Is this going to be Gnashers of War 3.0, or will other weapons be remotely viable?

[Lthardcore]

let me preface this by saying that I've been playing sense the beginning of gears of war 1 and am perfectly capable of wall bouncing with the best of them, and i LOVE my Gnasher

Edit
***** I DID NOT PLAY BETA*****
But this isn't really about Beta, its about long term retail viabality

Heck i even think a Gnashers only play list would be okay to have, id even play it occasionally ,

BUT...

As we all know in gears 1 and gears 2, unless to were roadie running instead of wall bouncing as intended, gnashers players were practically immune to rifle rounds, i mean seriously if a 1v1 rifle man downed you as a gnasher players, KILL YOURSELF i seriously don't think that has even happened to me in my entire gears of war 2 career, if it has its extraordinarily rare, that's because...

Point Blank- Gnasher wins point blank every time as a butterfly could land on you with your chainsaw out and not only does it lower BUT YOU STUMBLE TWICE, seriously Epic? oh and you don't even have to have a chainsaw out, if your holding a lancer and you get hit with any damage no matter how small, not even bullets necessarily, and you just start randomly stumbling if you try and chainsaw, its flat out ridiculous. its like epic is terrified that if anything even remotely competes with the Gnasher, Gears of War is dead.

Close Range- obviously the Gnasher is king, as it should be no problems

Medium Range- this is the seriously flat out retard aspect of the Game design but never the less is true. Shot guns are WAY better fighting cover to cover, even when its pretty spaced out. Only at the longest ranges is the lancer/hammer is worth equipping and even still only as a support role to your teams Gnasher Bouncers

Now i know epic said that this time it would be different BUT, even in the beta, with Gnashers outweighing ALL other weapon related kills combined, They are already on the Nerf train. and the game isn't even out yet. my guess after patch 3.2 all other weapons will have been slowly but surely nerfed into oblivion, And by the sounds of it, you all want epic to do that, and make sure that the player has to REALLY give an honest effort to be killed as a Gnasher player by a non-gnasher starter weapon,

WHY? i know the Gnasher is fun but come on, just go play gears 1 or gears 2 if you want to click right on the D-pad the second the game starts and never look back

What i really hope is the Epic doesn't cave and re-Nerf in chainsaw back into oblivion, make the rifles shoot rubber bullets, and totally phase out the S/O to the point where it no longer should be in the game. Because invariable in both Gnashers 1 and 2. Every title update was a progressive Nerf on all weapons save the Gnasher,

[AndyXTheXGamer]

I kill Gnasher rushers with my Lancer in gears 2 all the time.

[Lthardcore]

yeah so do i, its like winning a Darwin award though, because if they are bouncing properly and move cover to cover, forget it.

[mulletmann21]

Every weapon was a viable option in the beta at least for me.

[Super Vegito]

The Gnasher is still going to be used a lot but with the Retro Lancer, the SO, and the buffed Lancer/ Hammerburst it's going to be hard for Gnasher users to ONLY use that one weapon.

[LigHt116]

The Gnasher is still going to be used a lot but with the Retro Lancer, the SO, and the buffed Lancer/ Hammerburst it's going to be hard for Gnasher users to ONLY use that one weapon.

I agree with this guy..well put.

[DefiantNoble]

I believe that at first, the game will be diverse with all sorts of weapons but eventually, the gam will inevitably return to gnashers as a main weapon but with just a little diversity. :(

[TaoTang]

Teamwork > Gnasher!

Yes there will be plenty of viable options against the gnasher, but you might need to use it yourself sometimes so don't just ban yourself from the weapon.

[NFI]

I believe that at first, the game will be diverse with all sorts of weapons but eventually, the gam will inevitably return to gnashers as a main weapon but with just a little diversity. :(

Not this time. The rifles are too effective now, you have to be multifaceted and able to use both rifle and shotty now.

[NFI]

The gnasher no long has TU6 range, and with the Rifles really being effective now this Gears will play differently than the first 2. Some people will only use the Gnasher and do it very well, but now it is not the only option.

[Nevermind1982]

If Gears 3 becomes a Gnasher fest, it would be so boring to play. I hope not.

[Undead Paradox]

The Gnasher is still going to be used a lot but with the Retro Lancer, the SO, and the buffed Lancer/ Hammerburst it's going to be hard for Gnasher users to ONLY use that one weapon.

Pretty much everything this guy said.

Stats don't lie, the Gnasher will always be the most used gun, but I saw a dramatic change in everyone's play style during the beta. People actually used the other guns. A lot.

So don't fret, OP, trust me.

[Crazynut84]

itwill start out fine then slowly epic will cave too the gnasher hordes nerf everthing into the ground that competes with it

[PureFunkayy]

No doubt the Gnasher will dominate, But it's not the most necessary weapon in my eye, I do use my lancer when needed, plus people tend to swap their shotguns for the power weapons sometimes.

[AHal]

All of the weapons are quite balanced and good in Gears of War 3. It is no longer Gnashers only.

[IDeadWork]

I go back to gears 1 and pull out my lancer... Usually means the person I down instantly quits, the host removes me, or I get a hate mail saying I'm a "BK because I used my lancer".

Gears 1 purists community is on this high horse that they are this elite player above all. News flash...they aren't. They are some of the most one dimensional bad players in the entire community. Sniper actives...CQC shot gun. That's the beginning and the end of most of thier skills...I can teach anyone to do that effectively in about 2 hours.

[Kuronishen]

I go back to gears 1 and pull out my lancer... Usually means the person I down instantly quits, the host removes me, or I get a hate mail saying I'm a "BK because I used my lancer".

Gears 1 purists community is on this high horse that they are this elite player above all. News flash...they aren't. They are some of the most one dimensional bad players in the entire community. Sniper actives...CQC shot gun. That's the beginning and the end of most of thier skills...I can teach anyone to do that effectively in about 2 hours.

That's because if you use anything other than the gnasher, you are a scrandy BK. End of story.

[Fee$nom]

Why ask the question when you already knew the answer?

[The Necromancer]

I kill Gnasher rushers with my Lancer in gears 2 all the time.

I do this in Gears 1 a lot as well(though much more difficult than it should be, in my opinion). I use the hammerburst in Gears 2 for the most part.

[The Necromancer]

I go back to gears 1 and pull out my lancer... Usually means the person I down instantly quits, the host removes me, or I get a hate mail saying I'm a "BK because I used my lancer".

Gears 1 purists community is on this high horse that they are this elite player above all. News flash...they aren't. They are some of the most one dimensional bad players in the entire community. Sniper actives...CQC shot gun. That's the beginning and the end of most of thier skills...I can teach anyone to do that effectively in about 2 hours.

Same, I've got this kind of mail for killing with everything(even blind fire headshots with the gnasher), though I wasn't called a bk or whatever. I've been called a scrub, and a cheater for it plenty of times.

[ActaBunniFooFoo]

What i saw in the beta the Gnasher is still king but the range of effectiveness has been lessend. If they enemy got a good 10 to 15 paces ahead of you its almost useless. It might put damage on the enemy but its not as dramatic as it was in Gears 1 and 2. And there will be Gnasher only users out there but depending who there up against the outcome will vary. Thats my opinion anyway.

[Nerf The Bayonet]

You spawn at a distance from your opponents. If you let a Gnasher user get close enough to you that they have the advantage, you're doing it wrong. Seriously, I heard people whining about this in-game in the Beta, when they immediately ran for the most CQC areas off spawn. This isn't CoD, you don't insta-die if an opponent sees you from halfway across the map. If you're smart enough to stay out in the open areas of the map and not let yourself get surrounded, you'll dominate with the rifles.

Obviously if you teamshoot with rifles against lone-wolf Gnasher players, you win. Gears 3 rewards teamwork hugely, take advantage of this.

[kurtfhouse]

I think the gnasher will dominate but the players who do best will always use their rifle's aswell, its amazing how many downs and damage points you can get from distance when you mix it up. Admittedly most downs from distance get 'stolen' if that bothers you.

Blood Drive on Gears 2 is a good example, the lemmings predictably rush down to the middle at the start for the torque bow or sniper and I get loads of downs/kills lancering the other team down from the top of the steps.

The retro has some good short distance stopping power so it will be interesting to see how that mixes things up.

[iDrama360]

I'll probably use the Retro Lancer but the recoil looks ridiculous.

[Crazynut84]

i don't mind CQB but when down people with it in longshot ranges thats BS i just hope epic lays of the nerf bat this time

[LigHt116]

I go back to gears 1 and pull out my lancer... Usually means the person I down instantly quits, the host removes me, or I get a hate mail saying I'm a "BK because I used my lancer".

Gears 1 purists community is on this high horse that they are this elite player above all. News flash...they aren't. They are some of the most one dimensional bad players in the entire community. Sniper actives...CQC shot gun. That's the beginning and the end of most of thier skills...I can teach anyone to do that effectively in about 2 hours.

Hasty Generalization..Nice Fallacy

[Lthardcore]

Gears of War is my number one game. I've been playing sense launch and i love the executions and even the shotgun mechanics,

But i seriously DON"T want to even equip a Gnasher for at least the first month. I've been playing with that weapon constantly for YEARS.
In Gnashers of War 2 they said they were going to fix the problems from Gnashers of War 1, and they totally failed. in some was it was even more broken.
I'm just nervous that, because they are already seek and destroy nerfing everything in sight, save the Gnasher , This is will be the dreaded final chapter of Gnashers of War. instead
of the gears of war we've always really wanted,

Save very vocal gnasher only players here on the message boards. and the MLG "Major Loser Gamers".

[EddieFenix]

I'm gonna trololololol with the Lancer/DBS combo to PISS off everyone at the start. Simply because these "u gotzta yuise da gnasher or else u bad bro" vocalist make me want the butthurt messages I KNOW I am going to get for killing them. Plus, I can drop the DBS at any time because I know the Gnasher will be on the ground MOST of the time.

[The Unshackled]

I kill Gnasher rushers with my Lancer in gears 2 all the time.
its so fun to hammerburst them down close range i get so many love messages afterwards lol

[NFI]

This wont occur in Gears 3. I found that in my time with the beta, the weapons really were map specific. The Rifles are all very good now and are quite an effective option. You no longer NEED to use the Gnasher as you have plenty of options with your load out weapons.

However depending on the map and game type, dicatates what weapons are used.

Place like Checkout you can anticipate lots of Retro and Gnashers since its it such a tight space. Old town was one where you saw a lot of rifles.

The point is you can just blindly Gnasher rush anymore, rifles are all solid weapons now and they can and will kill you. Great Gnasher players will do well, you just have to work harder now.

ALL of the weapons are viable

[IDeadWork]

Hasty Generalization..Nice Fallacy

might be generalizing ... but when i played about 50-75 matches of gears 1 in the last 4 days and i havent played 1 where someone DIDNT quit..and none of the matches were laggy...i dont find it far fetched to generalize.

[deezneezy412]

well now that the host can't just wallbounce threw lancer fire and lag will be less offten we will see how it goes...but when playing the beta i droped my nasher for a power wep and couldn't belive it so with that being said i think the change has all rdy been made...what i think is going to be funny is the amount of threads that r going to pop up when the game comes out complain about the new chainsaw...seein that u can't stop it once it's reved up

[ben1bob]

1. the chainsaw "glitch" thing wasn't present in the beta so i assume it won't be in the retail.

2. you say the Gnasher dominates at medium range. personally, i found in the beta i could beat Gnasher players at medium range fairly easy with the HB.

if you'd played the beta, you'd realise this definitely won't we "Gnasher of Wars 3".

[soap face]

I have a feeling that the retro lancer is going to be used alot more.

[AKminman]

I can't say for sure. I will say that during the beta, I did NOT switch to my gnasher as soon as I spawned.

This gives me hope, as it will lead to a more tactical game. Weapon loadouts will be very important, IMO. Map selection would change my loadout, and I can only hope this will carry over to the retail game.

[NFI]

Well AK there were no additional changes to the rifles from the beta, minus the hipfire recoil on the lancer and the dbs lights and downing. So fear not!

The guns were phenomenal in the beta and balanced, i dont suspect you will get many changes to the load out weapons. The game was designed with the Rifles being a major player, and thats how it is going to stay. I tweeted a question regarding that to Rod and asked if the rifles would remain viable in the retail version and he said that they absolutely would as that was part of their plan from the outset.

[JATT]

In my experience in Gears 2 and the beta, there has never been a wallbounce I couldn't drop with my lancer, and Ive danced with some of the nastiest wallbouncers. With that said, being able to do that did not come easily. What I do with the Lancer has been turned into a gun and it's call the Retro. With it you can lancer strafe with ease but it costs you your range.

My point is that now you don't have to be a master rifleman to drop wallbouncers. And so even though the gnasher will be the most used weapon, it won't be the absolute best anymore.

[OV3R5K1LLED]

rifles are op compared to shotguns :D

[JATT]

rifles are op compared to shotguns :D

the shotgun that can 8 people before reloading?

[OV3R5K1LLED]

the shotgun that can 8 people before reloading?

was jk but i'm serious the retro & hammerburst ARE DEADLY as F*** !!!

[NFI]

was jk but i'm serious the retro & hammerburst ARE DEADLY as F*** !!!

Not even remotely OP (I know you were joking) but they are very solid options now. The Lancer has the same damage as it had in Gears 2, but the increased connection makes it more effective. No more sponging bullets.

[AKminman]

Well AK there were no additional changes to the rifles from the beta, minus the hipfire recoil on the lancer and the dbs lights and downing. So fear not!

The guns were phenomenal in the beta and balanced, i dont suspect you will get many changes to the load out weapons. The game was designed with the Rifles being a major player, and thats how it is going to stay. I tweeted a question regarding that to Rod and asked if the rifles would remain viable in the retail version and he said that they absolutely would as that was part of their plan from the outset.


I meant change MY loadout due to the map differences. Example; Checkout: Retro/Gnasher, OldTown: Hammy/Gnasher

[xICooRsYIx]

gnasher is going to be my most used weapon again, but im definately going to have to think before running out with it in gears 3. The weapons are all revamped. And they will all compete with the gnasher.

-xICooRsYIx

[DenyThisFlesh]

All weapons will be effective. The Gnasher will always be the most used, but the other weapons will actually work correctly now so they will be able to combat the Gnasher.

[gears247]

ah, the sawed off (red mist maker) will put a big damper on gnasher ho's in close range, it's one shot and done with that thing. there's more weapon diversity in gears 3, the old rules will be modified.

[URLNE72]

You should have prefaced this thread with whether or not you have played the beta. Because in my opinion, if you did you would know how balanced it is going t be.

[deezneezy412]

Well AK there were no additional changes to the rifles from the beta, minus the hipfire recoil on the retro lancer and the dbs lights and downing. So fear not!
they added 1.5 dam to head shots with the lancer

[NFI]

they added 1.5 dam to head shots with the lancer

Lancer had that already in Gears 2. At the start of the beta the Lancer was weaker than the one found in Gears 2. They merely brought it back up to speed with the Gears 2 Lancer.

Not to mention this return to form was done during the beta, not after, which is why my post implied.


Regardless, the 1.5 headshot multiplier already existed on the Lancer in gears 2. This was stated and confirmed by Mr. Delhoyo right here on the forums.

[eth-meth]

If the beta was any indication, this will certainly not be a Gnasher fest. I can assure you that.

[BLACKOUT in HDV]

I kill Gnasher rushers with my Lancer in gears 2 all the time.

I think tis gy may have a severe lag issue. I kill people all the time with my lancer..just as much with my gnasher as well

[tre bomber]

in the beta the rifles worked for me, found i was using the gnasher less, but we shall see

[Crazynut84]

as i said before it start out fine them turn into gnashers of war again

[Ave383]

I recall a time when Chainsawers were invincible in gears 2.The ran straight threw shotguns and chain sawed the hell out you. Shot guns point blank don't always when because there is a bug in gears 2 that when the gun is in the collision box it doesn't detect the hit.But if the beta is anything like the game you will not be easily running around with the shot gun.Non of the rifles can be taken as a joke and they make you use cover as intended.

[MiniPistolTroika]

Just play the game and who cares what other ppl do

[IDeadWork]

Just play the game and who cares what other ppl do

exactly. THIS

unless of course ppl are cheating or glitching...everyone should stop trying to alter the game to compliment the style they prefer. the game is great.