Multiplayer is looking great, except one MAJOR thing:

[Paradoxed]

Was ANYTHING done to the Sawed-off shotgun since the Beta? If anything, It looks like they increased it's range. It's even more of a skill-less noob canon than it was before.

Have you noticed if the shot angle has decreased at all, because I haven't. I'm as pissed at it as ever. Seriously, it was the most obnoxious problem in the beta, and now seems will be the most obnoxious problem in the final game.

In an otherwise seeminly well balanced game, why was this not better balanced? You can kill someone with a single sawed-off shot at a further distance than you can kill someone with a single gnasher shot. That's obviously a problem.

Also one other small thing:

I always loved in Gears when you get your head popped, your lifeless corpse just stands there for a second and then collapse. Now, it just collapses immediately, and you can't revel in the sudden jolt of your head missing.

[Busta SMurk]

In an otherwise seeminly well balanced game, why was this not better balanced? You can kill someone with a single sawed-off shot at a further distance than you can kill someone with a single gnasher shot. That's obviously a problem.


i thought i was the only one to notice this.however, ive had success (gnasher equipped) downing somebody who was yielding the sawn-off from the same distance, but he gibbed me. so it wasn't exactly a trade off.

[DoIlookLocustToU]

i managed to kill a sawed off user from just inside the range of a 1shot kill for the gnasher and got killed by the sawed from a pretty far range by the same person i just killed... was pretty upsetting

[covertpetersen]

It seems worse than it was in the beta, by far. I personally think the sawed off should be a pick up weapon like the boltok or gorgon. Don't make it a power weapon exactly, just a pickup weapon to limit there numbers.

[Atomebendr]

Oh boy its this thread again.....

I hate it when people complain and don't do anything about it other than complain.

[Madcat124]

Oh boy its this thread again.....

I hate it when people complain and don't do anything about it other than complain.

Cause they should break in to EPIC and re-write the code them self?

[S Y N T A X]

Oh boy its this thread again.....

I hate it when people complain and don't do anything about it other than complain.

I'm pretty sure that complaining is doing something. What else are they supposed todo? Have a car wash?
Anyways it does seem a bit OP, I've been getting gibbed with it all day but eh I thought I was just having a bad day.

[ThexCrusher]

FYI, the sawed off's gib range is FARTHER than the gnasher's. It kinda sucks, imo.

[Atomebendr]

Cause they should break in to EPIC and re-write the code them self?

At least its SOMETHING.

I wish I chose the psychology major just to see why people complain.

[o Jovi GaGa o]

I think they made the Sawed-Off and Retro more powerful then the beta. It's honestly annoying me beyond belief.

[bg wannabe]

The downing range with the SO was replaced with gibbing range. Tbh id rather be downed

[maddoggx]

Retro is so NOT more powerful than the beta.

[clopin]

I think they made the Sawed-Off and Retro more powerful then the beta. It's honestly annoying me beyond belief.

Are you serious? Retro is no longer a hip-fire rape cannon that causes people to cry worlds away.

I haven't played enough MP yet to come to a consensus about the Sawed Off yet, other than the fact that it is annoying as hell in Wingman.

[AndyOchoZero]

Was ANYTHING done to the Sawed-off shotgun? If anything, It looks like they increased it's range. It's even more of a skill-less noob canon than it was before.

Have you noticed anything, like decreased angle shot or anything? Because I'm as pissed at it as ever. Seriously, it was the most obnoxious problem in the beta, and now seems will be the most obnoxious problem in the final game.

In an otherwise seeminly well balanced game, why was this not better balanced? You can kill someone with a single sawed-off shot at a further distance than you can kill someone with a single gnasher shot. That's obviously a problem.

Also one other small thing:

I always loved in Gears when you get your head popped, your lifeless corpse just stands there for a second and then collapse. Now, it just collapses immediately, and you can't revel in the sudden jolt of your head missing.

Thats what the first thing me and my crew noticed! The DBS seems it has been increased. Its seems that its FAR worst than it was in the beta.


<<<<<<GT>>>>>>AndYsGR8sKILLs

[o Jovi GaGa o]

When a bot has a Retro it's like they turn into God.

[a_fat_greek_cat]

I knew going in that the sawed off was going to be the same old super frustrating noobcannon.

What I didn't expect is that it would ruin wingman. The gametype, which I felt was the keystone of gears MP because of it requiring true teamwork AND real skill with the gnasher, is absolutely unplayable. The sawed off has effectively destroyed it. Teamwork is no longer needed, and obviously neither is gnasher skill; all it takes is a douchebag running around tanking with the noobcannon to win. It's pathetic.

[Brash_Attack]

Funny. Right as I read this title of this thread I rolled my eyes and said "sawed-off..." but wasn't really expecting this article to be about it. The multiplayer would be 10 times better without the sawed-off.

[Paradoxed]

Funny. Right as I read this title of this thread I rolled my eyes and said "sawed-off..." but wasn't really expecting this article to be about it. The multiplayer would be 10 times better without the sawed-off.

I wouldn't say that it's keeping me from enjoying multiplayer, but it's a weapon that's obviously not twiqued quite right. Either make it ever so slightly more powerful and make it a pick up weapon, or weaken it for a spawn weapon, because as of now, it completely ruins the fun of fighting anyone with that out.

Does anyone know if the shot angle is decreased or not? I know in the beta it was practically 150 degrees. I'm not sure now, but it seems to be bugging me just as much as before. The weapon can be saved, it just needs balancing.

[Xx JUKE xX]

Funny. Right as I read this title of this thread I rolled my eyes and said "sawed-off..." but wasn't really expecting this article to be about it. The multiplayer would be 10 times better without the sawed-off.

It's true. It seems like the forums have pretty much come to a consensus at this point that the sawed-off just does not belong in Gears. The retro was honestly pushing it, but I can deal with it because it is nothing compared to the HB at range. As for the lancer though... Well it has the chainsaw and unfortunately the vacuum effect made a return so that balances it enough. But the DBS just seems to foster too much easy gameplay. I've played for a single day and I already can't count on one hand the amount of times I've watched somebody rush up to me with a DBS while I have my gnasher out, and by the time I shoot once, and get ready to put the downing shot in them, they shoot me out of their sprint and gib me from the range my Gnasher couldn't down/gib them.

It's honestly saddening... Like I said though, unless everybody uses it now and boosts their k/d ratios with it in the beginning, Epic will never see how bad it is. I want it balanced, and not that I want my way (if I had my way, it would be removed entirely), okay so I do want my way, but it just needs to be introduced to some learning curve, or reduce the amount of reward you can get from using it.

[DrunkenSano]

Yeah, hopped on and noticed how annoying the sawed off was. Seems to have the same range as Gnasher. The only downside is the long reload but it gives you a guaranteed kill, maybe more if people are clumped up. Anyway to reduce the sawed off's range a bit more?

[DylanN89]

I got a TON of friends takingthis game back..... because of this exact reason..... ABSO ridicolous..... pathedic.... how one gun can RUIN the game COMPLETLY..... saddening

[The Boondock Saint]

Don't worry everyone, I hate the sawed off as much as anybody. But as soon as Battlefield 3 and Modern Warfare 3 ship all the noobs will moves on and they're cheap tactics will travel with them. Even if Epic doesn't do anything I don't see this being a problem for very long.

[DylanN89]

Don't worry everyone, I hate the sawed off as much as anybody. But as soon as Battlefield 3 and Modern Warfare 3 ship all the noobs will moves on and they're cheap tactics will travel with them. Even if Epic doesn't do anything I don't see this being a problem for very long.


jus wait my friend.... itll get worse... much worse....

[Brash_Attack]

Don't worry everyone, I hate the sawed off as much as anybody. But as soon as Battlefield 3 and Modern Warfare 3 ship all the noobs will moves on and they're cheap tactics will travel with them. Even if Epic doesn't do anything I don't see this being a problem for very long.

I feel like you're both right and wrong. I do see a huge number of the noobs moving on to MW3/ Battlefield 3 once they release, but some will stay. Also, since the more hardcore Gears players will want to get all their awards and whatnot, they will then be forced to use the sawed-off. At that point, we will be looking at more skilled players using an insanely unbalanced weapon.

[Paradoxed]

Don't worry everyone, I hate the sawed off as much as anybody. But as soon as Battlefield 3 and Modern Warfare 3 ship all the noobs will moves on and they're cheap tactics will travel with them. Even if Epic doesn't do anything I don't see this being a problem for very long.
That's an interesting theory, but I don't think it'll work out quite that easily.

If there's one thing more annoying than a cheap noob with an overpowered weapon, it's a cheap pro with an overpowered weapon. If this stays as is, it's going to outshadow the gnasher on all but the largest maps.

[Vancity Gnasher]

Its not that it "Oushadows" the gnasher. Its that the range was NOT decreased like they said it was.

[BoT_ToY]

Well, I don't know about Sawed-off being buffed or not, but I do see way more people using Sawed-off than I expected. It's pretty annoying indeed, but I just have to deal with it. I'm almost level 30, and I haven't had a single Sawed-off kill yet.

[Jarayado]

I liked the sawed off in the beta, in fact, it was my favorite weapon. Now i hate it

[pckl300]

I've played for a single day and I already can't count on one hand the amount of times I've watched somebody rush up to me with a DBS while I have my gnasher out, and by the time I shoot once, and get ready to put the downing shot in them, they shoot me out of their sprint and gib me from the range my Gnasher couldn't down/gib them.

+1. The people rolling around with Gnashers that Epic tried to eliminate from Gears 1 have become people rolling around with the DBS.

[SuperHey]

sawn off is more annoying then anything i have ever dealt with. Frequent users problay think its great though. I would like to see something done to make it slightly harder to use. I dont really care though if nothings done the game is still GREAT :D:cool::)

[DrunkenSano]

They should make it a delayed trigger for the sawed off shotgun. So it shoots half a second after you pull the trigger.

[Hate on G]

Seems fine by me, I get killed with it, as I get kills with it.

[Paradoxed]

Seems fine by me, I get killed with it, as I get kills with it.
Ok, well that sentence leaves nothing objective. Simply because you've both killed and been killed with it says nothing about the weapon. It's more of a sign that you rely on it, and thus are reluctant to see how unbalanced it is.

If they made a 1-bullet kill gun that you can spawn with, you could say that "I get killed with it, as I get kills with it." It's still a terribly overpowered weapon none the less...

[Carnage 3o4]

The range on the DBS seems to be a bit too long sometimes, but it's far from overpowered. You just need to learn to adapt. If you're trying to go 1v1 with a gnasher against someone with a DBS you need to position yourself correctly and move accordingly or you will die. Or the smarter thing do do is use a rifle which completely counters the DBS, just adapt. I myself haven't used the DBS once and I destroy anyone who does simple by using my rifle.

[AlphaLieutenant]

I've died by the DBS, but it's not hard to deal with someone who uses it.... Really not overpowered as some of you are saying.

[Fee$nom]

The downing range with the SO was replaced with gibbing range. Tbh id rather be downed

So now its all or nothing and kids still aren't happy.

[CLEANSH0T]

I hate the SO. Its so cheesy. And I refuse to use it just to get an advantage. I know if I use it, I'll get more kills and help my team but I'm so against the gun that I won't do it. I truly hate it.

[Paradoxed]

So now its all or nothing and kids still aren't happy.
People still hate it because the "All" in the all or nothing is too great. It's an unbalanced weapon that harms the game, and even breaks certain game types, like Wingman.

[Paragon Fury]

Honestly if the DBS was a map pick-up like the Gorgon or Boltok are for the Pistols, I'd have absolutely no complaints about it.

But just giving it to people off the start is a little much.

[ZiggyFenix]

I remember seeing an interview with Cliff and Rod before the beta, to which they said about the Sawn off "If your not in melee distance, your not close enough"
Well, they seem to have completely change their mind about that. I love gears 3, it is the best game in the series. But this is getting out of hand, gib's from out of gnasher range because of the huge nerf they put on the gnasher. Execution becoming UNPLAYABLE. EPIC needs to see this isn't what gears should be. If they would reduce the range of gibbing/downing. I'd be content. an alternative would be to make it a pick up weapon.

[Atomebendr]

I hate the SO. Its so cheesy. And I refuse to use it just to get an advantage. I know if I use it, I'll get more kills and help my team but I'm so against the gun that I won't do it. I truly hate it.

Then enjoy having 49/50 achievements.

[Paragon Fury]

I remember seeing an interview with Cliff and Rod before the beta, to which they said about the Sawn off "If your not in melee distance, your not close enough"
Well, they seem to have completely change their mind about that. I love gears 3, it is the best game in the series. But this is getting out of hand, gib's from out of gnasher range because of the huge nerf they put on the gnasher. Execution becoming UNPLAYABLE. EPIC needs to see this isn't what gears should be. If they would reduce the range of gibbing/downing. I'd be content. an alternative would be to make it a pick up weapon.

Didn't they also say in an interview that the DBS was being specifically designed for people who weren't good at the first two Gears games?

[-=Reclaimer=-]

Funny. Right as I read this title of this thread I rolled my eyes and said "sawed-off..." but wasn't really expecting this article to be about it. The multiplayer would be 10 times better without the sawed-off.

I feel the worst map with it is gridlock. I've been camp killed by the Sawed off more times on that map than any. People just lurk and camp and wait for some poor soul to stroll by.

[Mr. Game & Watch]

I second this thread!

[Hesitasian]

VERY annoying when someone runs up to you with the DBS, shoots a shot and if he misses it, runs behind a wall to camp. The first game i play the entire other team does this.

[x1Poteven1x]

You shouldn't be able to fire the DBS in hipfire, it should be like the oneshot with a small minimum aiming time. When people use the DBS, they ALWAYS hipfire because the spread is SOO huge that it gives nothing to aim, so it become an OP/skill-less/noob gun. If they were obligated to aim, it would be more balance because you have to sacrfice your mobility for one shot kill and it would give a small chance to get out of the DBS's way.

[Nevermind1982]

I LOVE the Sawm-off, don't touch it!

[ALIENWAR3]

I never played the beta, but as for the sawn-off it's fine, leave it as it is, I was using it a majority of the evening yesterday, and I was getting just as many kills than I was being killed by gnashers, I attempted to shoot someone from a good 5 - 10ft and it never reached, unless your on top of someone or in their back pocket you cannot get a kill.

Deal with it, It's fine, you would not be complaining if you were any good at using the sawn - off.

I'll enjoy demolishing bodies with my sawn-off tonight.

[BLACKOUT 9781]

You can kill someone with a single sawed-off shot at a further distance than you can kill someone with a single gnasher shot. That's obviously a problem.

Not true at all.

[TestTest]

I never played the beta, but as for the sawn-off it's fine, leave it as it is, I was using it a majority of the evening yesterday, and I was getting just as many kills than I was being killed by gnashers, I attempted to shoot someone from a good 5 - 10ft and it never reached, unless your on top of someone or in their back pocket you cannot get a kill.
That's because you're not that good.



Deal with it, It's fine, you would not be complaining if you were any good at using the sawn - off.
There's no being good with the SOS/DBS. There's no skill involved in it whatsoever.

[II Rave]

It seems worse than it was in the beta, by far. I personally think the sawed off should be a pick up weapon like the boltok or gorgon. Don't make it a power weapon exactly, just a pickup weapon to limit there numbers.

2 at each spawn would be brilliant

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[blackdwarf]

i don't have a problem at al with the sawed-off. sure i get killed by it, but that happens because i make a mistake or because that the player who wears it, is really good at closing the distance between us. if i see one runnign to me wih the gun, i slow it with a rifle, is that isn't possible for some reason, i flee the other way, to make distance. that is adapting to the situation and that is how you fight against players with the sawed-off.

[TestTest]

One of two things need to happen

The best solution:

Decrease the ~160 degree horizontal spread to ~100-110



An alright solution:

Have a delay that you can't shoot the SOS after rolling/roading running for half a second


Sadly nothing will happen because the weapon was introduced for the casual players (i.e. bad players) because it takes no effort, no aim, nada to use and perform well.

[Bio7ics]

One of two things need to happen

The best solution:

Decrease the ~160 degree horizontal spread to ~100-110



An alright solution:

Have a delay that you can't shoot the SOS after rolling/roading running for half a second


Sadly nothing will happen because the weapon was introduced for the casual players (i.e. bad players) because it takes no effort, no aim, nada to use and perform well.Bingo and it sickens me when someone literally says there is nothing wrong with this gun. They simply didn't stand a chance in Gears Of War 2.

[Schwarzeis]

At least its SOMETHING.

I wish I chose the psychology major just to see why people complain.

When people feel like something is what it should not be according to themselves they will state their opinion/s about said thing

*bam* no need for a major there :p

But all in all.. I haven't noticed this, is this range increase true?