Camping Big Style

**legacy-Myree** · 06-25-2004, 12:26 PM

Just read a lot about the likes and dislikes against camping. There is a certain pleasure and sence of satisfaction when you get a tank and sit a hill overlooking the last enemy node and base camp. You can sit there and kill every guy that respawns at the base camp. Is it sporting...... my view is it piss's off the other team big time, u get lots of points, and your team wins

**legacy-jqvander** · 06-25-2004, 01:54 PM

i believe that if you can do it then it's fair game unless you are installing outside programs or whatever it is you have to do to use a speedhack or aimbot etc...that crap is just wrong but any other game stuff is fair just as long as you are having fun doing it....if they don't like it, then they could just leave or go and kick your butt...

**legacy-Mostly_Harmless** · 06-25-2004, 02:37 PM

anything you do with out hacking or modifing anything in the original game (except if the server has certain mods running) is fair game, atleast IMO

**legacy-senshu** · 06-25-2004, 04:05 PM

It's fair game, but it is NOT sporting. Why not just have fun doing that to bots, instead of pissing people off?

**legacy-HardSpike** · 06-25-2004, 06:54 PM

Originally posted by senshu
It's fair game, but it is NOT sporting. Why not just have fun doing that to bots, instead of pissing people off?

I agree.

The gentlemanly thing to do when meeting an opponent in battle is to face each other, turn around, walk 10 paces then fire.

GIVE ME A BREAK.

**legacy-Mephitic** · 06-25-2004, 07:23 PM

You will soon find that spawn camping is one of the lamest things you can do in ONS. Everyone I know will simply leave the game when that is going on. Sniping is a valid combat technique but spawn camping on or about character or vehicle spawn points is bogus.

**legacy-VenomZER0** · 06-25-2004, 09:48 PM

I've never seen anyone leave a game because of spawn camping.

You know you just TAKE THEM OUT.

You will die a few times but you respawn fast enough in ONS to be able to get a couple of shots off with your respawn protection.

That's what it's for.
Leaving the game like that is the equivalent of whining.
And then you probably lost your team the game, being 1 man down.

**legacy-senshu** · 06-25-2004, 09:59 PM

Originally posted by HardSpike
I agree.

The gentlemanly thing to do when meeting an opponent in battle is to face each other, turn around, walk 10 paces then fire.

GIVE ME A BREAK.

My post was in reply to the person who said it was sporting, sorry I didn't quote them. No one's saying you have to be a gentleman out there, I'm just saying try not to be an ass. We have enough of them.

**legacy-senshu** · 06-25-2004, 10:01 PM

Originally posted by VenomZER0
I've never seen anyone leave a game because of spawn camping.

You know you just TAKE THEM OUT.

You will die a few times but you respawn fast enough in ONS to be able to get a couple of shots off with your respawn protection.

That's what it's for.
Leaving the game like that is the equivalent of whining.
And then you probably lost your team the game, being 1 man down.

Okay, let's go in a server and I will come to your base with a tank and spawn camp you. It is true that eventually you will be able to take me out, but you will die probably close to a hundred times before you finally destroy my tank. Please let's do this because it will be a lot of fun for me, and you won't get frustrated and leave.

**legacy-Incubus188** · 06-26-2004, 02:25 AM

I won't leave the game but when your last node is the only one spawning and there are mantas flying all over your core spawn killing it gets a bit annoying!

**legacy-BWRyan** · 06-26-2004, 03:35 AM

I don't believe in spawn camping any node in which, at that time, you can't damage. And it's not that I have a gaming morality issue with it, I just think it's a waste of time. Like somebody said, you're going to keep respawning, and eventually the tank is going to go down. And you're not using your team's tank in a way that directly benefits them.

**legacy-senshu** · 06-26-2004, 03:54 AM

Originally posted by BWRyan
I don't believe in spawn camping any node in which, at that time, you can't damage. And it's not that I have a gaming morality issue with it, I just think it's a waste of time. Like somebody said, you're going to keep respawning, and eventually the tank is going to go down. And you're not using your team's tank in a way that directly benefits them.

Sure you are: you're tying up members of the other teams and keeping them from helping out against your team.

**legacy-denzil.echo** · 06-26-2004, 07:31 AM

Spawn sniping is a fair only if U follow the "Everything is fair in love and war"... yeah sure, U can do it, just climb a hill, with a WEAPON and start shooting...

U can call it fair, but U can't call it sporting!!! U can't even call it playing!!! It's probably possible in the game only so the game would attract more people to play it...

I think that campers are nothing but cowards...try to get in a face-2-face combat and THEN kill somebody...

You are just trying to convince yourself that U are worth something by killing other players like that...it's not about WHO WINS..it's about HOW YOU PLAY!!

take a minute and think about this...and this goes 4 all the campers..

P.S. with exception to game modes where it's about strategy and teamwork..sniping 2 cover Ur teammates is totally legit!!

**legacy-senshu** · 06-26-2004, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by denzil.echo
Spawn sniping is a fair only if U follow the "Everything is fair in love and war"... yeah sure, U can do it, just climb a hill, with a WEAPON and start shooting...

U can call it fair, but U can't call it sporting!!! U can't even call it playing!!! It's probably possible in the game only so the game would attract more people to play it...

I think that campers are nothing but cowards...try to get in a face-2-face combat and THEN kill somebody...

You are just trying to convince yourself that U are worth something by killing other players like that...it's not about WHO WINS..it's about HOW YOU PLAY!!

take a minute and think about this...and this goes 4 all the campers..

P.S. with exception to game modes where it's about strategy and teamwork..sniping 2 cover Ur teammates is totally legit!!

Right on, man. You can do it, but it just shows your lack of sportsmanship. Someday we'll need online referees to eject players with too many cheap shots. Just kidding, but who knows? And you also covered the fact that there ARE times when it's appropriate. For example, someone defending their flag is going to be camping, and that's perfectly fine.

But MOST, not all, of these kids playing have no idea what sportsmanship is. They didn't play any sports as kids and have no idea WHY sportsmanship even exists.

**legacy-denzil.echo** · 06-27-2004, 01:41 PM

Originally posted by senshu
But MOST, not all, of these kids playing have no idea what sportsmanship is. They didn't play any sports as kids and have no idea WHY sportsmanship even exists.

yeah, that's because they ARE kids and still haven't figured out what are the two of us here talking about

but U know, we shouldn't blame the kids..it's the PARENTS!!!

pih, a classic story

enough joking..I look at all of this as a question of honor..I simply find camping BELOW myself cause I can do better and I AM better than hiding and shooting from a safe distance..if I wanna sneak around and do that I'll play Aliens vs. Predator 2 (with the Predator

)...

P.S. Let me know if they ever DO open an online referees to eject players with too many cheap shots

**legacy-WiglyWorm** · 06-28-2004, 03:34 AM

you guys seem to have it covered pretty well i'm just gonna pitch in this:
I hate when people call defending/sniping/holding a strategic area "camping"

camping has a negative air to it in games like this, and if you've got a sniper rifle on a tall tower, or a rocket launcher behind a rock at a well used pass, it's strategy, not camping. *shrug* it just annoys me to hear it over used.. spawn camping though is lower than low and anyone who does it better be in the 8-12 range and think they are doing a good job giggling away, if they actually know what they are doing though they deserve castration.

**legacy-denzil.echo** · 06-28-2004, 05:09 AM

U know you're right Worm, that's not camping but purely strategy and tactics...and if campers had any of that (OR skill

) they wouldn't B campers..

**Xyx** · 06-28-2004, 06:53 AM

Originally posted by denzil.echo
You are just trying to convince yourself that U are worth something by killing other players like that...

ONS is about destroying power cores, you know?

Spawn camping helps since it prevents that team from effectively taking their node back.

I don't mind when it's done to me. I just respawn a couple of times and spam Link at the tank. :up:

Originally posted by denzil.echo
it's not about WHO WINS..it's about HOW YOU PLAY!!

Seems more like it's about how you think we should play.

I'd rather have teammates that value practicality and efficiency over "honor" (LOL, it's just a game).

How 'bout you keep seeking people out for single combat while the rest of us play ONS, k?

*puts up flame retardant shield*

**legacy-senshu** · 06-28-2004, 08:22 AM

Originally posted by Xyx
I'd rather have teammates that value practicality and efficiency over "honor" (LOL, it's just a game).

Your loss. Using cheap tactics can certainly help a team win, but you usually just look like an ass while doing it. You'll probably never know the satisfaction of not resorting to cheap tactics and winning a match with "honor". It is just a game, but that's no reason to not have honor.

Originally posted by Xyx
How 'bout you keep seeking people out for single combat while the rest of us play ONS, k?

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How 'bout you're entirely missing the point? First of all, this is applicable to all gametypes, not just ONS. Second, there's nothing about ONS that demands cheap tactics. On pubs I'm usually the highest scorer on the winning team and I do it without using any cheap tactics. I play with "honor" and I usually win. Usually, you only play cheap if you don't have the skills to do it the right way.

**legacy-denzil.echo** · 06-28-2004, 09:14 AM

he he..thanks Senshu.. this Xyx really got it all wrong...:haha:

listen, Xyz, obviously the "honor" thing I'm talking about you don't know nothing about.. spawn camping is not excusable (did I spell it right

)..cause if you want to put it this way-in real war that is not possible..because there IS NO spawning..so I guess YOU would probably go to the hospital and kill all the newborns or what

?? I mean, look at the real war, they actually RESPECT the hospitals and the buildings that are marked (red crosses on the roof) as such.. I don't know if you've ever seen a real war, but I have (very little fortunately..ever heard of Croatia??) and our hospitals had their rooftops marked with red crosses with white background and ANY respectable human simply wouldn't drop bombs an a building like that..to make it worse, there ARE people that do that!!!

So that was a little lesson about honor..I mean, so was my last post but you simply didn't get any...

**Xyx** · 06-28-2004, 09:47 AM

Originally posted by senshu
Your loss. Using cheap tactics can certainly help a team win, but you usually just look like an ass while doing it.

That's a matter of taste. I don't see it that way when it's being done to me, but I do think you're doing your team a disservice if you don't take advantage of opportunities. But hey, if that floats your boat, then be my guest. You paid for the game, play it how you will. It would be nice if you could extend the same courtesy to others, though. Try not to enforce your beliefs, just go with the flow. Lead by example. If your way is demonstrably "better", people will come around eventually.

Originally posted by senshu
Usually, you only play cheap if you don't have the skills to do it the right way.

Ah, the "campers have no skill" reasoning. :up:

Have you ever considered that you don't have to walk up to someone and make sure they see you before you try to frag them? If you pass under my crosshair, should I abstain from pulling the trigger because you are "not ready"? This line of thought only applies to the type of people that insist that sniping from the Face towers is unsportsmanlike conduct. I consider teamkilling/laming/idling to be unsportsmanlike, but I consider sniping part of the game. If it weren't, then why does the game support it in so many many ways?

Originally posted by denzil.echo
I guess YOU would probably go to the hospital and kill all the newborns or what??

Are you comparing a game to the horrors of real war? :weird: Do you think that comparison holds up? If it would, then why are you shooting people? Xan has a mother too, you know.

**legacy-senshu** · 06-28-2004, 11:55 AM

Originally posted by Xyx
That's a matter of taste. I don't see it that way when it's being done to me, but I do think you're doing your team a disservice if you don't take advantage of opportunities. But hey, if that floats your boat, then be my guest. You paid for the game, play it how you will. It would be nice if you could extend the same courtesy to others, though. Try not to enforce your beliefs, just go with the flow. Lead by example. If your way is demonstrably "better", people will come around eventually.

Ah, but you see, my way of play does not ruin the online experience of anyone else. So by your reasoning, I paid to go to college, so I can do whatever the hell I want while there. You may be trying to pay attention in class, but I don't want to, so I'll just smack you in the head all day. Give me a break, people will come around? It's been demonstrated that crime really doesn't pay, but people don't come around. If you want the quicker and easier path of the dark side, you're going to take it.

Originally posted by Xyx
Ah, the "campers have no skill" reasoning. :up:

Have you ever considered that you don't have to walk up to someone and make sure they see you before you try to frag them? If you pass under my crosshair, should I abstain from pulling the trigger because you are "not ready"? This line of thought only applies to the type of people that insist that sniping from the Face towers is unsportsmanlike conduct. I consider teamkilling/laming/idling to be unsportsmanlike, but I consider sniping part of the game. If it weren't, then why does the game support it in so many many ways?

Hmmm...I didn't say campers, specifically, but yes, most of the good players you run into online are NOT campers. Taking someone out who doesn't see you and camping are two different things, so your question is pointless. Camping has it's place and it SHOULD be done in CTF, BR and ONS. In any other gametype that person is just an ass. And Facing Worlds is a great map for *******s to sit there and snipe each other, but you're right: that can't be unsportsmanlike if the game supports it. So if I play on a server with team damage enabled, and I TK everyone, it isn't unsportsmanlike. And then you reference "laming"...what in the world would you condsider to be "laming"???

Originally posted by Xyx
Are you comparing a game to the horrors of real war? :weird: Do you think that comparison holds up? If it would, then why are you shooting people? Xan has a mother too, you know.

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First of all, people on your side of this argument do that all the time. It's only a matter of time until we hear it from you. Second, he was merely pointing out that even in an ACTUAL war there is SOME honor. If we played an actual physical sport there would be some honor, if only because you'd be facing actual repercussions for your behavior, unlike online where the veil of anonymity has given you and your ilk "power" to be a$$holes without fear of consequences.

**Xyx** · 06-28-2004, 01:43 PM

Originally posted by senshu
my way of play does not ruin the online experience of anyone else.

You think? How about the times you let your team get owned because you pass up critical opportunities? The only difference is that your sun-optimal contribution can't be traced back to you because nobody can tell whether you did it on purpose or whether you simply lack the tactics to do better.

Originally posted by senshu
Camping has it's place and it SHOULD be done in CTF, BR and ONS.

LOL, then what are we arguing about? If someone is sitting on his ass in DM waiting for people to walk into his crosshairs and getting maybe one frag per five minutes, what's that to you? What do I care if someone is laming around in a free for all match? If it were TDM, they'd be holding back their team in about the same manner someone trying to break their Daredevil record or looking for "honorable" face-offs is holding back their team in ONS/CTF/BR.

**legacy-denzil.echo** · 06-29-2004, 03:19 AM

guys guys...I don't think anyone here will make the other one turn his belifes (Spelling

??)...

You think? How about the times you let your team get owned because you pass up critical opportunities? The only difference is that your sun-optimal contribution can't be traced back to you because nobody can tell whether you did it on purpose or whether you simply lack the tactics to do better.

that's kinda the whole point here..it's not about winning no matter the cost!!! you on the other hand are not gonna let your team lose no matter what..well, WHY??? it's just a game man.. PLAYED (!!!) for fun....repeat: a game PLAYED 4 fun!!!.. there are some people in this world that simply can't stand to lose!! you have to be a bigger man to admit to losing that to win sometimes..actually in most the cases. Sometimes, it doesn't mean you're less of a man or a coward if you walk away from a fight (talkin'bout real life now

)...do you understand what I'm talking about here Xyx or are you just gonna twist my words again like U did with my war comparison earlier?? well, don't do it just try to get to my level (no offense..u seem intelligent enough - that's a compliment)..cause, let's make peace, not war

**Xyx** · 06-29-2004, 04:31 PM

I understand you perfectly. I consider myself to have "honour" just as much as you do, both in Real Life and cyberspace. Our definition merely differs on some tiny points like spawn camping in ONS.

**legacy-Nightbear6** · 06-29-2004, 08:17 PM

I think that if it works, it works. However, I'm not really a fan of it myself and usually make it a personal goal to take out the guy camping in a tank while on foot

**legacy-PacMaan2004** · 06-30-2004, 12:28 AM

Originally posted by Myree
Just read a lot about the likes and dislikes against camping. There is a certain pleasure and sence of satisfaction when you get a tank and sit a hill overlooking the last enemy node and base camp. You can sit there and kill every guy that respawns at the base camp. Is it sporting...... my view is it piss's off the other team big time, u get lots of points, and your team wins

True, but what a boring way to play a match - dont forget its only a game, its meant to be fun for everyone - who cares about points once the match is over they're gone; get off yer lazy camping ass and get stuck into some node battles!! Win, lose, its all the same whats important is the journey there, as long as you and others had a blast and a bitova laugh thats all that matters.
Of course this is just my opinion i aint saying its right or wrong; you do it whatever way u want but your way is no fun for anyone but you - if you're really that selfish why dont u just play offline. :weird:

**legacy-senshu** · 06-30-2004, 12:58 AM

Originally posted by PacMaan2004
True, but what a boring way to play a match - dont forget its only a game, its meant to be fun for everyone - who cares about points once the match is over they're gone; get off yer lazy camping ass and get stuck into some node battles!! Win, lose, its all the same whats important is the journey there, as long as you and others had a blast and a bitova laugh thats all that matters.
Of course this is just my opinion i aint saying its right or wrong; you do it whatever way u want but your way is no fun for anyone but you - if you're really that selfish why dont u just play offline. :weird:

:up: :up: :up: Good stuff! :up: :up: :up:

**legacy-denzil.echo** · 06-30-2004, 02:52 AM

Originally posted by PacMaan2004
True, but what a boring way to play a match - dont forget its only a game, its meant to be fun for everyone - who cares about points once the match is over they're gone; get off yer lazy camping ass and get stuck into some node battles!! Win, lose, its all the same whats important is the journey there, as long as you and others had a blast and a bitova laugh thats all that matters.
Of course this is just my opinion i aint saying its right or wrong; you do it whatever way u want but your way is no fun for anyone but you - if you're really that selfish why dont u just play offline. :weird:

HA, HA!!!! ABSOLUTELY GOOD STUFF:haha:

**Xyx** · 06-30-2004, 08:32 AM

While UT isn't the most sniperish game out there, plenty of FPS players like sniping gameplay. And not just when they're the only ones doing it.

**legacy-senshu** · 06-30-2004, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by Xyx
While UT isn't the most sniperish game out there, plenty of FPS players like sniping gameplay. And not just when they're the only ones doing it.

Yes, quite obviously the anti-snipers are in the minority. That's obviously what everyone was so upset about losing from UT99 to UT2k3: the ridiculous sniper rifle. Bunch of tards.

**legacy-jamie1224** · 07-01-2004, 08:03 AM

You guys are too funny! There is no such thing as dishonorable camping in ONS or AS.

In ONS, you're trying to occupy more territory than your opponent. Spawn camping is pretty much impossible in ONS except for the powercore. Don't you guys remember that you can't spawn at a powernode that's being attacked? And if you're being spawn camped at your powercore, so be it! That's the other teams job. Taking you and the powercore out is the only thing that should be running through an onslaught players mind. They shouldn't be worried about if they've got the appropriate attire for the occasion.

Only two things to say about AS. Firstly; in assault, camping is known by another name ====> Defending! Secondly, anti-spawn camping falls on the map designer to prevent. Do you guys remember the early versions of that crappy map AS-Catrace? About the only thing I can't stand is something with the strength of an Ion Tank spawning that close to the Attacker's spawn, with no protection. Once again though, this is the map designers problem, not the defenders. That's three things, huh?

Honor? This is not war guys, this is the wholesale degradation of human life for sport! This isn't to win some honorable prize, or to prove the worth of your martial arts. This isn't to free slaves, or to better the living conditions of a third world country. And in the Unreal Universe, this tournament isn't held to teach about the Sanctity of Love and Brotherhood!

**legacy-senshu** · 07-01-2004, 09:08 AM

Originally posted by jamie1224
In ONS, you're trying to occupy more territory than your opponent. Spawn camping is pretty much impossible in ONS except for the powercore. Don't you guys remember that you can't spawn at a powernode that's being attacked? And if you're being spawn camped at your powercore, so be it! That's the other teams job. Taking you and the powercore out is the only thing that should be running through an onslaught players mind.

Wrong.

**legacy-ever frost** · 07-01-2004, 09:56 AM

All as I know while im trying to take screen shot I get “you are camping”
Open console its run down page
“you are camping”
“you are camping”
“you are camping”
“you are camping”
“you are camping”
“you are camping”
“you are camping”
“you are camping”

Is anoing should be removed wee are not all “P” or speed freaks
And have to rest some time ffs!

**legacy-PacMaan2004** · 07-01-2004, 01:33 PM

Originally posted by ever frost
All as I know while im trying to take screen shot I get “you are camping”
Open console its run down page
“you are camping”
“you are camping”
“you are camping”

Is anoing should be removed wee are not all “P” or speed freaks
And have to rest some time ffs!

REST? REEEST??? You aint got time to rest boy - get back to that node dammit !!!

You wanna rest? Open the console and type "SUICIDE" and let someone else take your place CAMPER

:down:

**legacy-senshu** · 07-01-2004, 07:21 PM

Originally posted by PacMaan2004
You wanna rest? Open the console and type "SUICIDE" and let someone else take your place CAMPER :down:

LOL! :haha: :haha:

**legacy-darktower** · 07-03-2004, 10:19 AM

Whenever I talk to folks who seem to have "moral" problems camping, typekilling, mine spamming, and so on eventually I come to the conclusion that they are attempting to apply DM and CTF ideals (the idea that it's pointless to not give a player a fighting chance) to ONS.

Consider the following...

1.) I have a node that I'm trying to take/build/hold, but folks are respawning right next door. It makes sense to mine spam or tank/manta camp the offending node. This has two benefits. It gives me just a little more time to take care of business and it I now have people at the next node I going after.

2.) I respawn at a node and get spidered/manta'd/tanked/ hammered/whatevered. I know the following, they have split their team. This means that they have at least 1 less person trying take my node. Generally speaking, I like to leave them at the node, respawn at a different spot (you do have this option), and continue my defense of my node at the forward edge of the battle area. However, I've seen others that like to go hunt these folks down. Whatever works.

3.) At the end of a game, someone has camped a tank at my base. This really sinks. There is only one thing I can do ... keep respawning and try to take them out. Of course the whole time I doing this I'm learning the lesson that I must be more aware of tank positions while operating close to base.

IMHO - This is a matter of tactics not honor/morals.

**legacy-TheRealPlayer** · 07-05-2004, 01:01 AM

Whenever I play any given gametype (I will use iCTF for the hell of it as an example here), If my team-mate isn't specifically doing his job defending the flag, he has no damn business being still at any time aside from waiting for a rally for offense.

In ONS, if my team-mates aren't defending the key node that links to their powercore to keep it up, they have no damn business camping anywhere.

Why? Because camping like the examples I condemn there detract from the player's USEFULNESS.

**legacy-denzil.echo** · 07-05-2004, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by TheRealPlayer
Whenever I play any given gametype (I will use iCTF for the hell of it as an example here), If my team-mate isn't specifically doing his job defending the flag, he has no damn business being still at any time aside from waiting for a rally for offense.

In ONS, if my team-mates aren't defending the key node that links to their powercore to keep it up, they have no damn business camping anywhere.

Why? Because camping like the examples I condemn there detract from the player's USEFULNESS.

Yet ANOTHER point to our cause

...

**legacy-Noodle** · 07-05-2004, 09:54 AM

Ok I do hate Camping (check the sig.) and espicially Spawn Camping but there is worse stuff in ONS and even DM and stuff and its call frag stealing, Ok youve been running around killing people wearing down their HP and this guy just runs out with the Mini or Shock and steals your kill and Its not as much in ONS as In DM and **** but They both suck and the question is which sucks more.

P.S. The Referee Idea Isnt That Bad Sounding