Petition for kills to count in GOWJ in Campaign mode and Overrun.

[Golden Hunter]

This was never fixed in GOW3. And with GOWJ it can be. All i'm asking for is that our kills with our weapons in Campaign and Overrun count towards the medals in GOWJ.

Yay, nay?

[Gnashes]

We don't even know if there will BE Medals.

Campaign, no.

OverRun yes.

[Rattlehead]

Kills don't need to count in campaign. Maybe in Arcade mode, but in regular campaign there's no reason for it. That's not a competitive aspect of the game.

OverRun is more understandable, but I still go with no (although I doubt they wouldn't include kills in OverRun). I'd rather see teamwork enforced in a squad-based, teamwork-oriented game. Not the selfishness that plagues Gears of War 3's playerbase.

So, my vote is, "Nay".

[Golden Hunter]

We don't even know if there will BE Medals.

Campaign, no.

OverRun yes.
I think we will have medals. Maybe even another beta.

[wanes16years]

Nay, Seriously is for Dedicated players, If you get it in the Campaign like gears 2 by abusing the brumak chapter then no.

[Golden Hunter]

We don't even know if there will BE Medals.

Campaign, no.

OverRun yes.

I just saw you are in Beaumont. We live 2 hours away from eachother.

[LambentHammerburst]

No.
The simple reason is someone WILL find a exploit and use it to quickly get the kills done in mere hours. It's happened in ALL 3 games.
I can boost Seriously 1.0 in 20hrs with a group of friends. Helped a friend do it. Was part of the group getting killed lol.
You can boost Seriously 2.0 in a few hours using the Brumak exploit.
If Horde/Campaign kills counted - play the Former area over and over. Get HUNDREDS of kills each time (Gears 3 example) -- you could Onyx Lancer/HB/Retro in a couple hours doing this.

[wanes16years]

No.
The simple reason is someone WILL find a exploit and use it to quickly get the kills done in mere hours. It's happened in ALL 3 games.
I can boost Seriously 1.0 in 20hrs with a group of friends. Helped a friend do it. Was part of the group getting killed lol.
You can boost Seriously 2.0 in a few hours using the Brumak exploit.
If Horde/Campaign kills counted - play the Former area over and over. Get HUNDREDS of kills each time (Gears 3 example) -- you could Onyx Lancer/HB/Retro in a couple hours doing this.
Exactly, Thank god i'm done with Seriously 3.0

[Viewing the hue]

Idk we don't even know what the requirements will be if it's lowered then it was in g3 I'd say no.

[Untitled One]

I seriously doubt EPIC will do something like we saw back in Gears 2. Gotta wait and see unfortunately.

[Golden Hunter]

No.
The simple reason is someone WILL find a exploit and use it to quickly get the kills done in mere hours. It's happened in ALL 3 games.
I can boost Seriously 1.0 in 20hrs with a group of friends. Helped a friend do it. Was part of the group getting killed lol.
You can boost Seriously 2.0 in a few hours using the Brumak exploit.
If Horde/Campaign kills counted - play the Former area over and over. Get HUNDREDS of kills each time (Gears 3 example) -- you could Onyx Lancer/HB/Retro in a couple hours doing this.


Exactly, Thank god i'm done with Seriously 3.0

We don't know if Seriously is making a return [though likely] And what the requirements are. Who says it has anything to do with kills?

[Doctor Pie 7056]

Lol really?

[Golden Hunter]

Lol really?

What? [10 chars]

[Gnashes]

We don't know if Seriously is making a return [though likely] And what the requirements are. Who says it has anything to do with kills?

It's a shooter.

It will be based on kills in some way.

[Golden Hunter]

It's a shooter.

It will be based on kills in some way.

Seriously 3.0 Was reaching level 100 and and getting 30 Onyx medals. Of course it will involve kills in someway but not just raw kills.

[Gnashes]

Seriously 3.0 Was reaching level 100 and and getting 30 Onyx medals. Of course it will involve kills in someway but not just raw kills.

I didn't say only kills, I just said that it will involve kills.

[Golden Hunter]

I didn't say only kills, I just said that it will involve kills.

Seriously 4.0. Walk 5000 meters in the game world :p

[Doctor Pie 7056]

I didn't say only kills, I just said that it will involve kills.

Kills shouldn't be it it needs to be hard

[Terra D Serph]

Seriously 4.0. Walk 5000 meters in the game world :p

1. Stay in cover for more than 5 hours without going idle(automatically resets if you do anything to leave cover other than dying or the match ending)
2. Run the length of 5 Sera planets
3. Retro Charge the same distance
4. Beat Campaign on Insane with the hardest mutators
5. Lose 100,000 matches to Terra D Serph


And that's Seriously 4.0 in a nutshell! :D

[LambentHammerburst]

Seriously 3.0 Was reaching level 100 and and getting 65 Onyx medals. Of course it will involve kills in someway but not just raw kills.
Fixed for you.

However Gnashes is right.
Much of Seriously 3.0 is killed based.
4000 Headshots
3000 Fire kills
3000 Curb Stomps
6000 Executions
6000 Heavy Weapon Kills
6000 Pistol Kills
6000 Sawed Off
6000 Lancer
6000 Retro
6000 HB
6000 Gnasher
6000 Explosive
100 Executing Nemesis'
1000 Enemies while holding meatshield
500 Leader captures (Meatshielding is a kill - also included due to Guardian - get this by killing the leader)
---------------
65600 VS kills - 3000 (subtracting 3000 because Curb Stomp = Execution) = 62600
+
6000 Map Based Kills -- I didn't include this as you'd get it with the Heavy Weapon kills alone.

Just in VS kills

Add in 1100 for Beast

63700 Kills to Onyx all the kill based medals MINIMUM.

There's 17 medals based on kills alone. I easily could of missed some too.
1/4 of the medals are kill based.

[DaRkNeSs]

There may not even be medals, but yeah I agree they should be available across all modes (OverRun, MP, Campaign then *UNCONFIRMED* Arcade and Horde)

[GoW 3 Killa]

If it will have any, then yes. They should make it a bit easier. But well, it also depends on the amount of kills they will put for a medal. If low then no. If high, then yes

[Golden Hunter]

Fixed for you.

However Gnashes is right.
Much of Seriously 3.0 is killed based.
4000 Headshots
3000 Fire kills
3000 Curb Stomps
6000 Executions
6000 Heavy Weapon Kills
6000 Pistol Kills
6000 Sawed Off
6000 Lancer
6000 Retro
6000 HB
6000 Gnasher
6000 Explosive
100 Executing Nemesis'
1000 Enemies while holding meatshield
500 Leader captures (Meatshielding is a kill - also included due to Guardian - get this by killing the leader)
---------------
65600 VS kills - 3000 (subtracting 3000 because Curb Stomp = Execution) = 62600
+
6000 Map Based Kills -- I didn't include this as you'd get it with the Heavy Weapon kills alone.

Just in VS kills

Add in 1100 for Beast

63700 Kills to Onyx all the kill based medals MINIMUM.

There's 17 medals based on kills alone. I easily could of missed some too.
1/4 of the medals are kill based.
You're right i was thinking of the Embry Star.

[AJ Crawford]

I voted no. I like knowing how many kills I've got using the weapons in MP and I like my medals reflecting actual work and not bot abuse. As much as I enjoy campaign the kills mean nothing other than a means of getting from A to B and furthering the story.

[III HOOP III]

honestly I hope there are NO MEDALS. I think medals being introduced into Gears is one of the things that ruined a lot of Gears 3.

[Clone Recon]

I think medals should count for everything, cause there are people who only play horde and campaign.

[HOMBRE ELITE]

Hell yeah, i support this thread!

[ClearlyBalkan]

I clicked NO, just because I don't want another Brumak grinding episode.

[fsanta]

I dont know if this would be better but they can split kills in campaign from kills in MP although this would mean alot more medals. I guess we will have to see what they have planed for us :D

[IIIHindleIII]

This was never fixed in GOW3. And with GOWJ it can be. All i'm asking for is that our kills with our weapons in Campaign and Overrun count towards the medals in GOWJ.

Yay, nay?

yh they should all count depends what game mode you play

[TAO Devil]

This was never fixed in GOW3. And with GOWJ it can be. All i'm asking for is that our kills with our weapons in Campaign and Overrun count towards the medals in GOWJ.

Yay, nay?

It was never intended to be that way, neither did Epic say they would change it. It's not an issue with the game.

And like gnashes said, Medals have not been confirmed for this game.

[Golden Hunter]

It was never intended to be that way, neither did Epic say they would change it. It's not an issue with the game.

And like gnashes said, Medals have not been confirmed for this game.It was still a problem. Therefore the fix part.

[TAO Devil]

It was still a problem. Therefore the fix part.

Only in some people's opinions. It's not an actual problem. The medals and the achievement were designed for the dedicated. not casuals.

[LambentHammerburst]

It was still a problem. Therefore the fix part.

Only in some people's opinions. It's not an actual problem. The medals and the achievement were designed for the dedicated. not casuals.

Agreed. On thing I'd like Epic to do though is actually make 2 medals or tie Horde/Campaign with VS together.

This:
Hammerburst
Bronze: x kills
Silver: x kills
Gold: x kills
Onyx: x kills

Hammerbust (VS)
Bronze: x kills
Silver: x kills
Gold: x kills
Onyx: x kills


OR
Hammerburst
Bronze: x kills + x kills (VS)
Silver: x kills + x kills (VS)
Gold: x kills + x kills (VS)
Onyx: x kills + x kills (VS)

This one would require you to play both. Meaning if you only play VS you will never get Bronze at all. You could get up to Onyx level in the kills needed in VS but since you don't have the other requirement it won't unlock. Meaning you'd have to play Horde/Campaign.

I do feel separating the 2 would be ideal though.
Have each of then getting Onyx'd unlock the same thing but a variant.
Like Onyx HB in VS - Ebony (Very polished black skin)
Onyx HB - Ivory (Very polished white skin)
Unlock Both: You get Ebony/Ivory skin - Ivory base with Ebony gun plating.


It isn't a issue like you said. However there are some who don't play VS so give those players their own exclusive unlocks at the most and make the dedicated play some of the casual gametypes to get everything.

Doing this would force the casuals into VS and the VS only into the casual gametypes.
Each get their own unlocks too :)

[I Love U Jesus]

No thanks, there should be rewards for playing Campaign, Horde, Beast, Overrun, and then there should be rewards for normal Versus. They shouldn't overlap. You shouldn't be rewarded for doing something you didn't.

[Bizkitdoh]

I say.... no. Epic doesn't need to make them absolutely ridiculous requirements. Just tone the medals down, no need for this.

[Golden Hunter]

Only in some people's opinions. It's not an actual problem. The medals and the achievement were designed for the dedicated. not casuals.
This isn't for casuals. It's annoying when i play 6 hours of Horde and my weapon medals don't go up. There wasn't any kill grinding levels in Gears 3 and we don't know if there will be some Brumak level like in GOW2.

[D4u2s0t]

Nay, Seriously is for Dedicated players, If you get it in the Campaign like gears 2 by abusing the brumak chapter then no.


so did you get seriously by being a dedicated player, or by idle and/or private boosting? Is there currently a single person who has achieved seriously without idle/private boosting?

[Ant Heuser]

If they have medals yes-- All game modes, I hope it make sense-- I only say 'Yay' if they count offline-- "All game modes"...


so did you get seriously by being a dedicated player, or by idle and/or private boosting? Is there currently a single person who has achieved seriously without idle/private boosting?

Yes, I'm half way to legit Embry Star, and if they lower the requirements and make it offline I'll have it legit. *This has nothing to do with boosting or being competitive*

[TAO Devil]

This isn't for casuals. It's annoying when i play 6 hours of Horde and my weapon medals don't go up. There wasn't any kill grinding levels in Gears 3 and we don't know if there will be some Brumak level like in GOW2.

Again, your opinion. Epic set the rules. Work at it or dont. Your choice.

[Golden Hunter]

Again, your opinion. Epic set the rules. Work at it or dont. Your choice.

It's not just my opinion. I'm sure you saw the thread in the GOW3 forum about this awhile back. This was a very popular idea.

[TAO Devil]

It's not just my opinion. I'm sure you saw the thread in the GOW3 forum about this awhile back. This was a very popular idea.

Yep, and Epic said "No". Its not an issue to be fixed. It is an opinion. A lot of people want the ink changed and the retro removed and the sawed off taken out. None of it happening. You already got your answer months ago from Rod himself.

[LambentHammerburst]

It's not just my opinion. I'm sure you saw the thread in the GOW3 forum about this awhile back. This was a very popular idea.

Just as many support going back to Lancer/Gnasher only is a good idea. Doesnt mean it should happen. Im against it except support forcing medals for each to force VS into horde and Horde into VS. Give each their own kill based medals

[Golden Hunter]

Yep, and Epic said "No". Its not an issue to be fixed. It is an opinion. A lot of people want the ink changed and the retro removed and the sawed off taken out. None of it happening. You already got your answer months ago from Rod himself.

That was for Gears 3. And Cliff said that if he could go back in time and take out the Sawed-off he would. As it was a mistake to put it in. Things change.

[TAO Devil]

That was for Gears 3. And Cliff said that if he could go back in time and take out the Sawed-off he would. As it was a mistake to put it in. Things change.

First of all, we dont even know what is coming in Judgment. Seriously may not even be there, let alone require certain kills for each weapon. Also Judgment HAS the sawed off.

[Golden Hunter]

First of all, we dont even know what is coming in Judgment. Seriously may not even be there, let alone require certain kills for each weapon. Also Judgment HAS the sawed off.

I never said anything about Seriously. I'm talking about specific weapons medals and revive, active reload medals. And the Sawed-off might not stay in the retail version.

[LambentHammerburst]

I never said anything about Seriously. I'm talking about specific weapons medals and revive, active reload medals. And the Sawed-off might not stay in the retail version.

We dont even know if medals are in either. Could be something entirely different.

[Golden Hunter]

We dont even know if medals are in either. Could be something entirely different.

I think they will keep medals. Many people like them.

[LambentHammerburst]

I think they will keep medals. Many people like them.

Think isnt confirmed. Just like many think SO is gone because of a article yet it's in shots. Just as many hated the medal system.

[Golden Hunter]

Think isnt confirmed. Just like many think SO is gone because of a article yet it's in shots. Just as many hated the medal system.

The majority of the community likes medals.

[LambentHammerburst]

The majority of the community likes medals.

Based off what? Input here on the forums? We ourselves a VERY small minority. I doubt even 5% of the GoW players are here.

[Master Roshi]

Gears of War Judgment needs to go back to the simplicity that made Gears great.

No Medals. No Ranks. No Reset Problems. Just pure carnage.

[TAO Devil]

The majority of the community likes medals.
The majority of people like the reteo and sawed off as well.

Based off what? Input here on the forums? We ourselves a VERY small minority. I doubt even 5% of the GoW players are here.
We represent less than 1/10th of 1% of the gears population.

[D4u2s0t]

Yes, I'm half way to legit Embry Star, and if they lower the requirements and make it offline I'll have it legit. *This has nothing to do with boosting or being competitive*

yea, see, that's what I'm saying... those that play legit are nowhere near seriously... I think I have 12 onyx, and the only boosting I have ever done was to get the 100 kills with 5 starting weapons for horde mutator. I have played a few private vs. koth matches, but when I do I play on insane, and it's pretty rare. But I play anywhere from 2-4 hours per day... I have very few vs. medals, because to do them legit and actually get them while playing takes a real long time.

I'm not anti-boosting, it's just not something I do, because I really don't care about the medals that much in the sense of when I get them, I get them, and if I don't, who cares lol.

[Golden Hunter]

Based off what? Input here on the forums? We ourselves a VERY small minority. I doubt even 5% of the GoW players are here.


The majority of people like the reteo and sawed off as well.

We represent less than 1/10th of 1% of the gears population.
Well, Epic doesn't do polls on the street. The forum community is the only thing it should listen to in the first place.

[D4u2s0t]

The majority of people like the reteo and sawed off as well.

We represent less than 1/10th of 1% of the gears population.

but we're also the people buying the gears consoles, comics, novels, action figures, memorabilia, realistic gun replicas, controlers, multiple limited edition discs, all the dlc the day it comes out, characters, skins, posters, making youtube videos, making tutorials, cog tags, naming our dogs sam & baird, planning/running events, getting omen tattoos, buying clothes, avatars, weapons for your avatar, etc. We're the ones that stick it out through the rank resets, glitches, lag, freezes, etc.

How much profit would be cut if that 1/10th of 1% of the die hard fans didn't exist?

Just something I've thought of, I don't know the #'s, maybe it's insigificant, maybe it's not... But I think this kinda stuff is more important than sheer #'s of players, especially if the bulk of the profits comes from the small percentage. Can't say without knowing the #'s, and how it affects everything. Just something I thought of...

I think gears does a decent job of listening to the community, but I also think a company has to cater to it's core fans, the people that actually keep the game alive, not buy it, play it for a few weeks and let it collect dust or trade it in at gamestop.

[halofan365]

you talk as if epic made a mistake or something with the medals for vs not being applied for horde and campaign. however what you don't know is that rod stated clearly in one of his q and a sessions that if there was enough support for it epic would look at updating it. problem is we never or saw anything more about it.

[Golden Hunter]

you talk as if epic made a mistake or something with the medals for vs not being applied for horde and campaign. however what you don't know is that rod stated clearly in one of his q and a sessions that if there was enough support for it epic would look at updating it. problem is we never or saw anything more about it.

It is a mistake IMO. Kills in Campaign, Horde are more difficult to obtain then in MP and should count towards medals.

[TAO Devil]

but we're also the people buying the gears consoles, comics, novels, action figures, memorabilia, realistic gun replicas, controlers, multiple limited edition discs, all the dlc the day it comes out, characters, skins, posters, making youtube videos, making tutorials, cog tags, naming our dogs sam & baird, planning/running events, getting omen tattoos, buying clothes, avatars, weapons for your avatar, etc. We're the ones that stick it out through the rank resets, glitches, lag, freezes, etc.

How much profit would be cut if that 1/10th of 1% of the die hard fans didn't exist?

Just something I've thought of, I don't know the #'s, maybe it's insigificant, maybe it's not... But I think this kinda stuff is more important than sheer #'s of players, especially if the bulk of the profits comes from the small percentage. Can't say without knowing the #'s, and how it affects everything. Just something I thought of...

I think gears does a decent job of listening to the community, but I also think a company has to cater to it's core fans, the people that actually keep the game alive, not buy it, play it for a few weeks and let it collect dust or trade it in at gamestop.

It's insignificant. If Epic was relying on the forums community to be the ones who made them a profit, they would be bankrupt.

we don't even purchase 1% of all the Gears stuff that is sold.

[TrueCore]

We don't know what the medals in GoW J are like, so we can't discuss about them. Campaign count for everything? Simple answer: NO

[julianwelton]

If there are medals, which I kind of hope there isn't (I don't mind ribbons), kills in campaign, Overrun, and Horde/Beast should count towards medals.

[LambentHammerburst]

but we're also the people buying the gears consoles, comics, novels, action figures, memorabilia, realistic gun replicas, controlers, multiple limited edition discs, all the dlc the day it comes out, characters, skins, posters, making youtube videos, making tutorials, cog tags, naming our dogs sam & baird, planning/running events, getting omen tattoos, buying clothes, avatars, weapons for your avatar, etc. We're the ones that stick it out through the rank resets, glitches, lag, freezes, etc.

How much profit would be cut if that 1/10th of 1% of the die hard fans didn't exist?

Just something I've thought of, I don't know the #'s, maybe it's insigificant, maybe it's not... But I think this kinda stuff is more important than sheer #'s of players, especially if the bulk of the profits comes from the small percentage. Can't say without knowing the #'s, and how it affects everything. Just something I thought of...

I think gears does a decent job of listening to the community, but I also think a company has to cater to it's core fans, the people that actually keep the game alive, not buy it, play it for a few weeks and let it collect dust or trade it in at gamestop.

Pssst I'm one who only has the standard versions of the game (had the LE's of 1/2 but they were stolen along with basically EVERYTHING I had a little over 2yrs ago). I've only owned 1 book and never owned any comics, replicas, controllers. All of my skins - given out (see sig). Bought no avatar items - just got the free ones + Cole Plush (thx Cher) ect
So not even the 1% here are do this.
Many of my XBL friends are not on the forums but have indeed bought the various said content.
Epic would of got that profit even if the forums didn't exist. On top of that - you don't have to be a die hard fan to be on the forums. Many here are casuals.

Just because one may go out and buy the books, figures ect doesn't mean they are any more hardcore than one who doesn't. I will use Tao and Reign as a example. Each of them have replicas (Tao a Locust Head prop) and Reign has a Retro Lancer replica. Would I love either of these? Of course - however can I afford one? Not a chance. Only way I'll ever get a replica is if someone sells it dirt cheap or I win one.
Does that make me any less "hardcore" than them?

[Bazinga-A7X]

This was never fixed in GOW3. And with GOWJ it can be. All i'm asking for is that our kills with our weapons in Campaign and Overrun count towards the medals in GOWJ.

Yay, nay?

Didn't need to be fixed. In Arcade, with Super Reload, we would have all Onyx'd the Lancer in record time. The 5 starting weapons were meant to be hard earned.

Hell I can pull 80+ kills in under 7 minutes on Act 3 Chapter 1 - Anvil Gate , and easily pull a 10X multiplier on a Casual setting, with the Mauler's never making it past the second gate. Not bragging, (nothing to brag about) it's the game mechanics that allow incredibly easy kills. If Arcade/Campaign counted, or Horde counted, I would have abused that and had the Onyx Lancer on the first weekend after unlocking Super Reload.


Since we have no idea if medals will return, or what they will be if they do. I vote NO.

[TAO Devil]

Pssst I'm one who only has the standard versions of the game (had the LE's of 1/2 but they were stolen along with basically EVERYTHING I had a little over 2yrs ago). I've only owned 1 book and never owned any comics, replicas, controllers. All of my skins - given out (see sig). Bought no avatar items - just got the free ones + Cole Plush (thx Cher) ect
So not even the 1% here are do this.
Many of my XBL friends are not on the forums but have indeed bought the various said content.
Epic would of got that profit even if the forums didn't exist. On top of that - you don't have to be a die hard fan to be on the forums. Many here are casuals.

Just because one may go out and buy the books, figures ect doesn't mean they are any more hardcore than one who doesn't. I will use Tao and Reign as a example. Each of them have replicas (Tao a Locust Head prop) and Reign has a Retro Lancer replica. Would I love either of these? Of course - however can I afford one? Not a chance. Only way I'll ever get a replica is if someone sells it dirt cheap or I win one.
Does that make me any less "hardcore" than them?
Well said. Also, I won that Locust Bust from GCON a couple years ago. I can't afford it either.

[D4u2s0t]

Pssst I'm one who only has the standard versions of the game (had the LE's of 1/2 but they were stolen along with basically EVERYTHING I had a little over 2yrs ago). I've only owned 1 book and never owned any comics, replicas, controllers. All of my skins - given out (see sig). Bought no avatar items - just got the free ones + Cole Plush (thx Cher) ect
So not even the 1% here are do this.
Many of my XBL friends are not on the forums but have indeed bought the various said content.
Epic would of got that profit even if the forums didn't exist. On top of that - you don't have to be a die hard fan to be on the forums. Many here are casuals.

Just because one may go out and buy the books, figures ect doesn't mean they are any more hardcore than one who doesn't. I will use Tao and Reign as a example. Each of them have replicas (Tao a Locust Head prop) and Reign has a Retro Lancer replica. Would I love either of these? Of course - however can I afford one? Not a chance. Only way I'll ever get a replica is if someone sells it dirt cheap or I win one.
Does that make me any less "hardcore" than them?


Well said. Also, I won that Locust Bust from GCON a couple years ago. I can't afford it either.

you guys take things way too personally, like it's your job to correct everything, and like I just insulted your mother or something... jeeze...

[TAO Devil]

you guys take things way too personally, like it's your job to correct everything, and like I just insulted your mother or something... jeeze...

You posted incorrect info. We felt that correct info would be better for people to read. Since misinformation spreads faster than information.

[D4u2s0t]

You posted incorrect info. We felt that correct info would be better for people to read. Since misinformation spreads faster than information.

This is my point, actually, I did not post incorrect info. I made a statement, and then asked a question... And while yes, there are going to always be exceptions, I would be willing to wager that your average forum regular plays more, spends more, and is more dedicated than your average non forum member. Again, there's going to be exception, obviously.

[TAO Devil]

This is my point, actually, I did not post incorrect info. I made a statement, and then asked a question... And while yes, there are going to always be exceptions, I would be willing to wager that your average forum regular plays more, spends more, and is more dedicated than your average non forum member. Again, there's going to be exception, obviously.

Except you stated We were the ones buying everything. This is not correct. FAR more sales come from outside this community than could ever come from inside. These are not exceptions to the rule, these ARE the rule.

There were 10X more Gears 3 consoles bought than even the highest day of regular forum members. The amount of forum members that own the TriForce Lancers is miniscule and there were only 1,000 made. About 10-15 are owned by forum members. The LE editions sold out completely, and there were 150X the amount of regular forum members worth of them out there. We represent an extremely small, yet vocal population. Epic likes us and talks to us more often than they do the rest of the Gears population, but don't think for an instant that we are their bread and butter. Game companies would all go bankrupt if they relied on their forum communities to be the drive in sales.

[D4u2s0t]

Except you stated We were the ones buying everything. This is not correct. FAR more sales come from outside this community than could ever come from inside. These are not exceptions to the rule, these ARE the rule.

There were 10X more Gears 3 consoles bought than even the highest day of regular forum members. The amount of forum members that own the TriForce Lancers is miniscule and there were only 1,000 made. About 10-15 are owned by forum members. The LE editions sold out completely, and there were 150X the amount of regular forum members worth of them out there. We represent an extremely small, yet vocal population. Epic likes us and talks to us more often than they do the rest of the Gears population, but don't think for an instant that we are their bread and butter. Game companies would all go bankrupt if they relied on their forum communities to be the drive in sales.

Did you actually read my post?

[TAO Devil]

Did you actually read my post?


but we're also the people buying the gears consoles, comics, novels, action figures, memorabilia, realistic gun replicas, controlers, multiple limited edition discs, all the dlc the day it comes out, characters, skins, posters, making youtube videos, making tutorials, cog tags, naming our dogs sam & baird, planning/running events, getting omen tattoos, buying clothes, avatars, weapons for your avatar, etc. We're the ones that stick it out through the rank resets, glitches, lag, freezes, etc.

How much profit would be cut if that 1/10th of 1% of the die hard fans didn't exist?

Yes. Right here. Again, the community is vocal. That is all. Everything else is done by the outside community in droves more than it is here.

The forums do not equal the die hard fans. There are plenty of die-hards that have never even heard of the forums.

[LambentHammerburst]

I would be willing to wager that your average forum regular plays more, spends more, and is more dedicated than your average non forum member. Again, there's going to be exception, obviously.
Wut?
Have you seen the thousands of players entering every single give away? If this was true - no one would be needing them.
Plays more? Most of the forumers I play with are the lowest level players when compared to those on my FL that are not on the forums.
More dedicated? That part I agree with more....wait nevermind I see Tao/Gnashes/Reign/Autopsychotic all of which are very dedicated players -- play other games equal times. Yet I have others on my FL not on forums never play anything else aside from Netflix.

You're generalizing the forumers way too much. Just because we visit a forum doesn't mean anything. It simply means they came here and started posting. Nothing more, nothing less.
Forums are basically a slow moving chat room.
It's kinda like saying someone who uses Hotmail is a dedicated Microsoft fan.

[Ant Heuser]

Yup, I'm a die hard fan, and this is the 1st forum I ever joined-- Aside from Xbox.com. If I wasn't a member of the forums that wouldn't change how much I like the game, if anything, I'm on here more than my Xbokz... Go figure.

[OO629]

If there's a medal counting kills, it should count kills in every playlists/modes but it should only unlock an achievement+medal, not a weapon skin/character skin/special powerup or something. This could reduce the <<this guy got that skin by boosting, he's bad>> or the <<I got that skin legit, I'm 1337 and boosters doesn't deserve it>> feeling (nothing special about something that can be boosted).

[Golden Hunter]

Didn't need to be fixed. In Arcade, with Super Reload, we would have all Onyx'd the Lancer in record time. The 5 starting weapons were meant to be hard earned.

Hell I can pull 80+ kills in under 7 minutes on Act 3 Chapter 1 - Anvil Gate , and easily pull a 10X multiplier on a Casual setting, with the Mauler's never making it past the second gate. Not bragging, (nothing to brag about) it's the game mechanics that allow incredibly easy kills. If Arcade/Campaign counted, or Horde counted, I would have abused that and had the Onyx Lancer on the first weekend after unlocking Super Reload.


Since we have no idea if medals will return, or what they will be if they do. I vote NO.

What about for Revives, Active Reloads etc?

[The Dixie Kid]

Yes.
Seriously should be based on the game as a whole and not single out any mode.