Do you want mantle kick to come back?

[Doctor Pie 7056]

Some people don't like so I would like to hear some opinions

[TAO Devil]

If it is fixed with 0 issues, even issues cause by lag, then yes. Right now it is far too inconsistent. So if that cant be fixed, I want it to stay out.

It was the feature I was so excited for, and ended up being the one I was most disappointed with.

[Vexta]

Yes, I actually like it. It's just extremely glitchy and inconsistent.

[Ms A Chievement]

I'd welcome it if it actually worked this time. If you mean the current mantle kick, then no. No I don't.

[DanTheGamer11]

My experience - Don't mantle near them = kicked back, Mantle on front = Either a fail or them not budging..

[IPuRpLe 904]

For the current state of the mantle kick, hell no.

[LambentHammerburst]

I do, however they need to treat it like the Gnasher in terms of how it hits a target.
Too often you are getting hit when you're really far off to the side or through walls even (Bulletmarsh).
So if they treat it like the Gnasher for hit detection -- it could work nicely.

[Evanescence]

I hate it. Nope. It's broken.

If it were a bit better then yes. :)

[ExecutionWTF]

Same as he said (:
If it is fixed with 0 issues, even issues cause by lag, then yes. Right now it is far too inconsistent. So if that cant be fixed, I want it to stay out.

It was the feature I was so excited for, and ended up being the one I was most disappointed with.

[Orion]

If they fix it then yes. Otherwise, just keep it for Campaign/Overrun and Horde (if we're going to get it).

[Mr Shabba Dabba]

If it gets fixed.

[SQuirrel147]

If it gets fixed (Like everyone else is saying) then sure. Either way I'm indifferent. If it stays or goes, I don't care.

[A CANADIAN]

Yes. I like it. Works great. Usually no problem for me aside from 2/10 or 1/10 times. Those times I hate it. Lol. Overall it's great. Adds more to the game.

[NP473L]

If it is fixed with 0 issues, even issues cause by lag, then yes. Right now it is far too inconsistent. So if that cant be fixed, I want it to stay out.

It was the feature I was so excited for, and ended up being the one I was most disappointed with.

In a nutshell, this.

[TwiStedxMind]

It's fun when it doesn't glitch

[Desert pengu1n]

if it actually works then yeh but not if it is inconsistent and buggy like it is now

[RaVeN]

Even if they could fix it (they won't) I don't like it one bit.


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[TheGnasherBeast]

For me, I thought Gears worked fine without it.

[Coleyman]

It was the feature I was so excited for, and ended up being the one I was most disappointed with.

This. It isn't even used as intended. It was designed to be a manoeuvre that rewarded the aggressor in cover-based scenarios, but instead it's just used by people that hide behind cover waiting to trap people. I could easily push up at somebody in cover (i.e. aggressor) to be smacked in the face with a 3+ second stun by the dude I'm pushing (the defender).

Don't even get me started on how laughably inconsistent it is.

[123MAN]

Removing it would be the easy way out, the need to fix it.

[l CrUsHeR l Xx]

Too inconsistent, so no.

[Mr shWo]

i don't see, to have all the issues you guys are talking but i have fios so...

[War Hero]

Yes! hope they bring it back...

[Mysterion Rises]

No no no no no

[Terra D Serph]

Yes. I like it. Works great. Usually no problem for me aside from 2/10 or 1/10 times. Those times I hate it. Lol. Overall it's great. Adds more to the game.

Same here. I've learned not to rely on it unless I'm sure it'll work. Stuff like pushing the enemy as they're in corner waist-high cover is just asking to be glitched out.

That being said, I would love some more consistency with the mechanic. It's a very good way to keep those stupid cover-battles from Gears 2 out, and it helps with people camping in areas that are otherwise irritating. If you mantle kick them, then you win, if they mantle kick you, and you've got an entire team backing you, even if you die, you still win.

[Hazama]

I'd say "yes", but perhaps if they could implement some MAJOR improvements... then "no".

On paper, it looks like an awesome mechanic; but when you take all of the things that could possibly go wrong with it in a typical gamer's experience... it's just really really iffy. I've seen quite a plethora of interesting mantle kick "problems", ranging from Dhalsim kicks to triple mantle kick stuns.
(Then again, Communism also looks great on paper... but it just doesn't work in actual life.) :D

[Brittality]

I think the mantle is a good concept. It provides an extra challenge and actually makes players think about their movement more. However, the mantle seems to hate my guts. I can never seem to get it to work correctly. But I still have hopes that it will be fixed in GOWJ if included.

[Mashpotaters]

i don't see, to have all the issues you guys are talking but i have fios so...

And that's probably one of the factors in why so many people have issues with it, including me. If you need that fast of internet to make it work, then it shouldn't be in the game. It's just too sensitive of an ability. I don't want to see it come back for versus unless they can make it work right. I don't even think it would really be needed for Judgement. I like the ability, but its purpose was to give people a way to fight those that turtled up. It doesn't do that at all because the person who's already in cover has the advantage of mantling before the person on the offense can get into cover to mantle. Imo, it actually promotes the camping because you get to mantle kick to defend yourself from the guy rushing at you.

[RoboSeal1]

Not a fan of any stun, ink smoke or mantle kick stun

Smoke should smoke
Ink should area denial
And mantle kick should give an advantage not stun the enemy so much that its a guaranteed kill

If mantle kick returns, hopefully its consistent, i believe epic can fix it (look how bad ledges were in gears 2 compared to 3) and hope it gives the kicker an advantage NOT a guaranteed kill

give it the two piece stun it was counterable not guaranteed kill

[CARMINE COG]

If they fix it, yes.

[Cheez it]

It definitely solved the problem of two people awkwardly blind firing across the same cover at each other, plus it added strategy and an increased incentive to rush enemies behind cover.

[Jim Tuna]

meh, I rarely do it so I don't care either way.

[Locust BarmyArmy]

If they fix it, yes.

10 characters.

[Valafar123]

Even if it's fixed, no. I'd rather win cover with a fight rather than winning by having better connection.

[No KNOTsense]

The mantle kick needs to go. It is incredibly frustrating when you're outplaying another player only to have them land a lucky (and glitchy) mantle kick on you and win the fight.

[Valafar123]

While we're at it, the whole stun mechanic needs to go. It's extremely frustrating.

[Flame Theron]

Like everyone else has said, if it's like how it is now then hell no.

[shen Gaoren AJ]

I love mantle kick. Epic should keep it, I thought it was a cool thing geting people out of cover. It made the game more challening.

[JP5]

I'm fine with it staying as long as they fix it so that I don't get kicked after rolling 10 feet back.

[Likuid Ice]

No.

(10 char)

[the_suicide_fox]

Perfect Mantle kick = Up + B

[Trugamer97]

Not really.

[RoboSeal1]

Perfect Mantle kick = Up + B

B might be to crouch in Gears Judgment lol jk

[Nevermind1982]

Yes. Mantle kick is a beast. Love it.

[III HOOP III]

I'd say no. Too inconsistent.

[Doctor Pie 7056]

Perfect Mantle kick = Up + BEh I don't wanna have to do that too lazy

[UberMexican]

I'd personally love to see it return...that is if they get off there butts and fix it. :\

[Sir Mannii]

No, the matle kick sucks. People, don't you miss those battles across the cover? O.o I know i do!

[Evanescence]

No, the matle kick sucks. People, don't you miss those battles across the cover? O.o I know i do!

Not from my end of the stick, No. :p

[Time Victim]

I'd like to see it return.

[E.P.I.C. Lizard]

If they fix it. Although i do it as such a low rate that it normally doesn't screw up. So yes, i would like to see it return.

[Richtophen]

Yes. The idea of it is good and when it works properly, all is well. Unfortunately, it did not work properly in gears 3 for the most part.

1. The person performing the kick should never figdet in place and fail to climb cover (with the camera moving as if he was going to)
2. The person on the recieving end should not be kicked if their character model is more than 1 player length to the side of where the other player is climbing over
3. If this person is far enough back to not be touching the player climbing over, then they should not be kicked.

Sounds pretty basic, but Gears 3 failed to achieve these 3 things due to glitches and bad programmning and I never saw any of it being fixed.

[Rattlecat23]

It should definately come back. Even though the game is set before the trilogy, there's no reason to take a step back from a gameplay perspective

[Onyx Skull]

Yeah it's awesome (when it works)

[Drone *]

If it is fixed with 0 issues, even issues cause by lag, then yes. Right now it is far too inconsistent. So if that cant be fixed, I want it to stay out.

It was the feature I was so excited for, and ended up being the one I was most disappointed with.


100% agree on this, it seems if I am to the right of the person behind cover nowhere near infront of them they can mantle kick me but if they are on the opposite side of cover from me it never works? It's so inconsistent it's ridiculous, it should be removed I think.

[Jester Big Kid]

I hate it. Nope. It's broken.

If it were a bit better then yes. :)

I totally agree ;)

[halofan365]

If it is fixed with 0 issues, even issues cause by lag, then yes. Right now it is far too inconsistent. So if that cant be fixed, I want it to stay out.

It was the feature I was so excited for, and ended up being the one I was most disappointed with.


listen to thy tao for he is wise.

[Jetta]

hell to the no

[TheTrickHit]

YES. It promotes fast paced gameplay and rewards the aggressor. Remember in gears 2 when people just shot from either side of the cover forever.

Hopefully they can fix the issues mentioned, but if they can’t I still would like it included than not at all.

[Gnashty NaS]

If it is fixed with 0 issues, even issues cause by lag, then yes. Right now it is far too inconsistent. So if that cant be fixed, I want it to stay out.

It was the feature I was so excited for, and ended up being the one I was most disappointed with.

Yeah this, it is one of several ways to induce lag, not right.

[Doctor Pie 7056]

Question is what if they can't fix it ?@_@. Would you want it?

[king-mark]

Not unless it's fixed. It's probably the most inconsistent thing in the game.

[A CANADIAN]

100% agree on this, it seems if I am to the right of the person behind cover nowhere near infront of them they can mantle kick me but if they are on the opposite side of cover from me it never works? It's so inconsistent it's ridiculous, it should be removed I think.

How can one agree with that. It's online gaming. It's never going to be issue free. To expect perfection is unreasonable. I almost never has issues with it. When I do it's because I messed up and jumped when I shouldn't have. LOL. Then again, last night it was playing laggy in one game and I had a few times with the same guy where I tried to jump him and my character just got stuck and wouldn't jump....twice. Then he jumped me and killed me. Thankfully a game later I made him rage quit after he talked smack to me. Then he messaged me and called me a sponge among other things. He was sponging, but not me.

[HRPac]

I actually love the mantle kick and hope they bring it back. Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who's never had an issue with it. It works great whenever I've tried to use it.

[Maker]

I think its a good mechanic IF and only if it works consistently. If epic manages that, hail EPIC and the return of the mantle kick. If not no dice. Ill put faith on EPIC to do it right.

[NeroRevolver]

I believe that the mantle kick is far to glitchy and time consuming a feature to try and re-balance and fix.

If it is taken out it marks the return of cover battles which were amazing and we don't have to even worry about rubber banding or CRAZY hit detection issues.

[MxcnPro12]

Fixed - Yes
Same - No

[Rattlecat23]

You can't just remove everything that is inconsistent in a gears game or there would be nothing left ;)

[Viewing the hue]

Yes I'd even take the broken one

[BIG FATTY FLOYD]

It needs to be improved...so until then, no nay never! No nay never no moooooore!

[l TormentZ]

If they can FIX it COMPLETELY to the point where it works FLAWLESSLY then yes......if not I want rid of the damn thing.....I've lost count the amount of battles I've lost because I've gone to mantle kick and my camera has flipped round and I've lagged back to where I was.

[Predalian5]

I still don't know what's wrong with it,
Is it because people are invincible when going down and you have to kick em twice?
Then don't try kick them early, I've never seen anything wrong with it

[OyeDale05]

Nope dont want it back

[Mysterion Rises]

I still don't know what's wrong with it,
Is it because people are invincible when going down and you have to kick em twice?
Then don't try kick them early, I've never seen anything wrong with it

Get the next flight to Scotland and u can see for yourself the problems I have with it and please don't say it's my connection cos I can assure u it's not there's just no servers and if there then god help us all

[Untitled One]

It's too inconsistent. Been so since the beginning. I have a feeling that it might be back, but EPIC somehow gotta make it consistent.

[JUGGERNUT]

even issues cause by lag

So what's your idea then, when there's a good 2 seconds worth of lag.

[Dutchmaster Guru]

I want it to come back fixed and consistent. Great concept poorly executed

[Maaaaaz]

If it is fixed with 0 issues, even issues cause by lag, then yes. Right now it is far too inconsistent. So if that cant be fixed, I want it to stay out.

It was the feature I was so excited for, and ended up being the one I was most disappointed with.

This.

If they can't fix it, it needs to stay out of the game and never, ever return.

[IIIHindleIII]

is so broken and it works when it wants and for them reason i am out (no)

[Gnashes]

If it is fixed with 0 issues, even issues cause by lag, then yes. Right now it is far too inconsistent. So if that cant be fixed, I want it to stay out.

It was the feature I was so excited for, and ended up being the one I was most disappointed with.

This completely.

[DaRkNeSs]

Seeing the amazing changes they've made, I say no I don't want it back. GoWJ is looking damn near perfect

[Billy Hoke]

I want the mantle kick to work.

[DaRkNeSs]

I want the mantle kick to work.

Woah, asking waay to much there ;)

[Jukebox360]

I may sound stupid, but what exactly is the "mantle kick"?

[Mysterion Rises]

I may sound stupid, but what exactly is the "mantle kick"?

Absolute hell

[Gnashes]

I may sound stupid, but what exactly is the "mantle kick"?

When you jump over cover and kick someone backward, stunning them.

[Billy Hoke]

When you jump over cover and kick someone backward, stunning them.

Or alternatively, jumping over cover and not hitting your intended target. Thus standing frozen over cover for a second or two and becoming a sitting duck for your would-be victim.

/Enter respawn screen.

[Scar Tisshoo]

I say no, Gears 1 and 2 had some awesome battles do to you not being able to kick the guy on the other side, also the mantle kick is BROKEN. Sometimes my characters takes a awkward pause and stares at the piece of cover i wanted to jump over.

[TaMe HAVOK]

I wouldn't mind it coming back but they need to fix it...

[DarkSlayerx47]

If it is fixed with 0 issues, even issues cause by lag, then yes. Right now it is far too inconsistent. So if that cant be fixed, I want it to stay out.

It was the feature I was so excited for, and ended up being the one I was most disappointed with.
feel the same, the feature was very promising, then it ended up as a fail...

[xKiLL ZoNEx]

I hope it comes back. It's useful at times.

[I D Nips 781 I]

I'd like it back, but I want it to be fixed

[fsanta]

If it were to be much more consistent than is it now of course id like to see it, but if it stays the same....maybe keep it out :|

[ClearlyBalkan]

Hell yeah. Feature is awesome & completely valid.

[sarasudu]

i like it and it should work as it shuold be..

[omfghowfake]

As broken as it is, I'd rather to just not have it at all.

[DOMINATOI2 x]

No, I loved the intense shotty battles over cover

[YiffYiff Hooray]

Like a hundred said before me yes, but only if it can remain consistent and will benefit me not cause me to die because I do the animation while not actually going over cover or stunning them...

[KO Victory]

No.

1 and 2's blind fire shotgun battles over cover were intense, no one does that nao :(

It's not something that gets me killed too often though, as soon as I see someone running at my cover I know damn well what they are gonna do. Easy kill lol.

[xTZAx]

Mantle kick rules, I just wish it worked more reliably. I'm sure they'll fix it so it'll rule.

[DizzyRules]

Mantle kick rules, I just wish it worked more reliably. I'm sure they'll fix it so it'll rule.

Exactly what I was thinking too. I like it, but its just not consistent.

[julianwelton]

If it is fixed with 0 issues, even issues cause by lag, then yes. Right now it is far too inconsistent. So if that cant be fixed, I want it to stay out.
^^This. It is insanely glitchy right now. If it's not screwing me over (hitting me at an angle from ten feet away) it's, well, screwing me over by not working when I do it.

Side note: If it does come back I liked someones idea of it using the B button instead.

[TrueCore]

If it works properly I don't mind it coming back, but if it doesn't make a return it's ok as well.

[calamity magnum]

Wait people still try to mantle kick? I rarely use it anymore cuz it almost always gets you killed. Though i wanna see it in GOWJ cuz there is always satisfying feeling when you mantle kick two people then gib them. ha

[ll ALEX76 ll]

No, no, no .

[Onyx Scott]

No, no, no .

This, this, this.

[Drone *]

This, this, this.

Agreed, agreed, agreed.

[Devious Sektor]

I like mantle kick so maybe

Agreed, agreed, agreed.

Raam-Zilla, raam-zilla raam-zilla,

[GearsMaestro]

yes, eventhough its ridiculously inconsistent

[olsaltee]

if they could fix the inconsistency with it yes.

On a single occurance had an enemy attempt to slide to the cover i was behind so when i mantle kicked i didnt kick them but for some reason and for a quick second or two i was on there head. I have seen other instances with this with people rolling on stairs they will roll along the rails or wall before dropping down to the ground.

[Cryra]

It's a brilliant idea that's been poorly executed, not sure how it made it into the game TBH. It's far too inconsistent and clunky as others have said.

[II DONUT II]

I love the mantle kick so yes I want it back!

[GoW 3 Killa]

Yes. It was good at the start but now everytime I try to do it, it puts me back to the piece of cover I was in last and someone else then Mantle Kicks me... Dumb

[mmartina]

if it's fix yes it worked great in the beta not so much in retail

[d JonnY cL10 b]

I feel like the mantle kick is something nobody got used to so they complain it's broken. It works effectively for me all the time 99 of 100 actually.

[Tonyth]

If it is fixed with 0 issues, even issues cause by lag, then yes. Right now it is far too inconsistent. So if that cant be fixed, I want it to stay out.

It was the feature I was so excited for, and ended up being the one I was most disappointed with.
This. Just This.

[D4u2s0t]

I think the mantle kick is great, just the way it works is not great. Especially with the evade... the other day, I saw a guy charging me while I was behind cover, I knew he was going to mantle kick, so I moved back, like maybe 7 feet so I could gib him as he hit the ground, except I got knocked backwards anyway even though I was nowhere near him. It acted like I was still in cover.

[RoboSeal1]

If they fixed ledges from gears 2 they can fix mantle kick

[I Love U Jesus]

I don't want to see it return at all.

[ValeraPitiesDaFool]

As long as it's fixed.

It's way too inconsistent right now.

[I woah I]

Some people don't like so I would like to hear some opinions
i want it out. no ifs, ands, or buts. GONE.

[jhock21]

no i hated mantle kick from day one and still do and always got flamed for it. having little battles over half cover where precision aim and timing is far more satisfying to me then *A button* ---> 5 second stun ---> win.

not even gonna get into the consistancy and detection issues with it.

[ValeraPitiesDaFool]

i want it out. no ifs, ands, or buts. GONE.
Heh, didn't know you had a Forum account, woah.

[LordOfDeath]

If they fix it, then yeah. If not, then f*ck it.

[II EVOL ONE II]

I love the concept of the mantle kick and I use it all the time. They just need to perfect it. I hope it does return in Gears J