Please dont nerf anything

[Eliguy5]

The harder it is to get kills with a weapon on this the more i will want to take it back. Kinda why i took gears 2 back. The game is perfect right now and needs no changes. Just let the community think of how to get around somone using a certain weapon instead of just going oh ok lets just nerf this now so no one wants to use it anymore... Reminds me of a certain weapon in this game.

[Maaaaaz]

Nerf everything or increase health, because you just die too fast no matter what weapon.

[Eliguy5]

Doing that is why everyone was forced to use the gnasher in the old games

[He Bridish]

Nerf everything or increase health, because you just die too fast no matter what weapon.

I wouldn't mind a bit of a health increase, starting weapons' damage is creeping up to power weapons' damage. :D

[Evanescence]

I agree with both of you.

[NP473L]

Yup...I want to see all starting weapons have reduced damage/range potential...dying is too quick in this game for my taste.

[Mistress Luna]

The harder it is to get kills with a weapon on this the more i will want to take it back.

How dare Epic Games make weapons harder to use!? How dare they make weapons require skill in order to work!?

[Yeneral Yank]

although i would personally change somethings, overall agreed with OP. its an even playing field for all. just play.

[SiMBiiOTE]

Plz nerf the Gnashers range.

[Mistress Luna]

Plz nerf the Gnashers range.

The Shotguns are fine. All three of them. The Gnasher, the Sawed Off Shotgun and the Retro Lancer.

[xX DOMmented Xx]

The Shotguns are fine. All three of them. The Gnasher, the Sawed Off Shotgun and the Retro Lancer.

I'm going to take it that you don't play much because the shotguns are FAR from fine.

[Mistress Luna]

I'm going to take it that you don't play much because the shotguns are FAR from fine.

Personally, I class the Retro Lancer as a shotgun. So yes, the shotguns are awesome. It's a Gnasher with more bullets, a larger range and no spread.

[NP473L]

The Shotguns are fine. All three of them. The Gnasher, the Sawed Off Shotgun and the Retro Lancer.

The Shotguns are fine. I'm ready to rip this to pieces

All three of them. :D:D:D:D:D:D - Major props...earnt a place in my sig (not that that's much to shout about)

[IYB MasturAZee]

Yup...I want to see all starting weapons have reduced damage/range potential...dying is too quick in this game for my taste.
have you ever played cod?

[xIx ANTI xIx]

interesting discussion going on here ...

[NP473L]

have you ever played cod?

Yes :D

But I never feel engaged with my opponent in any situation anymore. It seems that we're always too scared to move out of cover, because we know that the first one to get hit will come off worse and die (that's with rifles too thanks to stopping power). That, for me, is not the fun of Gears of War. I remember saying it a long time ago. All weapons are OP to try and attract casual players, but it has destroyed one of the beautiful aspects of this game. There are no 'battles' anymore. It's all about who blinks first, and in that sense, the satisfaction of a kill is greatly reduced.

Obviously there are exceptions to this rule...but for the sake of argument, I'm going to accept that they are confounding variables.

[Cowtao]

I really don't think Epic should nerf anything right now except for the incendiaries. Just slightly nerf the range and every thing is fine. Everyone complains about the retro being cheap but thats what kills Gnasher users. Pretty much everything in this game is near balanced.

[IYB MasturAZee]

Yes :D

But I never feel engaged with my opponent in any situation anymore. It seems that we're always too scared to move out of cover, because we know that the first one to get hit will come off worse and die (that's with rifles too thanks to stopping power). That, for me, is not the fun of Gears of War. I remember saying it a long time ago. All weapons are OP to try and attract casual players, but it has destroyed one of the beautiful aspects of this game. There are no 'battles' anymore. It's all about who blinks first, and in that sense, the satisfaction of a kill is greatly reduced.

Obviously there are exceptions to this rule...but for the sake of argument, I'm going to accept that they are confounding variables.
I agree that makes sense.

[GTRandy]

Make all power weapons actually power weapons. Unless its boomshot/sniper/torque who cares...

[vDemon]

I do think the retro does need a bit of a nerf.
The power on the gun is ridiculous.

[Blaze562]

Lancer actives?

[Dutchmaster Guru]

Lancer actives?

Retro is still way more op than a active lancer

[xIx ANTI xIx]

Retro is still way more op than a active lancer

And even more with an active reload while tapping the trigger like a hammerburst ;)

[Dutchmaster Guru]

And even more with an active reload while tapping the trigger like a hammerburst ;)

I think the retro is the only op and nerf needed gun in the game

[Limelights]

The Retro and Hammerburst need a tiny nerf, in either stopping power or damage. Once that happens i'm all for giving the Gnasher a RoF decrease or less range.

As the game stands now the Gnasher and Sawed-off SHOTGUNS are outclassed in close-range by every rifle in the game.

[xX DOMmented Xx]

This place gets worse by the day; its like the blind leading the blind around here. The gnasher in no way is fine. And I can see how eople say the retro is OP, but it has to be so there is some kind of counter to the OP gnasher. The devs admit the gnasher is OP, so don't act like it's not.

[xabax7]

To be honest, I'm out of Gears 3 if changes in the weapons end up benefiting only the Gnasher. That made me leave the Gears 2.

[Gnasher4Life]

Nerf the machine guns. Leave the gnasher alone but fix the inconsistency if that's possible

[Cobryza]

The Shotguns are fine. I'm ready to rip this to pieces

All three of them. :D:D:D:D:D:D - Major props...earnt a place in my sig (not that that's much to shout about) Yeah the gnasher is overpowered.

[Dynamic Reflux]

Nerf the machine guns. Leave the gnasher alone but fix the inconsistency if that's possible

Really? The gnasher is more powerful than any of the other starting weapons. Needs nerfing, but people like you don't want it. The rifles are perfect. Only good-great players can kill people in close quarters with the rifles. Retro in long range also requires a great deal of practice to get the hang of.

[plomaster69]

NERF RETRO. Its WAY too overpowered. take off SP and reduce dmg. make a fall off too....

[Dynamic Reflux]

NERF RETRO. Its WAY too overpowered. take off SP and reduce dmg. make a fall off too....

Wrong!

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[vick818]

Everytime I read threads like this I always feel like players complain about the weapons they get owned by the most or most recent. I mean **** if I get my ass kicked I don't blame the gun the way I look at it is the guy outplayed me. The only weapons that I feel might be OP'd are the spread itself of the SOS and the retro lancer's damage/sp along with the lancer clip.

[Dynamic Reflux]

Everytime I read threads like this I always feel like players complain about the weapons they get owned by the most or most recent. I mean **** if I get my ass kicked I don't blame the gun the way I look at it is the guy outplayed me. The only weapons that I feel might be OP'd are the spread itself of the SOS and the retro lancer's damage/sp along with the lancer clip.

It's not overpowered. You just got outplayed dude.

[GOLEAFSGO]

please nerf everything

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[vick818]

It's not overpowered. You just got outplayed dude.

I had to retype this message because my internet crashed but here it goes..I also used the retro and sos like you do judging from your posts. This was my first gow game ever played and I couldn't handle the gnasher it didn't matter if I used the gnasher myself or hb/lancer. So I needed to use a clearly op'd weapon to tip the tide heavily in my favor or use my other strategy waiting behind cover as an unsuspected victim ran by while I whipped out my trusty sos and killed them w/o aiming. I got better with experience so now I feel good knowing when I get a kill I didn't use a clearly op'd weapon :)

[mach1545]

The Retro and Hammerburst need a tiny nerf, in either stopping power or damage. Once that happens i'm all for giving the Gnasher a RoF decrease or less range.

As the game stands now the Gnasher and Sawed-off SHOTGUNS are outclassed in close-range by every rifle in the game.

I don't really see how the Hammerburst outclasses the Gnasher in close quarters...

[Dynamic Reflux]

I had to retype this message because my internet crashed but here it goes..I also used the retro and sos like you do judging from your posts. This was my first gow game ever played and I couldn't handle the gnasher it didn't matter if I used the gnasher myself or hb/lancer. So I needed to use a clearly op'd weapon to tip the tide heavily in my favor or use my other strategy waiting behind cover as an unsuspected victim ran by while I whipped out my trusty sos and killed them w/o aiming. I got better with experience so now I feel good knowing when I get a kill I didn't use a clearly op'd weapon :)

Nothing to do with weapon you used, but if you can't see that the G3 Gnasher isn't OP then go play Zeta or watch Beta footage. The G3 gnasher is really overpowered. When the beta came out people complained about the SOS. So they made the Gnasher more powerful for retail making both shotguns very equal. People continued complaining and then starting going back to G2, so they nerfed the SOS. Making the Gnasher superior in power and range and ammunition, which it shouldn't have been. The less aiming is a compromise for the 1 shot magazine. Now with the distance reduced even further, the Gnasher has the same range and more ammo. It also has an insane active, which again is unbalanced. If the SO has no active bonus, then the Gnasher shouldn't. The SO is an alternative to the Gnasher and was brought in for people that don't want to use the Gnasher.

[MOB]

Really? The gnasher is more powerful than any of the other starting weapons. Needs nerfing, but people like you don't want it. The rifles are perfect. Only good-great players can kill people in close quarters with the rifles. Retro in long range also requires a great deal of practice to get the hang of.

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[vick818]

Nothing to do with weapon you used, but if you can't see that the G3 Gnasher isn't OP then go play Zeta or watch Beta footage. The G3 gnasher is really overpowered. When the beta came out people complained about the SOS. So they made the Gnasher more powerful for retail making both shotguns very equal. People continued complaining and then starting going back to G2, so they nerfed the SOS. Making the Gnasher superior in power and range and ammunition, which it shouldn't have been. The less aiming is a compromise for the 1 shot magazine. Now with the distance reduced even further, the Gnasher has the same range and more ammo. It also has an insane active, which again is unbalanced. If the SO has no active bonus, then the Gnasher shouldn't. The SO is an alternative to the Gnasher and was brought in for people that don't want to use the Gnasher.

The only starter weapon I fear in this game is the retro it's just too damn powerful. If someone gets the jump on me in a gnasher battle I can still kill him, and or escape try doing that against the retro? No chance what's so ever that things stopping power pretty much freezes you. The best weapons close range are the gnasher/retro so why is it one weapon dominates the other? I understand it was made to counterattack the gnasher but to the point it dominates it? The way I see it you need a skilled gnasher player to go up against an average retro player to even it out.. You run with retro/sos which is purely cqb/with some mid-range wouldn't it be obvious you get killed a lot by gnasher thus making you believe it's op'd? I run with hb/gnasher so while my class may not excel at one particular thing it's well rounded so my deaths are evened out across the weapon types while you probaly die alot by the gnasher.

[CanadianGnasher]

Getting shot by the retro is like I stepped in a puddle of jam. :p

[GOLEAFSGO]

i agree that the gnasher is op however it makes the rifles look like freaking mulchers. They all need a nerf as far as I'm concerned. Especially because people are starting to figure out they can get by through pure rifle use. Every game I get into its a team exclusively using the retro and I'm sorry its just flat out idiotic when its five guys using that gun or any rifle for that mastter.

You can make the case for the gnasher as well I guess but I think its way more noticeable for the rifles. More specifically, its simply too easy to use the retro and dominate and this is minimizing the motivation to use other weapons.

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[Limelights]

I don't really see how the Hammerburst outclasses the Gnasher in close quarters...

Easy, if someone wants to stand in front of you with a Hammerburst you're walking away AT LEAST full red, then the guy next to him takes you out with one shot. It's the same for every rifle in the game: unless you hit every shot with your Gnasher you're going to lose.

[cmann333]

Retro is super op. Gnasher is FINE.
Gears 1,2,3 - all have gnasher
Gears 3 - introduced retro
I'm not saying anything else.

[FelisLeo]

Gnasher is WAY overpowered, but I DON'T WANT ANY CHANGES ANYMORE! I can live with Gnasher rushers, so I expect Gnasher rushers to live with rifle experts.

I just want to learn to play the game as it is, develop tactics with my friends and just enjoy the game as it is. NO MORE NERFS OR BUFFS PLEASE!

[>I Am Legend<]

We have enough health guys, in other games the second the guy see's you, your toast and butter. In gears you have a chance to turn the tables, also what is the point to buff weapons only to increase health and go back to weapons not killing again except for the gnasher? Sponging will also get worse by a health increase.

[Dynamic Reflux]

The only starter weapon I fear in this game is the retro it's just too damn powerful. If someone gets the jump on me in a gnasher battle I can still kill him, and or escape try doing that against the retro? No chance what's so ever that things stopping power pretty much freezes you. The best weapons close range are the gnasher/retro so why is it one weapon dominates the other? I understand it was made to counterattack the gnasher but to the point it dominates it? The way I see it you need a skilled gnasher player to go up against an average retro player to even it out.. You run with retro/sos which is purely cqb/with some mid-range wouldn't it be obvious you get killed a lot by gnasher thus making you believe it's op'd? I run with hb/gnasher so while my class may not excel at one particular thing it's well rounded so my deaths are evened out across the weapon types while you probaly die alot by the gnasher.

I like how you assume that I run around with retro/sos all the time and die a lot to the gnasher. Most of my deaths are stupid, at least 10000 of them have come because I thought I could go and take out 4 people by myself, which usually ends up getting me killed. Or Sponging etc. When you sponge SOS, usually you die or get fully red. And no I do not die a lot to the gnasher. Mostly power weapons. The vast majority of my gnasher deaths are updates. The Gnasher is OP for the following reasons:

8 bullet magazine
Power and Range of a normal bullet
Power and Range of an active bullet
Little if any aiming required, I use it and only ever have to aim when I am outnumbered.
Gibbing range much further than that of the SOS (trust me I have gibbed people from medium range)

Anyone can get many kills with the Gnasher, anyone. Great players can kill with it easily, noobs can kill with it easily. I have friends who just started playing Gears 3, they were getting Gnasher kills like nothing. They couldn't stand the diversity in weapons so they left. You give a noob a retro, he will aim and spray or hipfire. They won't be able down people from long range or close range bursting the rifle or anything. If you give them a SOS, they will aim from a distance and shoot, when it doesn't kill them, they will camp behind a wall. Give them a lancer, they will hardaim the crap out of people, but in close range instead of hipfiring they will rev the chainsaw and most of the time die. See my point. Not only is the Gnasher easy to use, but also very OP. Epic admitted they can't do anything about it because too many noobs will complain.