Rifles need to be nerfed

[HaVeRCoOcH]

What made gears popular had nothing to do with sitting in a tower with a lancer, its the intense close combat battles with shotgun's and melee. This game has turned into nothing more than 5 people camping a given high point on any map.
Sandbar being the worst followed by Overpass and Drydock. I own all 3 gears and it seems the Devs made this game much more noob friendly instead of the extremely high skill cap which existed in Gears 1

I rocked a little over 2.0 kdr in both Gears 1 and 2 and for some reason im barley holding a 1.0 in Gears 3 mainly because nobody rocks the shotgun anymore (Gnasher/Saw)

The fun I had is quickly turning into frustration

[Captain Bannon]

Here's a suggestion, use your rifle, or if you cannot or do not wish to or don't have any skill, or patience for it go back to playing Gears of War 1 or Gears of War 2.

[HaVeRCoOcH]

Here's a suggestion, use your rifle, or if you cannot or do not wish to or don't have any skill, or patience for it go back to playing Gears of War 1 or Gears of War 2.

LOL My point... the rifles take no skill whatsoever

[cynister]

Wow another one of these...

Go to your medals. Scroll down to your weapon specializations. Look at your kill count with each weapon.

I can tell you that my shotgun kills are more than double my AR kills in this game where all people do is "sit in a tower with a lancer."

If anyone has more kills with a rifle than their shotguns PLEASE tell me how in the world that happened in this game.

[HaVeRCoOcH]

"Wow another one of these..."

Its obviously a problem if that was your first response....

[Captain Bannon]

HaVeRCoOcH, I did not in any way prove your point, and you said shotgun, so therefore I can use either of them? =P Do you really think that it makes sense to base the game around a shotgun? Rifles were meant to be what they are now, that's how Epic made it, and they're not going to change the entire formula of the game just because your whining, seriously, just take the patience to wait for them to reload if you must, they do only have a certain amount of bullets.

[Vo1com]

More noob friendly, meaning new people to the series can come in and easily get into the mix of things, thus selling more copies of the game and making Epic more money? I would say that is a smart business move on their part.

Maybe these "campers" who camp out on high spots in these maps, have some strategy and can easily hold off the people who dont know how to counter attack them and get them out of these spots?

People running around 2 piecing and only using the shotgun made for a pretty boring game...

[Captain Bannon]

"Wow another one of these..."

Its obviously a problem if that was your first response....

No, he's simply complaining that he has to go on to a forum of people whining because, they think that the "All-mighty gnasher is...bla bla bla"

[SovereignXI]

LOL My point... the rifles take no skill whatsoever Every weapon takes some form of skill, least of all shotguns. Insta-gibs, 8 rounds, fast reload ect. They put cover in the game for a reason 'use it or lose it'.

[cynister]

"Wow another one of these..."

Its obviously a problem if that was your first response....

It is NOT a problem. Obviously your point is moot because the vast majority of kills collected in this game are with a shotgun. You seem to take issue with this game because rifles are legitimate weapons unlike the nerf guns they were in 1 and 2.

[HaVeRCoOcH]

You can shoot the lancer for 12+seconds without reloading its stupid

[Madman Redux]

It'll never cease to amaze me how people can claim a weapon that takes many, many landed shots to drop an opponent is somehow more powerful than a weapon that can kill in one shot with relative ease.

The balance of this game is actually working pretty well, IMO. The rifles finally are useful, but they are not overbearing. They are a strategic option that complements the shotgun.

People claim the shotgun battles are what made Gears great. Others claim the rifles are what do it for them. Thing is, to succeed in this game, you have to be skilled with both kinds of weapons, rifles and shotguns. That's what makes Gears 3 a deeper and richer experience. Some won't like that it's not streamlined for shotguns anymore, but I don't understand why. Rifles don't prevent people from using shotguns. The gnasher is still extremely powerful. If you want to use the gnasher and only the gnasher, you're free to do so.

But don't blame the game if you won't play it as it's designed and find only moderate success.

[Pink Floydian]

I guess you're often playing with people who tend to abuse each weapon in their own way. A similar debate could be set up for any weapon. I see more people strictly running around with their sawed offs, or gnashers way more often then people who camp. But both tactics are incredibly easy to counter. It's you, not the game.

[Madman Redux]

You can shoot the lancer for 12+seconds without reloading its stupid
You can walk up to someone with a gnasher, which is a starting weapon, and kill them with one shot. It's stupid.

Disliking things works in many ways.

[ALEXHUMPH]

Too right, the lancer is ****ed up on this game,

[cynister]

It'll never cease to amaze me how people can claim a weapon that takes many, many landed shots to drop an opponent is somehow more powerful than a weapon that can kill in one shot with relative ease.

The balance of this game is actually working pretty well, IMO. The rifles finally are useful, but they are not overbearing. They are a strategic option that complements the shotgun.

People claim the shotgun battles are what made Gears great. Others claim the rifles are what do it for them. Thing is, to succeed in this game, you have to be skilled with both kinds of weapons, rifles and shotguns. That's what makes Gears 3 a deeper and richer experience. Some won't like that it's not streamlined for shotguns anymore, but I don't understand why. Rifles don't prevent people from using shotguns. The gnasher is still extremely powerful. If you want to use the gnasher and only the gnasher, you're free to do so.

But don't blame the game if you won't play it as it's designed and find only moderate success.

^^^^^This is perfect. This is getting posted on every thread I see relating to rifle/shotgun balance from now on.

[sooooo]

If anyone has more kills with a rifle than their shotguns PLEASE tell me how in the world that happened in this game.

i have more kills with my lancer than any of the shotguns i have like 4000+ kills with my lancer i dont even have half of that with any of the shotguns

[cynister]

i have more kills with my lancer than any of the shotguns i have like 4000+ kills with my lancer, i dont even have half of that with any of the shotguns

my mind = blown

[BATTOUSAI]

Wow another one of these...

Go to your medals. Scroll down to your weapon specializations. Look at your kill count with each weapon.

I can tell you that my shotgun kills are more than double my AR kills in this game where all people do is "sit in a tower with a lancer."

If anyone has more kills with a rifle than their shotguns PLEASE tell me how in the world that happened in this game.

Don't have the numbers in front of me, but I have WAY more kills with the Lancer than with the Gnasher. Somewhere around double if I remember correctly. My MO is to use the lancer until someone get's too close, then shotgun battle them. Works pretty well against dudes who want to shotgun blast me so bad they ignore the fact that I'm holding a rifle and run directly at me...

[cynister]

Don't have the numbers in front of me, but I have WAY more kills with the Lancer than with the Gnasher. Somewhere around double if I remember correctly. My MO is to use the lancer until someone get's too close, then shotgun battle them. Works pretty well against dudes who want to shotgun blast me so bad they ignore the fact that I'm holding a rifle and run directly at me...

hmmmmmm does anybody know where to find the stats on total kill counts for each weapon? I am very interested now

[Fart]

Rifles are fine, play private matches with other people who can't cope If you want gnasher only battles

[Captain Bannon]

It's under versus stats dude. just use your LB and RB buttons to scroll around.

[bison187]

If people want to be serious when referring to changes in weapons, they should drop the word nerf. At this point it just has a bad name in the same way conspiracy does. The only thing that could use adjusting is the clip sizes. Go back to Gears 2 in that sense. IMO the actives should only give you a 5-10% damage boost, not the nearly 50% or higher. To me that would eliminate most of the need for people to Active Reload boost all there shots every single time they shoot prior to engaging in opposition. Something I thought would have been taken into consideration awhile ago, don't think that'll ever happen though.


Magazine sizes. Put them back, it was fine in previous games, we just wanted a damage boost so it didn't take two whole clips into a person to down/kill them with the Lancer.

[rubberdaffy]

LOL My point... the rifles take no skill whatsoever

Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!!! Always someone saying something about this gun or that gun or that thing takes no skill. LOL!!!!

[Kratos1902]

Rilfes are good as they are, like i said countless times before, they are supposed to be assault rifles, they suppose to hurt, rifles will not be nerfed

[Captain Bannon]

Well, Haver, I think we have enough people against you to consider your idea completly, dumb. If all you want is shotguns, like I said go back to one or two and stay away from three, since you cannot cope.

[baldbean]

hmmmmmm does anybody know where to find the stats on total kill counts for each weapon? I am very interested now

Somewhere around here there was a page that showed a pie chart of the number of kills per weapon and such. It was around the time of the SOS adjustment. I'll look around and post a link if I find it.

[Fenix Rising]

Here is what I don't get...The "Vets" complain that they are getting beat by "Noobs" on here, constantly. Isn't it supposed to be the other way around?

Either its bc of the SoS, the Lancer, or basically any gun that isn't a shotgun. Excuse me, The Gnasher Shotgun.

Here is my opinion. I think that alot of the newer players to the franchise think a little more outside of the box in terms of what a large amount of "Vets" are used to gameplay and strategy wise.

I've been with the franchise since Gears 1 and yes, I admit, back then it was alot about shotgunning, shotty duels,etc.
But the games have changed with each new title & this is the 1st in the entire franchise that has been balanced to the point of not being a 1 gun game.

I think whats frustrating so many of you is 1 simple fact...

For the 1st time in quite some time you are a noob to an evolving style of gameplay the franchise has yet to achieve until this entry.

Some people have had no trouble adjusting. Some are still struggling with the change. Personally, I have nothing bad to say about Gears 3. I think that this game represents perfectly what the franchise has always intended to be since its launch.

[KC Anthony]

It'll never cease to amaze me how people can claim a weapon that takes many, many landed shots to drop an opponent is somehow more powerful than a weapon that can kill in one shot with relative ease.

The balance of this game is actually working pretty well, IMO. The rifles finally are useful, but they are not overbearing. They are a strategic option that complements the shotgun.

People claim the shotgun battles are what made Gears great. Others claim the rifles are what do it for them. Thing is, to succeed in this game, you have to be skilled with both kinds of weapons, rifles and shotguns. That's what makes Gears 3 a deeper and richer experience. Some won't like that it's not streamlined for shotguns anymore, but I don't understand why. Rifles don't prevent people from using shotguns. The gnasher is still extremely powerful. If you want to use the gnasher and only the gnasher, you're free to do so.

But don't blame the game if you won't play it as it's designed and find only moderate success.

Greatness!!! OP should read that over and over til it sinks in

To OP, you said your k/d dropped in this game verses the others. But this game has faster movement speed and better, smoother wallbouncing than ever. So are you saying that because the rifles are actually useful in there ranges that now you can't even make it close enough to kill them? Rifles are legit in this game, go practice your wallbouncing in horde or private and come to multiplayer when your skill is ready.

Stop trying the nerf the rifles, so your preferred playstyle can dominate. Gnasher is beast and dominates every weapon in close range. If you cant even make it into close range then you are doing something wrong, not the game!

[Sharp D]

Wow another one of these...

Go to your medals. Scroll down to your weapon specializations. Look at your kill count with each weapon.

I can tell you that my shotgun kills are more than double my AR kills in this game where all people do is "sit in a tower with a lancer."

If anyone has more kills with a rifle than their shotguns PLEASE tell me how in the world that happened in this game.

I have over 50% with my hammy and Tower Camping gets you killed fast by a gears vet.

[baldbean]

http://addicted-gamers.com/2011/10/11/epic-games-nerfs-gears-of-war-3-sawed-off-now-with-pie-charts/

Pie charts on weapons

[LOKEN]

What made gears popular had nothing to do with sitting in a tower with a lancer, its the intense close combat battles with shotgun's and melee. This game has turned into nothing more than 5 people camping a given high point on any map.
Sandbar being the worst followed by Overpass and Drydock. I own all 3 gears and it seems the Devs made this game much more noob friendly instead of the extremely high skill cap which existed in Gears 1

I rocked a little over 2.0 kdr in both Gears 1 and 2 and for some reason im barley holding a 1.0 in Gears 3 mainly because nobody rocks the shotgun anymore (Gnasher/Saw)

The fun I had is quickly turning into frustration

What makes gears good NOW is that it HAS MORE OPTIONS (more guns). you still can get a great gnaser4 fight don't get me wrong.. its just OBVIOUS that the lancer sucked in 1 and 2 so they made it RIGHT... i don't wanna refer cliff but i will... he even said that it was never saposta be about a shotgun fight.. and i agree.. you cant just get rid of every gun and say its gears of war.. not right. all guns have a point of action in this game. whether you like it or not. some have more power...some don't use this to your advantage to get your results.. duh? and as far as you crying over high points and ****... well get there first maybe? and really.. games change. look at halo... reach is a fooking joke nothing like 3..but any way gears 3 is NEW you cant just cry cuz its not like one or 2.. fooking do your best man. blahhhh
ps i LOVE the SOS and lancer hehehe

[ROBOTIC JESUS]

its nice to see people agree that the lancers are finally in balance with the rest of the game and not just a shotty fest, i use a shotgun alot, but thats because i play KOTH most the time, its difficult to lancer kill someone when your stuck in a small space with people barging into your hill, but by no means is the lancer over powered, i can use both shotguns and lancers equal, more people should be able to do that instead of always wanting one gun to be god over everything else

[ShadowsEnclosed]

OP, think about it, what you're requesting is that it should take multiple clips for an AR to both down and kill an opponent. You should not have to empty a clip into an opponent, reload and then down and kill the opponent with the second clip.

Rifles are fine, and there was long and medium range back in the past 2 Gears. The Lancer has always packed a punch and I know for a fact the pistol downs with two bullets left in a clip in Gears 1, and it only takes a second to empty that clip.

[Akuzimo]

Shut the hell up with these posts already. You act like everyone wants to use a damn shotgun. I don't like using shotguns. In any game I play. Battlefield? Call of Duty? Any of the 3 gears games? GoldenEye? Perfect Dark? Homefront? Doom? Any of these games, I'm not a shotgun fan. But here we go, I like playing gears, yes. I like using a solid Assault Rifle in every first person shooter because I like them. So what you're saying to me, is that I suddenly have to be forced to use a shotgun? Is that what I'm hearing? I don't want to use the damn Gnasher. If I wanted to use the Gnasher, I'd use the Gnasher. I want to use the Lancer because it's an AR, which I like. I'm tired of hearing people trying to make it so the Gnasher is the dominant thing in this game. Intense CQB did not make this game what it is. While I admit it is probably one heck of an adrenaline rush, it did not make the game. There's this thing called a Silent Majority, they don't care about any of this stuff. What made gears is the money. The numbers that Epic got back for the game being sold, which some of you could argue is because of the CQB, but I digress. You want to play Intense CQB? .... Hell they should make that a playlist. Just Gnashers. But at any rate, find people who want to do Gnashers, host your own event with a post on the forum and invite people who just want to run around and gib everyone. Stop trying to tell me how to play this game. This game, in your eyes, isn't going to be perfect until every weapon is nerfed so far into oblivion that the Gnasher is the only viable weapon on this planet. If it defeats a Gnasher, it's OP. Plain and simple, that's what I'm seeing. Gears 1? Lancer. Gears 2? Lancer. Gears 3? Oh wouldn't you know it, Lancer. Sure, I keep a Gnasher on me, I never use the SoS in my load-out. I even use the Gnasher at points when I have to. Do I want to be forced to use the damned thing? No. Not on your life. Leave the guns alone. People like using Gnashers, that's cool. But it seems to be forgotten that the Lancer has its fans. The Retro has its fans, the Hammerburst, the HoD, the Mortar, the Boomshot, and god-forbid, the SoS has their fans. Until every other fanbase in this game is killed, and only the Gnasher users are left, it's not going to be perfect.

That is a damn shame.

[bjo510]

I can't believe how people just come to this conclusion. My load out since launch has been Retro Lancer/Gnasher Shotgun. I get smashed on every day by rifle users. It doesn't make the gun overpowered. People don't even take into account player skill level anymore. Sure not everyone who kills you is going to be more skilled than you, but that doesn't mean the gun is overpowered because there are people out there who have honed their skill with the rifle of their choice. The same way people hone their skill with the shotgun.

At the end of the day some people just refuse to see that a majority of guns in GoW3 are only as good as the people that use them.

[Jami San]

The close battles DID NOT make Gears popular!!! Most of us love the whole spectrum of choosing the appropriate weapon for the situation. YOU NEED TO BE NERFED!

[greenblackman]

rifles dont need to be nerfed... nuff said?

[IPlatinum]

The problem is no one plays gears1 and gears 2 is just too laggy so what can us veterans do idk play call of duty

[IPlatinum]

Btw if you were good at the first two gears you'd understand and everyone who uses AR are bums who can't handle 1vs and if you don believe me invite me and
Wreck you in a shotty battle in any gears
Game

[OyeDale05]

All the rifles are overpowered.. you got to understand this game was meant to be a noob friendly game so any scrub can get kills.

[RONAN]

I swear, for a game about Macho dudes with big guns kicking ass, the amount of crybabies in the fanbase is astounding to me. Nerf this nerf that god damn its just sickening.

[myevo8you]

So, if YOU get killed by a "noob" with your SUPERIOR skills, what does that make you?

[cynister]

http://addicted-gamers.com/2011/10/11/epic-games-nerfs-gears-of-war-3-sawed-off-now-with-pie-charts/

Pie charts on weapons

Thanks, that was very informative. It surprised me just how many kills the lancer gets, I'll keep those stats in mind.

[War Pigs]

when he said 'melee' i stoped taking him seriously.

[Mysterion]

First it was the sawed off now it's the rifles!!! people are always complaining about the guns being this and that will it ever end??

The rifles in gears 1 and 2 mp were awful now they are brilliant!!! If your getting whipped by campers with their rifles then find some grenades or a power weapon and flush them out but don't forget this is a cover based shooter so if ur getting killed by campers then that's your own fault!!! There is a tactic for everything and there is a weapon for every situation!!! Let the campers come after u instead of going for them!!! But the rifles are awesome and brilliant against people with sawed off shotguns

[KAKARO7 187]

Btw if you were good at the first two gears you'd understand and everyone who uses AR are bums who can't handle 1vs and if you don believe me invite me and
Wreck you in a shotty battle in any gears
Game

Or they could be mainly support players looking to build damage on teammates so others can win battles easier. I use my rifle a lot and I still have 5500+ Gnasher kills. 1v1 is the dumbest thing I have ever heard of when it comes to this game besides tryhard only because its 4v4 or 5v5 and your team is going to be the reason you win or lose whether or not your pulling the majority of the kills.

[Eliguy5]

No way man.

[jalee_x]

LOL My point... the rifles take no skill whatsoever

Takes more bullets to kill someone with a rifle than a Gnasher.

[NFI]

No.

/thread

[Maverick Phantom]

People are complaining because rifles are now effective, the gnasher is still one of the best weapons in the game. But still people moan because the rifles can be used for there intended purpose and dont fire bad thoughts at your enemy like they used to. Also the 1v1 tryhard argument is a joke pro-tip: this is a team game. Call me crazy but gears 3 is my favourite of the series.

[KC Anthony]

Glad to see the people who support the rifle play and having all guns be effective being more vocal on the forums. If we leave it up to these guys they won't stop til everything is nerfed back to gnasher domination.

1vs1 belong in private this is warzone

[ZzzKOOLBiiRDzzZ]

There is no need for a nerf. You bought a game where Marcus is holding a LANCER on all three covers, and now you complain when his trusty companion ACTUALLY WORKS. The lancer hasn't been VIABLE in 5 years!!!! It's excalibur to Arthur, and it's the poster boy of the game. EPIC has added depth to this game, and you can't handle it. Controlling a map is crucial for the win, and PATIENCE is a VIRTUE.

There may be concerns about this game; such as the resets and ranked disconnects, but the weapon complaints are ridiculous. I firmly believe that there aren't ENOUGH weapons for people like you to complain about.

[SiMBiiOTE]

Skill is when you're able to kill opponents that are using equally formidable weapons.

If ur asking Epic to weaken the rifles you need to ask yourself if you ever really had skill in the first place.

[Mysterion]

Skill is when you're able to kill opponents that are using equally formidable weapons.

If ur asking Epic to weaken the rifles you need to ask yourself if you ever really had skill in the first place.

This man has said it perfectly couldn't agree more

[Stylo]

Skill is when you're able to kill opponents that are using equally formidable weapons.

If ur asking Epic to weaken the rifles you need to ask yourself if you ever really had skill in the first place.

Damn your right!

[ColeTrainsTrainer]

You can shoot the lancer for 12+seconds without reloading its stupid

It's only stupid when the target stays in the rifles sights for those said 12 seconds.

Movement is key, then clip size counts for nothing.

[Crimson]

To the original poster, I agree to a little nerf of all rifles to prevent being downed instantly because I notice it happens from any distance. The strength of the rifles is too high, the minute you are getting hit and try to take cover you're downed, I'm not saying make it a shotgun fest (which everyone seems to think the minute you say nerf rifles) I'm saying there was a balance before and now you don't heal fast enough and you get downed way too easy in this game that it has become worthless to revive since it is also a death sentence to do so. The minute you are downed, it is 99% certain you will die even if your partner is next to you. In Gears 1 + 2, there was a window of opportunity and reward for reviving your partner. You can possibly live through reviving your partner in Gears 1 + 2 but in 3 it is most certain death or you are trading your life for his. In many cases the downed partner gets killed and so do you for trying to revive him. This needs to be addressed.