The Sawed-Off isn't used by new players.

[Coleyman]

It's used by experienced players who are too lazy to earn kills with the Gnasher. They know that getting kills with the Sawed-Off is much easier than with the Gnasher; there's no point in putting in more effort for the same result. The whole idea of 'David can kill Goliath' totally backfired.

[ImperialGuard39]

I have to agree, I see a lot of SOS users at the top of the team with almost no deaths, and no kills without the SOS.

[Celestial Haven]

yup, it seems that people who are really good at the game, abuse it just for free kills. i use it more so i can be a douchebag to all who approach me.

[Coleyman]

yup, it seems that people who are really good at the game, abuse it just for free kills.

When you have two guns that have the same gib range (or even longer, as the SO did pre-nerf), but one has a wider spread, it's obvious which one players will use. I can't understand how Epic didn't forsee this.

[Painmaster212]

The thing with the sawed off is its very consistent with its kills unlike the gnasher when you can shoot someone 2 or 3 times at point blank range and they turn around and pop you once and ur gone. I think thats why the sawed off is used so much cause its consistent within its range but the best players know that on certain maps which shotgun and rifle is best and change their loadout accurately and dont use the same guns over and over.

[SpiderGear]

i remember one time my team got dominated by stacked sos users with old guard medals -___-

[ianer]

I have seen level 90 players abusing the SOS.
And they were very good.........
So.... Why bother using a noob weapon?

[ll ALEX76 ll]

The thing with the sawed off is its very consistent with its kills unlike the gnasher when you can shoot someone 2 or 3 times at point blank range and they turn around and pop you once and ur gone. I think thats why the sawed off is used so much cause its consistent within its range but the best players know that on certain maps which shotgun and rifle is best and change their loadout accurately and dont use the same guns over and over.
I'm sorry but for me it's just excuses to use DBS.
Gnasher is far more better(range, rof) but require some sort of skills while DBS not but can guarantie easy kill.

[Coleyman]

The thing with the sawed off is its very consistent with its kills unlike the gnasher when you can shoot someone 2 or 3 times at point blank range and they turn around and pop you once and ur gone. I think thats why the sawed off is used so much cause its consistent within its range but the best players know that on certain maps which shotgun and rifle is best and change their loadout accurately and dont use the same guns over and over.

Another reason. When you're not on servers, the Gnasher's hit detection is reminiscent of Gears 2. Of course, the SO's insta-cone-of-death doesn't have this issue; it's damage is more or less binary (kill or no damage).

[Atomebendr]

At this point I really don't care anymore.

If they don't care, why should I?

I'm not going to fight a losing battle.

[Jonathan Harper]

It's used by experienced players who are too lazy to earn kills with the Gnasher. They know that getting kills with the Sawed-Off is much easier than with the Gnasher; there's no point in putting in more effort for the same result. The whole idea of 'David can kill Goliath' totally backfired.

I have played since Gears 1 and I like to think I'm pretty good with the Gnasher, however I can't use the SOS for ****. The gun really does take skill, you need to watch your opponent and force him to do what you want (get him in range). The gun takes more mental skill then physically aiming like the Gnasher, yet it still takes skill. As well you need to know when and where to use it. You want to take it out in a closed off space like the Church in Mercy, whenever I play Mercy I grab the SOS and head to the Church cause that's the area I try to take away from the enemy team when I play. If I went up to the One-Shot / Mulcher I would change my load-out to the Gnasher again.

[ll ALEX76 ll]

I have played since Gears 1 and I like to think I'm pretty good with the Gnasher, however I can't use the SOS for ****. The gun really does take skill, you need to watch your opponent and force him to do what you want (get him in range). The gun takes more mental skill then physically aiming like the Gnasher, yet it still takes skill.
Not sure if serious.
Most my DBS deaths are coming from corner camping (my fault btw) or from behind or side when I'm fighting other player.
Can't see any skill here.

[DoctorG27]

True statement. I rarely see low level players with the sawed off. Its always the higher levels with it.

[Jonathan Harper]

Not sure if serious.
Most my DBS deaths are coming from corner camping (my fault btw) or from behind or side when I'm fighting other player.
Can't see any skill here.

You can use any gun cheaply. Look at the chainsaw, boomshot, or grenades for a few. It's not the gun you hate it's the players.

[Coleyman]

You can use any gun cheaply. Look at the chainsaw, boomshot, or grenades for a few. It's not the gun you hate it's the players.

To an extent, it's both. The fact that the gun is obviously superior to the Gnasher, and the fact that players are so contempt with playing in such a lazy, lacklustre way.

[ll ALEX76 ll]

You can use any gun cheaply. Look at the chainsaw, boomshot, or grenades for a few. It's not the gun you hate it's the players.
Yes but Frags and Boomshot are pick-ups.
I don't hate gun nor player btw :p

[MDStocken]

When i see someone with a gnasher I attack, if they have a SOS i sit still and hope they get bored before me so i can retro them down. Outwaiting someone isnt fun gameplay.

[Jonathan Harper]

To an extent, it's both. The fact that the gun is obviously superior to the Gnasher, and the fact that players are so contempt with playing in such a lazy, lacklustre way.

The Gnasher has a longer range and you have more then one bullet before you have to do a lengthy reload. The SOS has almost a melee range, and is an instant kill. I would say it's an even trade.

[Jonathan Harper]

Yes but Frags and Boomshot are pick-ups.
I don't hate gun nor player btw :p

Oh I just meant you as in general. The fact that they are pick-ups doesn't change anything. My point was that anyone can make the same argument for any gun.

[Jonathan Harper]

When i see someone with a gnasher I attack, if they have a SOS i sit still and hope they get bored before me so i can retro them down. Outwaiting someone isnt fun gameplay.

If your able to sit still your able to fire, start firing right away when you see him and he isn't in range yet. He has to find out where the fire is coming from then run towards you (with stopping power might I add), it's very simple.

[ll ALEX76 ll]

Oh I just meant you as in general. The fact that they are pick-ups doesn't change anything. My point was that anyone can make the same argument for any gun.
Nope, it's the only gun that require only range

[MDStocken]

If your able to sit still your able to fire, start firing right away when you see him and he isn't in range yet. He has to find out where the fire is coming from then run towards you (with stopping power might I add), it's very simple.

Sorry forgot i can shoot through walls :) thanks for the pro tip

[Jonathan Harper]

Nope, it's the only gun that require only range

I'm not sure what you mean. You mean it's only requirement is that the player is in melee range? Take a jump back hold A and the control stick backwards (or whatever direction you want just keep track of your surroundings) and you can run immediately out of the jump. You want to make your opponent do what you want, you want to force them to play your game. Same for the SOS users.

[Coleyman]

The Gnasher has a longer range and you have more then one bullet before you have to do a lengthy reload. The SOS has almost a melee range, and is an instant kill. I would say it's an even trade.

This post right here tells me that you don't know anything about how the Sawed-Off works. If what you said were true, it would be an even trade-off. When the game was released, the Sawed-Off shotgun has a farther gib-range than the Gnasher. It was not until about a week or so ago that it was reduced to the same gib-range as the Gnasher, and even after that, tests done in Private matches showed that the gib-range was still longer than the Gnasher's. If you're using the Sawed-Off correctly, (i.e. blindly rush in, kill the first person you see, run away like a pansy) the one bullet isn't a problem.

The only counter the Gnasher has over the Sawed-Off is it's much longer non-gib range. Keep a few metres away, pound them with the Gnasher, done. Except for the fact that we're talking about experienced players, here. The kind of players that know that wallbouncing is an effective means of dodging the Gnasher rounds, and that wallbouncing completely negates the stopping power of a rifle.


If your able to sit still your able to fire, start firing right away when you see him and he isn't in range yet. He has to find out where the fire is coming from then run towards you (with stopping power might I add), it's very simple.

This doesn't work against the players who camp around corners; the smart ones that know not to rush straight over open ground at you, but to wait patiently for you to walk around the corner. And, before you say 'check your corners', there are a lot of corners that are very difficult to check without becoming entirely at the mercy of those who are around them (prime example: the corners at the top & bottom of the alley in Old Town).

[Jonathan Harper]

This post right here tells me that you don't know anything about how the Sawed-Off works. If what you said were true, it would be an even trade-off. When the game was released, the Sawed-Off shotgun has a farther gib-range than the Gnasher. It was not until about a week or so ago that it was reduced to the same gib-range as the Gnasher, and even after that, tests done in Private matches showed that the gib-range was still longer than the Gnasher's. If you're using the Sawed-Off correctly, (i.e. blindly rush in, kill the first person you see, run away like a pansy) the one bullet isn't a problem.

The only counter the Gnasher has over the Sawed-Off is it's much longer non-gib range. Keep a few metres away, pound them with the Gnasher, done. Except for the fact that we're talking about experienced players, here. The kind of players that know that wallbouncing is an effective means of dodging the Gnasher rounds, and that wallbouncing completely negates the stopping power of a rifle.



This doesn't work against the players who camp around corners; the smart ones that know not to rush straight over open ground at you, but to wait patiently for you to walk around the corner. And, before you say 'check your corners', there are a lot of corners that are very difficult to check without becoming entirely at the mercy of those who are around them (prime example: the corners at the top & bottom of the alley in Old Town).

Why would you counter a SOS player with a Gnasher. Someone who does THAT has no idea what the SOS does. This game isn't about counters, no gun counters another gun, you have to force others players into positions that you can kill them. This is why SOS users are so good, because you play right into there hand.

[MDStocken]

This post right here tells me that you don't know anything about how the Sawed-Off works. If what you said were true, it would be an even trade-off. When the game was released, the Sawed-Off shotgun has a farther gib-range than the Gnasher. It was not until about a week or so ago that it was reduced to the same gib-range as the Gnasher, and even after that, tests done in Private matches showed that the gib-range was still longer than the Gnasher's. If you're using the Sawed-Off correctly, (i.e. blindly rush in, kill the first person you see, run away like a pansy) the one bullet isn't a problem.

The only counter the Gnasher has over the Sawed-Off is it's much longer non-gib range. Keep a few metres away, pound them with the Gnasher, done. Except for the fact that we're talking about experienced players, here. The kind of players that know that wallbouncing is an effective means of dodging the Gnasher rounds, and that wallbouncing completely negates the stopping power of a rifle.



This doesn't work against the players who camp around corners; the smart ones that know not to rush straight over open ground at you, but to wait patiently for you to walk around the corner. And, before you say 'check your corners', there are a lot of corners that are very difficult to check without becoming entirely at the mercy of those who are around them (prime example: the corners at the top & bottom of the alley in Old Town).

Just to build upon your second point, an example of this is the boomshot spawn on gridlock, if someone camps that with a sawn off youre cut off from walking through that area.

[Jonathan Harper]

Just to build upon your second point, an example of this is the boomshot spawn on gridlock, if someone camps that with a sawn off youre cut off from walking through that area.

That's an example of forcing your opponent to play your game. Forcing them to go for another weapon instead of the boomshot.

[Coleyman]

Why would you counter a SOS player with a Gnasher. Someone who does THAT has no idea what the SOS does. This game isn't about counters, no gun counters another gun, you have to force others players into positions that you can kill them. This is why SOS users are so good, because you play right into there hand.

Say, you're attacking a player, Gnasher vs Gnasher. You win, take you kill. Out of the blue, a SO user turns the corner. I have my Gnasher out; am I supposed to frantically roll back whilst he runs towards me (bearing in mind, that this will do nothing, as rolling and running are of the same speed) and I stand still peppering him with rifle rounds? No, I'd be dead.

And as for your second sentence, the Sawed-Off and Retro Lancer were balanced for the sole purpose of countering the dominant Gnasher.


Just to build upon your second point, an example of this is the boomshot spawn on gridlock, if someone camps that with a sawn off youre cut off from walking through that area.

Exactly. You can't move through the Boomshot arch and check the corners, the Sawed-Off would insta-kill you.


That's an example of forcing your opponent to play your game. Forcing them to go for another weapon instead of the boomshot.

Then they get the Boomshot. Then they get map-control. Then they win the round. All because of a gun they didn't even need to use, because it's so easy to use and so strong, that players don't want to face it in that situation.

[MDStocken]

That's an example of forcing your opponent to play your game. Forcing them to go for another weapon instead of the boomshot.

Not when you dont know if the enemy is there cause you cant see around the corner and spend all of your time standing still around a corner hoping the enemy will give up and walk forward to attack you first. That just makes boring gameplay.

[Jonathan Harper]

This doesn't work against the players who camp around corners; the smart ones that know not to rush straight over open ground at you, but to wait patiently for you to walk around the corner. And, before you say 'check your corners', there are a lot of corners that are very difficult to check without becoming entirely at the mercy of those who are around them (prime example: the corners at the top & bottom of the alley in Old Town).

I have never had a problem with this at all and I don't know if it's because I am doing something differently or because I haven't run into any of those players. However I think it's because at the start of each round I cover as much ground as I can until I hit the halfway point between the spawns, once your there use the information you have. Count how many people you see and if your missing some tell your teammates. They will find the others eventually. If you pay attention and use all the information at your disposal you will have no problems. Once you know where they are this problem disappears.

[Coleyman]

Not when you dont know if the enemy is there cause you cant see around the corner and spend all of your time standing still around a corner hoping the enemy will give up and walk forward to attack you first. That just makes boring gameplay.

Another good point. You don't want to go around the corner because you don't know if a SO user is there, so you sit there on the other side and wait, and the game becomes a camp-fest.


Once you know where they are this problem disappears.

No, it doesn't. If I spawn on the low-side of Old-Town (at the beach spawn), I can't see where the other team are going. At the end of it all, I still have to check that dreaded corner.

[Jonathan Harper]

Say, you're attacking a player, Gnasher vs Gnasher. You win, take you kill. Out of the blue, a SO user turns the corner. I have my Gnasher out; am I supposed to frantically roll back whilst he runs towards me (bearing in mind, that this will do nothing, as rolling and running are of the same speed) and I stand still peppering him with rifle rounds? No, I'd be dead.

And as for your second sentence, the Sawed-Off and Retro Lancer were balanced for the sole purpose of countering the dominant Gnasher.



Exactly. You can't move through the Boomshot arch and check the corners, the Sawed-Off would insta-kill you.



Then they get the Boomshot. Then they get map-control. Then they win the round. All because of a gun they didn't even need to use, because it's so easy to use and so strong, that players don't want to face it in that situation.

This problem is solved by going the other way around and checking the other side. There is enough cover there that you can check safely. As for your first point what if the person had a chainsaw and was waiting around the corner. What would you say then? That is just as unavoidable if they are skilled and wait till the very last moment.

[MDStocken]

This problem is solved by going the other way around and checking the other side. There is enough cover there that you can check safely. As for your first point what if the person had a chainsaw and was waiting around the corner. What would you say then? That is just as unavoidable if they are skilled and wait till the very last moment.

And while ive just run around the map where apparently the whole rest of the enemy team has just vanished and is no longer playing, the guy who im avoiding and sneaking up on already has the boomshot and has blown my team up.

[Jonathan Harper]

Another good point. You don't want to go around the corner because you don't know if a SO user is there, so you sit there on the other side and wait, and the game becomes a camp-fest.



No, it doesn't. If I spawn on the low-side of Old-Town (at the beach spawn), I can't see where the other team are going. At the end of it all, I still have to check that dreaded corner.

You should be checking all corners first of all. But in old town I have one player stand in the middle and call out how many players he sees go right and left.

[Jonathan Harper]

And while ive just run around the map where apparently the whole rest of the enemy team has just vanished and is no longer playing, the guy who im avoiding and sneaking up on already has the boomshot and has blown my team up.

This game is not played alone, there will be others players watching Boomshot and if there aren't then it's not your fault that the other team got it.

[Jonathan Harper]

I don't have anymore time for this I need to leave. It was fun while it lasted good luck with all your problems everyone. See you online.

[Coleyman]

This problem is solved by going the other way around and checking the other side. There is enough cover there that you can check safely. As for your first point what if the person had a chainsaw and was waiting around the corner. What would you say then? That is just as unavoidable if they are skilled and wait till the very last moment.

Reasonable suggestion, but anybody who has played Gridlock already knows how to counter that.

If the person had a chainsaw, they'd be walking at me. Thus, rolling backwards would put distance between us, as chainsaw movement speed is slower than regular character movement speed. Remember, this is a scenario where the player willingly turns to corner to approach with the Sawed-Off/Chainsaw after I've killed someone, the scenario has nothing to do with me going around a corner and them suprising me.


You should be checking all corners first of all. But in old town I have one player stand in the middle and call out how many players he sees go right and left.

This comes down to team communication, something that you will only get if you're playing with a party. Thus, this point is moot if you aren't in one.

[a-silent-scope]

Hes right. All the experienced players are running 5 man teams of Lancer and sawed-off (two most OP guns) and abusing them SMH

[Coleyman]

Hes right. All the experienced players are running 5 man teams of Lancer and sawed-off (two most OP guns) and abusing them SMH

Yes, I can only imagine that the problem is compounded when they all have communication.

[SergeantSarcasm]

I'm not sure what you mean. You mean it's only requirement is that the player is in melee range? Take a jump back hold A and the control stick backwards (or whatever direction you want just keep track of your surroundings) and you can run immediately out of the jump. You want to make your opponent do what you want, you want to force them to play your game. Same for the SOS users.

The one problem with this suggestion is that if you aren't on dedicateds and have a higher ping then the SO user does, you either blow up midway through your jump or sometimes after your jump and take a few steps in the opposite direction. The SO is the only starting weapon that this happens all the time with. Sure, you can die from a gnasher in the same situation, albeit much more rarely.

And to whoever said that waiting someone out not being fun, thats the main reason I really don't like going up againts lots of sawn-offs: It is, when you know someones around the corner and you know they have a sawn-off, you also know they are going to wait for you to come out. Especially full teams of sawn-offs *shudders* Sure you CAN counter them, its just SOO MUCH MORE WORK!

[HippoKillin]

I you know there is someone around the corner throw a smoke first. It will stun them and then you will get the nice easy kill.

[Coleyman]

I you know there is someone around the corner throw a smoke first. It will stun them and then you will get the nice easy kill.

Remember, we're talking about experienced players. Players who will move away from the stun area of the smoke and return to the corner, awaiting your rush whilst watching you run at them by using the Tac/Com (Tac/Com can see through smoke).

[vxXDeadAimXxv]

yes there are "Vets" that took the word adapt literally and figured if you cant beat them, join them. That is the cowards way IMO. However i do so the lot of newbies using the SOS. You can tell who they are when they zombie walk then pull the SOS trigger.

[Durotan]

i remember one time my team got dominated by stacked sos users with old guard medals -___-

See if a whole team has that they probably glitched it.

[eAnGeL]

Yeah I see a lot of people bringing shame to the old guard medal with the noob sticks. But honestly I don't see them winning a lot, in fact they usually quit mid game.

[x_DV_x_Wesker]

It's used by experienced players who are too lazy to earn kills with the Gnasher. They know that getting kills with the Sawed-Off is much easier than with the Gnasher; there's no point in putting in more effort for the same result. The whole idea of 'David can kill Goliath' totally backfired.

its both tbh. there are always going to be people who abuse the low risk-high reward weapons.

[Neeekamus Prime]

the simplest solution to the SOS problem is give it only one shot. If they miss or hit they are done with it until they get more ammo, not 3 shots so they can take down 1/5th or more of the team without dying.

[Energizamillion]

The noobs mainly seem to stick with their rifles. The sawed off should have had a level cap

[Coleyman]

the simplest solution to the SOS problem is give it only one shot. If they miss or hit they are done with it until they get more ammo, not 3 shots so they can take down 1/5th or more of the team without dying.

This would mean that the SO can only get one kill, whereas the Gnasher can get up to 16. The fact that they only get one shot would mean that users would be even more careful not to waste it (more camping). This won't happen.


The noobs mainly seem to stick with their rifles. The sawed off should have had a level cap

I would disagree; only the foolhardy would think that the rifles are for the 'noobs'. The Sawed-Off having a level cap would be ideal, but it just won't happen.

[Richtophen]

I you know there is someone around the corner throw a smoke first. It will stun them and then you will get the nice easy kill.

I'll be the sawed off player in that scenario. you throw your smoke. I throw mine right before yours explode. we are both stunned now. I move to a slightly different position, then I see you through it using tac-com. surpsise!

[Fart]

The sawed off is for people who aren't good with aiming the gnasher, its not exclusively for new players. There's a big difference.

[Coleyman]

The sawed off is for people who aren't good with aiming the gnasher, its not exclusively for new players. There's a big difference.

There is, but when they both have the same gib range, but one has a wider OHK spread, there's really no contest.

[Fart]

There is, but when they both have the same gib range, but one has a wider OHK spread, there's really no contest.

The gnasher is a much better weapon when you consider stuff other than 1hit gib spread. Its just not the best weapon to 1v1 the sawed off.

The fire rate and ammo capacity of the sawed off are just awful, and if you have to do a 2v1 clutch and they aren't standing on top of each other you are at a huge disadvantage compared to having the gnasher. What other starting gun can get you a one hit kill and instantly be ready to do more killing?

[Mysterion]

I have been playing since gears 1 and I use the sawed off why? Simple the gnasher is not as powerful anymore it is rubbish and doesn't do the same damage as the previous games! The sawed off is not my way of getting cheap kills it's my way of showing the noobs how to really play this game! It's the noobs who are ruining this game they are getting cheap kills for nothing so I figured time to fight fire with fire! I have always been a gnasher user but with this game for me personally I have to use the sawed off or I'll stop playing this game altogether!

We can't win gears 2 had lag issues now all that has been solved we have a bigger issue!!!!

The sawed off!!!!!

[CharacterM]

The problem is that, decent players becomes GOOD players cause of the SOS. And awesome players become good players with the SOS. There is no real borderline anymore between good and bad players since it is all pulled to one level of players. You have 3 types: noobs, decent and sick. The game is just boring, it is just like Halo where everybody is good but there are always 1 or 2 players that is on the top. This is usually the team that wins.

I remember Gears of War 1 that you have so much different kinds of players, now it is all a routine. Gears of War 2 became that too.

But ah well, I still enjoy it time to time.

Also which weapons you really make kills with? I say shotgun, SOS and Boomer/Digger. All the other weapons, are so let out because of the quick Downs.

[SublimeFighter]

Yea it supposed to be a noob weapon, to new players who cant handled a gnasher (which i dont see too hard to handle) <- even that way I would be pissed by noobs who comes sloowly to me when Im rolling and PUFF killed by SO ¬¬
and I hate even more the lvls 80 + who are using this **** of weapon, I have seen lot of lvls 100 using this, with the SO medal in onyx... thats really shamefull...

[Laser]

Its true, most of the Sawed Off users are high ranked and experienced players, i think they don't want to get owned by that scrub gun so they use it by themself, kinda sad.

[Mysterion]

Your right why would u play a game that u consistently get owned by one gun so why not use the gun???

I use it now I've been using it for a week I had to stop using the gnasher because I was getting owned off noobs and wimps who hide away running up and blowing ur ass up! I have to use the sawed off because if I don't I'll stop playing this game I don't want to use it I would love to be able to use the gnasher but it's useless online!!!

[Coleyman]

The gnasher is a much better weapon when you consider stuff other than 1hit gib spread. Its just not the best weapon to 1v1 the sawed off.

The fire rate and ammo capacity of the sawed off are just awful, and if you have to do a 2v1 clutch and they aren't standing on top of each other you are at a huge disadvantage compared to having the gnasher. What other starting gun can get you a one hit kill and instantly be ready to do more killing?

From page 3:


When the game was released, the Sawed-Off shotgun has a farther gib-range than the Gnasher. It was not until about a week or so ago that it was reduced to the same gib-range as the Gnasher, and even after that, tests done in Private matches showed that the gib-range was still longer than the Gnasher's. If you're using the Sawed-Off correctly, (i.e. blindly rush in, kill the first person you see, run away like a pansy) the one bullet isn't a problem.

The only counter the Gnasher has over the Sawed-Off is it's much longer non-gib range. Keep a few metres away, pound them with the Gnasher, done. Except for the fact that we're talking about experienced players, here. The kind of players that know that wallbouncing is an effective means of dodging the Gnasher rounds, and that wallbouncing completely negates the stopping power of a rifle.


The problem is that, decent players becomes GOOD players cause of the SOS. And awesome players become good players with the SOS. There is no real borderline anymore between good and bad players since it is all pulled to one level of players. You have 3 types: noobs, decent and sick. The game is just boring, it is just like Halo where everybody is good but there are always 1 or 2 players that is on the top. This is usually the team that wins.

Exactly. The SO drags everybody down to the same, low skill-level, and makes the game boring.

[swbruni]

Its used alot in every game I join , most players use it but for a gun thats hated so much it sure is used alot ????

[darthpetale]

I play TDM and i dont see the SOS being overused to any gamebreaking extent or it dominating the games , i honestly dont have a problem with it , i use the gnasher btw...

[CharacterM]

Maybe we ALL should start a clan: FUSOS (you know what it is :P) and with like 20 members, we can have cool games with anti SOS! :D

[Coleyman]

Its used alot in every game I join , most players use it but for a gun thats hated so much it sure is used alot ????

Because it's so easy. The people who complain on here are considered the 'vocal minority', we represent only a small sample of Gears players.


I play TDM and i dont see the SOS being overused to any gamebreaking extent or it dominating the games , i honestly dont have a problem with it , i use the gnasher btw...

You're one of the lucky ones.

[darthpetale]

Because it's so easy. The people who complain on here are considered the 'vocal minority', we represent only a small sample of Gears players.



You're one of the lucky ones. Honestly , whats your experience im genuinely curious??

[Mysterion]

I hav just joined this forum but before I did everyone has been complaining about this gun! My friends have stopped playing gears 3 I am the only one who plays this game my friends don't want to play it anymore because of this gun! The way I see it is if epic don't address this problem then everyone will stop playing this game

[Coleyman]

Honestly , whats your experience im genuinely curious??

Many lobbies I join (Quick Match, I don't play Ranked) are dominated by experienced players abusing the Sawed-Off shotgun. In an attempt to try and not repeatedly die to the weapon, the matches become a case of camping because trying to move anywhere around the map will result in being slapped by the Double-Barrled-Progun sitting behind a corner.

[xX CARNA6E Xx]

It's used by experienced players who are too lazy to earn kills with the Gnasher. They know that getting kills with the Sawed-Off is much easier than with the Gnasher; there's no point in putting in more effort for the same result. The whole idea of 'David can kill Goliath' totally backfired.

Or they wanna get the onyx SOS medal out of the way to enjoy the game with the gnasher?

[OverKill]

Or they wanna get the onyx SOS medal out of the way to enjoy the game with the gnasher?

while entirely possible, the SO is typically used to be either a troll weapon or to abuse its huge cone of death

if people just wanted the onyx skin they would be more likely to grind it out in private matches

[Maker]

The SoS's biggest issue may be its instant kill. But thats not what everyone feels the hate from. It by not firing eliminates a route you can take all by itself. Because the guy around the corner could be half blind and hit you anyway. And if its a tight corner, your not going that way. Your just not. Especially in Warzone or Execution. It is a rediculously effective Area of Denial tool for sharp turns and trappings. The open fights are never the problem even if Sp has nothing to do with the fight your rifle will still down them at just beyond roll distance before they can get close.

The problem comes in as ive stated before as the effects the SoS has on the way you HAVE to deal with it. Basically what no one else has said to my knowledge is this. If you see teh gnasher you can play your odds. Think "Yeah ok im pretty good i think i can take him." THen possibly do so. With the SoS guy sitting at the bottom of torque spawn on drydock, or in the upper base on Sandbar... you have NOTHING. your gonna go in and hes going to blindfire / blast you with no chance of you coming out alive if hes a competent player. Epic handed people a long reload instagib melee. Thats what the gun is live with it or dont.

[Coleyman]

The SoS's biggest issue may be its instant kill. But thats not what everyone feels the hate from. It by not firing eliminates a route you can take all by itself. Because the guy around the corner could be half blind and hit you anyway. And if its a tight corner, your not going that way. Your just not. Especially in Warzone or Execution. It is a rediculously effective Area of Denial tool for sharp turns and trappings. The open fights are never the problem even if Sp has nothing to do with the fight your rifle will still down them at just beyond roll distance before they can get close.

The problem comes in as ive stated before as the effects the SoS has on the way you HAVE to deal with it. Basically what no one else has said to my knowledge is this. If you see teh gnasher you can play your odds. Think "Yeah ok im pretty good i think i can take him." THen possibly do so. With the SoS guy sitting at the bottom of torque spawn on drydock, or in the upper base on Sandbar... you have NOTHING. your gonna go in and hes going to blindfire / blast you with no chance of you coming out alive if hes a competent player. Epic handed people a long reload instagib melee. Thats what the gun is live with it or dont.

I totally agree.

[Coleyman]

Bippity-bump.