BOY! I sure do love reading chat logs!

[Fusion]

No, they will just find another game, place or event to show off

Ehm. yes. Thats what we are trying to achieve. Keeping the asshats out and the players who like to have fun in.

[Entil'Zha]

Ehm. yes. Thats what we are trying to achieve, keeping the asshats out and the players who like to have fun in.

So in your opinion every server should have these kind of filters
Get rid of all the cussing in UT ? Is that how you want it then ?
No more cussing and there will be no more a$$holes ?

What makes it "fun" for me is the smack talk (which is already in the game itself) that goes hand in hand with the violence in the game. Sorry that's how I will always see it

[Fusion]

So in your opinion every server should have these kind of filters
Get rid of all the cussing in UT ? Is that how you want it then ?

Hell no. We dont care what happens to other servers. We just want to be able to control ours.

Edit: If people want to talk smack, thats totally fine by me. Just not on ours.

[Monster w/21 Faces]

Then just kick the few asshats instead of limiting everyones language.

Sometimes, just sometimes saying 'good grief' isn't enough, sometimes I just want to shout removed

Is that so much to ask?

[Entil'Zha]

Hell no. We dont care what happens to other servers. We just want to be able to control ours.

So it's not about the swearing, right? They can do that on every other server you say. Well that's my (and others) point exactly.
It's self-righteous and you will be happy with it, not someone who stumbles upon your server.

And they will do it somewhere else. So it's not about making the "game" friendlier (which isn't to start with)

[RogueLeader]

A clientside option to turn if off won't hurt anyone. I'm not gonna use it, cause the bottaunts make a certain part of the atmosphere in offlinematches to me and I don't wanna have bots in onlinegames anyway.

[Fusion]

Then just kick the few asshats instead of limiting everyones language.

Lemme guess, you are one of those "rights to free speech" players? Servers are dicatatorships. The serveradmins set the rules and people have to abide by it or go somewhere else. Without rules > chaos. We dont want to limit the language, just keep the atmospere nice.

And with over 2 years of experience, we KNOW the atmosphere is at its best if you draw a line and that line is drawn with swearing. Ever heard a teamkiller / cheater / shoutcaster / "fill in random annoyment" use proper, friendly language? This is just a quick and easy way to sort the good from the bad.

We dont force people to play on our servers. If they dont like it, there are tons of demo servers where they can misbehave all they want (and boy, do they!).

[Monster w/21 Faces]

Nope, I'm one of those 'doesn't enjoy removed admins' and 'doesn't tolerate little hitlers' kinds of players.

[Jrubzjeknf]

So what's this about? Swearing, bots swearing on a server where there arent any bots anyway, or chat filters?

Chat filters dont work: fcuk, f49907, die motherfather!
Bots swearing on a server where there aren't any bots anyway, kinda solves itself. If they're on anyway, then the client decides whether or not they want to hear mature taunts, or even taunts at all.
For swearing, spawncamping, laming, asshatting, vehicle stealing, deemer noobing and teamkilling, there's kickvote or an admin.

CAN WE GET IT OVER WITH BY NOW?!

[Monster w/21 Faces]

But you have to THINK OF THE CHILDREN!

[Trailboss3]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m4u_48u_jpA

Hmmm - from what I could hear the bots appear to have an "extended vocabulary" from what they had in UT2004.

Please Epic, could you ensure that there is a client and a serverside option to remove those phrases.

If you're running a server with 'no swearing' as one of the rules then having the bots effing and blinding isn't going to help. That rule does appear to help create a nicer atmosphere to play in for many people.

Yes - I know it's a rated game and blah blah blah not kids blah blah - heard it all before.

Right there with ya Piglet


Rule number (2) for these forums. (Although seemingly not well enforced yet)

[02] Be respectful to other members! It is our goal to create a clean forum for the discussion of Epic’s games. Cursing, swearing, personal attacks or retaliations are not welcome here and will not be tolerated.

+ 1

Server side should be an option. Plus, if the bots are dropping F-bombs (and I hope NOT) it will only encourage those who tend to use in-game text chat and VoIP as their own personal verbal toilet even more.

I know it certainly drags the game down a lot for me when people have a very small vocabulary.

[Jrubzjeknf]

Well, for singing kids over voip there's also kickvote =D

*edit* was in reply of Monster.

[Entil'Zha]

So what's this about? Swearing, bots swearing on a server where there arent any bots anyway, or chat filters?

Chat filters dont work: fcuk, f49907, die motherfather!
Bots swearing on a server where there aren't any bots anyway, kinda solves itself. If they're on anyway, then the client decides whether or not they want to hear mature taunts, or even taunts at all.
For swearing, spawncamping, laming, asshatting, vehicle stealing, deemer noobing and teamkilling, there's kickvote or an admin.

CAN WE GET IT OVER WITH BY NOW?!

Yep that about sums it up

[Fusion]

Nope, I'm one of those 'doesn't enjoy removed admins' and 'doesn't tolerate little hitlers' kinds of players.

I think you just showed why we want to be able to remove all kinds of swearing, including that of bots.

Edit: And kickvote is not an option, since its abused a lot.

[Monster w/21 Faces]

Why? Because someone told you where to put it?

[Jrubzjeknf]

Edit: And kickvote is not an option, since its abused a lot.

Then set the kickvote limit higher

[Flak]

Right there with ya Piglet


Rule number (2) for these forums. (Although seemingly not well enforced yet)

Actually it is, it helps though when people report posts. Hard to keep up.

[Fusion]

Then set the kickvote limit higher

Then what is the use of kickvote, if you need more then half the server to vote for it to work?

Lemme put this topic back on track. All we want is to be able to turn off the most exsessive forms of bot taunts, thats all.

[Trailboss3]

Actually it is, it helps though when people report posts. Hard to keep up.

<3 Flak

[Scylla]

I don't understand rule number two of this forum. Why is there swearing in the game that this very forum is based on yet there is no swearing aloud here?

Anyway, you shouldn't take insults from people (or swearing) on the internet seriously. If you take them seriously then just leave the internet now.

Then what is the use of kickvote, if you need more then half the server to vote for it to work?

So it's a majority vote, and not three friends/idiots who just want a guy to leave.

[Fusion]

Actually it is, it helps though when people report posts. Hard to keep up.

[OT] Then get more admins [/OT]

[Monster w/21 Faces]

Actually it is, it helps though when people report posts. Hard to keep up.

That's right folks! Don't forget to report your family, friends and neighbors should you come to believe they oppose our glorious new regime!

[Fusion]

Thank you faces. You just reaffirmed why we do the things we do.

Me calls for a lock.