Of Flight and Falling Damage

**legacy-Mort_Q** · 08-01-2003, 02:41 PM

I was just reading this thread regarding the UT2k4 hoverbikes.

I was wondering what people thought about an adrenaline mutator (Feather Fall) that allowed a player to avoid falling damage when falling/jumping from large heights, as in off of a high flying hoverbike or some such vehicle.

I don't know how high the sky is on the Onslaught maps, but I suspect that a Sheild Gun won't protect you.

Not sure exactly how it should work... let you fall slow enough not to take damage, or just protect you when you hit... or should it be like a para-wing and give you a little extra control when falling?

**legacy-CH405** · 08-01-2003, 02:52 PM

Perhaps it should be called 'Glide'

Sounds like an idea however.
It can only be activated whilst in mid-air, and the player will glide down to earth

. Oh and for visuals, you could have like a blur behind him, or his feet could go on fire, implying he has rockets in his boots :weird: . Alternatively we could give him some sort of magic carpet

**legacy-Mort_Q** · 08-01-2003, 02:58 PM

A different name, sure. Feather Fall is what popped into my head, but it is a little too D&D... and I'm not sure WoTC would approve.

**legacy-Descentia** · 08-01-2003, 02:59 PM

I dunno. That's actually a toughy. I kinda like the glide idea...but maybe there really should be a penalty for using it (i.e. becoming an easy target).

**legacy-CH405** · 08-01-2003, 03:01 PM

Well becoming an easy target is the obvious result

Its simple, if your in the air, your gonna get shot! That is if you have some snipers watching the skies

hehe that sounds cool

**legacy-Mort_Q** · 08-01-2003, 03:02 PM

Originally posted by Descentia
I dunno. That's actually a toughy. I kinda like the glide idea...but maybe there really should be a penalty for using it (i.e. becoming an easy target).

If the descent is slowed enough... and with the new-old sniper...

With flight in the game, you'll have to look up a lot more.

**legacy-CH405** · 08-01-2003, 03:06 PM

Originally posted by Mort_Q
If the descent is slowed enough... and with the new-old sniper...

With flight in the game, you'll have to look up a lot more.

Yeh it gives you more to shoot at

So snipers are really gonna love it!
then again, one may consider whether there is a point of doing it. I mean if an air vehicle is being shot down and is crashing to its doom, we can't rely on having full adrenaline to ensure we have a safe landing! Or can we? :weird:

Hmm interesting.

Perhaps this 'Glide' Adrenaline move gives you a parachute

OOh ooh! I have an idea! If you use it on the ground and start to gain speed, you could perhaps start paragliding

:up:

**legacy-191** · 08-01-2003, 03:22 PM

i don't like it, if you fall out of a plane in mid-air you are dead. Can't mess with the law of physics.

**legacy-Descentia** · 08-01-2003, 03:31 PM

boost-dodge...double-jump...

UT2k3 sure does.

**legacy-DanishGrrl** · 08-01-2003, 03:32 PM

That's where the parachute comes in handy

**tarnationsauce2** · 08-01-2003, 03:36 PM

Jumpboots anyone?

**legacy-191** · 08-01-2003, 03:37 PM

Originally posted by Descentia
boost-dodge...double-jump...

UT2k3 sure does.

strong legs...

**legacy-DaZeD420** · 08-01-2003, 03:39 PM

here is a suggestion, a gun, yes a gun, like they had in teh final fantasy movie. You shoot it near the ground and it creates a fountian of some sort of gel, that reduces velocity at an acceptable rate so that it doesn't break your neck on impact.

This prevents you from being an easy target and only teh skilled can pull off this kind of a hit when you drop at the speeds I think the player would travel at.

**legacy-CH405** · 08-01-2003, 03:42 PM

Originally posted by 191
i don't like it, if you fall out of a plane in mid-air you are dead. Can't mess with the law of physics.

Well then how do you propose to get out of this situation, without a parachute:

Your plane has been shot , Your pilot decides to start swearing at some person because he feels like it, while your plane steadily plunges to the earth. You, the passenger are confused and do not know what to do! Your in enemy territory and if you make it to the ground, you could break the other team's link. Now obviously death is not an option. What do you do?
Parameters: You do not have the glide adrenaline move and you do not have a parachute. What do you do!

**legacy-anarkist** · 08-01-2003, 03:43 PM

Obviously some sort of glide hover pack!

We dont need a dumb named extra adrenaline for no reason. And besides , what are the odds youll have 100 adrenaline while falling.

**tarnationsauce2** · 08-01-2003, 03:45 PM

Originally posted by anarkist
And besides , what are the odds youll have 100 adrenaline while falling.

Good point, now where are my jump boots?

**legacy-Mort_Q** · 08-01-2003, 03:47 PM

Originally posted by anarkist
Obviously some sort of glide hover pack!

We dont need a dumb named extra adrenaline for no reason. And besides , what are the odds youll have 100 adrenaline while falling.

I was thinking more like parachuting in behind enemy lines as opposed to an ejection seat...

... you wouldn't try it unless you had your 100 adrenaline.

**legacy-191** · 08-01-2003, 03:59 PM

Originally posted by CH405
Well then how do you propose to get out of this situation, without a parachute:

thats the beauty, you DON'T. Ever saw somebody jump out of a plane and live, and even if death is not an option, it is not like it your choice to make. You fall, you die. If you couldn't die when crashing, what would be the fun in that. It wouldn't be half as fun to try and NOT crash the plane becuase if you get shot you just jump out. Boring, flying should be dangerous.

**legacy-NachoUK** · 08-01-2003, 04:15 PM

Originally posted by 191
thats the beauty, you DON'T. Ever saw somebody jump out of a plane and live, and even if death is not an option, it is not like it your choice to make. You fall, you die. If you couldn't die when crashing, what would be the fun in that. It wouldn't be half as fun to try and NOT crash the plane becuase if you get shot you just jump out. Boring, flying should be dangerous.

Yeah, sorry Mort, nice idea and all, but it really should be dangerous to fly, and it reemphasises the need for teamwork. If you get in a plane with a sucky pilot, then you are gonna have troubles, so next time you find a better pilot. Having guys throwing themselves out of planes and sniping everyone as they fall doesn't sound like much fun to me, plus it means that everyone will start flying over enemy lines and dropping out, making the other vehicles redundant.

**legacy-Mort_Q** · 08-01-2003, 04:25 PM

No need to apologize for giving your opinion. I did ask after all.

It was just something that popped into my head when I read the post about parachuting in BF19whatever...

The reason I asked was because I figured it would change the dynamic of the game, which may or may not be a good thing.

Some people think the vehicles themselves are a bad idea...

**legacy-191** · 08-01-2003, 04:30 PM

Originally posted by Mort_Q
Some people think the vehicles themselves are a bad idea...

Vehicles will rules with this game, imo UT is the perfect game for some lightning fast vehicular combat. I can wait to kill a group of players with that big ass machine gun that is mounted on one of the jeeps.

**legacy-SpellBinder** · 08-01-2003, 05:23 PM

Originally posted by NachoUK
Yeah, sorry Mort, nice idea and all, but it really should be dangerous to fly, and it reemphasises the need for teamwork. If you get in a plane with a sucky pilot, then you are gonna have troubles, so next time you find a better pilot. Having guys throwing themselves out of planes and sniping everyone as they fall doesn't sound like much fun to me, plus it means that everyone will start flying over enemy lines and dropping out, making the other vehicles redundant.

and, let us add a terrorist and counter terrorist team to escalade the realism in the unreal universe. god, i wish people would remember the concept of fun. i guess these people have never played games like mario or sonic or vectorman where you can fall as far as you want so long as there is ground. not to mention, we are talking about a possible adrenaline power up, meaning...not everybody is going to have it active :/

**legacy-Mort_Q** · 08-02-2003, 01:48 PM

Originally posted by 191
Vehicles will rules with this game, imo UT is the perfect game for some lightning fast vehicular combat. I can wait to kill a group of players with that big ass machine gun that is mounted on one of the jeeps.

I agree... but that really wasn't the point.

**legacy-Mort_Q** · 12-04-2003, 06:51 PM

4 months later...

That is a really lame idea. Get back to work. 24.00%
Slow your descent so that you take no damage, but makes you an easy target. 12.00%
Prevents fall damage, but you fall normally. 12.00%
Slows you down and gives you added Air Control. 40.00%
Something else, see my post. 4.00%
Why don't you just wait for UT2k4 before you start planning stuff. Mmm 'kay !? 8.00%

Just for reference... now that people have seen all the vehcile vids... lets see if anything changes.

I blame this thread.

**legacy-Riffage** · 12-04-2003, 06:57 PM

Originally posted by CH405
Your plane has been shot , Your pilot decides to start swearing at some person because he feels like it, while your plane steadily plunges to the earth. You, the passenger are confused and do not know what to do! Your in enemy territory and if you make it to the ground, you could break the other team's link. Now obviously death is not an option. What do you do?

Clearly while you are falling you radio for a convenient flyby of another plane which you can just manage to land in with no damage whatsoever and continue to fly along. Clearly this is the way forward!

**legacy-poobeard** · 12-04-2003, 07:40 PM

Seeing as the ideas that I was going to give have been mentioned, (thanks CH4O5 and DaZeD420

) how about a grapple weapon that you shoot at a high point, a tree or building etc. If you can fall close enough, the grapple stops you hitting the ground. Crap idea but I like it and think it would give you a small chance of survival. Maybe worth a look?

If I come up with any more (crap) ideas I'll post.

Slight variation... You get to shoot two grapples at things higher than your designated landing spot

you end up suspended...:sour:

:cry:

**legacy-SilverLinkX2** · 12-04-2003, 10:40 PM

Originally posted by Mort_Q
4 months later...

That is a really lame idea. Get back to work. 24.00%
Slow your descent so that you take no damage, but makes you an easy target. 12.00%
Prevents fall damage, but you fall normally. 12.00%
Slows you down and gives you added Air Control. 40.00%
Something else, see my post. 4.00%
Why don't you just wait for UT2k4 before you start planning stuff. Mmm 'kay !? 8.00%

Just for reference... now that people have seen all the vehcile vids... lets see if anything changes.

I blame this thread.

The hell? why do you blame that thread? it's a great idea, i think ut2004 should have all sorts of vehicles inluding WATER vehicles

**legacy-Mort_Q** · 12-04-2003, 11:33 PM

Originally posted by SilverLinkX2
The hell? why do you blame that thread? it's a great idea, i think ut2004 should have all sorts of vehicles inluding WATER vehicles

Blame only in the sense that that is the thread that reminded me about this 4 month old thread, and resurrect it.

Some people react poorly to old threads resurfacing. <shrug>

**legacy-Corosus** · 12-04-2003, 11:46 PM

Originally posted by tarnationsauce2
Jumpboots anyone?

Perfect, I forgot about that.

For those of you who are confused, since jump boots make you go so high, they also prevent fall damage, thus elimiating the need for this adrenaline combo, though I do still see some of it's uses I guess

**legacy-MechaFubs** · 12-05-2003, 06:01 AM

Originally posted by 191
Ever saw somebody jump out of a plane and live

Yes - their called parachutes/ejector seats.
I believe most airborne combat vehicles used today equip their pilots with these luxuries, I dont see why our Unreal pilots should be forced to go without.

I would rather take the risk of ground based snipers (besides you could snipe back), than have a garunteed plunge to your death. A minimum opening distance would be nice, no opening the chute 2ft from hte floor like in BF1942