[OFFICIAL] Do you want the DBS removed from multi-player? [Archive]

Macauley

09-21-2011, 12:47 AM

You seem to not know why a weapon is giving a "noob" title so I'll explain it to you again, hopefully I won't overload your little brain. When a gun has a minimal to zero learning curve with high effectiveness it is considered a noob gun to veterans of the game because a noob can pick it up and wreck havoc with it, unfortunately. The DBS applies here.

Also, If I'm "nobody", who are you replying to? Are you talking to yourself again psycho? Sad.
This has been discussed enough to have arrived at ajustified conclusion. The devs released the game, and so made their final position clear: Sawn off stays. After releasing the beta with preceding and subsequent playtests, browsing the forums and listening to these complaints, they arrived at this conclusion. What they did do is justify the decision with personal, community and mathematical feedback and presented their position to us.

I feel they justified the decision well. What's more is that I've played the game and so far I haven't had reason to disagree with them. Sawn Offs are useful for one shot... then it becomes a worse enemy than the guy you're trying to kill!

The problem with this post I've high lighted here is that it hasn't undermined the justification, which was a short review of the thousands of discussions on the topic, but instead attempted to undermine the player, which is entirely irrelevant to the topic. We're all adults here, try to behave as such...

Carnage 3o4

09-21-2011, 12:48 AM

It's easy to assume that's what we are doing. The DBS simply takes zero skill to use. There's no arguing against it, it's a FACT. For a gun to have such a wide spread complaint, there's something wrong. For those to be defending this gun clearly shows their level of skill in this game.

That's true, it does require little skill, but better players will always be one step ahead. It's pretty easy to counter, if it wasn't i'd probably be in the same boat as you but at the minute i've played multiplayer for roughly 20 hours, top 300 in TDM with a 3.1 K/D and 2.2 W/L and I was initially getting a lot of frustrating deaths to the DBS but i adapted and now it doesn't really pose much of a threat. I think the game is the most balanced one yet.

Cup

09-21-2011, 12:52 AM

I'm not finding it as annoying as I did in the beta, I can definitely live with it now, but I sure as hell would like an Old School gametype with no Retro or DBS. It should stay in the current gametypes for sure though.

IamGreenGiant

09-21-2011, 01:01 AM

Personallyt I think that the sawd off is fine as is, and this is from someone who doesn't use it at all (I have about 10 SO kills, compared to 300 gnasher). At this point if the SO was nerfed, it would probably render it useless, and therefore just make it a gnasher fest, which really wouldn't bother me all too much, but at this point I enjoy fighting the diversity of another shotgun.

If your having problems against SO users try working on map awareness, most SO users will try and run up on you from behind, or corner camp a wall. Playing with a team with mics who are actively calling/marking players out, will help increase your awareness. If your by yourself, try turning up the volume, as SO users can always be heard running around, and just overall watching your back. The best tactic to beat them is to just give them space, a lot of people try and get in gibb range for the one shot, but good players (even in Gears 2), keep their space to increase their chances of success, and by landing a shot first, you will almost always win the encounter.

Drewberg

09-21-2011, 01:30 AM

I agree with some comments. Learn to adapt to it. It adds diversity to the game play. Keep it in game. And keep it how it is.

NFI

09-21-2011, 01:32 AM

If yes or no, please, in a civilized manner state why.

NOTE: DBS stands for Double Barreled Shotgun.

Nope, and regardless, wont ever happen.

NFI

09-21-2011, 01:34 AM

It's easy to assume that's what we are doing. The DBS simply takes zero skill to use. There's no arguing against it, it's a FACT. For a gun to have such a wide spread complaint, there's something wrong. For those to be defending this gun clearly shows their level of skill in this game. All you have to do with the DBS is charge towards someone whether it be in a straight line or wallbouncing your way toward them. Once you've reached the effective range, just make sure the enemy is on your screen and fire, BAM, you've got yourself a kill. Reload and repeat.

Widespread complaint? Just because 50 or 60 people on this forum dislike it, it is hardly widespread. This forum represents such a small sample size of players you can deduce nothing from any figure you get here. Reality is there are infinitely more casual players than hardcore players, so if I was a betting man, I bet more players like it than dislike it, just because of player type demographics.

Savage Myrrah

09-21-2011, 01:49 AM

As annoying as it can be, I support keeping it in for the sake of diversity. It's something to adjust to and I can accept that.

NicodemusX0

09-21-2011, 01:54 AM

I've come to realize that some players simply will never get a kill in this game without certain features. This is one that at least lets a below average player have a chance at getting a kill, while also teaching him better tactics....

Punk Grenadier

09-21-2011, 02:38 AM

If the DBS can be turned into a legitimate weapon instead of a cheap gimmick, it can stay. As it is, it's just a cheap annoying weapon that you have to play around.

Mike DS

09-21-2011, 02:51 AM

DBS is OP and cheap but its mostly used by bad players who can be beaten easily at mid/long range, however I wouldn't miss it if it were removed ;)

Zaulik

09-21-2011, 02:52 AM

This. It's not that hard to avoid it...
It's ok for the Gnasher to rule mp, but the DBS can't be a close contender? That's what I'm seeing going on here. Without the DBS the Gnasher comes out on top again.

There's more than enough room for both guns. And i see more people using the gnasher anyways.

CH33ZEBURG3R

09-21-2011, 02:54 AM

No i'm fine with it, yes its cheap but that's why Tactics and Team Play are there, if you keep getting killed by it then try looking around every now and then to see where your Enemies are.

VaultBoy

09-21-2011, 02:54 AM

I haven't played multi enough yet to know whether the DBS is as bad as people are saying, but I do think it's a little amusing seeing all the people who ruined GoW2 multiplayer by turning it into a constant Gnasher-fest complaining that they can't do it in the new game!

xbrowniee

09-21-2011, 03:01 AM

Their is nothing wrong with the DBS, the gnasher is way better anyways.

ACx7

09-21-2011, 03:01 AM

Multi player? No. One life game modes? Yes.

Gueri11a

09-21-2011, 03:28 AM

I played all day yesterday with several different friends and not once did anyone complain about the Sawed-Off. The only weapon I actually heard any complaints about was the Digger, for what it's worth. In fact, the only comments made about the Sawed-Off were that it was too hard to use, and that the Gnasher is so much better. It's fine. Stop whining, this game is honestly as balanced as any multiplayer game you'll ever find. I personally quite enjoy using the Sawed-Off, actually. You can't mindlessly rush with it, you need to be sneaky. It adds another dynamic to the game, and believe it or not people, games need to evolve to stay successful.

espylacopA

09-21-2011, 03:41 AM

The Longshot is way more overpowered than the DBS will ever be. The only reason people won't complain about it is because they WANT to have sick sniper skills. If the DBS were to be removed people would complain about the retro. If the retro was to be removed people would complain about the gnasher. Ultimately, they would even start bashing the normal lancer and the boltok and eventually smoke grenades. People just can't stand to lose and will do everything within their power to make up for it without blaming the guilty one - themselves. The DBS is an easy bashing target because it SEEMS easy to use. I can get very frustrated by videogames at times. I'm autistic and i'm taking medicines to control my agression and to conentrate. But i have NEVER complained about getting killed by the sawed off because in my opinion it takes more skill than the gnasher.

ALIENWAR3

09-21-2011, 03:43 AM

Stop making stupid polls to remove weapons from the game, LEAVE IT.

TaoTang

09-21-2011, 04:03 AM

No its a good gun that stops people from running around without fear, it keeps you on your toes.

BLACKOUT 9781

09-21-2011, 04:08 AM

No definitely dont remove the DBS, for the people who whine about it there is a pretty simple solution, dont get to close to the people who are using it, every weapon has its advantages and disadvantages which you just have to adapt to like others have already stated. I think the multiplayer is amazing so please dont change it.

Jedi!

09-21-2011, 04:12 AM

NFI

09-21-2011, 04:16 AM

No. if all the guns were the same as previous entries, and it was just a gnasher orgy, people would complain about that. the boost to rifles and the dbs adds something new. step your game up its gears 3. WHOOOO!

This. It is an entirely new experience, which is a good thing. The MP was growing stale. Now there is a gun to adhere to anyones play type. You want a Gnasher rush? You can. Wanna suppress? You can.

Leaps and bounds beyond the first 2.

ben1bob

09-21-2011, 05:03 AM

i think the time for this poll is maybe in 2 or 3 weeks time.

then many people will have reached the end of their tether and realised online MP in Gears has been changed for the worse.

SOS is not all or nothing. a SOS user can spring out, miss his shot and then run away with me getting three hard aimed shots with my Gnasher on him as he scuttles off and he doesn't go down. that seems a little unfair to me. the reward far outweighs the risk for a SOS user, sadly.

of course if i happen to be walking around these tight areas with my HB and he misses, then he aint getting away. but it doesn't make sense to walk around tight areas with a rifle out...

EstrangdReality

09-21-2011, 05:05 AM

People need to stop being whiny babies.

i think the time for this poll is maybe in 2 or 3 weeks time.

then many people will have reached the end of their tether and realised online MP in Gears has been changed for the worse.

SOS is not all or nothing. a SOS user can spring out, miss his shot and then run away with me getting three hard aimed shots with my Gnasher on him as he scuttles off and he doesn't go down. that seems a little unfair to me. the reward far outweighs the risk for a SOS user, sadly.

of course if i happen to be walking around these tight areas with my HB and he misses, then he aint getting away. but it doesn't make sense to walk around tight areas with a rifle out...

Changed for the worse? It's fine. You just get killed in this in ways you aren't being killed in Gears of War 2 and you aren't used to different. The game is FINE. People like this are just not able to win like the want to. You have a few weeks until Modern Warfare 3 kid, you'll be fine.

Bio7ics

09-21-2011, 06:04 AM

I'd love to bet money that the people who defend the DBS had no more than a 0.8 KD in Gears Of War 2.

II Rave

09-21-2011, 06:04 AM

Not removed but tweaked or even made a pick up weapon in the spawn

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DodgeRAAM

09-21-2011, 06:43 AM

I said no only because I like the idea of another shotgun, but I would like it's hit radius to be made smaller.

Commandant Oreo

09-21-2011, 06:54 AM

Bio7ics

09-21-2011, 06:56 AM

Funny, because you just described the Gnasher as well. Minimal to zero learning curve with high effectiveness. You're just upset because the Gnasher has competition. The sawed off is only good within melee range. Even within the Sawed off's range, the Gnasher is still very competent.

Gnasher has higher RoF, range, capacity and reload speed whereas Sawed off just has power.Way to prove that you use the gun scrub because you're simply bad. You disregarded the fact that you also DO NOT have to AIM to get a kill with the DBS. As long as the enemy is on your screen, they're dead. Unlike the Gnasher that requires the skill to AIM.

Commandant Oreo

09-21-2011, 07:01 AM

Way to prove that you use the gun scrub because you're simply bad. You disregarded the fact that you also DO NOT have to AIM to get a kill with the DBS. As long as the enemy is on your screen, they're dead. Unlike the Gnasher that requires the skill to AIM.

Again, you're just upset that this isn't exactly Gnashers of War 3. If you had an ounce of skill you would be able to take on Sawed off users. I use both shotguns actually. Both have their own roles and do them both quite fine. I don't see a problem.

Asrial

09-21-2011, 07:06 AM

I look at your comments Bio7ics and I can't help but wonder if you truly think Epic is going to take you seriously.

Kissker

09-21-2011, 07:06 AM

sawed off shotgun should be a map-specific weapon - not a load out weapon. It's just sadly never gonna happen, even in beta we wanted this but still nothing happened.

Douchebags will be douchebags, just think of it this way - they are sad players, they rely on a 1 shot kill for victory and have no strategy other then that. They wouldn't compete with any real players, and will never be seen beyond the random join in MP.

Take the 1 shot away and they'd be forced to learn to play with real strategy, but that might be asking too much for their intelligence.

Join em, or get better at headshots with other guns, that's really the only option. Epic would have made it changed in beta if they really wanted to listen to the public, but they won't.

Commandant Oreo

09-21-2011, 07:22 AM

Wade2193

09-21-2011, 07:47 AM

I actually want to keep it in just to annoy all these people complaining about it, I've used it twice and the Gnasher is just so much better.

It adds a bit of diversity though, it's fun to mix it up a little.

Vancity Gnasher

09-21-2011, 07:49 AM

This is the situation though. The DBS haters state teh the DBS itself take no skill to use, and in doing so, negates ANY learning curve needed to compee in ONLINE MP competitions. This alone is true and is hypocritical in tis own words.

Competitive MP, with a gun that lets NON competitive players play....without learning anything.

If they are new to the series, they use the DBS, who is to say that they will EVER grow up, and hand down the gimmie a free kill gun?

THe DBS defenders now always have this to say : "Adapt".

I am showing a negative side to this right now :

Whenever the term is brought up, it is brought up in the sense that a player is ONLY playing against ONE DBS user. That is NOT the case. We all know that to be false.

You CAN adapt to one DBS user, thats easy.

In reality though, in ANY given match at LEAST 3 per team are using it. So as you are "adapting" to that one DBS user, how do you "adapt" to the other two who are running at you moments later? You cant?

This is the falsehood of the "adapt" statement always being made. You make it into a SINGLE PLAYER, when online it is actually MULTIPLE people, whch as we know, is FAR different of a scenario to be in, in terms of adapting to it.

Sure you may have coordinated teams once in awhile, but for example , me, who goes online solo alot, there is NO communication as everyone is just worried about themselves.

See my point here?

Look at it from a MULTIPLE PLAYERS USING IT perspective not just a 1 on 1 as most , if not all, people always refer to. Its false

xI p5yCh0 Ix

09-21-2011, 07:59 AM

I HATE IT. Mostly because the people who use it play like cowards, camp a corner and blindside u

VGD Carmine

09-21-2011, 08:09 AM

I find my team and I being more worried about identifying a SO user on the other team, than we did identifying who the host was in Gears 2.

EddieFenix

09-21-2011, 08:11 AM

It only took a day and these threads are coming up again? Pfffffffffffft. Figures people can't handle a new way of playing, so they gotta *****/cry about it.

Kevinnnnn

09-21-2011, 08:12 AM

If they lower the damage tremendously i'll be happy, otherwise I can't stand people i'm shooting that jump around waiting for there DBS to reload and then just shoot me one time.

james288gto

09-21-2011, 08:13 AM

@OP Is this official or just another pointless thread. Later...

Kevinnnnn

09-21-2011, 08:13 AM

I find my team and I being more worried about identifying a SO user on the other team, than we did identifying who the host was in Gears 2.

I completely agree.

thmgd

09-21-2011, 08:26 AM

changed to keep,just for sheer varity.

ActaBunniFooFoo

09-21-2011, 08:32 AM

I have no problem with the gun. I just dont like what it promotes in players. People stand behind walls and just camp until someone walks by to blow them away with the DBS. Or if they miss with it they will run away for ages. Its very annoying

Erwintjeh

09-21-2011, 08:39 AM

No. It's fine as it is. It is fun to use. And if you get killed by it. Well you were standing too close to your opponent or he caught you by surprise. It is already stated so many times on the board. There are ways to counter de DBS just like you can counter any other gun. Good tactics can turn around any game.

SRT8 Ski

09-21-2011, 08:41 AM

Looky here....first OFFICIAL cry-baby thread..... Its a new game, check your corners, adapt and...Ohh bacon.

[AL]Snipes

09-21-2011, 08:45 AM

Got me wondering if this thread is really all that official...

Josh123

09-21-2011, 08:47 AM

Some of the people here who support the sawed off are just sheep and will support anything Epic does, even when something like the sawed off completely ruins certain gametypes that actually took skill in Gears 1 and 2. All the sawed off does is promote camping and makes matches take way too long. And no, I don't need to adapt, because the gun rarely kills me, I'm just TIRED of the match being slowed down and I have to take extreme caution and slow down what I'm doing simply because some noob wants to hide from me all match and when he finally shows his face and misses with the sawed off, he decides to run away and repeat the hiding process all over again. I'm especially tired of hearing this lame ass sheep answer: "YOU NEED TO ADAPT AND GET YOUR SKILLS UP!1!11!" Even though I rarely even die by sawed off users. I'm just REALLY tired of them making the game boring as hell. If I wanted to experience camping, I would've just played Call of Duty.

7rius

09-21-2011, 08:54 AM

"Official"....Right...

The Boondock Saint

09-21-2011, 08:59 AM

Just remove it from execution/warzone, it really butchered those two gametypes. Oh and Wingman, that gametype blows now everyone camps with retro and dbs.

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Sykoschematic

09-21-2011, 09:24 AM

No.

Yes, it is a one-hit-kill weapon but all it has over the Gnasher is a wider area of effect with slightly more power, the Gnasher if used properly is a one-hit-kill and it carries eight shells and reloads much quicker which leaves the Sawed-Off incredibly easy to counter especially due to it only having one round.

StuartD_MFC

09-21-2011, 09:25 AM

Adds variety to the game. Its not just about the gnasher anymore, gives a degree of difficulty to the multiplayer.

shermantank92

09-21-2011, 09:29 AM

I HATE the dbs. I rage every time I get killed by it. But it isn't going anywhere thats for sure. I just need to get used to it and learn to check corners.

D A R K S 7 4 R

09-21-2011, 09:36 AM

It needs to be a pick up weapon or the power needs to be dropped dramatically

LocustSlayer81

09-21-2011, 09:48 AM

Just disable it for execution/warzone. It makes those gametypes unbearable to play now.

Losthursday

09-21-2011, 10:08 AM

LMAO! Official? What a joke. Don't use the gun. Don't care for it. Don't like to play with it. Doesn't need to be removed. Ever. It's fine the way it is.

Bio7ics

09-21-2011, 12:29 PM

LMAO! Official? What a joke. Don't use the gun. Don't care for it. Don't like to play with it. Doesn't need to be removed. Ever. It's fine the way it is.You use the gun, period.

NFI

09-21-2011, 12:34 PM

You use the gun, period.

And this statement proves what?

assainator117

09-21-2011, 12:39 PM

No, and why do you have (OFFICIAL) in the title, you know how fast this is going to be locked or the title changed

NFI

09-21-2011, 12:40 PM

LOL Official. Like the DBS is actually going to be removed some day.

Spec

09-21-2011, 12:42 PM

I want Diversity, I dont want another Gnasher-fest like Gears 1&2. Plus I actually like it :)

IDeadWork

09-21-2011, 12:42 PM

Game is great. Change isn't needed

mems1224

09-21-2011, 12:44 PM

its fine, stop complaining and stop running blindly around corners

NFI

09-21-2011, 12:44 PM

Game is great. Change isn't needed

Pretty much sums it up.

Deminious

09-21-2011, 12:44 PM

It's a weapon in the game. It has its strong points and weakness's. I personlly have been killed once by it so far. I try to not go running around corners or letting the "bad guy" get that close to me in the 1st place. R/L military taught me that.

Edit: but they should've taught me how to spell...

IDeadWork

09-21-2011, 12:54 PM

Why would anyone who is any good need to remove the DBS? And if you AREN'T any good why do you care?

Lol I seriously don't get it. Once in awhile a camper gets a little annoying...but removed?! Get real.

Sinful

09-21-2011, 12:56 PM

The game is perfect, no need to tweak guns.

I hope Epic doesn't listen to the whiners and keeps dbs as it is.

Agreed. This poll is pointless. People need to move on.

xGAxBlueChip

09-21-2011, 01:01 PM

No.. I love when kids depended on the DBS... I destroy DBS users

VaultBoy

09-21-2011, 01:04 PM

Douchebags will be douchebags, just think of it this way - they are sad players, they rely on a 1 shot kill for victory and have no strategy other then that. They wouldn't compete with any real players, and will never be seen beyond the random join in MP.

Take the 1 shot away and they'd be forced to learn to play with real strategy, but that might be asking too much for their intelligence..

Funny, that's exactly how I always felt about the Gnasher spammers in GoW2. I didn't play much Vs. in that game because I wanted to use the Lancer and other weapons that might require some strategy, but I quickly got tired of every match being the same: everyone run to the middle of the map, then shotgun/roll, shotgun/roll.

IDeadWork

09-21-2011, 01:06 PM

Funny, that's exactly how I always felt about the Gnasher spammers in GoW2. I didn't play much Vs. in that game because I wanted to use the Lancer and other weapons that might require some strategy, but I quickly got tired of every match being the same: everyone run to the middle of the map, then shotgun/roll, shotgun/roll.

Tu6 Gnasher was 100,000,000 x more CHEAP then the DBS.

GOWKratosCole

09-21-2011, 01:07 PM

Just roll with it baby. it's part of Gears now. we will work with it!

sloc234

09-21-2011, 01:07 PM

I never use the sawed-off. I find it mildly annoying when dying from it. But it is not OP, and it will stay in the game. If you're still complaining about it, play a different game.

Also, there's nothing official about this thread.

Saxophone18

09-21-2011, 01:40 PM

I think the DBS is just fine, I have no problem getting kills with it or getting killed by it. Makes no difference to me it has it's use, to get people out of your face. If anything I think they should speed up the reload on it just a hair, not to Gnasher speeds but maybe a little bit more than Hammerburst speed(without the big perfect reload area). Now I will duck from the flying rocks, lancers, pencils, controllers, etc.

Just learn to keep your distance.

Prometherion M

09-21-2011, 01:54 PM

GTFO with complaining!

Chief 270

09-21-2011, 02:28 PM

Lol "offi..." oh, several already beat me to it. :p

Sawed off has its place. Easy to use, easy to counter.

jacck123

09-21-2011, 02:43 PM

i got idea RAGE QUIT than find other match solve?

III HOOP III

09-21-2011, 02:52 PM

i love my gnasher, but i am glad that there is some more challenges to the game.

Brendy Boy

09-21-2011, 02:53 PM

I think it should be removed. I think the tactics that revolve around using it are all tactics that no one should want in Gears of War.

sinfull bliss

09-21-2011, 02:54 PM

i dont understand, if you know a DBS is out there, why rush in (thats the only time a DBS would give you problems) so if you slow down your pace and don't run in guns blazing like a total idiot it shouldn't be a problem, DBS users can be taken out easily with the gnasher from the proper distance.

its like halo reach with the armor lock all over again, you bad kids will never stop crying.

Bio7ics

09-21-2011, 05:03 PM

I think it should be removed. I think the tactics that revolve around using it are all tactics that no one should want in Gears of War.Exactly, but all of the scrubs want it to remain because they need a chance at killing someone.

Cpl Crosseyes

09-21-2011, 05:06 PM

They're not gonna remove it. Ever. The philosophy that Epic has taken with the weapon is in direct contradiction with the people who want a Gnasher focused, very large skill gap focused game. People who hate it so much that it ruins the game for them will have to either deal with it, vent on the forums uselessly, play an older gears or do all of those three things. But you're not gonna change it. So long that it's not grossly overpowered it's fine. And it's not. End of.

DeanOMiite

09-21-2011, 05:13 PM

How is it official?

This made me laugh haha....how is this thread official anything haha

Anyway...I don't personally like the DBS. I don't like using it, I don't like it when people rush at me like idiots, miss me, then run away. Buuuuuuut I do like that it adds variety and makes the game more accessible to new players. It's not something I like but business wise it's a good thing to have. I don't have to like everything about GoW3, and I don't, but the DBS doesn't bother me.

gearzzz

09-21-2011, 05:46 PM

They're not gonna remove it. Ever.
But they can give us a playlist without the DBS.

Chesterton

09-21-2011, 05:56 PM

The game is perfect, no need to tweak guns.

I hope Epic doesn't listen to the whiners and keeps dbs as it is.

Agreed.

10agrees

The_Witch_King

09-21-2011, 05:58 PM

Throw smoke grenade around corner. DBS user is stunned. Kill

Stay away from DBS user. Use a rifle.

IDeadWork

09-21-2011, 06:01 PM

Exactly, but all of the scrubs want it to remain because they need a chance at killing someone.

Dude. it's a signature weapon in gears 3 ... They aren't going to remove it from MP.

It can get annoying but just Try playing in a party... When I play execution i almost never die from sawed off.

Desert pengu1n

09-21-2011, 06:03 PM

no, it helps make you change your playstyle around, this is from a gnasher user

incenarated58

09-21-2011, 06:20 PM

-_- Just like the beta.

Think about that for a second.

Bio7ics

09-21-2011, 07:19 PM

-_- Just like the beta.

Think about that for a second.I've found a way to counter the DBS, stay tuned for my video later.

Omen Gear

09-21-2011, 07:20 PM

I have been playing since Gears 1 and I love the Sawed off Shotgun because its all or nothing so to me it takes skill cause I need that skill to roll and run away when I miss LMAO! Plus going around with the Gnasher in the old and tired shotgun off got old to me lol as for the lancer I havent tried them to be honest I missed out on the beta I had lost my job at the time so at the moment Im in love with the hammerburst 2. Dont worry there are always plenty of Gnashers on the ground to pick up after my Sawed off is out of ammo and Im pretty good with that shotgun after all perfected it in Gears 1 lol. Im really happy with the balance in this game kudos Epic!

Matt S

09-21-2011, 07:26 PM

Guess we are stuck with it......at least I have the campaign and Horde

Turk McGurk

09-21-2011, 07:50 PM

It is balanced, I don't see what everyone's problem with it is. Yeah, it is annoying when you get blown away by one, but it is easy to counter, and if you do get killed by it a lot, chances are you are playing a way that is leaving you extremely vulnerable.

Blaze562

09-21-2011, 07:52 PM

make it a pick up, or give the option for a classic playlist

Lungsh0t

09-22-2011, 07:26 AM

Keep the DBS the way it is. Cry less.

The Boondock Saint

09-22-2011, 02:51 PM

Adds variety to the game. Its not just about the gnasher anymore, gives a degree of difficulty to the multiplayer.

Difficulty? It's in the game to help people who suck with the Gnasher. Rod said it himself, now I like variety but this is just stupid.

The only difficult thing is when you got a team full of sawed off rushers, and countering all of them at once somehow.

KRiMeZ

09-22-2011, 02:54 PM

Do a universal poll and see the results then...this is asking everyone on these forums where they are super campaign and horde players. When it comes to MP they usually got PULVERIZED by gnasher users...you want to ask these guys OP? LMFAO.

Their excuse "adds diversity"....people are gettin real smart at covering the truth.

Unreal Havoc

09-22-2011, 02:58 PM

I want it to stay, I just want the spread width reduced so that you actually have to aim to get a kill.

Delta Spartan16

09-22-2011, 03:01 PM

well the poll says it all :)

ddicted2gears

09-22-2011, 03:24 PM

well the poll says it all :)

Haha right?! i'm actually enjoying reading all of these complaint threads more than playing the game ATM :D

ddicted2gears

09-22-2011, 03:25 PM

FYI to OP please refrain from hiding your s/o complaints behind a pointless poll. the gun is going nowhere :)

Delta Spartan16

09-22-2011, 03:26 PM

Haha right?! i'm actually enjoying reading all of these complaint threads more than playing the game ATM :D yeah i really should be playing the game now but This is kinda sorta more fun atm

TomZeWolf

09-22-2011, 03:29 PM

I do hate it's cheapness, but there is no need to remove it. People need to just change their play-style now and keep their distance a bit.

TwilightX

09-22-2011, 03:30 PM

The DBS is fine. How can you change it? it already only kills people less than 2 feet in front of you. Lets just change it so that it can only kill people at point blank, while they are DBNO. AND make it so it only spawns on one map, in one game type, only during sudden death. Then maybe you people will be happy. The gnasher kills in one hit as well (and from farther range may I add), but i never see anyone upset about that.

iamShaqR

09-22-2011, 03:47 PM

As much as i would love it to be removed, i can't see it happening

NFI

09-22-2011, 03:47 PM

I find irony in all of this. When the Gnasher was actually a total over powered mess in Gears 2, why werent you pushing to have it removed from multiplayer?

The SO is fine, and this thread has flopped. Good day to all of you.

Gears of Daniel

09-22-2011, 03:47 PM

Nope, in my opinion it's fine :/

Burj

09-22-2011, 03:51 PM

It doesn't need to be removed, there just needs to be ONE playlist where you can't use it, that way everybody wins and people can stop whining. No matter how much you complain the gun will never get removed, go for something reasonable.

Blades of Grave

09-22-2011, 03:56 PM

Funny how only a small group of people are complaining, yet, their making the most noise. The poll clearly shows that about 65% of voters are reasonable, level headed and open minded while the other 35% are quiet the opposite.

To the OP: Good try, but you have failed.

Understandment

09-22-2011, 04:05 PM

I think it would be okay if it was a power weapon. If that's not an option then out with the Sawed-Off!

I'm all for a classic playlist, though.

Housin

09-22-2011, 04:22 PM

The sawed off promotes camping. Also its too easy to just shoot into smoke and get a kill. There are no pros to the sawed off, only cons. People say get your skill up but my skills are up, im pretty good at the game. I just hate dying by a no skill kill. Making the DBS a power weapon would be great. Youd know when someone picked it up, so you could look out for it. Just makes sense.

Aceolus

09-22-2011, 04:25 PM

Delta Spartan16

09-22-2011, 04:28 PM

The Double Barreled Shotgun needs to be made a pickup weapon. This way everyone will get what they want. We can still keep it in the game, but definitely not as a starting weapon just like how the Boltok Pistol is.
This-- http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFjYK6ldfPM&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL485796A50DC92290

t4nk581

09-22-2011, 05:09 PM

dbs is perfect, get your game up....

Doombringer777

09-22-2011, 05:25 PM

dbs is perfect, get your game up....
Not to pick on you in general, but you were just the latest post like this. So, if anyone here says it's balanced, watch this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzBPcavSSsI) (especially at 10:27, that should never, ever be possible with any weapon. Ever) and come back and tell me what you think of the DBS. Please, I implore all of you to watch it.

Delta Spartan16

09-22-2011, 08:41 PM

NFI

09-22-2011, 08:42 PM

Not to pick on you in general, but you were just the latest post like this. So, if anyone here says it's balanced, watch this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzBPcavSSsI) (especially at 10:27, that should never, ever be possible with any weapon. Ever) and come back and tell me what you think of the DBS. Please, I implore all of you to watch it.

Not to pick on you but you were the last post, where were you when the Gnasher was an over powered disaster in Gears 2, taking out people in 2 shots at times from near mid range and depending on the connection, further?

Thats right - you didnt say a word because you are a typical Gnasher user who is now upset there is competition in the shotgun category, and in general in regards to all the weapons. If you think the Gnasher was balanced in gears 2 - nothing you say carries any credibility anymore because that gun was utter bull****, yet we adjust and played on.

The DBS is fine and despite your constant whining, it isnt going anywhere. You have 2 options - adjust to it like people did to the Gears 2 Gnasher, or go play Gears 1 or 2.

I dont even use the DBS, so dont even start with your cliche retort.

This thread is done, most people on this forum dont agree with you, and whether you like it or not there are a lot more people out there who play and dont take the game as seriously as we do, and they are in love with the DBS. Good players are able to blast their faces off anyway, sure they may get you once or twice, but if it happens a lot? Then you need to improve.

Oh, yea, and the fact is the developers dont agree with you, so your out of luck.

Deal with it.

GamingDaily

09-22-2011, 08:42 PM

I hated the gnasher in gears 2 but in gears 3 i have a weapon to counter it finally and its the dbs, im glad its in the game, one good shot is all i need, i say it stays.

NFI

09-22-2011, 08:42 PM

You do know that the video was filmed before TU1?

Delta, ignore them. You seem to be one of the few people who have any sense, dont get pulled down to their level. They do not even know what balance means in regards to games.

Luigi649

09-22-2011, 08:56 PM

NFI

09-22-2011, 08:58 PM

at this point the games live and it would prove no point to remove it since i see more people using gnashers than sawed off's. just about most of the games i join end up with gnasher fights or some guy just campin on the wall waitin to blast people walkin by with the sawed off.

The statistics on kills and starting loadouts in the beta proved what you just said in a landslide. The numbers arent even close. I see Gnashers 10x as much as the DB, but people rage and embellish when they are killed, because alot of people here think they are better than they are, and shouldnt ever be killed by anything.

Doombringer777

09-22-2011, 10:24 PM

Not to pick on you but you were the last post, where were you when the Gnasher was an over powered disaster in Gears 2, taking out people in 2 shots at times from near mid range and depending on the connection, further?

Thats right - you didnt say a word because you are a typical Gnasher user who is now upset there is competition in the shotgun category, and in general in regards to all the weapons. If you think the Gnasher was balanced in gears 2 - nothing you say carries any credibility anymore because that gun was utter bull****, yet we adjust and played on.

The DBS is fine and despite your constant whining, it isnt going anywhere. You have 2 options - adjust to it like people did to the Gears 2 Gnasher, or go play Gears 1 or 2.

I dont even use the DBS, so dont even start with your cliche retort.

This thread is done, most people on this forum dont agree with you, and whether you like it or not there are a lot more people out there who play and dont take the game as seriously as we do, and they are in love with the DBS. Good players are able to blast their faces off anyway, sure they may get you once or twice, but if it happens a lot? Then you need to improve.

Oh, yea, and the fact is the developers dont agree with you, so your out of luck.

Deal with it.
Sigh, another imbecile. Where do i start. First off, I was very vocal about the range of the TU6 gnasher, and even more so when it came to the melee ark that gave you auto aim. These problems were exaggerated in the games I hosted due to my server like host, causing everyone to get ridiculous shotgun downs. Do not try to state that I have no credibility when I clearly do, and when you lost yours the moment you failed to actually look at my post history, or claim to know who I am and what I do or do not support. Plus I have never whined (other than the one thread where I mocked whining in reference to a show)about the DBS, only presented facts (the video), stated why it needs to be changed (breaks the laws of physics and logic), gave my opinion on it, and politely asked people to watch the video and tell me if their opinion had changed. In fact, in stating that I don't have credibility and that I need to improve you were whining about people who are complaining about the DBS.

Secondly, if you had looked at my post history you would see this, I do not have a problem with taking down people using the DBS, and most of the time i will kill them, and the times I die are due to faults on my part. I'm not one of those people that want the DBS out of the game or as a pickup weapon, I just want the problem I pointed out fixed. You would actually understand this if you thought about the area of the video I pointed out, because you should be able to gather with your somehow extraordinary skills of knowing my thoughts that I just want the impossible cone to be fixed. I have even stated in other threads on this topic that I think that everything about the DBS is fine, save for it's firing cone going outside the parameters of the barrel. I just did not in this thread because it was an earlier post before I had added more information to clarify my argument. I have personally not had what happened in the stated time in the video happen to me, but chances are someone has had that happen to them in a multiplayer game, and the fact that you can gib someone on the same horizontal plane and off 2 feet to the right of the barrel can happen is inexcusable.

Additionally, of course the developers do not agree with me. It's their gameplay mechanics, they wouldn't have put it in there if they didn't think it was perfect the way it is. However, that does not excuse them from ignoring a sizeable portion of the fanbase that has legitimate complaints with logic and reason to back up said complaints. I will admit that much of the DBS spam is whining. That does not mean that all of it is. So no, I will not just "Deal with it" because I disagree with the people in power doing something I do not agree with. It is people like you who ruin forums with your dismissal of any idea that does not agree with yours as further proven by your post later on (which I will get to). It is people with attitudes like that who allowed the Nazi's to take people from their homes and force them into concentration and death camps, using the logic that since the Nazi's are in power and will probably kill us if we disagree so we should just "Deal with it". Or who would think slavery is ok because that's how it always had been. If everyone in the world had that attitude there would be no advancement of civilization, or even form a society to begin with.

Lastly, I have to address your attempt at mocking me in your first paragraph. It's not clever, it's not funny, and it doesn't even make sense in the context of your post. I was simply using him as an example of all the other posts in the thread that say the sawed off is fine and nothing needs to be changed about it, and did not want to quote multiple people in my post. Although figuring that out would take someone who actually thinks before they post things.

Moving on:

You do know that the video was filmed before TU1?Delta, ignore them. You seem to be one of the few people who have any sense, dont get pulled down to their level. They do not even know what balance means in regards to games.
Ok. Delta Spartan, yes that video was from before TU1. However, that did not fix the part of the video I pointed out, it only fixed the DBS down. Thank you for asking that because it means you actually looked at at least part of the video.

Now, NFI. Once again you are showing your immaturity by automatically dismissing any opinions that differ from your own. I don't like to try to reason with people that do not want to reason with me, but I will not sit by idly while you insult my integrity with no proof or reason other than "he's different! GET HIM!". Please try to be more understanding of peoples opinions and understand why they think what they do.

PS: No, I will not stoop to the level of doing a TL;DR because that just encourages people to continue to be ignorant to opinions and is usually filled with a snarky way of describing a complex issue that does not touch on all the points I want to get across.

Mr Merkles

09-22-2011, 10:27 PM

Probably shouldn't be removed but I'd like a new playlist where skill is a factor. As it stands now, DBS>skill and that's not the way it should be

xTZAx

09-22-2011, 10:32 PM

Never. I have many many more kills with the Gnasher, but the Sawed-off is fun, and it's very easy to kill someone who has one equipped as long as they're not touching you.

AHal

09-22-2011, 10:34 PM

No. I don't use it, but if you're any good you can learn how to counter it just like any other weapon.

Look at that, the "No's" are winning :)

TheFly

09-22-2011, 10:45 PM

have to say having played the beta first and now gears 3 i hated the dbs and probabley still do lol
but it has to stay!!
the more i get killed with it the more i come back better and tea bag who ever used it to kill me
alot of stuff has changed in the game all for the better, its like every game you face a new challenge
wether it be from lancer guys or shotgun noobs me being one of those because all i use is the gnasher and retro
retro for slowing those dbs guys down.
been reading loads of coments about the dbs and how its ruining the game??? i dont think so
i play with a few guys who just love the dbs and tbh its great having it in your team as it does add diversity to the game
of course people will abuse this by the whole team just picking it in games but hey thats there thing and just having a good old laugh
and if they could here me scream half the times :) but like i say its just makes me come back even harder
im not saying im beast as i do get powend from time to time
my main worry was the host advantage thing which always ruined the game in my opinion
which seems to have all but gone and hope that the cheaters dont figure out a new way to cheat
so heres to gears 3 and what a good game it really is and just forget about the dbs and get on with it
dont change a thing please

Doombringer777

09-23-2011, 01:17 AM

dont even start with your cliche retort.
Couldn't have said it better myself. Good thing I actually use logic and clear, concise language to rip apart crude arguments. Thank goodness I fall into that category of people instead of being one of those people who just uses sarcasm, insults the other person in their reply, tries to mock them, and makes huge assumptions about them to seem like they have the best comeback in the world, so that the other person will be so angry his post will make him look like and idiot and I can just reply with a glorified "U MAD BRO?".

One more thing on the "Deal with it". That should never be said in a game feedback forum. The forums aren't here for you to just praise how perfect the game is. It's here for feedback. And you know what? People have a problem with some aspect of the game, they're supposed to post it on the forums to let people who can do something about it know how their feeling. That is the point of a game forum. To provide suggestions to the developers. Also, I keep witnessing threads with legitimate complaints about the game disappearing. Epic or the forum moderators behind this: you should be ashamed of yourselves for stifling opinions and complaints just because many people have them and you're tired of it (this goes for people who complain about certain threads as well).

VonBismark

09-23-2011, 01:25 AM

Does this thread mean the other 7 sawed off, polled QQ threads wherent official? Take corners wide, watch your surroundings. Im sorry youre unable to rush like a mindless twit anymore.

NFI

09-23-2011, 01:28 AM

Couldn't have said it better myself. Good thing I actually use logic and clear, concise language to rip apart crude arguments. Thank goodness I fall into that category of people instead of being one of those people who just uses sarcasm, insults the other person in their reply, tries to mock them, and makes huge assumptions about them to seem like they have the best comeback in the world, so that the other person will be so angry his post will make him look like and idiot and I can just reply with a glorified "U MAD BRO?".

There is irony here--there really is. I would go on but you have yet to post anything of merit other than a long drawn out response that does nothing to bolster an argument that you tried to fuel using and out of date video.

Second - you were not on here complaining about the Gnasher in Gears 1 and 2 because you werent even a member of the forums. You have 100 posts. I checked your history and your first post came June 10. If you are going to rant and rave like that make sure you have the backing to substantiate what you are saying. So I say again - where were you in Gears 1 and 2, complaining about the obscene and obnoxious Gnasher. That is right- you werent vocal about the TU6 update because you had one post on it about the hit box on a melee. You posted for a few weeks until July of 2010 then vanished until recently. Dont lecture people and try to play coy when you know full well your own post history.

Delta caught you in a fib - and now you are clearly upset.

And by the way - before dissing people for tossing out insults, which I didnt, you better not do it in your own post - it only makes you look worse.

I am done addressing someone who lies up and down and tries to post outdated crap as a means to bolster some argument. This forum has ignore options for people like you.

.

Doombringer777

09-23-2011, 01:29 AM

Does this thread mean the other 7 sawed off, polled QQ threads wherent official? Take corners wide, watch your surroundings. Im sorry youre unable to rush like a mindless twit anymore.
I'm sorry you don't take the time to look through more than a few posts on the first page to see some legitimate complaints that should be addressed.

SIR BIGGLES 520

09-23-2011, 01:31 AM

NFI's post are some of the most fun to read on these forums :)

VonBismark

09-23-2011, 01:31 AM

I'm sorry you don't take the time to look through more than a few posts on the first page to see some legitimate complaints that should be addressed.

Because there is none.

Asrial

09-23-2011, 01:38 AM

I'm sorry you don't take the time to look through more than a few posts on the first page to see some legitimate complaints that should be addressed.Hard to take the thread seriously when the person creating it has 300+ posts in the span of 20 days and 95% of them are all *****ing about something.

Democritus_

09-23-2011, 01:48 AM

I agree the sawed off needs to be a pick-up weapon IMO :D

DestroWod

09-23-2011, 01:51 AM

even tought i always use it, cause its the way to play this game(uber noob style) I SOOOOO WANT IT TO BE REMOVED

Doombringer777

09-23-2011, 01:57 AM

There is irony here--there really is. I would go on but you have yet to post anything of merit other than a long drawn out response that does nothing to bolster an argument that you tried to fuel using and out of date video.

Second - you were not on here complaining about the Gnasher in Gears 1 and 2 because you werent even a member of the forums. You have 100 posts. I checked your history and your first post came June 10. If you are going to rant and rave like that make sure you have the backing to substantiate what you are saying. So I say again - where were you in Gears 1 and 2, complaining about the obscene and obnoxious Gnasher. That is right- you werent vocal about the TU6 update because you had one post on it about the hit box on a melee. You posted for a few weeks until July of 2010 then vanished until recently. Dont lecture people and try to play coy when you know full well your own post history.

Delta caught you in a fib - and now you are clearly upset.

And by the way - before dissing people for tossing out insults, which I didnt, you better not do it in your own post - it only makes you look worse.

I am done addressing someone who lies up and down and tries to post outdated crap as a means to bolster some argument. This forum has ignore options for people like you.

.
Does nothing to bolster an argument I had? Are you joking? My argument was that the gun fires in an impossible ark. The video proves that (the updates in TU1 did nothing about the specific point in time I pointed out, I've even tested it so just because there was a title update doesn't make it outdated and mean everything in the game was changed due to the update so the issue still stands, which I pointed out in my reply to delta) and there's no way you can say that it doesn't happen. Secondly, you have no idea about me or what I do in my free time. You're right, I don't have a lot of posts. That's because I only go on these forums when I need to because they are filled with people consistently *****ing with no reason to back up why they are writing an angry post. Not to mention the number of useless posts and people who just insult other posters to troll. So I hang out on more polite forums like the Escapist and occasionally the Xbox.com forums. I have posted there many times about the TU6 shotgun, not to mention the polls I've participated in but not posted on, the times I have sent PM's about it or have talked about it with my friends. Just because I didn't post it here does not make it any less valid. When I said I was vocal about it I never specified where and when I was vocal, so do not call me a liar.

Also, yes I didn't join until Jun 2010, because before then I really did not feel like having another forum to deal with because I could barely play gears 2 because my internet wasn't great and everyone's host sucked so I wasn't getting any enjoyment or even be able to form legitimate opinions on certain things that needed to be changed because I didn't know if it was a problem with the weapon itself, or if it was due due to the dodgy hit detection and lag I got from the poor connections. Plus, everyone on the Gears 2 forums knew the MM was messed up, and the complaints I was able to identify had been addressed multiple times in multiple threads like the one we're in right now, with the same kind of people on both sides of the arguments. It wasn't until January of this year that I upgraded my Internet, and by then I figured whats the point because Gears 3 was going to be out in April, and figured both before and after the announcement of Gears 3 being moved to September, Epic would be in crunch time and have no time for Gears 2 patches. So I ran far away from this wretched, hate infested place, until the time came that I had to use it again.

So if you feel it necessary, go ahead and Ignore me if you haven't already. I am sorry if I have caused any sort of divide between us with my posts, but I could not stand idly by and not defend my stance. I respect your right to an opinion and hope the best for you. I may not like what you say but I will defend to the death your right to say it. So if you have not already ignored me, I bid you a good day and happy gibbing in Gears 3.

Doombringer777

09-23-2011, 02:00 AM

Hard to take the thread seriously when the person creating it has 300+ posts in the span of 20 days and 95% of them are all *****ing about something.

Just because the thread was started by a whiner, does not reflect the entirety of the posts in the thread. It's a forum. There are going to be trolls, there are going to be haters, and there are going to be people with opinions that no one can change. The best thing to do is to make every post count and be respectful of others.

Shura30

09-23-2011, 02:07 AM

please don't make epic start jamming the game with tons of unneeded patches and supposed fixes

the dbs is easy to counter, stop whining and learn how to deal against (ie don't just lower your head trying to retro charge it like there's no tomorrow)

players tend to deal against dbs at distances and situations they shouldn't so they get gibbed so badly
don't camp near corners becacuse someone will reach your back and kaboom, don't sit in cover waiting for them to come, take a few steps back where he's out of range and blast him to death, machinegun his ass while he tries to run to reload

it's really simple

what gears3 are showing with this ridicolous amount of anti dbs threads is the lack of will to improve and adapt to changes

SIR BIGGLES 520

09-23-2011, 02:08 AM

the sawed off is ****ing retarded and cheap. Make it a ****ing pickup weapon
Comments like this don't help the anti-DBS arguements at all. Epic has stated in the past in actual hurts the arguement and these comments are generally ignored for obvious reasons

Doombringer777

09-23-2011, 02:09 AM

the sawed off is ****ing retarded and cheap. Make it a ****ing pickup weapon

Ok, please calm down. Posts like this are what make people disregard any and all complaints about the Sawed off. I understand if you don't like it, but please, formulate a well thought out post that has some proof to back up why you feel that way and maybe things will change due to actual consideration of arguments instead of it causing mindless responses from people who want to seem cool and better than the rest of us by coming back with equally immature statements like "You mad bro." statements that offer no real response to the complaint and are in denial that some people might have a problem with something they don't have a problem with, and do so by replying with derivations of "You need to Adapt." and "Play better."

Also, the profanity never helps an argument. It just makes it seem like it's made out of unthinking rage and by an immature poster. Just an fyi.

Doombringer777

09-23-2011, 02:17 AM

what gears3 are showing with this ridiculous amount of anti dbs threads is the lack of will to improve and adapt to changes
It depends on the argument. I wholly disagree with anything other than changing the fact that the ark defies the laws of physics and can give someone who is lined up horizontally with the barrel and foot or two to the side. There is no way any pellets would fly in that direction the DBS is able to fire in, even with it's ridiculous bore, and even if they did, there would only be around 1 bebe that would make contact. I have no problem with the sawed off otherwise. I think it's a great weapon to fight against because it adds more intensity and danger to the up-close and personal battles.

ComradeNico

09-23-2011, 02:18 AM

I would prefer to have it removed, but I wouldn't mind it if it were to be a pick up weapon!

Doombringer777

09-23-2011, 02:27 AM

Because there is none.
This is why legitimate complaints never get anywhere on this forum because people do not take the time to read and carefully consider what others are saying. Then, they add short posts that are irrelevant to the issues people want addressed, which in turn drives up the post and page count, burying good posts under loads of bad ones.

Sulfuric

09-23-2011, 02:27 AM

The only problem I have with the DBS (and to a lesser extent, the HB and Plancer), is that in GoW 1, you had 1 assault rifle, 1 pistol, and 1 shotgun. Because there was no variety, the best players rose to the top and you KNEW that your skill would be tested in a 1v1 with any of those weapons. Shotty battles, lancer crossfire, pistol headshots, etc. There were only 3 starting weapons, and you got really really good with them, no variety required.

Then along came Gears 2, and with more weapons, became less familiarity with both of them. Hammerburst was the best choice in 90% of situations you'd face, but shotgun battles continued to test your skill because everyone had the same gun.

Then comes Gears 3, and now we have 3 rifles, and 2 shotguns. It's good variety, and I guess could be better overall, but it takes away from the old "If I am to be good I need to know my 3 starting weapons in and out". Now, you can win because you ended up in a better position to use your rifle, or shotgun, and ESPECIALLY the DBS takes away from the fun shotgun battles of GoW1 and 2. It was fun bouncing around and getting in melee range to gib someone, but now you can't really do that because they might look in your direction and kill you with the DBS.

It's the CoD vs. Halo effect. Do you want players to be able to choose between different guns and pick the best for the situation, or do you want to test who is the best by starting everyone off equally and seeing who rises to the top?

I prefer the latter.

Edit: This is not on topic but I feel like I must thank Epic for listening to our requests and adding the option to pick between GoW1 or GoW2 weapon spawning, for making sure the amount of launch glitches is low, for dedicated servers, for wonderfully fun horde and beast mode (even if horde takes forever thanks to extra 30 seconds each wave waiting to build stuff), and for generally making me a very happy gamer. Please also increase the rounds per match of exe/warzone to at LEAST 5, this 3 round stuff is silly, and decrease wait times for ranked matches (unless it's just me they take a long time to find games). You could have made me even happier by adding MORE options for private matches like SP on/off/decrease by X%, and a few other things, but the weapon spawn option makes me joyful enough.

Rico Rodriguez

09-23-2011, 03:00 AM

*********************READ THIS ONE PLEASE******************
First of all the last multiplayer game I played on this every person on my team (except me) and every person on the other team were using the sawed off shottie. The only thing I ever died from was sawed off and Boom. If everyone is choosing this weapon and seasoned players (50 games or more) *(respect to you guys using several weapons)* mostly using this site and posting these numbers means this......
No other person that buys this game from now on will actually enjoy the multiplayer due to constant death by sawed off. I beat the campain first (and loved it) and when I hit multiplayer I think it is broke. I played Gears 1 and 2 multiplayer and loved it but Gears 3 is a sad multiplayer expierience for me as everyone is using the same shottie and owning me with it.
This is my first post. This was important enought for me to create a profile and post my opinion.
On 360 I am Rico Rodriguez and I am sad that the multiplayer is broken for me and I am not playing on Gears 3. (I bought the console and still wear my cog tags I ordered online)
I hope a patch is set up so its not such a powerful weapon for those of us that don't want to use it.
Thanks for reading.
-Rico

bscalimero3

09-23-2011, 03:12 AM

See, that's the Problem with this.

I've every Member of the other Team uses the SO and is killing me with it I'm like "oh, you wanna play it this way?" and then I pull out my own Boomstick and blast them to pieces. Most of those players quit games when they die to often so it's kind of satisfying to blast them out of the lobby.^^

Have Fun playing the game and use the weapons it gave you.
And again (as said a hundred times before) Adapt! Don't hold to your gnasher when you get permanently owned. The game has changed and so should you!

I love everything On this game! Great build!

Unreal Havoc

09-23-2011, 03:18 AM

You do know that the video was filmed before TU1?

The changes made to the Sawn Off Shotgun were removed ability to down and removal of the targeting reticule when hard aiming.

Read the notes in the video and it explains this. The video is spot on. The Sawn Off Shotgun still works the same way. If you actually test it for yourself you can see this quite easily.

When you can aim away from someone, and still get a kill, the weapon is broken. It's bad enough that it's instant gib but to not even require aiming in a players general direction is ridiculous.

So yes, it needs tweaking to reduce it's spread. Anyone who promotes a weapon that requires zero skill or aiming ability to get a kill is obviously in love with their easy win button.

Before the obvious crap gets slung my way just take in mind that I have no problem with people using it or using it myself. I'll abuse it while I can. That doesn't change that it still needs addressing.

Nerf_Herder

09-23-2011, 03:18 AM

I would like to see it removed at least in it's current incarnation. I would PREFER to see it re-tweaked to keep our selections varied. I've seen a lot of suggestions for DBS/SO tweaks and the one I like the most are:

1.) reduce it's spread range, so it can't gib 3 healthy opponents.

2.) make it so it has two-rounds active at the same time, and give it an alternate firing option of either firing one barrell with the shot at gnasher strength but reduced range, and fire the second barrell at half the rate-of-fire it would take to fire 2 gnasher shots. OR let both barrells fire together at 2X gnasher strength, but still with a slightly shorter effective range. Basically I would make it a 2X gnasher in damage, and a 0.5 gnasher range-wise. This seems to fit the concept of a sawed-off better anyway: shorter range with increased power. Though it kinda is that now, I think the effective range needs to be upped slightly, and the power of it's shot cut significantly. (BTW: this is all my conception except for the idea of being able to fire one or both barrells. I would credit the poster on this site who I read it from, but I can't remember where on EPIC forums I actually saw it - sorry.)

To do #2 I would remove the active reload on the DBS and make the right bumper the second barrell, so to fire both barrells together, you would press the RB and RT at the same time - if you made the second barrell be LT you would lose the aim function, which is why I suggest RB instead.

DoctorG27

09-23-2011, 03:20 AM

How is this official?
And no, it is easily counterable. I hate to say this, but people need to adapt. Just learn to keep out of point blank range.

Prometherion M

09-23-2011, 03:22 AM

How is this official?
And no, it is easily counterable. I hate to say this, but people need to adapt. Just learn to keep out of point blank range.

What he said!

10 wins

/tread

Scuba Steb

09-23-2011, 03:22 AM

The game is perfect, no need to tweak guns.

I hope Epic doesn't listen to the whiners and keeps dbs as it is.

This. Guess people won't be happy until gears 3 becomes a Gnasher fest!

GI2INGO

09-23-2011, 03:26 AM

No!
Its not Gears 2!
You now have to be carefull, specially at corners!
Gears 3 is new experience!

Maybe you have been the best Player in Gears 2.... But in Gears 3 you have to adapt your way of playing!
DBS never is unfair you always know you made a mistake!
So Keep distance with gnasher and dont try to one shot them!

Offworlder1

09-23-2011, 03:27 AM

Wow all this complaining about the sawed off shotgun is hilarious, yes it can be a cheap weapon but its very easy to counter.

Its really only good as a situational weapon when defending in KOTH, or assualting in KOTH, other then that its not a hard weapon to beat especially in a gnasher vs sawed off fight.

Gnasher has a range and power, sawed off only has power at extremely close range.

Any other time just hose the sawed off user down at range with lancer, retro lancer, or hammerburst, its really not hard to combat unless you got corner killed or snuck up on.

Sulfuric

09-23-2011, 01:08 PM

Another problem is, there are so many corners, it promotes camping behind walls waiting for opponent to walk around them. Of course, you could always do that with the gnasher but at least you had to aim a little bit . . .

Undead Paradox

09-23-2011, 01:14 PM

Because I said so.
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The DBS is fine the way it is. It's only benefit over the Gnasher is the spread. I don't see the problem.

Sturm Krieger9

09-23-2011, 01:15 PM

If people cant learn to adapt because they are too stuck in the memory of Gears 1 and 2, then they need to buck up or play a different game

Josh123

09-23-2011, 01:16 PM

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The DBS is fine the way it is. It's only benefit over the Gnasher is the spread. I don't see the problem.

The DBS has a farther gibbing range too. They should be the same gibbing range, if you ask me.

Hixbot

09-23-2011, 01:42 PM

it always needed to be a pick up weapon...
this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hixbot

09-23-2011, 01:43 PM

The DBS has a farther gibbing range too. They should be the same gibbing range, if you ask me.

Actually the gnasher should have the better range. Barrel is longer = more range.

tjstix

09-23-2011, 02:44 PM

Kissker

09-24-2011, 12:03 AM

The sawed-off can take down a boomer in one shot, so of course it's going to just destroy the rest of us. That's it's purpose. If you're unlucky enough to be in it's path, then you're S.O.L. Plus, it's an "all or nothing" gun. At least I know that if I miss, I'm dead.

Not really. You don't have to gib to win.. a splash shot and a punch downs, then another quick kick and you win, all from 1 bullet.

It needs to be a map based weapon. It always has, from beta even, but doubt it'll ever get changed, so it's just shotguns all the time, gets VERY boring.

At this rate I'll be movin on to a new game sooner then I thought... since VS is just shotgun camping every round... so boring..... sooo... .boooooring.... watching grass grow would be better.

The issue isn't really that it "one shot kills" the issue that it's too common. Everyone has one - so when the noob gets pwned, the "better" sawed of shottie user gets more ammo, it has very little ammo for a reason. Since you can't seem to get this into noobs heads, it's better to just ask it to be a map weapon. 1 per map, no matter what map. This would limit the annoying and boring campers, as well as add true diversity to the game - will the Pro Shottie get it? Or will a noob pick it up? will the other team get it? who knows! it takes teamwork!

MongooseRawr

09-24-2011, 01:01 AM

I think it's fine. People corner camp all the time with the chainsaw and it also has a huge vulnerability delay.

If it's a starting weapon, everyone has it. Fair game.
If it's a pick up weapon, it's another map control item. Just like all the other weapons.

All the weapons tend to have advantages and disadvantages. This gun's an all or nothing weapon. Hit and gib/severe damage. Miss and you got a huge reload period to deal with.

CGOWAddict

09-24-2011, 01:05 AM

Official!!! LOL

djgs

09-24-2011, 01:13 AM

its alot larger amount then it was before voting yes so the more time goes on the more people are seeing it as an issue.

Either that or a playlist. If Epic does not address the issue full stop then alot of players wont be here long and the "CASUAL" folks will be just that. Cod and Battlefield are out soon and i wasnt planning on leaving for life or death but Battlefield is a great in depth game alot like this that aint easy and takes alot of team work. Be a shame for me and all my lot to get that and forget about Gears after the amount of hopes we had for this one. Playlist for those wanting it will keep the larger audience playing gears for years. Time will tell hey

MongooseRawr

09-24-2011, 01:22 AM

GOW3 topped 1.3 million preorders. Players are liking the new additions. If they want to play without it they can play the older Gears games.

Lurdan

09-24-2011, 02:30 AM

I'm of the "adapt or die" opinion, but to be fair - the least they could do is change the description. "Zero effectiveness beyond melee range" my ass. I always get chunked up by the DBS diving backwards or evading.

DaBeast999

09-24-2011, 03:03 AM

Regardless of which option you choose, something needs to be done.

Either: Make it a pickup OR Nerf it ALOT OR Remove it altogether(This won't happen)

xtrixplex

09-24-2011, 03:35 AM

DanTheJIGGERMAN

09-24-2011, 05:13 AM

It always needed to be a pick up weapon...
i completely agree, all the DBS users do is hide behing walls and pull the trigger and they get massive kills. The description says "zero effectiveness at beyond melee range" yet people can shoot from a distance that the gnasher doesnt gib from and completely goo people. Im so sick of kids sprinting into a battle and firing the DBS getting a easy and unskillfull kill, then running away reloading then firing again.

Usedtab3

09-24-2011, 05:23 AM

Nope, don't remove it and don't change it. I say this as someone who only used it to see what all the fuss was about for a few matches. I like killing the noobs who think it's their perfect weapon and charge in like retards.

CharlieSpleen

09-24-2011, 05:25 AM

It should be removed from Ranked because right now their isn't enough incentive for people to go an play Ranked matches. And Ranked is supposed to be more competitive than Quick Match, but as long as the DBS remains it will be exploited by veterans or slow down the pace of the game by new players using their hand cannons.
1 month trial. Remove DBS from Ranked or make it a pick-up. If enough people play the new Ranked to support it and especially if the number of players increase then the new Ranked should say.

Usedtab3

09-24-2011, 05:34 AM

I keep waiting for someone to show me how the DBS is being "abused" by "veteran players". Is it because they camp with it, as if camping wasn't a strategy? Can you seriously not deal with DBS campers? I have zero problem getting them out of their holes and successfully killing them, but I use teamwork and strategy.

*NOTE* I do not use the DBS, but the whining about it is phenomenal. I might start just to troll you babies.

iFail

09-24-2011, 05:34 AM

No because it looks sexy.

Seriously, that's my reason, I love the way the DBS looks.

Housin

09-24-2011, 05:34 AM

Why does everyone say "adapt"? How can you "adapt" to someone camping around a corner and when you get close enough they come out and blind fire? and most of the time the guy with the sawed off isnt even facing me, ill be at his 9/10 oclock position. The spread is ridiculous, just too easy to get a kill. If you want it to say in the game then in my eyes you are not a true gears fan. The bread and butter of gears is the Gnasher. And if you dont like the gnasher its because your bad with it and get owned when you use a lancer in a close range battle. Simple as that. Its like getting killed by a grenade launcher in a FPS game, you get a skill-less death. I give a man props iv he owns me with a gnasher or out shoots me with a lancer but its not fair to die if its not your fault. And adding it as a pick up weapon would be fine, just add a bright light on the end of it so i know when someone has it.

iFail

09-24-2011, 05:38 AM

Why does everyone say "adapt"? How can you "adapt" to someone camping around a corner and when you get close enough they come out and blind fire?

Grenades have always been the primary tool used against campers, so... why should Gears of War 3 be any different?

Usedtab3

09-24-2011, 05:38 AM

I give a man props iv he owns me with a gnasher or out shoots me with a lancer but its not fair to die if its not your fault.

So you rushing him like a retard is considered "not your fault" now? And as far as the "adapt" bit, deal with it. Us Gears1 fans had to adapt to your crappy Gears 2 gameplay if we wanted to play. Now you adapt. Also, I only use a gnasher. Come at me bro.

Housin

09-24-2011, 05:53 AM

So you rushing him like a retard is considered "not your fault" now? And as far as the "adapt" bit, deal with it. Us Gears1 fans had to adapt to your crappy Gears 2 gameplay if we wanted to play. Now you adapt. Also, I only use a gnasher. Come at me bro.

Sorry "Bro" but i never said anything about me rushing a player that is sitting behind cover, ill be 6 feet away and by the time then use the cover system to come out they have shortened the distance and oh yea let me roll out of the way but no the spread on the DBS is the whole screen. And to other dude let me run all the way back to frags and take my eye of my opponent, doesnt make to much sense.

Usedtab3

09-24-2011, 06:00 AM

Sorry "Bro" but i never said anything about me rushing a player that is sitting behind cover, ill be 6 feet away and by the time then use the cover system to come out they have shortened the distance and oh yea let me roll out of the way but no the spread on the DBS is the whole screen. And to other dude let me run all the way back to frags and take my eye of my opponent, doesnt make to much sense.

I never have this problem lol. How bad are you guys? I've seriously maybe died 25 times by a sawed off in 50+ matches. And that's entire teams using them. I cheer when I see those, because I know I'm gonna walk out of the match with a 20/5 K/D and the MVP medal.

GearOfWarHead

09-24-2011, 06:00 AM

DBS should be a pick up weapon simple and plain I am tired of getting owned by the DBS crew. 90 percent of the players use a DBS it becomes fustrating after a while. DBS should be a pick up weapon period. I dont know what makes Epic think this was a good idea to make the DBS a selectable weapon that's beyond crazy.

Homicidal Toaster

09-24-2011, 06:01 AM

1. This **** ain't official.

2. It will never get removed from ANYTHING. Why? Because you need to adapt and people have already paid for camos.

Usedtab3

09-24-2011, 06:03 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owzhYNcd4OM

This entire thread.

Lungsh0t

09-24-2011, 06:03 AM

This is not official.

CGOWAddict

09-24-2011, 11:22 AM

They need to nerf the hella out of DBS. The whole "melee range to get a kill" is complete bull****. That thing can tear you apart from such ridiculous distance. The gun was a lot more fair in the beta as it really needed you to be up within 2 feet distance to kill the enemy. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XETPxObE5x0 just as reference. Please Epic fix the goddamn gun. Gears has been turned to shoot once and then camp with the DBS. It's getting really annoying.

People need to stop using that dumb @ss video (http://youtu.be/XETPxObE5x0) as a reference.

1) There's no side view to really tell how far apart they truly are, plus that's a freaking hard aim with a DB, what did you expect??

2)who the hell is going to be standing still? Someone coming in or across at a angle may cause a different conclusion.

3)The shot on Gridlock while a player passes by is not a good example, the guy when shooting the gnasher clearly almost completely missed and that's sad considering making of that video is timed to show a example. "Here I come.....get ready......Shooooot........NOW!!!" :p

4)It's a timed shot, meaning you knew exactly when the player was going to be at the top of the stairs, a luxury I don't have when playing with good players who will see me stick my face out to see where the enemy is, or be told by another that I'm at the area.

My load out is the Gnasher, but I know I just have to be more cautious because a DB can gib me. If I run around like the player in that video I deserve to get my @ss gibbed. Also, It's funny how so many have these statistics and are still not smart enough to be more alert and cautious now. This is not Gears 2!! Do I hate being gibbed by one shot? yes. Do I deserve to get gibbed for not paying attention? Yes!

I personally will change my load out weapons during a match depending on the map, other players, and what's happening in the game. So I will change from the Lancer to the plancer, or the Gnasher to the DB. Don't hate me for thinking on my feet.

It also seems the maker of this video didn't want a good comment disagreing about his video because he/she removed the comment below, I'm glad I already had quoted it in a different (no surprise) DB hate thread in these forums.

This is the stupidest thing ever. (the video)

All you showed was the ****ing damage the gun does. SPOILERS: IT'S SUPPOSED TO DO MORE DAMAGE. Now make a video showing the range the Gnasher has compared to the DBS, the ammo capacity, the fact that if you miss once you have 15 more attempts to kill the ****er with 1 second reload compared to THREE more chances with a 15 week reload, active reload being at the start of the Gnasher's reload line and at the end of the DBS.

I'm not here to defend the gun, it just seems people are acting like old stubborn men who want it their way or it's the wrong way or are playing follow the leader because others are saying the same thing.

Oh, one more thing....THIS IS NOT A OFFICIAL ANYTHING!!!