Sawed Off still downs, whats with the "man up" rule..also...

[Polak Toma]

Ok it was stated by Epic that the Sawed Off would no longer "down" an undamaged enemy, it would either get a kill or do damage but not just instant down but from what Ive read and seen the Sawed Off is STILL downing people who are undamaged.

Second, why is there now a "man up" rule? Now whoever has the most people alive there is no stalemate, they get the win? This just promotes insane camping, people are going to loose a guy and then grab what power weapons they can and camp the round out at an attempt to win.

Third, why change Execution and Warzone to 3 rounds? Epic STATED that they would return UNTOUCHED, yet they reduced the rounds to only 3?! It was already fast enough as it was at 5, also it completely negates having weapons swap. It feels like they are forcing people to go play TDM

[NFI]

This thread was just deleted in the General Gears 3 forum, why did you make another identical post? It got deleted for a reason.

[Polak Toma]

The reason it was deleted was for "insulting other members", please show me where I insulted other members?!

[NFI]

The thread is gone I cant do that. However it doesnt matter, these threads become flame wars, so this will probably get the axe too.

[Polak Toma]

I'am simply stating FACTS not trying to start flame wars! I just want to make it known so it can get changed

[NFI]

I am not arguing either way. But making a post on this forum is not going to accomplish much at this point, especially since the games not out yet. However these are polarizing topics, it is going to end up in arguments.

[james288gto]

Downs if you already have damage. Haven't noticed it downing without damage.

[Polak Toma]

Ughhh sadface...Iam just scared now I was beyond hyped for this game, I can live with the Sawed off, but the man up rule and the rounds being lowered to 3 I simply can not >_< ugh so sad now

[IDeadWork]

epic did state that execution/warzone would return untouched. kinda shady.

im on their side a lot but i have a problem with what they did to the most original gametypes.

[Polak Toma]

Yes I agree!!!

[Jph93]

I will always love gears, but EPIC did certainly mess up a good thing with the "man-up" rule that you reference. I dont care much about the reduction to three rounds, but I can pretty much GUARANTEE that a second or third title update will get rid of this no-stalemate thing once enough people realize how much it changes the gametype.

[NicodemusX0]

They need to fix this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9e5Ayc4P9Q
4:11 (GUY WAS NOT HURT) GETS DOWNED

[The Medic]

Yeah the Sawed Off definitely still downs.

[CharlieSpleen]

Wait until TU1 is actually released. The sawed off fix was announced after the game went gold.

As for changing the round from 5 to 3 I agree it was a bad decision on the part of Epic. As someone who mainly plays Annex 3 rounds for an elimination gametype with only 1 life is to short. People want to spend time in a match not searching for one.

The stalemate rule is sure to be abused and I wouldn't be surprised if a future TU1 update fixes it.

[Polak Toma]

Well Title Update 1 came out yesterday, I havent seen any new videos or know anyone with the game to see if it was changed.

But the man up and 3 round stuff has GOT to go, I mean a good team in ranked will always be searching because they will steamroll the other team and bam be back in a lobby

[tre bomber]

quit crying, ever heard of patches and updates? Its not like they are going to release the game and then just ignore it

[Cuttooth]

Reducing the rounds doesn't make much sense, and I don't really have an opinion on the "Man-up" rule until I play a few games and see if it actually affects gameplay.

As for the sawed-off, at least play the game before you start complaining about the downing power.

[one hard hitta]

hey if your close enough when it gets shot you should be downed if its not enough damage to kill you....every other weapon downs you...why wouldnt the sawed off

[one hard hitta]

the 3 round thing is kinda wack cause i know sometimes people dont start to make a comeback until the 3rd round so this would be interesting.

[Polak Toma]

quit crying, ever heard of patches and updates? Its not like they are going to release the game and then just ignore it

Why is it anytime someone trys to bring up anything these days its instantly "crying". We are simply bringing the facts to light and if you dont start doing it now, then it will take forever or never get fixed.

[Polak Toma]

hey if your close enough when it gets shot you should be downed if its not enough damage to kill you....every other weapon downs you...why wouldnt the sawed off

Because you have to AIM other weapons, not simply get near someone and click the trigger, half the time you dont even need to be facing them directly just be near them click the blind hip fire trigger and get a down or kill? No, if they are close enough to you to kill you thats fine, but getting a down isnt right.

[IDeadWork]

Because you have to AIM other weapons, not simply get near someone and click the trigger, half the time you dont even need to be facing them directly just be near them click the blind hip fire trigger and get a down or kill? No, if they are close enough to you to kill you thats fine, but getting a down isnt right.

you dont have to aim with gnasher...you can blindfire aimlessly and get multikills. there was an entire youtube video comparing the two weapons and not having to aim was a big one...cant seem to find it.

i also know that you dont have to aim from personal experience using the gnasher a great deal it the beta. its a far superior weapon. dbs argument is flawed

only thing i heard that i kinda understand it "why" put it in .... my version to an answer for this is "variety"

[BgBuckinChicken]

you dont have to aim with gnasher...you can blindfire aimlessly and get multikills. there was an entire youtube video comparing the two weapons and not having to aim was a big one...cant seem to find it.

i also know that you dont have to aim from personal experience using the gnasher a great deal it the beta. its a far superior weapon. dbs argument is flawed

only thing i heard that i kinda understand it "why" put it in .... my version to an answer for this is "variety"You do have to aim with the gnasher if you want to beat good players. Just because some one is shooting from the hip doesnt mean they arent aiming. The DBS requires no skill whatsoever. It has such a huge spread it is impossible to miss if the person is in front of you. To prove a point I exclusively used the sawed off for 3 games and got over 80 kills with it. All I did was run up and pull the trigger. I never aimed with it and I still got a ridiculous amount of kills.

[IDeadWork]

You do have to aim with the gnasher if you want to beat good players. Just because some one is shooting from the hip doesnt mean they arent aiming. The DBS requires no skill whatsoever. It has such a huge spread it is impossible to miss if the person is in front of you. To prove a point I exclusively used the sawed off for 3 games and got over 80 kills with it. All I did was run up and pull the trigger. I never aimed with it and I still got a ridiculous amount of kills.

I can not aim with Gnasher and get kills easily. When you play a stacked team and use your DBS. You are going to fail with it and resort back to Gnasher. I promise.

Play my team with your best 4 or 5 and SHOW ME how easy the DBS is to use....please. Because I rarely died str8 on ...most of my death from it was behind and I play execution so behind kills are less likely then respawn.

[Coleyman]

Man-up Rule was an unnecessary change that will encourage camping, making it impossible for the lesser team to win.

Warzone/Execution should have stayed 5 rounds. There was no reason to change it.

Tut tut, Epic. I thought you said Warzone/Execution would remain untouched? :rolleyes:

SO should not down. Epic said it no longer does, but we've seen that it does.

[Polak Toma]

Its like they want to force us into playing TDM to play with all the casuals and new players but they are just going to get wrecked like in the Beta. When they didint put Exec/War into the beta it was ok because they said it was returning "untouched",3 rounds is just soooo fast, were going to be bouncing from map to map or waiting in ranked lobbies searching allll the time

[iDrama360]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzBPcavSSsI

Look at the first kill, what the ****?

[MATUREX]

Why is it anytime someone trys to bring up anything these days its instantly "crying". We are simply bringing the facts to light and if you dont start doing it now, then it will take forever or never get fixed.

Don't he sound like someone we already know here?

The quote referrer

[IDeadWork]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzBPcavSSsI

Look at the first kill, what the ****?

Ok the weapon has a circular spread...but it doesn't go far. When compared to the Gnasher its literally balanced.

You can look at this weapon by itself or you can look at both shotguns and compare

[A CANADIAN]

Any shotgun should have a range where it gets an instant down. If it can instantly blow you to kingdom come, then it should have a range at which it can get a down. Surely. Then there will be a range where it will only inflict damage. Seems fine to me. As long as the shotgun to the face, chest or back (close range) gives me a kill, I'll be happy.

[Polak Toma]

You dont get it, you have to at LEAST aim the Gnasher to get a down or kill, the Sawed off takes NO AIMING simply ALMOST face the direction and be somewhat close and then boom hip fire you get rewarded for nothing.

[Polak Toma]

Iam so sad now :(

[Baroni 88]

Ok it was stated by Epic that the Sawed Off would no longer "down" an undamaged enemy, it would either get a kill or do damage but not just instant down but from what Ive read and seen the Sawed Off is STILL downing people who are undamaged.

Second, why is there now a "man up" rule? Now whoever has the most people alive there is no stalemate, they get the win? This just promotes insane camping, people are going to loose a guy and then grab what power weapons they can and camp the round out at an attempt to win.

Third, why change Execution and Warzone to 3 rounds? Epic STATED that they would return UNTOUCHED, yet they reduced the rounds to only 3?! It was already fast enough as it was at 5, also it completely negates having weapons swap. It feels like they are forcing people to go play TDM

It may promote camping, but it will also make the team with less people go out and hunt. I don't think there is anything wrong with the sawed off downing or the "man-up" rule.

[oMazeo]

It feels like they are forcing people to go play TDM

glad im not the only to feel this way

[Polak Toma]

Go out and hunt? You mean run in to grenade traps and die faster? Your going to have a team grab the power weapons get a kill or two and then bam go camp and wait for the stragglers to show up or if they dont, bam they still win cause they got a kill or two.

Pls watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzBPcavSSsI

If you still think the sawed off is fine.....

[Polak Toma]

Oh I guess now after TU1 the sawed off no longer downs but you can still kill a person without aiming at them

[Baroni 88]

lets put it this way, if a team has more people alive, I think they deserve to win. It only makes sense that the team with more people at the end of the match should win the game, regardless of power weapons or frag grenades. There is nothing equal about a 2v1 ending.

[Polak Toma]

How is that fair?! Because one of your guys died on accident you should loose because of that? Come on thats not right at all

[Baroni 88]

Go out and hunt? You mean run in to grenade traps and die faster? Your going to have a team grab the power weapons get a kill or two and then bam go camp and wait for the stragglers to show up or if they dont, bam they still win cause they got a kill or two.

Pls watch this video
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zzBPcavSSsI

If you still think the sawed off is fine.....

Sawed-off changed in update.

[Baroni 88]

How is that fair?! Because one of your guys died on accident you should loose because of that? Come on thats not right at all

What??? How is that an argument??? If your guy dies on "accident", that's his fault. HE just lost the game for you. That's all there is to it. If it started out as 2v2 and one of your guys dies, and the match ends, it's fair to say the opposing team gets the victory. It would make sense to stalemate if both teams had an equal number of players. Come on guys.

[Polak Toma]

Dude your getting outta hand here now, having ONE person on your team die should not mean AUTO win for other team, you know there is a ribbon in this game called "clutch" for a reason right? Have you even played Gears of War before? Have you not seen someone get down to ONE guy left on the team and he goes and kills everyone on the opposite?

[Polak Toma]

Sawed-off changed in update.

Like I posted yes it no longer downs, so you can CONFIRM for me that it wont get a kill like the ones in the video where the guy isnt even looking at the enemy?

[Baroni 88]

Dude your getting outta hand here now, having ONE person on your team die should not mean AUTO win for other team, you know there is a ribbon in this game called "clutch" for a reason right? Have you even played Gears of War before? Have you not seen someone get down to ONE guy left on the team and he goes and kills everyone on the opposite?

NOt sure who you are talking to, but, how does that sound logical to you? if you are going 2v2 and a guy dies, how does that not make sense for the other team to win. If that 1 GUY goes out and kills the remaining 2 on the other team, then ya, obviously he should get the win, OR, if he kills one guy and the game ends, it would make sense to end in a stalemate. I'm not sure how there can be any confusion there. That seems like common sense. I have played plenty of GoW1 and 2 to know that this is a good addition that actually makes sense. I'm not trying to attack anyone here, I just want to show a logical side to this.

[IDeadWork]

What??? How is that an argument??? If your guy dies on "accident", that's his fault. HE just lost the game for you. That's all there is to it. If it started out as 2v2 and one of your guys dies, and the match ends, it's fair to say the opposing team gets the victory. It would make sense to stalemate if both teams had an equal number of players. Come on guys.

Ok maybe your looking at it from a CASUAL standpoint bro. If you have 5v5 of two beast teams. ...being down 5-3 in numbers is a BIG DEAL ... Clutching in really competitive games is very rare.

I'm not talking about a bunch of randoms playing against one another...think of it in terms of two very good stacked parties. Man up rule will be a disaster in those games.

[sloppybottomz]

Execution warzone should have been left alone

[IDeadWork]

Execution warzone should have been left alone

Yes I agree. Honestly I feel like it's going to be changed back to 5 rounds and man up rule will be removed. I haven't seen much love for it and it's not like anyone is asking for anything special.

We just want our gametype.

[Polak Toma]

Thanks for the support guys, yah this is my biggest concern now I REALLY hope they put the rounds back to 5 and fix the man up stuff

[Afro Zombie]

If enough people are no longer playing those 2 game types, I bet they will change it back to the original 5 round type. But the "man up" rule is to prevent the last man of a team from camping while the other team has to find him. It made it very annoying, especially when they glitched out of a map, ran away constantly, or stalled with grenades.

[KRiMeZ]

Sawed-off changed in update.


is this for sure CONFIRMED? Has TU1 addressed it or not?

[E.M]

Ughhh sadface...Iam just scared now I was beyond hyped for this game, I can live with the Sawed off, but the man up rule and the rounds being lowered to 3 I simply can not >_< ugh so sad now

?? Get over it and play something else. Nothing to get sad about. At least you have the game.

[Fl4m3rX]

is this for sure CONFIRMED? Has TU1 addressed it or not?
Yes, I can definitely confirm this! No more insta downing with the Sawed Off! :)

[KRiMeZ]

Thank you. What else has changed?

[Fl4m3rX]

Thank you. What else has changed?
No very much, it seems that a lot of things I noticed pre TU1 are still in. :(

Oh, and the Sawed Off reticule is now only a dot.


Another great thing: The Mantle Kick angle has been reduced by miles! :)

[KRiMeZ]

No very much, it seems that a lot of things I noticed pre TU1 are still in. :(

Oh, and the Sawed Off reticule is now only a dot.


Another great thing: The Mantle Kick angle has been reduced by miles! :)


woah that sounds really good. why do you sound dissapointed? what else is wrong

[GST]

I just hope Epic supports their game faster than Gears 2. Epic already broke a few promises.

[gow3booyeah]

The rule says Man up... I think the rule is staying lol

Sawed-off, I don't care... I thought it was balanced

I don't play Warzone/Execution much so I have no opinion.

[lTK 420l]

They need to fix this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9e5Ayc4P9Q
4:11 (GUY WAS NOT HURT) GETS DOWNED
looks like a gnasher
notice how he didnt reload afterwards

[Punk Grenadier]

I thought untouched meant that the gametypes would play the same as the did before Gears 3. I didn't know untouched meant decreasing the rounds and adding a rule that promotes camping. Man do I feel stupid.

I just have one thing to say to Epic. Seriously?

[Nevermind1982]

Sawn-off is great weapon! It was made for me (watch out), and the man-up rule is for the brave (I like it) and 3 Rounds of Execution/Warzone is BEAST!!