Titans

[Ga-Reef]

Not much needs to be said about titans other than, they kill way too easy and in some cases ruin many players' games and sometimes cause them to leave out of frustration. Just wondering, in general terms what do you think of them?

[Lucius2]

+1

i enjoyed so much playing on the epic non titan server (euro) again. thx to the free steam we. good ping and especially NO TITANS.

i really hope ppl keep on playing on this server instead on titans or the very laggy raptor. so its not like the last ehm 3months??!! where only titan spam crap servers were populated. and if ppl play w/o titan, why dont they play on epic server, but instead on laggy raptor one.

and tbh, i could write this post overall the forum

[Cr4zy]

I get a deemer.

[bclagge]

Titans are a mut. I just play on servers that don't have it, just like any gameplay altering mut. Except ONS 2.0 which rocks.

[aCRaSSiCauDa]

This mutator should be configurable and should require more points to fill the guage so you can at least see less titans on the server.

Plus it would be more fun if you can only transform into a titan once per match... this makes people hold it until they are sure it's the right time to transform.

I just hate it when it turns to be a spawnrape tool.

[B0T0X]

Titans don't ruin the game. Imbalanced teams and poor teamwork ruin the game.

Titans just make those things more noticable.

[bclagge]

There will always be imbalanced teams. There is always a lack of teamwork to a degree in a pub. So, yes, it can be argued that Titans are a game breaking concept. It's just a goof though, so I don't think they ruin the game. Just don't play with them if you don't want to be spawn killed.

[Pitch~Black]

Titans are okay IMHO only for DM. I think they ruin team-based games. Although in CTF, Greed, vCTF and WAR it does add an element of strategy, it also adds an element of BS that outweighs the potential fun. Even in DM it can be a hassle if you join a server mid-map and another player goes Titan. But, when things are more or less even, they're fun in DM. The Titan-clap I can live without, however. They are already powerful Juggernauts of death and the only real defense you have is either getting a deemer .... or outmaneuvering them. The Clap takes even that away. Just say no to the Clap.

[B0T0X]

Just say no to the Clap.
xD

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[Danthe57]

Titans are awesome for Greed but Morbid sucks is not an option... so going with they make UT3 more fun

[Infra`]

I'm personally not a big fan of titans, but they bring a new and fresh twist to ut3. If people are drawn to the game and like playing with them, then by all means more power to them.

[Fliperaci]

Quote: "Titans ruined my UT3!!! >< It's worse than HAX!!!"

[Pop!]

We had a big debate about Titans over on the Hedsteem forums. It got quite heated! But the solution was very simple. We made Titan voteable per game. Its as easy as voting the map you want.
So its down to what the players want. The result is that Titan tends to stay on for a few games. Then its voted off for a few games. And so the cycle continues throughout the day.

Choice and variety of game play is good! :)

Pop

[Sincreator]

I would of liked to see some adrenaline powerups, rather than Titans. Some speed/haste/multi-jump...etc instead, that would build up after each kill. Not grow big, get WAY stronger, and having homing rockets, with a next level that makes you way stronger. lol.:rolleyes:

The adrenaline system of old really made matches interesting. imo. Got to do, and see alot of real cool kills/deaths, and it added many different escape routes for ctf/vctf. I could go on for days about adrenaline, but it's just my opinion. Alot would probally disagree with me, but then some would probally agree. :)

[bclagge]

Please no. No adrenaline. This isn't UT2004. Adrenaline was terrible, imo.

[Sincreator]

Please no. No adrenaline. This isn't UT2004. Adrenaline was terrible, imo.

Couldnt be much worse than one team having 8 titans and the other having none.

[bclagge]

So, Titans are bad and the solution is to instead have something that's only half as bad? Just don't play on a Titan server. And if you really want adrenaline, bust out some Uscript and make a mod. Then I can avoid playing on those servers too, and you can have the adrenaline. ;)

[The Demon Slick]

Titan and Greed go together like peanut butter and jelly. All other gametypes, it's gimmicky or something. I usually play warfare, sometimes I go goof off on a titan warfare server for bit before I head off to find a real game. My 2 cents.

[MAshling]

I like the Titan thing a bit but not all the time, I think most servers should not include them to give people plenty of chance to play normal games as well.

[MAshling]

Another thing is, the Titan isn't done very well, for example visibility. Still fun though.

[Irritated Skin]

I like the Titan for vehicle games, Greed maps with vehicles more specifically. I wish it were more configurable, maybe allow the server admin to nerf the Titan, or reduce his availability. I voted I didn't have an opinion otherwise.

[jiiihaad]

I liked Titan mutator first two weeks and played only titan servers. Now I play non-titan servers cause titan spawnkilling was really annoying.

Little offtopic: I find it strange that Cold Harbor and Confrontation encourage to spawn rapeing. Yea, its "fun" to one guy, but 10 other guys get mad at same time. Epic failure.

[Thigor]

Titans ruined the game for me, I play VCTF and it only takes 1 titan spawn killing to allow the other team to score.
Most games turn into 6 or 7 titans in the enemy base killing everyone while the flag carrier can walk out without any conflict with defense.
Plus the titan view is blurred at best and makes it hard to aim, it feels so dumbed down that the rockets auto lock and can kill almost everything with relative ease, I like to atleast put some effort in to kill something.
The only people who should like titans are the people who can't kill without them tbh

Problem being the popular servers with the best ping in VCTF are either titans or suspense only so I have little choice when it comes to playing on a server without them.
I wish you could vote to choose titans at the very least, personally I would not care if they were scrapped entirely.

My 2 cents on them anyway

[oldkawman1]

I do not like the titan mutator, so I rarely play on a server with it. The only problem I see with the titan is that the majority of servers have this loaded. So, very few servers without it. There should be fewer titan servers, they are mostly empty anyway, and more standard servers so it's at least half-half..

[Fijut]

I just hate it when it turns to be a spawnrape tool.

Fix this and I'll retract the comment "They have pretty much ruined the game"

Most don't seem to realise that if you use a titan properly, midfield as cover etc, you actually get more points and live longer, kill more etc.

Titans have taken the fun out of monster kills.

[SHOGUN_1]

Havent seen a TiTan yet...

[radu1234]

titans suck in balance ,the ground hit makes them suck twice as much...its a piece of crap even if i hurt epics feelings ¬.¬
remove the ground hit ,their capacity to dmg cores and behemoth(not sure if i spelled right but u can guess what i said ¬.¬) and they'll become in a way fun cause of the ASSASIIIIN announcement(the only thing i like about them) :D

[Moloko]

An option would be letting this function alongside the current game awards; Combo king, Flak master , RoX sci...etc, at least then you'd know that the player has accomplished something to get their transform, imo, this would make Titan rarer and maybe more respected. Plus a big bad flak cannon and not just the current rox and shock would be ... :eek:.

[Nightmare85]

I think the Titans are not a bad idea at all.
However, I think they are not suitable for CTF/vCTF and Warfare.
Weeks ago before the Titan pack and 2.0 got released, I thought Titan will be a separate game mode.
Using it for the game modes I mentioned is not funny :(
I remember very good Warfare matches, but as soon as one player got a Titan the game was ruined in my opinion.

Greets

[hybridworld]

ooo a titan thread

titans are *fun* and *lol* for a little while when you first encounter them.. HOWEVER on the whole i have to say that war games were a lot more fluid and dynamic [and fun] without them. Players will camp their vehicles or attempt to spawn kill in order to get their kills up for titan.

afaik titan mutator isn't enabled on most deathmatch servers and tbh i beleive this single statement makes it clear why the mutator is a failure.

but i see some people will argue that titan servers are always full. do the maths, im sure the majority of people will sacrifice their hate for titan just to play on a populated server. Sure i could join the non-titan war server but its never properly populated (apart from at this free weekend ofc). Bigger problems arise when you consider that the already laggy servers are being pumped up to 32 players and thus making a big untasty laggy spam cake. oh and THEN there are titans too ^^ exploding everywhere!

plus people WILL join the nice non-laggy 24 slot non-titan servers as long as there are already 5-6 people playing.

you say you cant kill anyone??? ahh don't worry, because everytime someone on your team turns into a titan you are rewarded +2 titan points just for being on their team. So just stay at your core and wait for your teammates to do the hardwork ;) fix this plskthx

also, its epicly hilarious that the mutator is not configurable. if i did use this mutator in war, for example, even then i would only award titan points for node work, and not spawn killing.

to make titans work imo: make them configurable, reconsider what is needed to get a "titan point", and perhaps limit the number of simultaneous titans.. tbh in theory an entire team could be titan xD. you may laugh but when there are 5 titans guarding a node, teh node is a bit difficult to get back. then these 5 titans run towards your core, all pressing "e" if anyone gets too close.. crickey its hilarious but is sooo unfair.

To sum up, a new mutator is a good idea. however, you cannot consider this to be finished since there is so much wrong with it. Also if you were to compare the popularity of this mutator with a new gametype, eg Domination, i have no doubt Domination would hands down.

[The Demon Slick]

OK, as previously stated I only like Titans for greed... having said that, I can't believe all the complaining about them groundpounding and spawn raping. If they spawnrape, kill them. If someone is camping to fill their meter, kill them. No matter what they do that you don't like..... KILL THEM. And fyi, it is NOT unfair, both teams can do it. The point about the game being less fluid seems somewhat valid. Adapt, adjust, survive (or don't survive, who cares, respawn!).
Titans may be annoying and you might not like them but unfair they are not. And there really are servers without titan, at least for warfare... the better players will usually get on those at night. Although sometimes people like to ground pound as well.

[hybridworld]

you misunderstand.. i wasn't calling titans unfair. but something like 5 titans guarding a prime is unfair - even a deemer can easily be denied with beserk shock combo.. yes both teams can do it. but this reasoning fails because does that therefore mean anything and everything is fair and therefore OK in a game? there are exploits which are not allowed and are fixed since they are too "unfair" even tho both teams can do them. also i recall saying i liked the idea of titans, but it needs fixing. I gave my warfare example of a nice fix; to only award titan points for node-work <- imagine how fun this match would be!

tbh there is no point arguing over if they are fair or not as long as everyone accepts the fact that they are not perfect [far from imo], and therefore need fixing.

yes ofc you can kill the titans who are spawn killing you, but this means it takes a lot longer for your team to recover and make some actual progress within the game. a skilled spawnkiller can swing the whole match for his team's favour. as nightmare says, its not suited to ctf or war.. ive played some really fun greed titan games, and you are right it works quite well, UNTIL there is a titan/bohemoth pounding the ground right on top of your flag. yea the bohemoth will die after so many seconds, but thats plenty enough time to get raped by your enemy... in which case it isn't "greed", but more of a race to become this mighty spawn raper :p dont even get me started on "morbid"...

[DrUnKenSTeiN]

Titans ruined ut3. Entering a server n getting titan in 1min without doing nothing = thats NOT ut. Ut was about skill.
Talking warfare titans just divided the war players and made many leave(prolly the much promising patch that didnt do most that we asked n created more probs helped them decide to leave)

In ut3 already new guys were helped a lot. Just spam n u get a kill.Much easier to kill than ut2k4.Then titans. After that what? makin it cod friendly prolly?

They could make titan a spawn thing, like the deemer. Time it,defend your chance to take it,use it for a min(make it a 3mins or so spawn).Throw some maps with the expansion with the titan spawn. See how it goes.

I cant stand guys walking in a straight line,getting killed in a sec and then get titan n just shoot randomly n get kills.Why should they get better? Any 5year old can get in n kill.Other players can get him to be titan. All he has to do is press fire.Other games use as promotion the "non spawn killing" efforts they do.Epic promotes it?


I play in servers with 230+++ ping in US BUT I WONT PLAY titan even with 0 ping.

[B0T0X]

I don't get it Drunkenstein. Titans are not that hard to kill man... Noobs are still noobs Titan mut. or not. Noobs who turn Titan die fast. You're talking like they're impossible to kill or something when even good players can usually be taken down in under 30 seconds with a little teamwork. Heck, on vehicle maps they can be taken out in no time! One time I killed a guy 1 second after he turned Titan with a scavenger rofl. Twas hilarious... ...not to mention the fact that you can turn Titan yourself and kill them in 5 seconds flat.

[DrUnKenSTeiN]

I don't get it Drunkenstein. Titans are not that hard to kill man... Noobs are still noobs Titan mut. or not. Noobs who turn Titan die fast. You're talking like they're impossible to kill or something when even good players can usually be taken down in under 30 seconds with a little teamwork. Heck, on vehicle maps they can be taken out in no time! One time I killed a guy 1 second after he turned Titan with a scavenger rofl. Twas hilarious... ...not to mention the fact that you can turn Titan yourself and kill them in 5 seconds flat.

Why waste a scorp on a "got titan by luck" guy?Why most guys want the vehicles that give kills and not the orb?

Who actually things that the maps we play were made with titans involved?Some maps are already unbalanced. Add titans to it.

Btw most of the new guys love to spawnkill. They know by now where are the spawn points. Even if they are at a node that they should attack they wont shoot at it. Just hammer the ground . Even with spawn protection they will get a monster kill.

If thats what they think ut is = my choice not to play with them IS what i want. Warn them n ban them imo(im being TOO much polite here-else i would have been banned for life)

[H3i53nb3rg]

Riiigghhhttt...ban people because they don't like to play the game the same way as you do. Or rather, they play in such a way that doesn't let your superior skills shine through. Elitism at its best.

[DrUnKenSTeiN]

Riiigghhhttt...ban people because they don't like to play the game the same way as you do. Or rather, they play in such a way that doesn't let your superior skills shine through. Elitism at its best.

Spawn killing is a way to play the game now? NOT where i come from.

For your information in a lot of servers spawn killing is bannable.Prolly they did that cause i say so :P?

Irony is not your best quality but prolly its all you have btw.

[H3i53nb3rg]

Spawn killing is a way to play the game now? NOT where i come from.

For your information in a lot of servers spawn killing is bannable.Prolly they did that cause i say so :P?

Irony is not your best quality but prolly its all you have btw.

Whether or not you realise, your last sentence is tantamount to saying that player X's highest score in game Y is not 500 even though his only score in Y is 500. So I'm not sure what you're making an attempt to say. But I guess you prefer to use ad hominems as a substitute for proper arguments. Although I will grant you concession in this instance as English isn't your first language.

If spawn killing can get you banned on many servers because you tell the admins to do so and they listen, then what are you whining about? Because whether or not you realise, from what you've just said (first sentence in the above quote), it's apparent that none of the servers you play on, have a spawn killing problem.

If you're talking about servers you don't play on, then what's it to you? Doesn't the fact that servers which run the titan mutator, don't restrict the use of titans in any conceivable way, and remain popular, tell you something about the way people like to play?

[Killing_Joke.jW]

Why waste a scorp on a "got titan by luck" guy?Why most guys want the vehicles that give kills and not the orb?

Who actually things that the maps we play were made with titans involved?Some maps are already unbalanced. Add titans to it.

Btw most of the new guys love to spawnkill. They know by now where are the spawn points. Even if they are at a node that they should attack they wont shoot at it. Just hammer the ground . Even with spawn protection they will get a monster kill.

If thats what they think ut is = my choice not to play with them IS what i want. Warn them n ban them imo(im being TOO much polite here-else i would have been banned for life)

I understand where drunkenstein is coming from. At first when the titans were introduced, i like it very much, it was aé releif to see something new. But now i dislike them taht much that i also look for a server that has no titan mutator.
If i were an admin i also would politely ask them to NOT spawnkill, if they not listen i also would kick there ass from the server. (its a matter of keeping fun for everyone)
This mutator can be a addition to the gameplay and strategy if players use the titan wisely and in a fun way.

[Jake99]

Seems a pretty even poll from the results. I think the purists hate them but noobs think it's great fun and it gives them a chance to score a few kills.

[Benfica]

Drunken, what's with the massive number of bans in Europe ???

[radu1234]

I play in servers with 230+++ ping in US BUT I WONT PLAY titan even with 0 ping.

i like ur spirit but that might just be a little too drastic.
but still playing with over 200 ping is somewhat impossible because the movement will cease from being linear anymore so u wont even be able to move or know where u are at a certain moment.(thats my case at least,200 + ping is 100% impossible :| )


Riiigghhhttt...ban people because they don't like to play the game the same way as you do. Or rather, they play in such a way that doesn't let your superior skills shine through. Elitism at its best.

lol u just said spawnkilling and haveing greatly unfair advantages over others is the way to go.And at least he doesnt get his kills by pressing a button while watching TV.


If you're talking about servers you don't play on, then what's it to you? Doesn't the fact that servers which run the titan mutator, don't restrict the use of titans in any conceivable way, and remain popular, tell you something about the way people like to play?

the "not where i come from" was metaphorical. it meant not from his point of view,he didnt refer to any server or real life place.
and few servers have admins u can call when u get spawnkilled.

now about ur first statement.why do u even play this game if the only thing u can do to get a kill is sit on ur ass till u get titan and then start pressing a button in spawn areas to get kills.thats purely....i dont know any un-rude way to describe it.just because u paid for the game doesnt mean u can play it by ruining 20 other ppls fun just to have urs.i wouldnt just kick spawnkillers but ban them forever along with ppl that steal ur vehicles while u heal them and cheaters(3 things i just cant stand in ut3)...no hard feelings but ur statement just blew me off.

titans are un-balance on a stick,they totally ruin the fun.whenever i see 3 titans atk my core i wonder why i even play.

and B0T0X,they are easy to kill just in some very special conditions(in wide open spaces where ground hit cant kill u and u can dodge the rockets) which most titans evade.apart from that...i would like 2 see u kill one (or even better ,2) titans that sit at ur prime in floodgate and kill everyone that enters the building with the node or a titan that sits up at the turret tower in confrontation and kills everyone that jumps up while another guy shoots the vulnerable core(and all the noobs in ur team blow the mantas before u can get one and finish the damn titan)...

the titan is sth made only for the noobies that cant kill anything,so they can enjoy a game harder than other fps(even if they ruin others fun) and not leave it,but i dont even know why someone bothers trying to do something thats way above his level without even trying to get better...

[Lucius2]

the titan is sth made only for the noobies that cant kill anything,so they can enjoy a game harder than other fps(even if they ruin others fun) and not leave it,but i dont even know why someone bothers trying to do something thats way above his level without even trying to get better...

/word

amazing fact: 3 titan war servers, 1 pure (but freakin laggy raptor).

WHY THE ****IN HELL ppl dont play on the pure epic server. played one evening this we on the server with some good ppl and it was so much fun i didnt have the last months. but now ofc when the we is gone everyone goes back to the crappy titan bs. WHY do they play on the laggy raptor one if u can get a less laggy epic server. its 100% of the time empty, i cant get it. CAN SOMEONE ANSWER ME?!?!

[radu1234]

the answear is simple,noobies like titan.also why is raptor so lagy all of the sudden,it used to be a very good server,but since it crashed like a week or 2 ago it became super lagy :((((((((

[Nightmare85]

If you really don't like Titans, then check out the Warfare server in my signature.
I played several times on it the last days and it was great.

Greets

[Danthe57]

also, titan is fun. possiby the other reason, and it can help in stalemates like a TF2 uber charge

[Moloko]

/word

amazing fact: 3 titan war servers, 1 pure (but freakin laggy raptor).

WHY THE ****IN HELL ppl dont play on the pure epic server. played one evening this we on the server with some good ppl and it was so much fun i didnt have the last months. but now ofc when the we is gone everyone goes back to the crappy titan bs. WHY do they play on the laggy raptor one if u can get a less laggy epic server. its 100% of the time empty, i cant get it. CAN SOMEONE ANSWER ME?!?!

Lucius doesn't like em cos they can destroy the tank he's camping in too easy ;) :D

Seriously though, he's right, the gameplay on the non Titan servers seems far better. Tbh, if I transform and insta kill any skilled player through use of ground smash, it feels like a lazy, cheap move. As for the 5 titans at once spawn killing issue, and not being able to get out of the base for ages, well the fact it's even possible turns UT3 Warfare into a farce.

[radu1234]

night,the warfare server doesnt work :((((,nor did i find the #2 server in the server list(only the #3 one).
the vCTF one works...

greets :P

[Bl!tz~]

Another thing is, the Titan isn't done very well, for example visibility.


haha hopefully !
....and if u overuse the titans it just kill yer eyes and makes u ill like on a boat!

[H3i53nb3rg]

lol u just said spawnkilling and haveing greatly unfair advantages over others is the way to go.

No actually I didn't say that, whether it be in a literal sense, implicitly, or as a figure of speech. Next time before you try to be unoriginal by turning around someone else's valid advice against them, make sure you understand what you're arguing against.


now about ur first statement.why do u even play this game if the only thing u can do to get a kill is sit on ur ass till u get titan and then start pressing a button in spawn areas to get kills.thats purely....i dont know any un-rude way to describe it.just because u paid for the game doesnt mean u can play it by ruining 20 other ppls fun just to have urs.i wouldnt just kick spawnkillers but ban them forever along with ppl that steal ur vehicles while u heal them and cheaters(3 things i just cant stand in ut3)...no hard feelings but ur statement just blew me off.

titans are un-balance on a stick,they totally ruin the fun.whenever i see 3 titans atk my core i wonder why i even play.


I hope you realise how ridiculous it is for you to be frothing at the mouth over something I didn't even say. Firstly, at no point did I specify what my personal playing preferences are. So you're just drawing false conclusions in your blind rage without even having comprehended what I've said. Secondly, if you go back and read my post, you'll see that I referred to the general population of players. There are many titan servers where there aren't elitist rules that restrict the use of titans, and they still thrive. From that fact it is clear that many people have no problem with the way titans are currently used. That's all I said but your post demonstrates that you somehow failed to understand.


the titan is sth made only for the noobies that cant kill anything,so they can enjoy a game harder than other fps(even if they ruin others fun) and not leave it,but i dont even know why someone bothers trying to do something thats way above his level without even trying to get better...

This is your problem. You assume that every player of the game is obligated to adopt the same mentality as you and aspire to be an fps god. You ramble on about how titans ruin everyone's fun. But that's a highly inaccurate statement. What you really meant, but failed to articulate, is that titans ruin your fun. Like I said before, the fact is that many servers which don't set elitist rules on titan use are thriving. That clearly shows that a large part of the community are not in agreement with your loaded, not to mention false, conclusions about titans as if they are some kind of disease.

[demoniac]

night,the warfare server doesnt work :((((,nor did i find the #2 server in the server list(only the #3 one).
the vCTF one works...

greets :P

If the server's empty, you won't see it unless you check the box for that. Now people, all join MPUK WAR#2 instead of 1 or 3 and we'll be rid of the titans :D

[Moloko]

haha hopefully !
....and if u overuse the titans it just kill yer eyes and makes u ill like on a boat!

Don't you think that's a deliberately limiting design decision? I mean if they were 1st person view, and the shock wasn't slightly offset, would anyone ever die as a Titan? I personally hate this 3rd person only view creeping into UT from GOW. I even hate it being the only option for the vehicles, but I guess Epic devs wanted everyone to appreciate their admittedly fantastic UT3 vehicle model design.

[radu1234]

i checked both the full and empty boxes and i let it connect over join ip, where after some time said connection failed, even after it said : failed to find a server matching the specified ip or port.do u wish to connect directly(or sth like that)

did u enter it now,if not ,try it,if so....maybe i did sth wrong,but thats unlikely

[radu1234]

pfffff...

I cant stand guys walking in a straight line,getting killed in a sec and then get titan n just shoot randomly n get kills


Btw most of the new guys love to spawnkill. They know by now where are the spawn points. Even if they are at a node that they should attack they wont shoot at it. Just hammer the ground . Even with spawn protection they will get a monster kill.


Riiigghhhttt...ban people because they don't like to play the game the same way as you do.

k now..drunken was clearly refering to ppl that sit and do nothing,or spam a stinger or some rockets till they get a titan,then go with it to a spawn point,go titan and start bashing the ground to kill everybody that spawns or just run around spamming homing rockets ,hoping to hit someone and get some kills.

u were refering to ppl that play the way he said he hates and such ,to generalize,to spawnkillers.since there can only be 2 sides,pro and con spawnkilling,and u state against someone thats con,in my book(titled "The Obvious"),ur pro spawnkilling and so....everything i said is right.


Spawn killing is a way to play the game now?
he understood the same so i'm not the only one.

this world is filled with awkward ppl,i wondered why drunken ceased to reply,now i realise its because this turned yet again in another stupid fight with no conclusion where ppl just talk against one another ignoring any proof and just keeping on their straight path...3rd such fight in which i get involved on this forum so maybe its because of me or maybe because i'm one of the few that keep it up...sry i said anything,i take it bk,lets just stop here...

[Bl!tz~]

Don't you think that's a deliberately limiting design decision? I mean if they were 1st person view, and the shock wasn't slightly offset, would anyone ever die as a Titan? .


sure it is...that s why i said "hopefully" ;troubble vision and no jumpadd use are welcome but...a little light though...to balance the excess of power of the titans....

[Danthe57]

so basically the main problem is not the titans, but rather how certain players use them...

spawn camping is a bannable offense on most servers even before Titans.

[radu1234]

spawnkilling and camping(at node or in special places like tower in confrontation),huge power in enclosed spaces cause of ground hit,huge dmg over core,greatly spammy especially that there are always more than 1 titan in key areas all at the cost of way way waaay to little work and skill.
there are other things with some of those characteristics but all of them have their downside to balance it(deemer can be denied for example),titans dont have any downside its pure unbalanced ...dont take me wrong i said i wont argue anymore and i'm not,i'm just answearing the guy in the previous post.

that how humans are,destructive,u cant stop them from using it the wrong way,u can only take it or some of it away.the problem are not guns,but how ppl use them,the problem are not explosives,but how ppl use them,the problem are not condoms,but how ppl use them(and un-wanted kids appear >.>) ...get the point

well lets pretend epic cant take out the titan cause it pleases...less experienced players that still make them profit just like the titan haters.but at least make them a little less "invulnerable" and skill-free in many situations.if u cant remove titan entirely at least take the ground hit and ability to dmg core or make it much harder to get and u'll shut many of us titan haters up and still please those who like big,mean and skill independent.

[DrUnKenSTeiN]

If spawn killing can get you banned on many servers because you tell the admins to do so and they listen, then what are you whining about? Because whether or not you realise, from what you've just said (first sentence in the above quote), it's apparent that none of the servers you play on, have a spawn killing problem.



I can call an admin n ask for a warning/ban in the titan servers i used to play.Calling an admin 5 or more times each night(prolly more if im after all spawn camper/killers i encounter in titan) isnt my idea of fun though.

I tried to talk to some guys in game n they were laughing about it.Told i would call an admin if they go on spawn camping/killing n they were like: "go ahead n call one".

I'd rather play n have fun than talking in irc with the admins.

[Benfica]

How long is spawn protection? 2 seconds?

[H3i53nb3rg]

u were refering to ppl that play the way he said he hates and such ,to generalize,to spawnkillers.since there can only be 2 sides,pro and con spawnkilling,and u state against someone thats con,in my book(titled "The Obvious"),ur pro spawnkilling and so....everything i said is right.


I pointed out the fact that he disapproved of the way that many people were using titans purely on the basis that such styles do not align with what he perceives as fun. He calls out people for spawn killing with titans because they supposedly ruin everyone's fun but he doesn't even consider the fact that for a lot of people, spawn killing with titans is acutally fun. He only considered what's fun for himself. The problem I had with his post was the fallacious one-way thinking he used, and not with his actual preferences. FYI, I actually prefer servers without titans. But unlike him, I am not blind to the fact that a large portion of the player base enjoy titans as they are - one look at the browser is evidence enough of that.


this world is filled with awkward ppl,i wondered why drunken ceased to reply,now i realise its because this turned yet again in another stupid fight with no conclusion where ppl just talk against one another ignoring any proof and just keeping on their straight path...3rd such fight in which i get involved on this forum so maybe its because of me or maybe because i'm one of the few that keep it up...sry i said anything,i take it bk,lets just stop here...

In terms of whether people are actually fine with the way titans are currently used, the only "proof" you need is in the server browser.

[radu1234]

a) spawnkilling is only fun for 1 person and 1 only,the person that does it.for everyone else its an un-fun and un-fair method or getting killed and playing a game.its a total piece of **** just like the ppl that do it...why do u think its even bannable,cause its fun for the ppl that do it,no,cause its totally un-fun for the ones that get spawnkilled,for everybody else except the spawnkiller...i cant belive what this turned out,make a poll if spawnkilling is fun and u'll see

b)first,raptor,even though its super lagy ,is also always full and second the titan servers are full cause the titan haters arent given any other choice.all servers are titan but if u enter one and ask who likes titans ,many will say no.epic put titan in their servers because it pleases noobs and they are the ones most proned to leave the game.the vets will try to find other means of playing even if its a bad way because they really like the game so epic could neglect them ...thats why we complain(i'm not a vet,i've been playing for far less than a year and only played 2k4 in single many many years ago,but i really like this game so count me in).

[The Demon Slick]

Shoot'em up. Cheers!

[hybridworld]

I'd just like to say..

H3i53nb3rg

Thank you for making my evening so entertaining. your misuse of the english language and reprehensible behaviour towards individuals on this forum was hilarious. your narrow minded and egotistical manner complimented your obviously objective opinion perfectly. i must say that you are definitely 100% right about everything so there is absolutely not point in challenging you.

- Looking forward to your reply

now lets take a look at the current poll!

okay 23
not okay 18
unsure 20
awsome 3
terrible 14

26 for
32 against
20 undecided

im actually surprised; i did not think that the vote would be as close as it is, but at least technically this means titans are unpopular :p the proof is there!

so to get back to the point, imo the biggest problem with titan is the method in which you become titan. this links closely with being able to configure the mod; how titan points are attained[kills,nodes,flags], award points for spawn kill?, how many points are needed to transform, player death resets titan point count?, award team with titan +2 points each upon transform?, etc...

Even after the mutator [hopefully] becomes configurable, Epic still should tweak some settings in their pubs to reflect comments in this topic.

[Cr4zy]

H3i53nb3rg has a e-peen.

Seems to like using big English words to make his point look cooler.

And Titans suck, so i fail to see what the debate is about.

MPUK War servers, will either have it removed. Or made voteable.

[Euxeus]

Everything hybrid says is lies, never trust him. :o

[H3i53nb3rg]

H3i53nb3rg has a e-peen.

Seems to like using big English words to make his point look cooler.

And Titans suck, so i fail to see what the debate is about.

MPUK War servers, will either have it removed. Or made voteable.

And you're myopic. Have you even taken a look at the server browser lately? Or have you been too busy idling on IRC pretending that you're a good admin who's aware of what's going on in your server, even though you rely on players to alert you to problems, most of which you don't address because you're afk? One look at the server browser would've told you that most people have no problem with the way that titans are being used. But being the great admin that you are, the preferences of the general playing population don't matter to you because you'll tell them what they should enjoy right?



im actually surprised; i did not think that the vote would be as close as it is, but at least technically this means titans are unpopular the proof is there!

Thank you for demonstrating your ignorance to statistics. Nevermind the fact that you've erroneously taken a slightly sub 50% vote to mean 'unpopular'. It is idiocy of the highest order to take a forum poll as being representative of the preferences of the general player population since most players don't even come to these forums, let alone register so that they can vote. The server browser shows you without any bias that a very large portion of the player base have no problem with titans, nor the way they are used.


Thank you for making my evening so entertaining. your misuse of the english language and reprehensible behaviour towards individuals on this forum was hilarious. your narrow minded and egotistical manner complimented your obviously objective opinion perfectly. i must say that you are definitely 100% right about everything so there is absolutely not point in challenging you.

If you're going to criticise someone about their "english" (missing the capital kid), make sure you don't make any grammatical mistakes. You're embarassing yourself by making such criticisms whilst you fail to even start sentences with a capital letter, not to mention the way you clumsily throw in every single word you can think of in the hope that they form a comprehensible sentence. Oh and of course an opinion is objective, what do you think an opinion is? Your superfluous statement of such a painfully obvious fact merely reinforces the fact that you're just throwing words together without actually knowing what they mean.

[radu1234]

about the forum poll...it cant be used in court as sole proof ,but i dont see why it couldnt be at least half accurate(considering nobody tries to fake the votes).mostly older players post on the forum,not many total noobies...dunno give me the reason why u think its a total bull**** and i'll agree.
i should tell u that any type of statistic in this world is made based on the answears from only a group of ppl out of the general mass of population the statistic is aimed at...u can rarely ask everybody for oppinion so u have to aim at a smaller group that shares the same characteristics as the mass.

second,i see that ppl on this forum dont care when someone proves their proof is wrong...they just keep on with it(i'm saying ppl on this forum cause i had other altercations with such ppl).is it because u dont read the entire post?is it too big?did u see this part of my previous post? :


b)first,raptor,even though its super lagy ,is also always full and second the titan servers are full cause the titan haters arent given any other choice.all servers are titan but if u enter one and ask who likes titans ,many will say no.epic put titan in their servers because it pleases noobs and they are the ones most proned to leave the game.the vets will try to find other means of playing even if its a bad way because they really like the game so epic could neglect them ...thats why we complain(i'm not a vet,i've been playing for far less than a year and only played 2k4 in single many many years ago,but i really like this game so count me in).

if u didnt read it,do it now it says why the "server browser" is a useless and fake "proof".like i said,go into any epic titan server and ask ppl if they like titan and check the answears...we(titan haters) play on titan server even if we hate titans cause we dont have a choice...or not a better one.i'm sure u've heard a lot of ppl swearing titans when(and if) u played on epic servers even without asking for their oppinion.

sry about the abusive posts from the other.i too consider the usage of such academical words annoying and of bad taste ,but i've noticed this is the way ppl on this forum like to fight over oppinions so i -try- to keep up. ;)

btw,the "i'm not sure" variant is stupid...if ur not sure then dont vote -_-

and now,to pack the crap and mail it,TITANS SUCK.

[hybridworld]

you moron. for a start, i believe an opinion is subjective. not objective. it was sarcastic to call you objective ¬.¬

poll = a poll

ask the players if they like titan and those are the results. im aware that this poll does not represent the newbies, well done, now stop splitting hairs you anal-retentive waste of bandwidth.

checking the server browser is so passive compared to an actual poll, dont you understand that? Someone in this topic has already explained this to you, that if you actually go into a titan server, and ask the players, the majority will be against titan mutator - they are only there because the server is already populated.

but i guess it makes more sense to make assumptions from a server browser than to read actual results from an unofficial poll :/ <-- This is sarcasm again. learn to read poll results please. > 50% = popular, < 50% = unpopular. i also used the term "technically" to avoid confusion for idiots who assume everything is literal. while you are checking your dictionary, check the definition for "majority"

and unless you are grading my posts as part of an award scheme whereby i end up with a certificate of education then PLEASE why does it matter if i use capitals or not? im sure you can understand me so stop all this nitty gritty and petty splitting of hairs just so you can remain on your imaginary high chair. what about my apostrophes??? no complaints about lack of them and any retard can use capital letters :/ - it doesnt make you ASMART!11!

anyway we are talking about TITANS here, so we better get back to ME embarressing MYself shall we ;) its sad that this discussion has been reduced to this.......


so to get back to the point, imo the biggest problem with titan is the method in which you become titan. this links closely with being able to configure the mod; how titan points are attained[kills,nodes,flags], award points for spawn kill?, how many points are needed to transform, player death resets titan point count?, award team with titan +2 points each upon transform?, etc...

Even after the mutator [hopefully] becomes configurable, Epic still should tweak some settings in their pubs to reflect comments in this topic.

[radu1234]

lol hybrid ...eeeasy.

oh and btw i forgot to say the the other poll about titans (http://utforums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=683646) also got more votes for removal of titans(and also take in consideration the fact that many of the ppl that dont like titans might have voted for adrenaline instead of neither so those votes were lost or there wouldve been much more votes for neither).titans give much more advantages than adrenaline so i'm sure the ones that voted for adrenaline wouldnt have voted titan in case they didnt have the adren option...umm...hope i made sense >.>

[Liol54]

you moron. for a start, i believe an opinion is subjective. not objective. it was sarcastic to call you objective ¬.¬

Pure pwnage - but shouldn't that "objective opinion" make it an oxymoron?

[hybridworld]

^^ i see what you mean radu1234, if adrenaline wasnt in the poll then its likely that even more people would have voted for "nothing/neither" rather than titan. still, this poll can be interpreted differently and is a bit vaguer than the one on this thread, but tbh you cant really argue with those numbers!

"pure pwnage" isnt an oxymoron since these words are not opposites... for example saying "microsoft works" is a nice oxymoron ;) sorry if you meant another phrase

[LLonewolf]

Bah titansmut is retarded, especially when newbies (no offense) only try to get some killing spree (using the camp/spawnkilling way) they can't get when they aren't titan.
Warfare was so much fun months ago when the titan-mut wasn't released, i remember "epic" games with vets and newbies and all anyway. Now it's about fill up titan gauge ( spawnkill, vehicule laming) ran to the spawnpoint and press "use", or destroy a core in 30 sec with sometimes a "usekey" press.... Ow yeeeeah fuuuun as hell. Just retard imo.

When then die, humm what can they do...hummm... just do it the same, that's what they used to do.

About titan server, yeah sometimes we join titan servers coz we haven't other server with good ping to play. Strange that since the titan pack has been released, the non titan servers have crappy pings (at least for me, before 70-90 most of the time; now 120-180).

To sum titan is good for greed but definitively not for ctf/warfare, either it's lame.

[Liol54]

"pure pwnage" isnt an oxymoron since these words are not opposites... for example saying "microsoft works" is a nice oxymoron ;) sorry if you meant another phrase



"Objective(factual)opinion" is the oxymoron ...doh! c'mon hybrid keep up boy :D The pwnage was over H3i5 ;)

[Cr4zy]

So now it's on a personal level of my admining... right.....

I can tell you right now. I DO play this game, I DO go to admin calls if someone else doesn't and im not doing something else. I DO know how titans are being used and believe it or not some players find Titans annoying, a pain, skilless and lame, especially when players spawn camp with them.

As a result people DO care how titans are being used, and how they affect the game. Because otherwise this thread wouldn't be here...

I don't tell people what they should or should not enjoy, youve just made another assumption.. One which is completely incorrect.

I also admin in IRC, I don't just sit around watching servers all day, because i have other things to do, along with the other admins i work with. This isn't the only game i admin, or play for that matter. Along with the publics i also have pickup servers to deal with. So before you go and say something make sure it's right...

[hybridworld]

"Objective(factual)opinion" is the oxymoron ...doh! c'mon hybrid keep up boy :D The pwnage was over H3i5 ;)

ah i fail! yeah you are right :D only looked in the last few posts :x

its easy to blame the admin, but the problem with the "!admin" command is that the R3port3r mutator which notifies the administrator is extremely laggy. The admins are usually present but its difficult for them to react in time unless they are already there.

[H3i53nb3rg]

you moron. for a start, i believe an opinion is subjective. not objective. it was sarcastic to call you objective ¬.¬

You were in error to describe my opinion as being objective in the first place. It's obvious that not one single view presented in a discussion of this nature would be objective. So your 'sarcasm' doesn't justify your misuse of the word.



poll = a poll

ask the players if they like titan and those are the results. im aware that this poll does not represent the newbies, well done, now stop splitting hairs you anal-retentive waste of bandwidth.

checking the server browser is so passive compared to an actual poll, dont you understand that? Someone in this topic has already explained this to you, that if you actually go into a titan server, and ask the players, the majority will be against titan mutator - they are only there because the server is already populated.

If spawn killing with titans is really hated as much as you claim, people would've just join the non-titan servers and wait for a few minutes for a torrent of fellow titan-haters to join them to populate. That, or they just wouldn't play at all. But the fact is, titan servers are still thriving. Why's that? Don't tell me it's because people enjoy playing what they loathe.


but i guess it makes more sense to make assumptions from a server browser than to read actual results from an unofficial poll :/ <-- This is sarcasm again. learn to read poll results please. > 50% = popular, < 50% = unpopular. i also used the term "technically" to avoid confusion for idiots who assume everything is literal. while you are checking your dictionary, check the definition for "majority"

Tell me, how does a poll which the vast majority of player base doesn't respond to, represent how the general population of players feel about titans?


and unless you are grading my posts as part of an award scheme whereby i end up with a certificate of education then PLEASE why does it matter if i use capitals or not? im sure you can understand me so stop all this nitty gritty and petty splitting of hairs just so you can remain on your imaginary high chair. what about my apostrophes??? no complaints about lack of them and any retard can use capital letters :/ - it doesnt make you ASMART!11!


Do you not recall that it was you who decided to come into this thread and act like the grammar police? I was merely insulting the hypocrisy of your criticisms.

[Nightmare85]

I always do the same mistake.
I just join the Warfare titan servers because there are a lot of players there.
It sucks when players kill you by pressing R and E.
Is that skill? Not really.
And it becomes often impossible to win the match as soon as the first guys become titans.

Greets

[hybridworld]

oh hai

You were in error to describe my opinion as being objective in the first place. It's obvious that not one single view presented in a discussion of this nature would be objective. So your 'sarcasm' doesn't justify your misuse of the word.
well done you missed the whole point entirely


If spawn killing with titans is really hated as much as you claim, people would've just join the non-titan servers and wait for a few minutes for a torrent of fellow titan-haters to join them to populate. That, or they just wouldn't play at all. But the fact is, titan servers are still thriving. Why's that? Don't tell me it's because people enjoy playing what they loathe.
first of all, i never actually said anything about spawnkilling. That was other guys. learn to read.
secondly, we do start non-titan servers, and on the latest free weekend it was very successful, but you have to consider the mindset of an average gamer: he browses servers and joins the one with the most players because he does not want to sit and wait.
and yes, this is exactly what we are trying to tell you; people are being forced to either play something they "loathe" [i prefer dislike - less rhetoric], sit in a server feeling bored by themselves for an uncertain amount of time, or leave the game.



Tell me, how does a poll which the vast majority of player base doesn't respond to, represent how the general population of players feel about titans?
can you tell me what colour the sky is too? im not quite sure myself :[ is it purple? i think it might be green.
this is a sample population. its supposed to represent the general view. And yes newbies visit this forum.


Do you not recall that it was you who decided to come into this thread and act like the grammar police? I was merely insulting the hypocrisy of your criticisms.
Nope i don't recall. i came to this thread and made a post on page 3. you ignored it, only taking notice of the one i made about you. you ignored other posts and made it seem like only your opinion was correct by ridiculing others.

i only made this particular post because i had kept track of your comments since my own, and i have to say for the most part you are wrong. and have been proven wrong.. and where you are not wrong, you are being petty and overcomplicating things with words that you can't expect everyone to understand, especially as they dont speak english as a first language. Your acting smart with big words is actually kinda dumb when you consider its to a multilingual audience.

wriggle wriggle

[Ga-Reef]

If spawn killing with titans is really hated as much as you claim, people would've just join the non-titan servers and wait for a few minutes for a torrent of fellow titan-haters to join them to populate. That, or they just wouldn't play at all. But the fact is, titan servers are still thriving. Why's that? Don't tell me it's because people enjoy playing what they loathe.


I try to join the non-Titan severs on a daily basis, sometimes on a rare occasion I get lucky and I get to play UT3 mutator free, but 9 times out of 10 it's usually just me and the 'Harkin bros.' waiting for anyone at all to join. In other cases it's about the ping, The Angry Old Farts server was my favorite warfare server, in fact it was the only one besides Pacy's 'No teleportation' Server which allowed me to ping below 100+ and was lag free for me. Though now as you guessed AGOF slapped a bit ol' Titan mutator on itself, so now what? I can either play with the Titans without the extra challenge of lag or on another non-Titan server somewhere on the East Coast with a 150+ ping. Go figure I'll join the Titan enabled server, I can at least fight back with responsiveness but it's not what I want. Is it just me or do the Titan enabled servers outnumber the non-Titan servers? At least with players populating them, I think they do.

[nkvd3941]

Titans are good in small doses - very small doses.
In fact dose of clap springs to mind when i think of Titans.

Titan-less Greed is good, and Betryal is better - but the Titans are awful; tho not bad in Suspense etc, when their power can be sort of matched.

[BlackRosie]

just leave reatarded titan servers and join pickups... or at least try to fill those pure epic 32 or MPUK 24 like last time. TBFH i had normal pub game few days ago for very first time this summer. I want my 1.0 version back.

There is one good thing i can say about titans - they forced me to play more dm. Thanks now im ready to play normal warfare again.

[mega_d0peman]

I don't feel good or bad about the titans, but getting that ASSASSIN sure feels good visually and audially, kinda like the Bullseye announcement used to get me erotically aroused back in the day :)

[H3i53nb3rg]

secondly, we do start non-titan servers, and on the latest free weekend it was very successful, but you have to consider the mindset of an average gamer: he browses servers and joins the one with the most players because he does not want to sit and wait.
and yes, this is exactly what we are trying to tell you; people are being forced to either play something they "loathe" [i prefer dislike - less rhetoric], sit in a server feeling bored by themselves for an uncertain amount of time, or leave the game.


I love your use of the loaded word "forced". No one is "forced" to do anything. People have a choice. They don't have to play if they don't want to because they *gasp* have things outside of UT3 they can do. All you've posted is pure speculation. You don't know that most "newbies" would stay on a server if they hated what was on it. Nevermind the fact that it defies logic and common sense that people would stay on a server they didn't like when they've got other options (like not playing UT3:eek:).



this is a sample population. its supposed to represent the general view. And yes newbies visit this forum.


What you're doing is tantamount to saying that based on the responses of (at best) 5% of the player base, you can say without any uncertainty, what the entire player base wants. Please explain the logic of that.



Nope i don't recall. i came to this thread and made a post on page 3. you ignored it, only taking notice of the one i made about you. you ignored other posts and made it seem like only your opinion was correct by ridiculing others.

The point still stands that you dish out criticisms of other people's grammar but start frothing at the mouth when your fundamental grammatical flaws are pointed out.



i only made this particular post because i had kept track of your comments since my own, and i have to say for the most part you are wrong. and have been proven wrong.. and where you are not wrong, you are being petty and overcomplicating things with words that you can't expect everyone to understand, especially as they dont speak english as a first language. Your acting smart with big words is actually kinda dumb when you consider its to a multilingual audience.


No one has been able to disprove my assertion that a large portion of the player base like titans the way they currently are. The best that anyone's been able to come up with is a lot of speculation, misuse of statistics and scripted anecdotal evidence to draw false conclusions. Also, what's with your plebian mentality? It's like you have a grudge against anyone with an education. Your reference to the multilingual audience is irrelevant. Bear in mind that if someone is proficient enough in English to post here, they'd more or less understand everything that's been said. How is me using "words" which would me familiar to a high school student any more confusing than your inappropriate use of "its" in place of "it's"?

[radu1234]

k ,H3i53nb3rg,ur bringing this argue on a whole new level of ...stupidity.k ,dont understand how u got ur..."education" cause u surely dont quite use ur head when u post.


I love your use of the loaded word "forced". No one is "forced" to do anything. People have a choice. They don't have to play if they don't want to because they *gasp* have things outside of UT3 they can do. All you've posted is pure speculation. You don't know that most "newbies" would stay on a server if they hated what was on it. Nevermind the fact that it defies logic and common sense that people would stay on a server they didn't like when they've got other options (like not playing UT3).

k ,now ,commenting this is weird...u payed for the game right?and u argue against ppl that like titan to be eliminated because that would ruin ur fun and chances to get a kill.we(titan haters) payed for the game(more or less money than u,but thats irrelevant) and such we have the right to complain when the game loses the fun it had that determined us to buy the game,when this fun dissappears because of epics alteration of the game.yes,we dont lose our lives if we quit playing,but we paid for it.some of us might have even bought a new(and better) computer just to be able to run this game.some might have passed through some difficulties to buy it,some might just love the game very very much.some of us just stole it ¬.¬...it doesnt matter,but we all paid for it(the ones that stole it passed through the risk of getting caught) so we have the right to enjoy it,not just leave and find sth else to do just cause epic ruined the fun.

that would be the logical and legal way to prove we have the right to enjoy the game and not leave it just cause some incompetent ,useless ,social destructive(oh they try to be as annoying and destructive in the real world as well,be sure of that ) morrons ruin it with the egocentrical,skill-free,brain-free,stupidity-full way of playing.the more common response would be...fuk u,i play this game just like u do,why should u get ur fun and i shouldnt ,i protest...


What you're doing is tantamount to saying that based on the responses of (at best) 5% of the player base, you can say without any uncertainty, what the entire player base wants. Please explain the logic of that.

pff.is it so hard for ur proly education saturated brain to understand that u cant ask everybody for their oppinions.u need a focus group for every statistics u make.this focus group are the ppl that visit this forum and post...the ppl that most likely have anything to do with this game,the ppl that are more implicated in the game than just occasinaly play it and thats all.why does the forum have a poll if its useless?just for show?didnt the programmers have anything better to do and they said:"hey,why not add a poll,it would be useless anyway but we finished our work to fast and we'll get bored sitting at home watching tv or fuking [insert name(s) here] " ¬.¬ .


No one has been able to disprove my assertion that a large portion of the player base like titans the way they currently are. The best that anyone's been able to come up with is a lot of speculation, misuse of statistics and scripted anecdotal evidence to draw false conclusions. Also, what's with your plebian mentality? It's like you have a grudge against anyone with an education. Your reference to the multilingual audience is irrelevant. Bear in mind that if someone is proficient enough in English to post here, they'd more or less understand everything that's been said. How is me using "words" which would me familiar to a high school student any more confusing than your inappropriate use of "its" in place of "it's"?

...
do u use the technique:ignore all their "proof",keep going on with urs even if its proven irrelevant and useless and they'll soon just think ur stupid and leave u alone ? cause its sure as hell working.

[tw.ed.uk]

I think it would be fair to say that option 3 is neutral, options 2 & 5 are negative towards Titans, while options 1 and 4 are positive towards titans. So based on the poll results as I write this, we have:

Neutral - 25.84%
Negative - 43.82%
Positive - 30.34%

Discounting the neutrals, it shows that more who read this forum dislike Titans than like them. Regardless of which way you lean, I think that Titans are a bad thing because they divide the UT3 playerbase further.

[kingovscots]

I love your use of the loaded word "forced". No one is "forced" to do anything. People have a choice. They don't have to play if they don't want to because they *gasp* have things outside of UT3 they can do. All you've posted is pure speculation. You don't know that most "newbies" would stay on a server if they hated what was on it. Nevermind the fact that it defies logic and common sense that people would stay on a server they didn't like when they've got other options (like not playing UT3:eek:).



What you're doing is tantamount to saying that based on the responses of (at best) 5% of the player base, you can say without any uncertainty, what the entire player base wants. Please explain the logic of that.



The point still stands that you dish out criticisms of other people's grammar but start frothing at the mouth when your fundamental grammatical flaws are pointed out.



No one has been able to disprove my assertion that a large portion of the player base like titans the way they currently are. The best that anyone's been able to come up with is a lot of speculation, misuse of statistics and scripted anecdotal evidence to draw false conclusions. Also, what's with your plebian mentality? It's like you have a grudge against anyone with an education. Your reference to the multilingual audience is irrelevant. Bear in mind that if someone is proficient enough in English to post here, they'd more or less understand everything that's been said. How is me using "words" which would me familiar to a high school student any more confusing than your inappropriate use of "its" in place of "it's"?

dude you do talk a load of twaddle, i am sure your word might make you feel clever, but seriously you have outdone yourself "your the man oh for sure" all hail the numbers and letters guys were not worthy:eek:

[H3i53nb3rg]

pff.is it so hard for ur proly education saturated brain to understand that u cant ask everybody for their oppinions.u need a focus group for every statistics u make.this focus group are the ppl that visit this forum and post...the ppl that most likely have anything to do with this game,the ppl that are more implicated in the game than just occasinaly play it and thats all.why does the forum have a poll if its useless?just for show?didnt the programmers have anything better to do and they said:"hey,why not add a poll,it would be useless anyway but we finished our work to fast and we'll get bored sitting at home watching tv or fuking [insert name(s) here] " ¬.¬ .

So now you're saying that opinions of people who "occasionally play" don't matter because they're not as "implicated in the game", even though they form the vast majority of the player base. I can now see why you're the master of building communities. As for why a function to create polls exist on this forum, they are there to gauge the views of the forum community, which form only a minority of the player base and so can't be taken to reflect what the entire player base wants.


do u use the technique:ignore all their "proof",keep going on with urs even if its proven irrelevant and useless and they'll soon just think ur stupid and leave u alone ? cause its sure as hell working.

There has been no "proof" presented to support the notion that the vast majority of the player base dislike titans. Speculation, scripted anecdotes and fallacious use of statistics aren't proof. What is proof, is how many people are actually playing on the titan servers compared to the non-titan servers.

[hybridworld]

H3i53nb3rg im gonna ignore most of what you said cos its too ignorant and stupid and i cant actually take you seriously anymore. however about this part about polls and voting.. im guessing you live in a democracy? represented by a small number of individuals (which is definitely <5% of the country)? so either stop complaining about this voting thing and accept that the majority of this sample ut population do not like titan or go live in a dictatorship and stop being such a hypocrit.

You care more about an "education" than the actual topic at hand 0_0
does someone have a tissue pls? im frothing at the mouth and cant stop cos im just soooooo angry because i cant use apostrophes or capital letters :[ its making a mess.. yeah your point still stands against me not using capitals... lol well done... have a coconut

so getting back to the point... there are newbies who play this game, and im betting that some of them dont even know what a warfare match is [supposed to be] like without titans. so before anyone can even ask a newbie if he likes titans or not you have to make sure he's actually played without them.. this also ties in closely with Drunkenstein's point about "titans are not UT" which is true, and people will leave this game and remember it as "the titan game". ofc i assume this will also apply to some other gamemodes such as [v]ctf and greed, which are quite fun without the titans..

edit: yep sure there's been "no proof" only the evidence which you ignore since it would not be allowed in a court of law. yet no one else seems to have a problem understand the statistics here..

"scripted anecdotes" lololol.... so witness testimony doesnt count either... WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM US?!?!

[kingovscots]

H3i53nb3rg and everyone else the game is about fun and enjoying ones self there are servers with and without titan in it, so its your choice and this convo is getting a little repetative, your not gonna get anywhere unless someone dies, its not going to get anywhere unless you try to be a little open minded H3i53nb3rg you seem stuborn with your views and set in your ways and your discussions are not enlightening us in any way, please try and give up more information on your hipothisis, because i cant make heads nor tails of what message your trying to get across to us.

[Benfica]

Ok, here goes more fuel to the fire. :p heisen is derailing now, but look where it started:

If thats what they think ut is = my choice not to play with them IS what i want. Warn them n ban them imo(im being TOO much polite here-else i would have been banned for life)

Riiigghhhttt...ban people because they don't like to play the game the same way as you do. Or rather, they play in such a way that doesn't let your superior skills shine through. Elitism at its best.


Some people's arguments against Titan seem to be along the lines of "noobs like Titan, so the Titan is bad" or that players should be banned because they don't frag "politely". :p However only a few guys are suggesting changes and improvements

[H3i53nb3rg]

...its not going to get anywhere unless you try to be a little open minded H3i53nb3rg you seem stuborn with your views and set in your ways and your discussions are not enlightening us in any way...

If you characterise my posts in this thread as being narrowminded then you haven't been reading them. I've stated previously that I prefer servers without titans but I am not blind to the fact that a large portion of the player base enjoy them. So if a server I'm on happens to have titans then I just play the game instead of whining about those mean and scary titans. On the other hand, the girls responding to me have simply been crying and saying 'ban titans because they ruin my fun, I don't care that most players (not forum posters) are happy with titans they way they currently are.'


H3i53nb3rg im gonna ignore most of what you said cos its too ignorant and stupid and i cant actually take you seriously anymore. however about this part about polls and voting.. im guessing you live in a democracy? represented by a small number of individuals (which is definitely <5% of the country)? so either stop complaining about this voting thing and accept that the majority of this sample ut population do not like titan or go live in a dictatorship and stop being such a hypocrit.

Fallacy at its best. Your political analogy doesn't apply here because for one thing, you're not an authority figure who can make decisions for the entire player base.



"scripted anecdotes" lololol.... so witness testimony doesnt count either... WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM US?!?!

In the real world, individual testimonies don't have direct and tangible consequences for the entire population. So again, your analogy is flawed and not applicable as we are talking about what the entire player population wants. What you really need is real proof, which like I said before is reflected by the numbers in the server browser.

Edit: Fixed the third word in the first sentence under the second quote.

[kingovscots]

why should i read what doesnt make sense and is narrowminded, you have no facts or bases on anything, just your word and that doesnt really inform me of anything new i dont already know, so what do you have?

[H3i53nb3rg]

why should i read what doesnt make sense and is narrowminded, you have no facts or bases on anything, just your word and that doesnt really inform me of anything new i dont already know, so what do you have?

Right, so you conclude that posts which (by your own admission) you can't understand, are narrowminded. Let me break it down simply for you. I join and stay on servers with or without titans. I join and stay on servers with or without spawn killers. Moreover, in doing so, I never whine about the playing styles of others. If you think that kind of approach to gaming is narrowminded, then you need to look up the word in a dictionary.

[kingovscots]

oh my your so typical and fall for it everytime owned!! lol

[kingovscots]

anyway i think i will make my server voteable for the titan just so people have a choice......

[Cr4zy]

Arguing on the Internet...

You all know where that story ends.

[radu1234]

lol ,this turned into a gentle "up yours ,a$$hole " difference of oppinion


There has been no "proof" presented to support the notion that the vast majority of the player base dislike titans. Speculation, scripted anecdotes and fallacious use of statistics aren't proof. What is proof, is how many people are actually playing on the titan servers compared to the non-titan servers.

maybe u can understand if i give u an example:u sell cookies and ...cookies.i hate cookies,but i'm very hungry.i buy cookies from u cause u have the only shop in the world.does that mean i like cookies ?! oh oh pick me pick me:ummmm... NO!

the same with the servers.the only servers playable , unlaggy and populated are epic ones and raptor ,for a vast (almost entire) majority of players(eu mostly) (only know in warfare).the epic ones have titan because noobs like it and epic wants them to stay(by noobs i mean anybody with not enough skill to frag normally nor decency to learn cause the way titans get u kills is not decent lets be honest here,it doesnt involve anything but pressing 2 or 3 buttons for the amount of dmg it does).since ut3 is harder than other games,these ppl tend to pile up.raptor is most of the time lagy or full and the epic ones have titan.so we have 1 option of 4 to play what we want,and that option hangs by a string.wtf do u want titan haters to do but play what they dont like(titans) just to get a bit of what they like(ut3)?leaving game is not an option.we have equal rights of having fun in this game.


So now you're saying that opinions of people who "occasionally play" don't matter because they're not as "implicated in the game", even though they form the vast majority of the player base. I can now see why you're the master of building communities. As for why a function to create polls exist on this forum, they are there to gauge the views of the forum community, which form only a minority of the player base and so can't be taken to reflect what the entire player base wants.

i'm saying its basicly impossible to ask everybody for their oppinion ,so we ask the ones that have stronger ties to the object of discussion.when u get sick,u dont know what medication the entire population of the planet would sugest u to take,but u ask a doctor, not a begger because he has stronger ties to ur problem...this analogy is retarded ,but maybe u'll understand it better this way...dunno how i should make u understand anymore so i try everything.

excuse any mistakes,i tend to make mistakes when i hurry up and i didnt re-read it cause i have to go buy sth to eat for the movie or all the shops will close down(its 00:00) ...and then ====>Fight Club<==== :P

[Benfica]

Regardless of his tone, I have to agree with part of heisen's ramblings. It seems that we both get annoyed with arguments like this:

because noobs like it and epic wants them to stay(by noobs i mean anybody with not enough skill to frag normally nor decency to learn
...
wtf do u want titan haters to do but play what they dont like(titans) just to get a bit of what they like(ut3)?leaving game is not an option.we have equal rights of having fun in this game.
Equal rights. I see. However you are considering noobs less capable, not decent and so on.

This is what I had to say on other threads:

I'm also surprised to see people raving about etiquette, but on another thread are eager to blame "n00bs", consider their preferences irrelevant and use "skill" to make their own arguments more credible

... the orb and the chat log are "anti-noob"... If thousands of players have a game against themselves, they don't play it! Again, they fixed it with Titan and Greed gametype where new guys may get owned but it's a team game where the team behaves like a team.
The game and specially 0rbfare was being taken too seriously. Sometimes on the chat log, there's more agressivity inside the team towards the clueless guy that picks up the orb and dies or goes to the node that the tip announcer suggests, than smack talk and flaming the enemy!

Note: the orb isn't a big deal by itself, but what makes it really bad is it's use on every stock map, too much reliance on it to allow comebacks and then small maps and lack of nodes. In the beginning, because it would make a player shine and stand out, there wasn't really a strong opposition or was at least an uphill battle to point out it's flaws. There's a no-orb mutator, but there wasn't a single server using it. Unlike the titan haters, we didn't have a choice and you had lots of people against even giving us a choice! Guys that used to be polite and liked playing UT2004 in pubs and with new players, suddenly became extremely rude towards other guys that otherwise they would love to play with;or became PUG refugees because they couldn't stand what was going on. Then to make it worse, when I and others tried to point out the problems, even the anti-UT200x crowd called me an orb hater or told me to deal with it when UT2004 had nothing to do with any of this!

Anyway, on the war Titan servers it's way different:

* experienced people are not dependent of someone clueless carrying the orb, they can become Titan and transform near the opponents and/or node. Or stay behind defending if the orb delivery wasn't successful. Or having a very effective support role, transforming and clearing while the OC caps.
* if I get owned, at least I try my best to die close to the node. With luck it kill the orb carrier that was locking the node, destroy the node or both.
* an experienced player can defend the prime on his own evern without a tank, without any vehicle. He has a better chance now.
* any player carrying the orb will get owned by any Titan 1v1. no point on blaming others if it happens to me too. The orb doesn't give so many guarantees and it means that experienced players will start to adapt and fight for nodes in a ONSish fashion.

That's why I have much more fun with Titans ingame that reduces the responsabily of a successful orb delivery, even if the opponent is spawn killing me. It's the opposing team that frustates me, before could be my own! Even we are screwed by being spawn killed at the base, there's solidarity inside the team.

Only part of the community tried to revert this problem or kept having etiquette (http://utforums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=682158) towards the guy that didn't know where to go or asked wtf the orb was for. Therefore I agree with or at least understand the ones that defend changes, more populated non-Titan servers, make the mutator configurable or reduce the ground pounding and core damage, figure out ways to reduce spawn killing. Whatever it takes to keep the game enjoyable for everyone and prevent frustration. But for the ones that keep writing Orb starting with uppercase and n00b in lower, I say: it's also your fault, you asked for it.

[bclagge]

Regardless of his tone, I have to agree with part of heisen's ramblings.

^This, and I would hardly call them ramblings. His arguments are clear, concise, logical and easy to read thanks to proper spelling and punctuation.

Fact is, people play what they want to play. If the Titan servers are the ones that are populated, then it's safe to say people want to play with the Titan - or they wouldn't be doing something they don't want to do. Now, if you truly hate the Titan, then go play in a server that doesn't have the Titan. They do exist. The problem I guess you have is that no one is on them. That should tell you something.

[Sanch3z]

WAR-DeathDome by Noot and Dakilla is quite fun with the titan :)

[JPINATOR]

Titans are only good in Greed.. my opinion

[B0T0X]

Fact is, people play what they want to play. If the Titan servers are the ones that are populated, then it's safe to say people want to play with the Titan - or they wouldn't be doing something they don't want to do. Now, if you truly hate the Titan, then go play in a server that doesn't have the Titan. They do exist. The problem I guess you have is that no one is on them. That should tell you something.

I don't really care about Titan either way but I'm not so sure about the relationship between player count and mutator popularity... People choose servers based on a lot of things... Ping... Pure or not... Population... The three Ps lol. Anyway, I played non-Titan vCTF on the TAW server last night and we had like 20 guys.

I don't think the popularity of the mut. or lack thereof boils down to only player counts on servers.

[radu1234]

Equal rights. I see. However you are considering noobs less capable, not decent and so on.

i didnt call them less capable,maybe they are capable but they still feel like bashing the ground in a spawn point .i called them less decent and i specified in the brackets to which noobs i refer to.there are noobs that actually want to get better(and do get better) ,learn and put actul good and normal questions(i dont see the "whats the shiny ball" a good question cause ,at least in my point,when u do something-come online to play with others-,u should first get an idea of what ur doing-play one single player match to knows whats the game eaten with-...but thats off topic) and noobs that just use the capabilities titans give to frag...ooor the "noobs" that know how to play and have experience,but still like to spawnkill cause it makes them more...manly ¬.¬

and about the orb problem (Orb :P )...i dont see it quite a problem.u can get a node in 1 shot,but for this,u become the supreme target of the entire opposite team and u have to deliver a shiny spinning ball that says: "heeey,i'm here shoot mem, shoot me, plsssss" in "the heart of the enemy base"(current spawn point) while the entire enemy team see u on the map...oh and u cant use vehicles,only taxi which is more dangerous cause if ur shot,u lost ur shot.also u have to kill the orb carrier that might be guarding the node(in most cases,especialy when enemy has ur prime,someone is guarding the node).i've seen just as many,if not even more denied deliveries than succesfull ones and i know its not that easy to deliver an orb(in maps like torlan/dusk its easy to get a side one when opponents have both ,but...thats about it).its both a good offence weapon cause it can take a node in 1 shot and a defense one cause u can hold a node safe in an eventul atk over a node,or keep it undamaged from atks comming from places hard to reach (in confrontation).so the orb basicly gives equal to what it takes.its hard to put it to good use and if u drop it,it can be blown and ur back to 0 again.but u have a bug working in ur favor so... :P

EDIT: didnt check my other posts but maybe i did call them incapable.it was a rude observation,if they dont show it...usually what u see is what u get.

[hybridworld]

I join and stay on servers with or without titans. I join and stay on servers with or without spawn killers. Moreover, in doing so, I never whine about the playing styles of others. If you think that kind of approach to gaming is narrowminded, then you need to look up the word in a dictionary.

i dont play games as a chore, and i would rather enjoy myself than add to false "stats" [if you consider the server player numbers as FACT for popularity]. Of course i will play on a titan server if i feel like spamming, but i still think the mutator should be made completely configurable. The thing is, you seem happy with the way they are right now :/

last night we had some great low ping games on the tasty 20 slot multiplay warfare server with custom + popular maps, and no titan. Server was even full for war-valley - and usually custom maps empties the server. honestly, i had forgotton what low ping non titan warfare was like - it was so much more fun

Later i popped in to spec the raptor server, which did not have titan enabled and is usually full, 36/36. However its ultimately laggy, since Epic decided to make a titan mutator instead of reinstate multi-core server support [included on version 1.0]. I saw many players were complaining of their ping of 200+, but were happy there was no titan. so i said hey, lets go play in this other non titan server, and 4-5 people switched server to it and oh my god, we had no more ping problems, and enjoyable games straight away!

Im sure more people would have joined the MP server if it supported more than 20 players.

As for the orb, at least we still have UT2k4 to go back to - and its still quite popular afaik. imagine if they had added an orb mutator to the majority of 2k4 servers over a year after it was released? more importantly not votable! 2k4 vets would have been sooo angry... and complained... and said "this is not ut!" but i guess in this case H3i53nb3rg would have defended the orb ^^

i see titans as epic's get out of jail free card. many people left the game at the beginning because of the laggy servers and the bugs, and titans were an invention to bring more players back in. but as far as im concerned, titans are still beta or at least not a final release. i would have preferred to see all the bugs fixed in 2.0 rather than have this extra content. you cant build on on buggy foundations :/ even the new gametypes are pretty much dead now. i think if the game didnt have so many bugs there would be more players, the bugs and lag make things too chaotic.. also remember some of the players who left could still be here now.

I would love to see the results of having more servers where people can vote for titan mutator, so good job kingovscots and crazybastard. im glad to see some people understand what voting is all about.

[radu1234]

server population isnt an argument.ppl choose servers based on other criterias that actually influence if they can play or not:ping,number of players.u cant play if u have a high ping or there are only 2 ppl on the server ,but u can with titans even if it ruins most of the fun.thats why ppl prefer titans over 200+ ping or having to wait half an hour for players to gather up.

[Benfica]

Regardless of what I said, it may surprise you that I agree. The problem that I see is not spawn killing, spamming, no skill required or something else annoying, but obviously is how often that happens. None of these frustrates me, but I like alternatives and change of pace.

I know that spawn killing can be a pain in the butt, but you bet I'll attack the base and spawn kill if I have to. Not when they have already lost to get cheap frags, but to finish the core or to delay them and make it easier for our node builders and defenders. Be sure that I play for my team, not the opponent.

But then, what changes do you suggest to reduce spawn killing? And please, don't bring back the noob and ban arguments again.

[radu1234]

well,even if its not what u refered to,i didnt say anything about normal spawnkilling.thats not lame,if u can stay in their base and survive waves of incoming fully armed enemyes that spawn with spawn protection,then u have all the right to spawnkill,hell i'll give u the victory cause ur too good,but such spawnkillers never survive more than 10 secs,not even that much...the ones that blow the orb actually do more dmg cause it'll delay the enemy more.its harder to kill them if they have a vehicle ,but its still harder to spawnkill that way and requires some skill,rather than just pressing a button.

so what changes to reduce titan spawnkilling ?if not remove titan cause,lets say some ppl just like them >.> ,then remove ground hit.thats what makes them so hard to take down when they spawnkill.without that,they'll be dead in less than 15 secs,20 for more experienced players >.>.ground hit makes it the time it takes them to get to behemoth +30 secs in behemoth mode...a huge delay.

also make it impossible for them to dmg core and make them much harder to get to(harder to gather points for titan)...or just limit the number of possible transformation per match to 1,2 w/e .make titan configurable at least,just like hybrid said if not remove it because some like it.

all of the changes mentioned would still permit the tactical advantages u mentioned in ur post and it would make them far less of a killjoy.

if they cant remove it,at least balance it a little...removing it would be just perfect though :P

[Benfica]

The only thing I can say I hate about titans is how they waste a core so quickly with those rockets. Then explode by it's side and the game is over

[The Demon Slick]

I died last night around twenty times with a full titan meter, and it never occured to me to transform. When we got eprime, and we got it locked with the orb, you bet your a$$ I grabbed a manta, went to core, and hear my roar. Shame on them for not stopping us, not shame on me for strategically using an element of the game to get my team the win. Cheers!

[Thigor]

To all the people saying "just kill them" clearly you have never played Kargo with a behemoth inside the spawn room

[mtv2004]

i rarely play on a titan server because the titan mutar is mostly retarded..........I'm hoping they turn off that mutator on their vctf server :)

[bclagge]

To all the people saying "just kill them" clearly you have never played Kargo with a behemoth inside the spawn room

Yeah, Kargo is a map that should never, EVER, be on a Titan server.

[radu1234]

lol,i'd say it should never by anywhere on WAR or vCTF ...dont know its impact on other gametypes. >.>

[gwenthar]

Being a long warfare player i can only say its a horrible addition to warfare.I stay far away from titan warfare servers,too bad its 9/10 all titan servers now mpuk/epic should have normal servers imo..not the titan crap.

With titans you never learn how to play normally and just rely on a superhuman behomoth to spam self aiming rockets at people.Takes the skill out of the game.

[radu1234]

alriiight,gather up ppl,maybe in the end they'll remove the titan from at least half of the epic/multiplay servers

it ruins everything epic,titan sucks on warfare and vCTF,but mostly warfare,remove them plsssss. when a titan gets to a core and he has some skill(the skill part not very often) ,the core is dead.he takes most of the hp with his rockets while evading to many hits and then blows near it destroying it ...its ****,come on,just listen to the community .

[Liol54]

alriiight,gather up ppl,maybe in the end they'll remove the titan from at least half of the epic/multiplay servers

it ruins everything epic,titan sucks on warfare and vCTF,but mostly warfare,remove them plsssss. when a titan gets to a core and he has some skill(the skill part not very often) ,the core is dead.he takes most of the hp with his rockets while evading to many hits and then blows near it destroying it ...its ****,come on,just listen to the community .

We can only hope . I do disagree with what you've typed on one level however, I don't think you can have "skill" and "Titan" in the same sentence, unless it's in relation to no skill ;)

[Nightmare85]

The problem is, the Titan "mod" makes it easier for beginners.
However, it does not really have anything to do with skill to camp near a Node and to press E as soon as an enemy comes.
Yes, I know there are Mantas, Redeemers etc.
But as said: It ruins the game modes at all.

It could be funny for Greed or DeathMatch, but I think it is not okay for CTF, vCTF and Warfare.
Let's hope most servers will deactivate it.

Greets

[radu1234]

I do disagree with what you've typed on one level

um...what level ?

anyhow lets hope this gains some attention from admins ...

[Nightmare85]

Yeah, Kargo is a map that should never, EVER, be on a Titan server.

Same with Tank Crossing.
It is not always easy to drive the tank to the pressure pad, and if there are also enemy titans, it's nearly impossible.
Also the spawnkilling and the destroying of a half-spawned tank is very annoying.

Greets

[radu1234]

the worst is when they camp in turret tower in confrontation and kill anybody that comes up,while other team members shoot the core >.>
or just camp at their core and u cant atk it...since the tower is the only option(without levi or raptor)

[PcX_BAIN]

I play on non-titan servers when possible.

[Sourpuss]

The Titan mod may just be the worst thing to happen to UT CTF since UT 2003.

[Ga-Reef]

Titans suck!

[Sly.]

I also don't like Titans. If you join a Titan server after the match began in most cases you have no chance to do anything. Everywhere Titans... and they destroy team-based gametypes. For DM it can be quite funny but only if you play a match since the beginning.

[azurescorch]

Yeeaaa I'm going to reply to this ancient post too because wtf why not.

Titans blows. Might as well give people a tank that can jump every time they score X amount of points for simply spamming a node from a mile away like a useless tard. On top of that it's the easiest thing in the world to spawn kill with, so it encourages that.

Broke the game. If there ever is another ut (I doubt there will be) and it contains anything like titan you can count me out. I'd rather play quakelive or one of the previous unreal games.

[«MechikTåj»]

Titan is a lot of fun; especially in Greed. And it's just a mutator after all, so I don't get why people whine so much about it when they can play without it. People who complain that it makes it easier for noobs to get kills need to get over themselves. And if you REALLY must play on a Titan server, then deal with it by fighting fire with fire. If you lose because of "titan spam" then accept their overpowered nature as a lesson to be more aggressive next time. :p

I agree that it's dumb for gametypes like T/DM and CTF, but it adds a new aspect to the other gametypes. They're not as hard to take down as some people think - especially in vehicle maps. It's a nice reward for slaughtering opponents and accomplishing objectives; and when you're holding 200+ skulls in a full server of Lost Cause and you have two or three Titans escorting you into the enemy base... now that, is a beautiful thing. :D

[Sly.]

Titan is a lot of fun; especially in Greed. And it's just a mutator after all, so I don't get why people whine so much about it when they can play without it. People who complain that it makes it easier for noobs to get kills need to get over themselves. And if you REALLY must play on a Titan server, then deal with it by fighting fire with fire. If you lose because of "titan spam" then accept their overpowered nature as a lesson to be more aggressive next time. :p

I agree that it's dumb for gametypes like T/DM and CTF, but it adds a new aspect to the other gametypes. They're not as hard to take down as some people think - especially in vehicle maps. It's a nice reward for slaughtering opponents and accomplishing objectives; and when you're holding 200+ skulls in a full server of Lost Cause and you have two or three Titans escorting you into the enemy base... now that, is a beautiful thing. :D

Okay, have to agree. For Greed this mutator is just perfect. But then again you need a team with tactics (although this is not a big problem):cool:

[Killing_Joke.jW]

Titans are 1 of the reasons why i left UT3 !! i ruined the gameplay for me.

[demoniac]

Titans are 1 of the reasons why i left UT3 !! i ruined the gameplay for me.

I'd say the same thing for me. I don't wanna say I've left, cuz I haven't really left. I played a pug yesterday, and I tried out the titan war pub last week. Compared to before, though, I've left :(

[Pemphigus]

they make UT3 more fun

In my opinion:
Titan favorise: -Spam (overpowned and guided weapon: for me it just suck)
-spawn kill cause pp want make their titan rapidly so they take vehicules for make quick and free frags :mad:
-camping because titan are overpowned so they stay at the same place for kill pp entering the place

And for my own view titan ISN'T ut3: titan can't move correctly (no dodge, no wall jump, just double jump and they're big and slow, that's the perfect contrary of this game). For me it's look as ut3 but it isn't ut3.

Naturally that's just my view of titan and it's not maybe the best one and the universall view anyway I'm not gonna change ;)
thx for comprehension :)

[azurescorch]

Titan is a lot of fun; especially in Greed. And it's just a mutator after all, so I don't get why people whine so much about it when they can play without it. People who complain that it makes it easier for noobs to get kills need to get over themselves. And if you REALLY must play on a Titan server, then deal with it by fighting fire with fire. If you lose because of "titan spam" then accept their overpowered nature as a lesson to be more aggressive next time. :p

I agree that it's dumb for gametypes like T/DM and CTF, but it adds a new aspect to the other gametypes. They're not as hard to take down as some people think - especially in vehicle maps. It's a nice reward for slaughtering opponents and accomplishing objectives; and when you're holding 200+ skulls in a full server of Lost Cause and you have two or three Titans escorting you into the enemy base... now that, is a beautiful thing. :D

Doesn't help when the only populated war server left is Titan (in the eu). Newbies come to ut3 and know nothing else but titan.

I don't find being a titan fun either. Wow. Standing there shooting homing rockets and sending out redeemer sized shock waves. challenging. Not... Last time I just only used shock rifle and still got something stupid like 30 kills with 80 more ping than I'm use to. It's not fun to play with or play against.
It's more fun to play ut04 and I do not like ut04.

You say they're not hard to take down in vehicle maps, how so? Half your vehicles never spawn due to them spawn killing.
Mantas get ground stomped or shocked rifled to pieces (presuming they can aim)
Scorps can be stomped before the self destruct is finished
A well placed titan can avoid tank fire, if not then the tank will die in the process (aah remember the days when the tank was the most deadly thing in warfare? Now it's pathetic)
Raptors can easily be taken down with shock
etc, etc, etc.

I've seen people from Titan warfare servers pop into mpuk BTA one or two times. They rage quit with a score of 0 after 20minutes or so. Because they don't listen to their surroundings, they can't aim, they can't use advanced movement (seriously one guy has been playing ut3 as long as me and he never once dodged, let alone wall dodged). So maybe I'm one of these people who need to "get over themselves". But I consider myself a "decent" player, and I can't stand constantly being ****ing spawnkilled by some titan idiot who doesn't even seem to know how to ****ing dodge after a year of playing.

Oh and last of all, to the best of my knowledge I have never witnessed a Titan game last through over time, because they cause such a huge imbalance.

[DrUnKenSTeiN]

Doesn't help when the only populated war server left is Titan (in the eu). Newbies come to ut3 and know nothing else but titan.

I don't find being a titan fun either. Wow. Standing there shooting homing rockets and sending out redeemer sized shock waves. challenging. Not... Last time I just only used shock rifle and still got something stupid like 30 kills with 80 more ping than I'm use to. It's not fun to play with or play against.
It's more fun to play ut04 and I do not like ut04.

You say they're not hard to take down in vehicle maps, how so? Half your vehicles never spawn due to them spawn killing.
Mantas get ground stomped or shocked rifled to pieces (presuming they can aim)
Scorps can be stomped before the self destruct is finished
A well placed titan can avoid tank fire, if not then the tank will die in the process (aah remember the days when the tank was the most deadly thing in warfare? Now it's pathetic)
Raptors can easily be taken down with shock
etc, etc, etc.

I've seen people from Titan warfare servers pop into mpuk BTA one or two times. They rage quit with a score of 0 after 20minutes or so. Because they don't listen to their surroundings, they can't aim, they can't use advanced movement (seriously one guy has been playing ut3 as long as me and he never one dodged, let along wall dodged). So maybe I'm one of these people who need to "get over themselves". But I consider myself a "decent" player, and I can't stand constantly being ****ing spawnkilled by some titan idiot who doesn't even seem to know how to ****ing dodge after a year of playing.

Oh and last of all, to the best of my knowledge I have never witnessed a Titan game last through over time, because they cause such a huge imbalance.


+1 Azure ;) !!!

[Cr4zy]

+2, Titans suck

[Sly.]

Doesn't help when the only populated war server left is Titan (in the eu). Newbies come to ut3 and know nothing else but titan.

I don't find being a titan fun either. Wow. Standing there shooting homing rockets and sending out redeemer sized shock waves. challenging. Not... Last time I just only used shock rifle and still got something stupid like 30 kills with 80 more ping than I'm use to. It's not fun to play with or play against.
It's more fun to play ut04 and I do not like ut04.

You say they're not hard to take down in vehicle maps, how so? Half your vehicles never spawn due to them spawn killing.
Mantas get ground stomped or shocked rifled to pieces (presuming they can aim)
Scorps can be stomped before the self destruct is finished
A well placed titan can avoid tank fire, if not then the tank will die in the process (aah remember the days when the tank was the most deadly thing in warfare? Now it's pathetic)
Raptors can easily be taken down with shock
etc, etc, etc.

I've seen people from Titan warfare servers pop into mpuk BTA one or two times. They rage quit with a score of 0 after 20minutes or so. Because they don't listen to their surroundings, they can't aim, they can't use advanced movement (seriously one guy has been playing ut3 as long as me and he never one dodged, let along wall dodged). So maybe I'm one of these people who need to "get over themselves". But I consider myself a "decent" player, and I can't stand constantly being ****ing spawnkilled by some titan idiot who doesn't even seem to know how to ****ing dodge after a year of playing.

Oh and last of all, to the best of my knowledge I have never witnessed a Titan game last through over time, because they cause such a huge imbalance.

+1 Never could say it in a better way ;)

[Benfica]

Doesn't help when the only populated war server left is Titan (in the eu). Newbies come to ut3 and know nothing else but titan.
The no-Titan players aren't enough to fill a server? :confused:

[DrUnKenSTeiN]

Idea for the players that play PUG's : Lets try the next time 10 players add up , instead of joining the private server , let's join a pub one . I think others will join too if they see 10 players in the server.


This way we might get a non-titan server popular after a week or so (could take longer , not sure).

What do you think?

[Sly.]

Nice idea.
We should make something like the "Jailbreak Night" in UT2004 but for UT3 with WAR, vCTF and CTF for example.
That needs to be organized I think else people will join different servers and that won't change anything.

[azurescorch]

Benfica: Maybe there are but they're spread among over game types, aren't on at the same times or just don't bother playing public games any more. Game is pretty dead :/ thus why I've been playing ut04 and quakelive lately (I am hating both quite a lot).


Idea for the players that play PUG's : Lets try the next time 10 players add up , instead of joining the private server , let's join a pub one . I think others will join too if they see 10 players in the server.


This way we might get a non-titan server popular after a week or so (could take longer , not sure).

What do you think?

I wouldn't mind. If we could attract enough casual players it could be nice relaxing fun game as I tend to take the pug matches too seriously and rage if my team doesn't win. Not to mention 5v5 tends to annoy me in pugs due to the high vehicle count on maps like DownTown. It's possible for one team to have something like 14 vehicles.

[«MechikTåj»]

So maybe I'm one of these people who need to "get over themselves".

That's pretty much the only thing I can agree with in your entire post.

To each their own...

[Cr4zy]

Idea for the players that play PUG's : Lets try the next time 10 players add up , instead of joining the private server , let's join a pub one . I think others will join too if they see 10 players in the server.


This way we might get a non-titan server popular after a week or so (could take longer , not sure).

What do you think?

I dislike the idea with playing with havign to play with pubbers unless i have admin :>

[azurescorch]

That's pretty much the only thing I can agree with in your entire post.

To each their own...

Oh yes, because my ego is sooo big, what with me calling myself a "decent" player. :rolleyes: so much worse than calling myself "good" or "pro"

edit: I did a server browse for warfare servers (http://i160.photobucket.com/albums/t181/azurescorch/loltitanfreenotrly.jpg)
So no, not much option really. And holycrap it's even worse than the last time I looked for public servers. Dead game is seriously dead.

[Benfica]

azure, by now you know how to solve the problem, or at least why it isn't working.

[demoniac]

Idea for the players that play PUG's : Lets try the next time 10 players add up , instead of joining the private server , let's join a pub one . I think others will join too if they see 10 players in the server.


This way we might get a non-titan server popular after a week or so (could take longer , not sure).

What do you think?

Great idea... Needs Crazy or Zen or someone to alter the pug bot though so people won't just join the normal server. Oh, and Crazy, we can make it the non-titan MPUK pub, and you'd still be admin :P

[Pemphigus]

Doesn't help when the only populated war server left is Titan (in the eu). Newbies come to ut3 and know nothing else but titan.

I don't find being a titan fun either. Wow. Standing there shooting homing rockets and sending out redeemer sized shock waves. challenging. Not... Last time I just only used shock rifle and still got something stupid like 30 kills with 80 more ping than I'm use to. It's not fun to play with or play against.
It's more fun to play ut04 and I do not like ut04.

You say they're not hard to take down in vehicle maps, how so? Half your vehicles never spawn due to them spawn killing.
Mantas get ground stomped or shocked rifled to pieces (presuming they can aim)
Scorps can be stomped before the self destruct is finished
A well placed titan can avoid tank fire, if not then the tank will die in the process (aah remember the days when the tank was the most deadly thing in warfare? Now it's pathetic)
Raptors can easily be taken down with shock
etc, etc, etc.

I've seen people from Titan warfare servers pop into mpuk BTA one or two times. They rage quit with a score of 0 after 20minutes or so. Because they don't listen to their surroundings, they can't aim, they can't use advanced movement (seriously one guy has been playing ut3 as long as me and he never one dodged, let along wall dodged). So maybe I'm one of these people who need to "get over themselves". But I consider myself a "decent" player, and I can't stand constantly being ****ing spawnkilled by some titan idiot who doesn't even seem to know how to ****ing dodge after a year of playing.

Oh and last of all, to the best of my knowledge I have never witnessed a Titan game last through over time, because they cause such a huge imbalance.


+3 scorch u sayed what every pugger think :)

[Masaai_Warrior]

Get a bunch of regulars on a non titan pub, regularly, and I am there :)

[Sgt_SalsaMan]

Good for Greed, dont like them on any other gametype.

I regularly try to start a up non-titan warfare server (usually on the GOW server) in the afternoons HST/evenings EST, however more often than not people stay on the titan war servers.

Friend request me via UT3 (Sgt_SalsaMan) or xfire (sgtsalsaman) and I'll send you an invite when I jump on a non titan war server.