You know what? 5600 DPI is exponentially better than 400.

[Gameslaya]

So, I never really thought that I needed a "gaming mouse" to play UT3. Just a bunch of fancy buttons, right?

WRONG. The difference is as clear as night and day. I cannot believe I have been stupid enough to believe that my cheap-ass dell mouse will be sufficient.

Needless to say, playing against Godlike bots has never been any easier. Goodbye, Masterful bots! You won't be missed. :D

[demoniac]

Play against people. This is way more fun.

[rek]

i'm not entirely sure my gaming mouse has improved my game, but i think it has.
probably some kind of placebo effect.

[[GOW] K1lla]

a good gaming mouse will definitely help your game.

be sure to disable all mouse acceleration and set the report rate (or polling rate) as high as it will go.

you can also bind all those "fancy buttons" to weapons... which is a huge help. ;)

[Random54]

i'm not entirely sure my gaming mouse has improved my game, but i think it has.
probably some kind of placebo effect.

It's more than just some kind of placebo effect.

Gaming grade mice aren't just about DPI. DPI is important as you can have a 1:1 mouse input at the sensitivity you want. That said at a certain DPI it all becomes rather pointless.

Reduced input lag is another important feature for a gaming grade mouse. 1000hz (1ms response) Report rate/polling as opposed to 125hz (8ms response) with standard mice. If your mouse doesn't have improved polling then it's not really game grade.

Reduced lift off distance. Picking up a standard mouse can have issues where the mouse keeps tracking as u lift it off the pad. This results in drift before you can put the mouse back down and start aiming again. A good gaming grade mouse stops tracking sooner when picked up so you get less drift. The result is faster more accurate aim when you run out of room on your mouse surface.

Gaming mice generally also have less friction between them and your surface. With a gaming grade surface the mouse should glide with very little friction making your responses that much quicker.

It's common sense really that a product made for gaming would work better than a cheap mouse made to be given away with a new computer purchase.

[Gameslaya]

Play against people. This is way more fun.

I agree, but living in Alaska, I have the worst lag possible. It's no fun when I'm only limited to the Impact Hammer and Flak Cannon!

[Gameslaya]

It's more than just some kind of placebo effect.

Gaming grade mice aren't just about DPI. DPI is important as you can have a 1:1 mouse input at the sensitivity you want. That said at a certain DPI it all becomes rather pointless.

Reduced input lag is another important feature for a gaming grade mouse. 1000hz (1ms response) Report rate/polling as opposed to 125hz (8ms response) with standard mice. If your mouse doesn't have improved polling then it's not really game grade.

Reduced lift off distance. Picking up a standard mouse can have issues where the mouse keeps tracking as u lift it off the pad. This results in drift before you can put the mouse back down and start aiming again. A good gaming grade mouse stops tracking sooner when picked up so you get less drift. The result is faster more accurate aim when you run out of room on your mouse surface.

Gaming mice generally also have less friction between them and your surface. With a gaming grade surface the mouse should glide with very little friction making your responses that much quicker.

It's common sense really that a product made for gaming would work better than a cheap mouse made to be given away with a new computer purchase.

Does windows automatically lock polling rates at 8 ms by default? How to I check/change my polling rate just in case?

Anyway, I'm also wondering if I need a mousepad. As of right now, my mouse works perfectly on my desk, but I'm worried that the slider pads will wear out.

[coolcat22]

i use no mouse pad and my slider pads are oke just clean them often
or the mouse will slide bad
love my English typing

[Sly.]

I don't need a new mouse. Have a Steelseries mousepad. That's enough. My mouse is very cheap (it's now a couple of years old -I think already 4) and I don't want to waste my money. Is it really that good? I can't believe it.

[Gameslaya]

I don't need a new mouse. Have a Steelseries mousepad. That's enough. My mouse is very cheap (it's now a couple of years old -I think already 4) and I don't want to waste my money. Is it really that good? I can't believe it.

Compared to my last mouse, (which is the cheapest USB dell you can find in a bargain bin), shock combos have never been any easier. I'm almost 50% better in the aiming department, and I haven't even gotten used to this mouse yet.

If you have a non-gaming mouse, I definitely recommend an upgrade- I used to think that a any old cheap mouse can do. But, if you have a gaming mouse from about 4 years ago, I think it'll still be fine. As Random54 said, after a certain DPI you should be fine, I think. (2000 DPI is the minimum, imo).

Anyway, if shock combos require a struggle, then yeah, it's probably your mouse if you've been playing UT for years.

[Sly.]

It's not even a gaming mouse. It's just cheap USB mouse from a (at least in other countries) unknown company. But it always did a great job and I really got used to it. Mice nowadays have such a strange shape... I just can't get used to it.

[Gameslaya]

It's not even a gaming mouse. It's just cheap USB mouse from a (at least in other countries) unknown company. But it always did a great job and I really got used to it. Mice nowadays have such a strange shape... I just can't get used to it.

Yup, you're gonna want to at least try someone else's gaming mouse.

Just make sure you turn off "pointer precision" under mouse options in windows, disable turn acceleration in game, and set the DPI high and the sensitivity relatively low. Otherwise the gaming mouse will feel too weird, and you might not give it much of a chance. :rolleyes:

[Sly.]

Thanks for your tips. I'll try it out at a friend's PC :D He has a gaming mouse afaIk.

[DrUnKenSTeiN]

Thanks for your tips. I'll try it out at a friend's PC :D He has a gaming mouse afaIk.


You need some days to get used to a new mouse . Trying it at your friends house wont help much imo .

Get a decent gaming mouse and a decent mouse pad and post after a week playing . Also search this forum . I remember some threads about gaming mice and what experienced ut3 players use/recommend etc.

[Sly.]

A gaming mouse pad is no big deal. I have one already (Steelseries, a mousepad which is used by many German FPS clans and got a good rating -oh and did I already say how awesome it is? :D) since my old one was just way too damaged (=REALLY not useable) lol
What concerns the gaming mouse, I think my brother had one. I should ask him :rolleyes:
If I like the feeling of such a gaming mouse I'll buy one.

[hypno]

A good mousepad (cloth for example), mx500 series or ms 3.0 that are 400dpi are way better than 3402340328dpi's mouses, you just need to be sure to have at least 250/500hz so it gets smoother. I've been using the MX510 for ages and its a great mouse, and I've heard MX500 was even better, with awesome performances with 1000hz. Logitech MX300 was also awesome.

[azurescorch]

So, I never really thought that I needed a "gaming mouse" to play UT3. Just a bunch of fancy buttons, right?

WRONG. The difference is as clear as night and day. I cannot believe I have been stupid enough to believe that my cheap-ass dell mouse will be sufficient.

Needless to say, playing against Godlike bots has never been any easier. Goodbye, Masterful bots! You won't be missed. :D

Better hardware in general helps too.

I use to play this game in 800x600 :| Needless to say I couldn't kill ****.

Enjoy your gaming mouse. I'm going to sit here and be all jealous now. :mad:

[DrUnKenSTeiN]

A gaming mouse pad is no big deal. I have one already (Steelseries, a mousepad which is used by many German FPS clans and got a good rating -oh and did I already say how awesome it is? :D) since my old one was just way too damaged (=REALLY not useable) lol
What concerns the gaming mouse, I think my brother had one. I should ask him :rolleyes:
If I like the feeling of such a gaming mouse I'll buy one.

I have a steelseries QcK pad and i was very happy with it till i got the razer destructor (hard surface pad ,took me some days to get used to it but atm i love it).

Not any gaming mouse will be good for any player imo . Find one that fits your hand and the way u are used to hold your mouse (palm on mouse or fingers only ) . Transitioning from the logitech mx518(palm on mouse) to the logitech g9 (finger grip) took me a while . When my g9 went for rma getting used again with the 518 was a b*tch.

Some gaming mice in the market have adjustable weight too(depends on how you want it) . The positioning of the weights in the mouse helps with the balance it has in your hand. I use 7gr in the bottom right slot of my g9 and 4 gr in the upper left slot. If i change the position n keep the weight the same it feels much different. Having the ability to customize the above is a plus imo.

[Gameslaya]

Better hardware in general helps too.

I use to play this game in 800x600 :| Needless to say I couldn't kill ****.

Enjoy your gaming mouse. I'm going to sit here and be all jealous now. :mad:

Actually, my FPS is so bad that I can pretty much only play on HOLP maps. :(

I'm too arrogant to go down to 800x600 though, even though it might help my FPS. I did try it once, but it looked so bad I thought it wasn't even worth it.

[Gameslaya]

I have a steelseries QcK pad and i was very happy with it till i got the razer destructor (hard surface pad ,took me some days to get used to it but atm i love it).

Not any gaming mouse will be good for any player imo . Find one that fits your hand and the way u are used to hold your mouse (palm on mouse or fingers only ) . Transitioning from the logitech mx518(palm on mouse) to the logitech g9 (finger grip) took me a while . When my g9 went for rma getting used again with the 518 was a b*tch.

Some gaming mice in the market have adjustable weight too(depends on how you want it) . The positioning of the weights in the mouse helps with the balance it has in your hand. I use 7gr in the bottom right slot of my g9 and 4 gr in the upper left slot. If i change the position n keep the weight the same it feels much different. Having the ability to customize the above is a plus imo.

I use the R.A.T. 7, which has both a customizable chassis and weight. Many people complained about the sensor that comes with it, but I haven't been able to reproduce the drifting and z-axis fail. I guess I got lucky and got a well-manufactured one. :D

[Random54]

Does windows automatically lock polling rates at 8 ms by default? How to I check/change my polling rate just in case?

Anyway, I'm also wondering if I need a mousepad. As of right now, my mouse works perfectly on my desk, but I'm worried that the slider pads will wear out.


Windows does not lock the polling rate. You can actually overclock your mouse (although it requires a lot of messing around in 64 bit versions of windows). That said if a mouse can't handle the higher polling rate you will get inconsistent tracking. Best off to get a mouse with hyper polling built in. If you do decide to overclock your mouse I wouldn't recommend higher than 500hz.


I don't need a new mouse. Have a Steelseries mousepad. That's enough. My mouse is very cheap (it's now a couple of years old -I think already 4) and I don't want to waste my money. Is it really that good? I can't believe it.

Believe what you want, it doesn't change the facts. What I said in my original posts were all facts. If you choose to believe it won't make a difference so you can save money. Do that. Doesn't change the FACT that it does make a difference. I mean come on; 8ms input lag vs 1ms input lag. Can you really lie to yourself enough to say that makes no difference?

[Random54]

I use the R.A.T. 7, which has both a customizable chassis and weight. Many people complained about the sensor that comes with it, but I haven't been able to reproduce the drifting and z-axis fail. I guess I got lucky and got a well-manufactured one. :D

The sensor is only so important and often those problems people encounter are only with specific mouse surfaces. I know a few people using that mouse and none of them are having problems. The amount of customization you can do with that mouse makes it the best on the market as far as I'm concerned. The only thing better will be the RAT 9 when it's released. Still if you want to be pro like me you can order one of these (http://www.logitech.com/en-us/mice-pointers/trackballs/devices/7365). :D

[jomi294]

Fact is though, if you add all the latencies involved, having extra 7 ms is really, really, really negligible.

What one should care about is durability of the mouse in general.
Depending on your preferred sensitivity, lift-off distance and maximum velocity/acceleration of the mouse.

[Random54]

Fact is though, if you add all the latencies involved, having extra 7 ms is really, really, really negligible.

What one should care about is durability of the mouse in general.
Depending on your preferred sensitivity, lift-off distance and maximum velocity/acceleration of the mouse.

If you are so broke that you have to make a mouse last you 5+ years then ya, maybe gaming grade isn't for you. As for me I probably buy 3-4 pointing devices per year. Durability is not the #1 thing I look for. It's not even the #10 thing I look for. #1 thing for anyone (gamer or otherwise) should be comfort. After that, to each his own priority but input lag is near the top of my list.

I find when I switch from my trackball (8ms) to a gaming grade mouse the response of the buttons (to actions on screen) feel much more solid and my accuracy improves. That's why I was using a gaming grade mouse for ictf rather than my trackball. If I decide to go back to a game type where the only thing that matters is aim I'll definitely be going back to a gaming grade product.

Now with all of that said is 7 ms isn't the end of the world in terms of response? No. We used it for years in UT99. We were also playing on 56k modems for a few of those years . When cable and dsl became wide spread the serious gamers upgraded. We didn't deny "high speed" being better because we wanted to be cheap. Now 7ms is less than the difference between Cable and 56k but it's very close to the difference between cable and fios. If you ask me if I want 100 ping or 93 ping I'll take 83 thanks. My isp has been having issues lately and my ping has been about 5-8ms higher randomly in a game. When it changes, I feel it. I have to compensate for the extra lag. Is it the end of the world? No, but I'd prefer it to stay low. Lower latency is better, who'd of thunk it.

For those who only play on ping comp servers like Jomi, you're adding up a lot less latencies as Ping makes 0 difference when it comes to hitting your opponent. Latency from input lag makes all the difference. So in your case Jomi I'd be even more inclined to go with a gaming grade mouse.

[korben44]

7ms can be the difference from a frag or death in a duel.... I use the RAT 7 and it is by far the best mouse I've used for UT3. Gaming mice, especially the latest and greatest, will always have the best in terms of laser, sensitivity, lift-off distance and acceleration. They are designed with all of those in mind. Of course, nothing beats the Trackball, and most likely the newest one from Logitech with updated tracking tech, but if you want to use a mouse and that's what you are use to, a gaming mouse is a great way to most likely give yourself that little bit extra to beat your friends.

I'm sure if you asked a pro gamer if they had a choice, a cheap bargin bin usb mouse or built for gaming mouse, they'd choose the latter every time. Maybe you do not need to waste your money or don't have it to buy one, but denying that gaming mice are better than your regular run-of-the-mill usb mouse is ridiculous.

[Cosmos]

lololollolol

Version 1 of the MX518 is the best.

Microsoft IntelliMouse Explorer 3.0 is really good.

/Thread

[Bl!tz~]

ceramic glide have no opponent!...buttons & dpi are not all ;)

[Gameslaya]

7ms can be the difference from a frag or death in a duel.... I use the RAT 7 and it is by far the best mouse I've used for UT3. Gaming mice, especially the latest and greatest, will always have the best in terms of laser, sensitivity, lift-off distance and acceleration. They are designed with all of those in mind. Of course, nothing beats the Trackball, and most likely the newest one from Logitech with updated tracking tech, but if you want to use a mouse and that's what you are use to, a gaming mouse is a great way to most likely give yourself that little bit extra to beat your friends.

I'm sure if you asked a pro gamer if they had a choice, a cheap bargin bin usb mouse or built for gaming mouse, they'd choose the latter every time. Maybe you do not need to waste your money or don't have it to buy one, but denying that gaming mice are better than your regular run-of-the-mill usb mouse is ridiculous.

Hey, did your pads on the RAT wear out? Mine already did! Thankfully, I have a smooth sociology textbook (read: magazine, LOL college is for geniuses?) that works as a suitable mouse pad. Sucks, though, cause it was grinding on my wooden desk by day two. Maybe I should either get a smooth mousepad, or replace the gliders on the bottom of the mouse, if possible.

[Sly.]

Believe what you want, it doesn't change the facts. What I said in my original posts were all facts. If you choose to believe it won't make a difference so you can save money. Do that. Doesn't change the FACT that it does make a difference. I mean come on; 8ms input lag vs 1ms input lag. Can you really lie to yourself enough to say that makes no difference?

Well, I think it works quite good to believe and to save money. :D

...

Could it be that I'm just avaricious? :confused:

[oldkawman1]

If all you do is play bots, maybe you would not even notice the difference a good mouse makes. But when you play online and come up against some highly skilled players, it becomes pretty obvious pretty fast.

A cheap mouse will limit your movement speed and hurt your aim. You will die more and get lower scores than you will with a better mouse.

That said, a better mouse will not make you a better player, but it may help you improve your skills.

[jomi294]

@Random54

I'm sure not even you (not being bankrupt and everything) would like a mouse that breaks after a couple weeks. Durability is important.

As for the latencies, don't kid yourselves. You cannot notice a difference of 7 ms of response time for a mouse when you look at it as only a very tiny % of all the added hardware latencies, plus network. As long as the mouse is durable and comfortable, you're good to go. If you're looking to be a "serious pr0" then I'd suggest going for the RAT 7/9 Transformers or any other $70+ scams floating around on the internet.

[Random54]

@jomi

Spoken by some one in serious denial. If you think you can't see the difference between 1000hz polling and 125hz you've obviously never done an honest comparison. I have and it's night and day. I'll do the test blind and pick out 1000hz every time. All I can do is point out the facts. You want to disbelieve them to save a bit of money that's your business. Telling others to ignore things that will help them play better isn't doing them any favors.

[Gameslaya]

@jomi

Spoken by some one in serious denial. If you think you can't see the difference between 1000hz polling and 125hz you've obviously never done an honest comparison. I have and it's night and day. I'll do the test blind and pick out 1000hz every time. All I can do is point out the facts. You want to disbelieve them to save a bit of money that's your business. Telling others to ignore things that will help them play better isn't doing them any favors.

What this guy said.

I honestly thought gaming mice were a scam too until I tried one.

[jomi294]

@Radnom54
Why would I be in denial, I use a gaming geared mouse.
It's not my opinion, it's biological limit. One is not capable of noticing such difference. Perhaps if the case was isolated 1 ms vs 8m, I'd consider the possibility of your supernatural abilities being able to pinpoint this difference, and I know you'll forever argue that you can. :rolleyes:

The only fact I've seen you've posted is the numeric difference between 125 Hz and 1000 Hz.

@Gameslaya
I do know that gaming mice have advantages anyhow, though this ms difference is not relevant. Whatever improvements you are experiencing are most likely caused by another feature which came with your high-quality built product.

[Gameslaya]

@Gameslaya
I do know that gaming mice have advantages anyhow, though this ms difference is not relevant. Whatever improvements you are experiencing are most likely caused by another feature which came with your high-quality built product.

Like high DPI, for example? :D

[Shino]

@hotcake
let it go. random54 is a tournament winner. and you are??? he knows what he is talking about. without the 5600 dpi mice @ 1000hz you cant do all the-across-the-map-mid-air-tank-shell hits on campgrounds. i'll buy you one and one day, after reading all of his guides, you can be as good as random54 in FPS's. then you can own your own server and ban anyone who plays better then you.

@random54
Can you unban me from your server?

[Random54]

Don't think you're banned Shino. If you are message me your ip and I'll unban you.

For the record, although I have used gaming grade mice in the recent past, I currently use a Logitech Trackman Wheel. The tracking technology it uses is from 1996 so it's not exactly 5600 DPI. For DM aim isn't as important, at least not the way I play, so I think the advantages of the trackball out weigh the disadvantages of the old tech. If I played ictf or a game where aim is all important I'll use a gaming grade mouse. Probably a RAT 7 or 9 for the customization.

As for being able to tell the difference between 1000hz and 125hz I can't with tracking/looking around. I can tell when I'm actually firing/clicking. Switching between 500hz and 1000hz I'll admit I can't detect a difference. I can tell the difference between 1000hz and 125 though. In fact I don't think it's all that subtle. It simply feels like as soon as I think to fire it does. If I'd never have tried out 1000hz vs 125hz I'd never have realized anything was wrong with 125. Once you've experimented and felt the difference I don't think there is any denying it. Easy enough for you to test out and see I'm right. If after testing you still don't believe me then by all means set it to 125hz.

BTW We don't really know what our biological limits are. I remember hearing there was no point in FPS above 22.5 and then no point above 60. Then it turns out that we can detect different aspects of motion at different speeds so even 120hz is not a waste. We were told that humans could only hear sounds up to 20,000Hz. Turns out people can perceive sounds above that range although scientists don't believe its through the ear. We're told we can only see so many shades of color. They make displays with more shades and it turns out we can. We see those extra shades as making an image appear more 3d.

[ws.iono]

The Rundown :

A mouse i had been using for roughly "Seven years or so" recently become somewhat damaged. It was an IntelliMouse Explorer 3.0. ~400 DPI. It served well during it's use.

While searching for a new mouse, I happened upon a WolfKing Trooper MVP. It's a "gaming mouse", it has adjustable DPI modes; 800, 1600, and 2400. Okay. Hunky Dorey.

The mouse arrives. I am eager to test it out, i commence testing it on 800 DPI, and it seems swell. I then later bump the DPI to 2400, and adjust the sensitivity, guessing it we be super responsive. Yes, it was responsive if the mouse was moving a short distance at a "moderate" speed, but the second I want to pull a swift, twitch, "180" or so, the mouse and it's "awesomeness" immediately come into question.

The new mouse seems have a "maximum speed". Fast and sudden movements cause it to delay it's acceleration. It moves smoothly, just not responsively.

When fast and sudden movements are concerned, it the mouse doesn't seem to be "1:1".

I would guess there is a bottle neck at the USB port, however, i use the USB ports for more than a mouse. A Wacom tablet being one of the pieces of hardware connected. Thumb drives, external hard drives, etc...

I have heard the overclocking a USB port / polling rate can fry usb ports, render some hardware inoperable, and generally may not be particularly advised. I called ASUS earlier, and, perhaps unsurprisingly, they advised against overclocking USB ports.

Might this just be an isolated occurrence? Perhaps this WolfKing Trooper MVP mouse is just funky?

Suggestions?

[Gameslaya]

The Rundown :

A mouse i had been using for roughly "Seven years or so" recently become somewhat damaged. It was an IntelliMouse Explorer 3.0. ~400 DPI. It served well during it's use.

While searching for a new mouse, I happened upon a WolfKing Trooper MVP. It's a "gaming mouse", it has adjustable DPI modes; 800, 1600, and 2400. Okay. Hunky Dorey.

The mouse arrives. I am eager to test it out, i commence testing it on 800 DPI, and it seems swell. I then later bump the DPI to 2400, and adjust the sensitivity, guessing it we be super responsive. Yes, it was responsive if the mouse was moving a short distance at a "moderate" speed, but the second I want to pull a swift, twitch, "180" or so, the mouse and it's "awesomeness" immediately come into question.

The new mouse seems have a "maximum speed". Fast and sudden movements cause it to delay it's acceleration. It moves smoothly, just not responsively.

When fast and sudden movements are concerned, it the mouse doesn't seem to be "1:1".

I would guess there is a bottle neck at the USB port, however, i use the USB ports for more than a mouse. A Wacom tablet being one of the pieces of hardware connected. Thumb drives, external hard drives, etc...

I have heard the overclocking a USB port / polling rate can fry usb ports, render some hardware inoperable, and generally may not be particularly advised. I called ASUS earlier, and, perhaps unsurprisingly, they advised against overclocking USB ports.

Might this just be an isolated occurrence? Perhaps this WolfKing Trooper MVP mouse is just funky?

Suggestions?

Mouse acceleration is your problem, sir. You must go under your mouse settings on your computer and uncheck "enhance pointer precision." Works wonders!

Also, turn off all mouse smoothing and acceleration in all of your games, too.

Me, I've even downloaded a registry fix from Saitek that effectively deletes any mouse acceleration. It turns out mouse acceleration is really bad for gaming, because like you said, if you try to move the mouse fast, the cursor will go faster instead of going the same distance every time.

Try it! You'll thank me! :D

[ws.iono]

Gameslaya : Sorry, i didn't mention that it's disabled, smoothing is off, and i've gone through many of the software tweaks. The issue seems to at least be acting as if it's a bottleneck. If i swipe the mouse swiftly upon the desk, the cursor on the screen seems to play "Catch up". It moves smoothly, and slowly, and approximately where the mouse might have moved it, with noticeable latency.

I appreciate the assistance, nonetheless, however :), thank you!

[jomi294]

Like high DPI, for example? :D

Maybe so, I'd argue that indeed helps, although not as much as improved mouse feet for example, or better ergonomics, greater maximum tracking acceleration, greater tracking speed.
Extra mouse buttons is a great feature that often comes with gaming geared mouse, so that's also good. Better build quality also often associated with kind of mice also ensures your mouse will work as advertised, etc.

[Gameslaya]

Gameslaya : Sorry, i didn't mention that it's disabled, smoothing is off, and i've gone through many of the software tweaks. The issue seems to at least be acting as if it's a bottleneck. If i swipe the mouse swiftly upon the desk, the cursor on the screen seems to play "Catch up". It moves smoothly, and slowly, and approximately where the mouse might have moved it, with noticeable latency.

I appreciate the assistance, nonetheless, however :), thank you!

Oh man, that sucks. If I had a mouse like that it'd be totally useless.

[korben44]

Hey, did your pads on the RAT wear out? Mine already did! Thankfully, I have a smooth sociology textbook (read: magazine, LOL college is for geniuses?) that works as a suitable mouse pad. Sucks, though, cause it was grinding on my wooden desk by day two. Maybe I should either get a smooth mousepad, or replace the gliders on the bottom of the mouse, if possible.

I use a razer destructor mouse pad, so my rat 7 'feet' haven't worn out yet. You really should invest in a good quality mouse pad.

[korben44]

Gameslaya : Sorry, i didn't mention that it's disabled, smoothing is off, and i've gone through many of the software tweaks. The issue seems to at least be acting as if it's a bottleneck. If i swipe the mouse swiftly upon the desk, the cursor on the screen seems to play "Catch up". It moves smoothly, and slowly, and approximately where the mouse might have moved it, with noticeable latency.

I appreciate the assistance, nonetheless, however :), thank you!

It could be the limitation of the sensor in your mouse. My R.A.T. 7, for example, can take acceleration of up to 50g. Check your spec's with the mouse manufacturer.

[korben44]

ws.iono, I checked to spec's for you... up to 20g acceleration and that's it.. pretty poor for a gaming grade mouse these days... For $50 I would have looked at the Cooler Master Sentinel Gaming mouse...

[Gameslaya]

I use a razer destructor mouse pad, so my rat 7 'feet' haven't worn out yet. You really should invest in a good quality mouse pad.

I went and got a steelseries pad. Should come in any day now.

[Nightmare85]

In my opinion the DPI aren't that important.
For me the most important feature was the huge amount of mouse buttons.
Being able to quickly select the needed weapon is really really helpful.
I always laughed when I wanted to hit and run some guy who was trying to find the Avril and switched all their weapons :D

[Bl!tz~]

In my opinion the DPI aren't that important.
For me the most important feature was the huge amount of mouse buttons.
Being able to quickly select the needed weapon is really really helpful.
I always laughed when I wanted to hit and run some guy who was trying to find the Avril and switched all their weapons :D

+1 to all that; i never saw noticeable improvements on the same mouse while using it a 800 or 3200 dpi...except that u have to reset all ur ut mouse settings:p.....though i have old eyes & head and it can happen that i miss something somewhere :rolleyes:
....the glide is a very important point and having a lifetime warranty on the ceramic foots took 50% of my choice....uncomparable glide on hard mousepads (UT3 mousepads for example or NOVA overslideIII) and no maintenance (no need to buy & change the foots each xxx hours)

[Gameslaya]

+1 to all that; i never saw noticeable improvements on the same mouse while using it a 800 or 3200 dpi...except that u have to reset all ur ut mouse settings:p.....though i have old eyes & head and it can happen that i miss something somewhere :rolleyes:
....the glide is a very important point and having a lifetime warranty on the ceramic foots took 50% of my choice....uncomparable glide on hard mousepads (UT3 mousepads for example or NOVA overslideIII) and no maintenance (no need to buy & change the foots each xxx hours)

Ceramic foots? Man, that sounds awesome.

Can you just buy those kinds of foots and stick it on any mouse? Probably not. :(

[Bl!tz~]

Ceramic foots? Man, that sounds awesome.

Can you just buy those kinds of foots and stick it on any mouse? Probably not. :(

unfortunatly i dont think so :(
for now i only know two mouses that have thoses ceramic foots:

the NOVA Slider X600 (http://www.esportnova.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=93&Itemid=172) and the Ozone smog (http://www.xsreviews.co.uk/reviews/peripherals/ozone-smog/)

[gargorias]

Using the Microsoft Sidewinder Mouse ATM and it's pretty good!

As for mats the last steel mat I had wrecked my mouse and was way to cold in Winter.

Have since been using the Razer Mantis (control) and have never looked back!

Not that it has helped me against Godlike bots, they only have to look at me and I,m dead! LOL

[rek]

my default dps is now 2400 in game sens 1000.
getting used to it, nedd to lower it just a tiny bit.
g9 mouse, xacto cutting mat mouse pad.
seems to feel really nice. moving combos seem a bit easier.
all results are not respective all users, results may vary.

[UTPlayer529th]

Random54 is right about the polling rate. I've experienced this difference first hand (125Hz vs 500Hz polling rate)

I'm using a MS sidewinder X3

[ws.iono]

Might anyone care to suggest any potential detrimental effects of altering / modifying a polling rate? I've been curious about this for a while, and it SEEMS to be rather obscure. There doesn't seem to be many readily accessible resources on adjusting polling rates, at least thus far with the effort i've exerted into searching for potential resources.

Also, would adjusting polling rates potentially impair the function of other USB components? A Wacom tablet for instance? USB keyboard? External hard drive?

Also, i recently happened upon this mouse, as mentioned in an previous post :

http://www.wolfkingusa.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=59&Itemid=75

Someone suggested that it only has "20gs" of acceleration. The mouse seems to have a noticeable "bottleneck". Rapid twitch movements seem to be strung out, and turning seems to have a "maximum speed" with that mouse. The aforementioned seems exacerbated at higher mouse DPI configurations.

Because of the seeming "bottle-neck", i'm using an Intellimouse Explorer 3.0, which doesn't have acceleration / bottleneck, seemingly. This could be because of it's lower DPI, at ~400.

Would you guess it's just the Trooper MVP, or perhaps a polling rate issue?
Would polling rate adjustments carry the potential for the adverse functioning of other USB components?

I'M CONFUSE...

[UTPlayer529th]

what mouse were you using? The R.A.T. 7?

my favorite mouse went out of production a long time ago

[Gameslaya]

Might anyone care to suggest any potential detrimental effects of altering / modifying a polling rate? I've been curious about this for a while, and it SEEMS to be rather obscure. There doesn't seem to be many readily accessible resources on adjusting polling rates, at least thus far with the effort i've exerted into searching for potential resources.

Also, would adjusting polling rates potentially impair the function of other USB components? A Wacom tablet for instance? USB keyboard? External hard drive?

Also, i recently happened upon this mouse, as mentioned in an previous post :

http://www.wolfkingusa.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=59&Itemid=75

Someone suggested that it only has "20gs" of acceleration. The mouse seems to have a noticeable "bottleneck". Rapid twitch movements seem to be strung out, and turning seems to have a "maximum speed" with that mouse. The aforementioned seems exacerbated at higher mouse DPI configurations.

Because of the seeming "bottle-neck", i'm using an Intellimouse Explorer 3.0, which doesn't have acceleration / bottleneck, seemingly. This could be because of it's lower DPI, at ~400.

Would you guess it's just the Trooper MVP, or perhaps a polling rate issue?
Would polling rate adjustments carry the potential for the adverse functioning of other USB components?

I'M CONFUSE...

It might be polling rate, since you would notice poor input with faster mouse swipes.

However, the 20g acceleration issue is probably the main culprit, since you say that after a certain speed of mouse swipe, the cursor locks at lower speed. If it were just a polling rate issue, it would just be a barely-perceptible lag... your cursor should catch up in that 8ms time and go the same speed you swiped your mouse previously.

Basically, with low polling rates, a fast 180 twitch would be possible, but you'd have to compensate with over-correcting since your cursor may go off too far due to lag.

With low acceleration threshold, a fast 180 twitch would not be possible- you'd have to go off your mousepad and reposition your mouse, probably even several times before you can turn 180 degrees.

[UTPlayer529th]

A 120Hz monitor will help

[chatran88]

A 120Hz monitor will help

oh man, don't make **** in my pants :eek:


on: a decent mouse with a comfortable shape can improve your aim more than a useless mouse with 9700 dpi imo.

my lowbie IME 3.0 has only 400dpi and 125hz polling rate, and looks so cheap =(
but has one of the most comfortable shape I've ever used.

[Cosmos]

oh man, don't make **** in my pants :eek:


on: a decent mouse with a comfortable shape can improve your aim more than a useless mouse with 9700 dpi imo.

my lowbie IME 3.0 has only 400dpi and 125hz polling rate, and looks so cheap =(
but has one of the most comfortable shape I've ever used.

Also....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB7L8Bvkx4c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsmDFCBxF24

Terrible Clan..TERRIBLE. Go away.

[chatran88]

what's wrong with you?? eh?

[Jhonyshow]

Also....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LB7L8Bvkx4c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hsmDFCBxF24

Terrible Clan..TERRIBLE. Go away.

hahahaha la tenes adentro.

mucha envidia por aca...

[Cosmos]

hahahaha la tenes adentro.

mucha envidia por aca...


Sure is funny how easily you got owned. Pathetic Kiddo.

You should practice more and make more frag videos. That might improve your UT3 skills.

[Jhonyshow]

Sure is funny how easily you got owned. Pathetic Kiddo.

You should practice more and make more frag videos. That might improve your UT3 skills.

no hacia ni 3 meses q jugaba muerto! y mira el score q sacaste...
Te pasas posteando esto como si fuera un logro, te hagarro ahora y ni al buscaminas te van a dar ganas de jugar...

te repito, LA TENES ADENTRO.

ademas, el que entro bardeando ese dia al servers fuiste vos.. jodido pendejo...

[Cosmos]

no hacia ni 3 meses q jugaba muerto! y mira el score q sacaste...
Te pasas posteando esto como si fuera un logro, te hagarro ahora y ni al buscaminas te van a dar ganas de jugar...

te repito, LA TENES ADENTRO.

ademas, el que entro bardeando ese dia al servers fuiste vos.. jodido pendejo...

3 months of not playing? Well, well, well. Remember, I did have 280 ping and you had 25 ping. You lost, end of story.
What makes it funnier is that all your clan friends were watching you LOSE. HAHAHAHH.

I don't need to play you again because you lost. Waste of time. Keep practicing and maybe you might be good as me.

Tip: Learn to type in english. Reading your trash language is crude and below me.
:)

[Jhonyshow]

3 months of not playing? Well, well, well. Remember, I did have 280 ping and you had 25 ping. You lost, end of story.
What makes it funnier is that all your clan friends were watching you LOSE. HAHAHAHH.

I don't need to play you again because you lost. Waste of time. Keep practicing and maybe you might be good as me.

Tip: Learn to type in english. Reading your trash language is crude and below me.
:)


jajaja se nota que no entendes español, ni usar google traductor... ni me voy a gastar en escribirte en ingles....

hacia 3 meses que habia empezado a jugar Unreal, asi que yo que vos empezaria a decir "un player de 3 meses me dio pelea"...

Hoy por hoy, tu nivel ni se compara con el mio, sos un insecto...


PD: a todo esto... cual es tu problema ? que no te conoce ni tu vieja ?

[Bl!tz~]

....???!!!....msn^^

[UTPlayer529th]

everyone boasts being better than the other (sure, we are all competitive) but what comes across far better than being an arrogant a**hole is a really cool person

[Gameslaya]

LOL, when did the conversation veer into a hot dispute regarding clan wars?

[-Warlord-^]

So does dpi rating really make a huge difference in how the mouse acts if your using 400, 800, or 2000 other then the speed at which it travels?

I use a g5 and only go up to 800 dpi when playing ut, everything else is 400. other then changing the sense around would changing my dpi to 2000 really make a big difference?

Or is it all opinion on this?

[Gameslaya]

So does dpi rating really make a huge difference in how the mouse acts if your using 400, 800, or 2000 other then the speed at which it travels?

I use a g5 and only go up to 800 dpi when playing ut, everything else is 400. other then changing the sense around would changing my dpi to 2000 really make a big difference?

Or is it all opinion on this?

With higher DPI and very low sensitivity, the amount of pixels the cursor skips is much smaller compared to a low DPI mouse with high sensitivity.

But I suppose after a certain point high DPI does negligible difference. (Probably at the 2000 DPI mark).

In other words, if you have a crappy mouse, and if you tried to snipe, your cursor will tend to skip pixels, probably more than a head's length. So, your aiming style would be kind of wild instead of smooth.

With higher DPI, the sensitivity of your mouse is higher, but smoother. You need to lower the sensitivity in game to retain maximum smoothness and aimability.

[Random54]

With higher DPI and very low sensitivity, the amount of pixels the cursor skips is much smaller compared to a low DPI mouse with high sensitivity.

That's true but not skipping pixels doesn't make a mouse more accurate. It's all about consistency.

In the real world high DPI mice at their highest setting can actually result in lower accuracy. This is because there will be more pixels moved on the mouse than will be moved on the screen and your game and/or windows will be stuck with what to do with the information that results in less than a pixel of movement. In the situation of a lower DPI mouse the program will be multiplying the results from your mouse resulting in no remainders and a more consistent output.

The theory behind using a high DPI mouse is sound up to a point especially if you run a 1:1 non scaled/accelerated mouse input (which almost no one does). That is for each pixel of movement your mouse picks up your cursor or view moves 1 pixel. Registry patches to remove acceleration still let windows scale the mouse input for your resolution resulting in something other than a 1:1 input for most resolutions. For more on that see this thread (http://razerblueprints.net/index.php/component/option,com_smf/Itemid,99/topic,6898.0/).

If you computer and game are set up for 1:1 mouse input then you will need a mouse with adjustable DPI that can be adjusted high enough for you to turn at your desired speed. Screen resolution will play a role here, as the higher your screen resolution the more pixels must be moved in order to perform a given turn. So if you are running a resolution of 640x480 you would need a much lower DPI mouse than if you are running 1920x1200.

In UT3 I have no idea if this is 1000, 500, or 100. My trackball is not of high enough resolution for this to really matter to me.

I would imagine a 3000ish DPI mouse with adjustable DPI settings would be enough for anyone. Most gamers are unlikely to use a setting above 2000. The other features such as Hyper Polling, lift off distance, mouse shape, mouse weight, friction with surface, button placement, number of buttons and software are all generally more important than high DPI.