wepons that take the wost skill and those that do not

[legacy-Murder_Machine]

yo ive ben around looking for the wepon that takes the most skill.


what do you think the wepon that takes the most skill is?

[legacy-xPEACEx]

Shock rifle take the most skill, but every one has there own opinion on the subject.

[legacy-ShakaM]

I think the shock is one of the one's that take the least skill.

But for the most skill I think that the stinger and grenade laucher take the most skill.

[legacy-BlackKnightOfH8]

RipJack and the Bio take the most skill.

Stinger and GL don't take any. Rockets hardly use any. Flak slightly needs some skill because it's so easy to reject you have find ways to shoot it with out getting it slapped back in your face. Shock takes skill but not to much. The only hard part is trying to tell how far the ball is from the target.

[legacy-LK_Foxknight]

RipJack and the Bio take the most skill.

Stinger and GL don't take any. Rockets hardly use any. Flak slightly needs some skill because it's so easy to reject you have find ways to shoot it with out getting it slapped back in your face. Shock takes skill but not to much. The only hard part is trying to tell how far the ball is from the target.

Blindly firing nades around corners = minimal skill

Firing nades at precise angles so that it directly hits someone far away and to bounce them on wall so that is hits them from behind or to the side = skillfull

And the shock rifle is MUCH easier to use than the stinger.

[legacy-Murder_Machine]

i say rip jack and stinger take the most skill.


rocket and shock rifle take no skill.

[legacy-xGRAVITYx]

Lol if rockets and shock require no or minimal skill then how do i easily lay down other rocket and shock users. Ok rockets are relatively easy to use but not to use well, no one can hit rockets everytime but if you wnat proff of the skill diference between rocket users then play me... i rarely miss GT: Gravity Z.

And about shock, it is far more skillful than Bio.... Bio auto aims, it has a huge hit box, it is easy to use, so easy i dont like to use it. Ok i accept that the shock is easy to use if you stand still to hit the combo but how many good players do that? Play Tragic X or ShinDeon Z and you will see just how skilled shock is.... non of you will compare to them which is funny as you all think shock takes no skill.

You have to understand that rockets and shock look like thay have no skill in the hands of a noob who stands still to hit there shock cores or spams single rockets however play a GOOD rocket and shock player and you will see just how skilled these weapons can be and you realise that you cannot use rockets and shock half as well as other players proving that they take skill, i rate shock as beign easily the most skilled weapon because i play with the best shock users on a daily basis and see just how good they are and some of the combo's these guys hit are insane, its much more skilled than charging up a bio and target locking before throwing it in the air whilst someone jumps for an auto aim instant kill lol.

IMO Shock and Flak take the most skill because i have never meet one good flak user as it is incredably hard to hit someone with flak whilst they are constantly wall jumping. The grenade launcher can be skillful if you are timing when to blow up the grenade in someones face as that is half of what you have to do with shock, however if players just spam primary fire then everyone knows the nades auto aim in to the player meaning that you dont even have to aim that well to get a hit.

[legacy-xPEACEx]

Owned...

Sh0ck unskilled.. u must be having a laugh. all players who say that cant jump and hit there combo's, personly i can wall jump and still hit my combo's. how can the wepon which reqires the most aiming be unskilled LMAO

U have to predict the player with a combo, get off the floor so they cant hit you and aim at your combo to blow it up. In comparison sniper is just one sh0t.

[legacy-Acid_2_140bpm]

IMO, Any weapon in the hands of a good user takes skill. However, if you were to list the weapons that are the most easiest to use it would probably be like this:

(Keep in mind, these are the most easiest weapons to the hardest in the hands of skillful players)
Rocket Launcher
Bio Rifle
Shock Rifle
Stinger
Grenade Launcher
Flak Cannon
Ripjack
Sniper Rifle (Scoped Fire)

[legacy-capdog]

I would say that the ripjack and the stinger are the hardest to get used to. I don't mean to charge up the ripjack the whole time either, I mean to incorporate the primary and the mines, and I believe the stinger has to be used with quite a bit of cunning.

[legacy-blackm0n]

how is sniper hard all you do is aim and shoot

[legacy-Acid_2_140bpm]

how is sniper hard all you do is aim and shoot

[face_raised_brow] ...right, cause we all know your target will always be still.

Obviously it takes quite some skill to pull off a couple shots on moving targets. Not to mention that when using the scope, you're left with minimal visibility unlike the other weapons.

[legacy-ShakaM]

Lol if rockets and shock require no or minimal skill then how do i easily lay down other rocket and shock users. Ok rockets are relatively easy to use but not to use well, no one can hit rockets everytime but if you wnat proff of the skill diference between rocket users then play me... i rarely miss GT: Gravity Z.

And about shock, it is far more skillful than Bio.... Bio auto aims, it has a huge hit box, it is easy to use, so easy i dont like to use it. Ok i accept that the shock is easy to use if you stand still to hit the combo but how many good players do that? Play Tragic X or ShinDeon Z and you will see just how skilled shock is.... non of you will compare to them which is funny as you all think shock takes no skill.

You have to understand that rockets and shock look like thay have no skill in the hands of a noob who stands still to hit there shock cores or spams single rockets however play a GOOD rocket and shock player and you will see just how skilled these weapons can be and you realise that you cannot use rockets and shock half as well as other players proving that they take skill, i rate shock as beign easily the most skilled weapon because i play with the best shock users on a daily basis and see just how good they are and some of the combo's these guys hit are insane, its much more skilled than charging up a bio and target locking before throwing it in the air whilst someone jumps for an auto aim instant kill lol.

IMO Shock and Flak take the most skill because i have never meet one good flak user as it is incredably hard to hit someone with flak whilst they are constantly wall jumping. The grenade launcher can be skillful if you are timing when to blow up the grenade in someones face as that is half of what you have to do with shock, however if players just spam primary fire then everyone knows the nades auto aim in to the player meaning that you dont even have to aim that well to get a hit.

A bio-rifle user is a sitting target, they have no defense while the bio is fully charged. If they miss, it takes a good while before they can reload again, so if you are good with rockets then you can kill a bio user without worrying about a reflection.

[legacy-Captain_Karkos]

The Grenades don't have any auto-aim. They have proximity detonation, but if they aren't direct they won't do as much.

Bio has auto-aim while it is hoping around, but not when it is in the air. It does have a huge hit box, but no AA.

[legacy-xGRAVITYx]

A good bio user will fire the charge up shot and then change to an explosive weapon so they wont be defenceless. I thought the bio had auto aim because i have made stupidly insane shots with it before, however the massive hit box could give the apperance of auto aim. Due to this hit box i personally see bio as easy to use in comparison to shock and sniper but meh. With the grenade launcher primary nades do auto aim in slightly when bouncing along the floor as far as i am aware, i may be wrong but other players say this aswell, either way i do not think that the nade launcher is very skillful when people spam primary nades however it is more skilled than rockets when people use secondary fire and detonate the nades in a players face.

With shock you have to predict your enemy's movement to correctly place a core and then whilst jumping and moving in order to dodge there fire, you then have to hit that core, which is why imo shock is far more skilled than bio etc. But then i am biased as i use shock the same way im sure a bio or nade user would say that the weapon they use is most skilled

[legacy-ShakaM]

Exactly, I can say that pizza is the best food in the world, but I would just be saying that because I like it.

But anyway I have clumsy fingers, so I can't use the shock for long range only mid-range (plus my stick is starting to mess up due to old-ness). [face_cry]

[legacy-Captain_Karkos]

No. I have tested the Grenades for that since people accused me of having auto aim. But if you shoot a grenade at an angle into a wall, thn have someone slowly move closer to your line of fire every time. The trajectory will remain the same.

So, the only auto aim is on the Bio whne it hops around on the floor. Lets not forget that it homes on the user aswell.

[legacy-Murder_Machine]

ill state this ripjack is hardest and rocket is lowest.


any one can be a rocket whore but to day i got called a ripjack whore with 13 kill 00 D E A T H S

i for one use ripjack and stinger

the stinger can be used like a vamp's wepon?LOL?

[legacy-M3gaD3th]

lining up headshot with ripjack while they r flying around is hard!

[legacy-Cecchino]

im with acid on this one the sniper is probably one of or the most skillful weapon to use because if you can hit your target when they are wall jumping or jumpin around and shocking you or rocketing you then you have some skill because you have to move the most with the sniper or your screwed believe me that is the gun that i use the most and its hard as hell you try using a snipe in another persons server and getting a head shot its hard ask acid hell tell you i play with him when hes on so dont bull**** your selves by saying the sniper takes no skill your a *** if you do yeah if you primary no not at all but scopedits hard so all you ***s that think it takes no skill to use the sniper you all suck and need to get headshotted by me

[legacy-xPEACEx]

^^^ By ur writting i feel u have issues, these threads are pointless, people think what they think and some guys arguing wont effect that.

[legacy-xGRAVITYx]

Lolz, whos this crazy kid thinking hes the ownage when most of the good players have left the game??? Sniper does take some skill but lets face it, its pretty easy to use. I rarely used it and found that i could own kids with it so easily (in Midway before you say i was on my server). Most players get such lucky headshots, the circle of awsome gamers iused to play with always laughed at the random headshots (i remeber fireshafts random headshot 2 seconds into a game lol).

I believe sniper is overpowered for this game and is one of the easyer weapons to use, i may find this becasue im used to aiming due to being a big FPS fan (I played RTCW, CS ,GR ,UC1 etc) so i dont struggle to hit a moving target, but still weapons like shock you have to predict your oponents movement, fire a core, jump around to avoid enemy fire, and then hit the combo you shot out afew seconds earlyer, compare this to a sniper which has minimal delay from pressing the trigger to hitting the target. Guns like shock are just so much harder to use to a high standard. Im not sayign sniper is a noob gun, im simply saying that it is much harder to use shock effectively (by that i mean jumping to hit insane combos). if you dont believe shock takes much skill you should have played ShinDeon Z then you would no just by seing his insane combos. [face_peace]

[legacy-Tug_Soldi3r]

all i have to say about this if rockets are so easy to use, howcomes there is only a selected few that have went a 1-1 ratio with me, and shock is way more skillful than stinger lol, its an insult to say biorifle is "skillful". i was playin with it to day and i got so many kills that missed the opponant on screen...

sniper can be skillful if ur playin a good player and scoping but otherwise its not.

i wud have to say in all honesty flak is the most skillful weapon

[legacy-augy]

I think this is an interesting question.

Acid's statement that "any weapon in the hands of a good player takes skill" is almost there, but I'd say it like this: "any weapon in the hands of a good player is played with skill." In fact, I'd make that the definition of a good player. Rockets are basic, once you learn that it's more about timing than aim, you'll find yourself winning rocket v. rocket battles all the time.

So, to answer his question, I would say that the weapon which requires the most skill is the weapon which is hardest to be effective with. Which definately puts flak at the top of the explosive list. As for energy, I'd probably make it the stinger. Just because the opponent has so many options available to him to make hitting with the stinger very, very difficult that consistently owning with the stinger is hard to accomplish (off-server, anyways).

As an aside, I do think the reason the best players prefer rocks/shock/snipe more than other combinations is that they are the most conducive to winning. They allow you to employ your superior skill in aiming and movement most effectively. They tend NOT to use, say, the bio, because alot of things, often beyond the user's control, have to go right for the bio shot to land, whereas with the snipe if you see them, you can kill them. And the rocket launcher is similar--you don't have to hit every shot, just one triple rocket when they land, and you win. You can miss every other time. Other guns don't quite work like that, and are furthermore effective only at certain ranges and/or situations (like being above or below an opponent). Like the flak. When a rocket user would have a fatal triple rocket shot waiting for somebody around a corner, with a huge margin of error in aiming and massive splash damage, a flak user's best bet is to lob a secondary, which will do a max of (if memory serves) 90 damage, has a relatively small splash damage, travels slower and has a parabolic path instead of going straight at the opponent. Same skill required, but the rocket user has already won and the flak guy needs to hit them again. So, the flak requires "more" skill, but that's just because it's a worse gun.

[legacy-Captain_Karkos]

[face_applause]
Well said.

[legacy-xGRAVITYx]

Meh i guess that is a true statement. Flak is very hard to compete with againsnt a good rocket user, and the stinger is probably the least effective energy weapon making it harder to use effectively. I would agree with acid that every weapon can be skillful when used by a skillful or good player [face_applause]

Imo the most effective (therefore easyest to use) energy weapon is the Sniper because i personnaly find it very easy to dominate a map with, especially in survival.

[legacy-Tug_Soldi3r]

sniper is by far the easiest weapon no dought, thats why i stopped using it, just because you can adapt the sensitivity to hit almost all the time, in my eyes it not skillful unless u play across seas with it. with no lag its just to much of advantage.the way i use sniper is acceptable, but others just use sniper to kill in a big server, that is just wrong. i pick off my opponant with one shot to hurt them then rocket whore. but others just seem to snipe whore all the way, and as i play survival it shows no skill in my eyes. stinger is the hardest to kill with if u base on full health, but a good player aint gonna use it in that way, once they are beyond half health, stinger is too effective(primary), and the stinger is easily whored with; nimble and ethareal. all energy weapons are abit whorish, but i still stay with a shock, as the better players stick out with the shock, as do they with rockets. sniper,stinger,goop all seem to have 3 skill bouderies; noobs,good, just whorish thats really it. u can also say the same about rockets and shock if u use adrenalines but i only use heal.

[legacy-imperialmagix_god]

all weapons take the same amount of skill

[legacy-Captain_Karkos]

all weapons take the same amount of skill

Wrong.

[legacy-imperialmagix_god]

u wish it was wroung it all matters what u are better at

stinger u must be able 2 shoot them and keep on them or alt shot u must be able 2 use it at right time cause its easy 2 reject

rockets u have 2 shoot the person an know where they are going 2 go same with alt shot

bio works the same but u have 2 play more ahead if u use alt shot cause its slower but if u even get close 2 it ur dead and if u shot it behind them if their backing up blob will jump towards them

sniper needs for u 2 have good aim but it is much more powerful

shock rifle u have 2 be able 2 hit balls for it 2 kill them in one shot which most people do

granade u have 2 use walls around u 2 kill them person with normal shot i think that is or alt shot and get them 2 walk on granade

rip jack i am not 2 sure about it never used it but what i do know its alt shot is like rockets and its main but is pretty fast just use walls around person

melee if u can rehect or use shield dont use melee best way 2 use it is 2 surpise soemoen unless u major pro with it

flask u must shoot ground not them directly or person will be aBLE 2 DIEFLECT IT EASY

but it all really matters how much u practice and use that gun they are all even some people are just so good at them and other people cant use them well cause that not how they play or their not use 2 it if u have anything else 2 add about weapons plz do

[legacy-Noobie_Incorporated]

I think head shots w/sniper and headshots with the rip-jack take most skil most definitely. Stinger is one of the more easier weapons but there are also skillfull shots with almost all the weapons- distance shots with rip, rockets, nades, and distance flack shots also mid-air shots, hits during fast-paced movements, consistent skills there is difference bet. spamming and taking the time to make sure you are gonna get your shot before you shoot it that is skill. But if playing with frantic players sometimes makes the game bring up to the pace. I'm still learning everything but I think rip-jack headshots and sniper headshots take most skill. Skill opinion also depends on how much the person with an opinion on skill level has used certain weapons which would make it seem as if less used weapons take more skill. If they have become singularly proficient with a certain weapon then other weapons may seem as if they take more skill. Other than skill i think grenade launcher is one of the most fun and entertaining weapons in the game but I like em' all. For the love of the game. UC 2 YeaH!

[legacy-Noobie_Incorporated]

I think rip-head shots are most difficult. Flak is not difficult the secondary lob is very easy to use if practiced with and the primary is intended for close-encounters as it is compared to in unreal's description of the weapon,"shotgun-like fragments" as the explosive ammo is detonated in the chamber of the weapon and shot out. I think skill is determined by the user. One shot, one kill. If enough time is taking it can be done nearly every time it is when you fire just to fire that you normall miss. But when you know your shot is gonna hit every time and you don't let go or pull the trigger till you know that person is already dead that is taking the time to be a good shot and employs certain levels of skill. Consistent headshots with sniper and ripjack are most difficult for me. esp. rip-jack. It all depends on what you use the most and have practiced the most with. You get good w/ one weapon, but slack off on using another so it may seem more skillfull or harder to use. I started off using flak so it was my best weapon. Flak and sniper just like alot of other video game shooters I had a distance weapon and a close range weapon. It dependes on what you use the most sometimes. There are skill-full shots some players make them more consistently and often than others. Some people use less ammo to make those shots. rip jack consistent head shots are hard as hell to be consistent with then again I haven't practiced much with it and somebody else may have practiced just that and gotten good with it.

[legacy-IxSKOOTYxI]

[face_pumpkin] defanitely SNIPER AND RIPJACK require far more skillz than the rest buuuuut bio and stinger r hard 2 argue with[face_thinking]

[legacy-BlessedApathy]

Id say shock needs alot of skills depending on the situation. If someone isnt too bright and does nothing but go through the same routine (eg. walk back and fourth, jump of walls non stop etc.) then its easy to determine where they're going to be, but if they're completely random then it's really hard to use. Just the who guessing where the person is going to be is hard with shock.

Bio is sort of hard to use at distances but up close it nothing. Huge hit bonus and splash damage.

[legacy-Neccor]

It depends on how you argue. Rockets are a prime example. Rockets are easy to use and kill with. Spam and wait for thier death. Zachior uses rockets very well and i sometimes found it hard to reflect. Every weapon is easy to use. Some are harder to use skillfully.

Flak: Based on personal expierence, It's one of those spam weapons that are deadly with uber skill. I alkways seemed to have a nack at chucking the balls just off to the side and smack them with shrapnel before coming in and finishing them off with my big stick.

But let's not forget the coup de grace. It is hard to pull off in a small stage with seven other people, but beautiful none the less.

With coup de grace, let's not forget them melee users (counting me, Neccor) I have fought numerous 'melee experts, mainly jugernauts, and have slaughtered them all. Like with the other weapons in this game, it's about three things. Expirience, timing, and skill.

Damn, I want to play now. Unfortunally I have since cancelled my X-box live account seeing as my funds were running low and stuff. May pick this game back up if I ever get a 360

[legacy-Tug_Soldi3r]

"Every weapon is easy to use. Some are harder to use skillfully."
that is one of the most well made statements ive seen on this forum.

rockets - over powered, compared to the explosives. easy to reject though

sniper - no lag, deadly. if sensitivity is right, cant really lose with this gun.

stinger - every1 that was good with this gun was in their server, apart
from nation, but he was in BPM server most of the time. i sucked with it

bio - i think its too easy when using it short range, but long range is skillful

shock - every good player used this most. can be cheap, depends how its used.

melee: not skillfull in the slightest.

ripjack: slow single rocket IMO.

grenade: spamming

Flak: Most patient weapon, easy to kill melee whores, but against rockets or ripjack it is abit of a struggle

[legacy-HANdoesitbetter]

Ok WOW if you guys said that THe GL or SNiper is the most skilled weapon in the game then you need to be shot and killed where you stand

GL-Spamming primary or just secondary blasting-Easiest Weapon in THis game.0/8
SNiper- Following the people around untill they land then fire-Easiest Energy weapon1/8
Flack Cannon-Secondary shoot like the The Gl hoping it hits em/ Primary you shoot it like the sniper wait till they land or up close.2/8
Goop- Its pretty easy just follow them around and predict untill they stop or you can midair em 3/8
Stinger- its hard to keep the aimer on them but holding a button is no skill 4/8
Rockets-Takes patience and skill...especially midairs 7/8
Shock Rifle- I respect anyone who is good with this...you have to time the distance and predict where they are going and place a ball and shoot..7/8
Ripjack-(Broken/RoK Traumatic)-the best ripjack in game...This weapons secondary is one of the hardest to play with because it is so slow..8/8.if you spam primary and get a lucky headshot 3/8

Keep in mind that the ratios our of 8 are the skill levels

[legacy-x_ZerK_x]

wtf.... rip jack most skillful. and rockets.

pft.

im sorry but rox are easy and so is ripjack.

mid airs maybe skillful but everything else to do with those weapons is not.

[legacy-HANdoesitbetter]

So you think grenade launcher or flak is harder than those 2?

Bless me with your wisdom Jamin...

[legacy-x_ZerK_x]

if you dont spam. then the flack and grenades are alot harder to use because of their lack of damage.

if you tried taking down tug with a flack and he had rox.... it wouldnt happen.