B4 Another Post about Smoke Stun Is Made...

[RoneNeffect]

I have just been informed by Dilaudid281 that the grenades in the video below are "Phosphorus Grenades." Otherwise known as No. 77. Read more below:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/No_77_grenade

"The grenade was also very effective as an anti-personnel and incendiary weapon.
Once the grenade exploded, the contents (i.e. the white phosphorus) would scatter and ignite as soon as they touched the air. This made the grenade extremely dangerous — hence its usefulness in combat"

Epic please update the game manual (re-mail to all GOW2 owners) and all online content that references the "Smoke Grenade" to read "Phosphorus Grenade" or "P-Nade" for short. That way the argument can end and you won't be obligated under pain of death to alter the gaming dynamics of the Smoke....dang it...P-Nade. It'll take some time, but I will get use to the change.

-------The instructions below have been effectively nullified, but feel free to attempt anyway for posterity-----

Before anyone else starts another smoke post like this please do the following:

Get a camera and start filming
Let someone throw 5 of these at you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg7RR82NQOU
Post the video on youtube. If you are still standing each time, we will remove the [smokes] P-Nades.

No sarcasm, just do it and lets look, in earnest, at the results and move from there.

[smoke threads have been temporarily disabled until testing is complete]

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For those who argue that this is a video game, fantasy world, that shouldn't be held to standards of reality, consider that argument before posting. Maybe in Epic's fantasy world, [smokes] P-Nades stun humans and aliens alike. If I had to guess though, I would say they did enough R&D to find vids like the one above and confirm that [smoke] P-Nades can in fact have stun capabilities. Don't forget they did partner with Discovery Channels, Future Weapons TV series...lol.

If anyone has any real world experience with [smoke] P-Nades, please post.

[HaydenH]

Smokes suck for gameplay, I don't give a **** if they are silly or not, they are NOT FUN.

[Ik0n]

It's a retarded effect for a MP video-game. I don't care what smoke grenades are like in real life.. this isn't real life.

[RoneNeffect]

Smokes suck for gameplay, I don't give a **** if they are silly or not, they are NOT FUN.

"Welcome back, welcome back, wel-come baaack..." lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QVS3WNt7yRU

[RoneNeffect]

It's a retarded effect for a MP video-game. I don't care what smoke grenades are like in real life.. this isn't real life.

See 2nd part of post

[Snipershot94]

But In "real life" as you want to make the point, if they were throwing exploding smokes at you, would you like it? No , would you complain ? Yes .

That's what were doing. If you don't like it , to to the top right of the screen and click the x button

[Corpus]

is does not matter about how it is in real life. im sorry but this game is not very realistic, and some realistic things should ont be entered into a game because it just makes it not fun. like those games that try to simulate a real war game, they never work out because they r too realistic and its just not fun. smokes should not stun u like that in gow2, maybe make u cough, stun u like frags did in gow1, or just nothing at all.

the smoke is so much better than gow1s, except for the stun. TAKE IT OUT COMPLETELY! 2 seconds is wayyy to long, i dont even want to be hit the floor and get right back up, its just not fun when people just keep chucking smokes on u. it screws up many strats and it doesnt open more strats, it just shows who can throw the smoke better. thats NOT skill

[Ik0n]

See 2nd part of post

I seen the 2nd part of your post... and? Smoke grenades didn't have this effect before and nobody had a problem with it. There called smoke grenades for a reason.

[Corpus]

I seen the 2nd part of your post... and? Smoke grenades didn't have this effect before and nobody had a problem with it. There called smoke grenades for a reason.

exactly. its a smoke grenade, not a stun grenade, and its not fell of chemicals to knock you out to get shotgunned while not being able to defend yourselves.

[RoneNeffect]

But In "real life" as you want to make the point, if they were throwing exploding smokes at you, would you like it? No , would you complain ? Yes .

That's what were doing. If you don't like it , to to the top right of the screen and click the x button

Sorry I can't really follow what you are saying. No wouldn't "like it" (DUH!!), but the point is that I would probably be stunned and get knocked down. Try and stay on topic with your next post.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPHuE5pDlEs

[Mintthepepper13]

Before anyone else starts another smoke post... awww to late


L O L :p

[RoneNeffect]

I seen the 2nd part of your post... and? Smoke grenades didn't have this effect before and nobody had a problem with it. There called smoke grenades for a reason.

see video...

[RoneNeffect]

L O L :p

Glad you got the joke :D

[RoneNeffect]

is does not matter about how it is in real life. im sorry but this game is not very realistic, and some realistic things should ont be entered into a game because it just makes it not fun. like those games that try to simulate a real war game, they never work out because they r too realistic and its just not fun. smokes should not stun u like that in gow2, maybe make u cough, stun u like frags did in gow1, or just nothing at all.

the smoke is so much better than gow1s, except for the stun. TAKE IT OUT COMPLETELY! 2 seconds is wayyy to long, i dont even want to be hit the floor and get right back up, its just not fun when people just keep chucking smokes on u. it screws up many strats and it doesnt open more strats, it just shows who can throw the smoke better. thats NOT skill

For the record, I'm not opposed to shortening the stun time...Wasn't that suppose to be part of the TU3? I probably could stand to be a little shorter, but not necc. removed.

[Ik0n]

see video...

I did and I'm pretty sure that wouldn't sending me flailing in all different directions from 10ft away.

[RoneNeffect]

Of course making the stun effect a "% chance" effect is always an option that seeks to console both sides.

[RoneNeffect]

I did and I'm pretty sure that wouldn't sending me flailing in all different directions from 10ft away.

You measured ft. in game? Wow, where did you get your digital ruler from. I want one.

[Ik0n]

You measured ft. in game? Wow, where did you get your digital ruler from. I want one.

Not literally. I do have a brain though.

[TheMuffinMan]

It ruins the gameplay and the smoke from our smoke grenades lasts all of 5 seconds

[RoneNeffect]

Not literally. I do have a brain though.

Probably not best to quote figures then...just fyi. And I am glad you have a brain btw.

[RoneNeffect]

It ruins the gameplay and the smoke from our smoke grenades lasts all of 5 seconds

I don't see a problem with smoke lasting longer, although I'll to double check that it only lasts 5 seconds. Sounds about right though.

[Ik0n]

Probably not best to quote figures then...just fyi. And I am glad you have a brain btw.

Yeah, and it was an estimate on how far I've been hit by the smokes in MP before. You know how I came up with that estimate? Using my brain [I'm so glad I have one as well].

[RoneNeffect]

Yeah, and it was an estimate on how far I've been hit by the smokes in MP before. You know how I came up with that estimate? Using my brain [I'm so glad I have one as well].

Well I wasn't trying to offend you, but please understand that I can't verify the validity and quality of said brain. Nothing personnel. So when you start spouting stats by eyeballing-it, it makes people a little apprehensive to just up an agree with you.

When I eyeballed it I calculated 10.3547216 ft and a quarter inch. but again that's an approximation, so give or take some nanofeet

[spunky onion]

it doesn't ruin the gameplay it just ruins the noobs gameplans... simple as really. Get over it!

[LobotiCasta+ion]

When they announced that smokes would stun, I thought: "Yeah, thats pretty realistic I guess" And still today I understand why they stun, it just gets annoying when one is thrown right after another, if it's just one I don't care, but if it's multiple I get little ticked. Not a big deal nonetheless.

[Joebeezer]

What would make the smoke grenade better is if the grenade turned the color of the team while throwing/planting it. This would make it easier to identify. As it is being thrown in the air it could also make a whistling sound so you know to evade accordingly. Also the smoke should last longer and go a little bit higher. But if nothing is changed, I will be fine with it. If they make it a pick up weapon, I will be happy with that. Oh and nice video, lol.

[Ik0n]

Well I wasn't trying to offend you, but please understand that I can't verify the validity and quality of said brain. Nothing personnel. So when you start spouting stats by eyeballing-it, it makes people a little apprehensive to just up an agree with you.

When I eyeballed it I calculated 10.3547216 ft and a quarter inch. but again that's an approximation, so give or take some nanofeet

You don't 'have' to agree with me. Like I said, it was about 10ft [give or take] and from that video you posted, it wouldn't send me flailing even I was standing right next to it.

[RoneNeffect]

You don't 'have' to agree with me. Like I said, it was about 10ft [give or take] and from that video you posted, it wouldn't send me flailing even I was standing right next to it.

So maybe:

tone down the stun radius
reduce stun duration (concussive power)
reduce stun throw distance

[Ik0n]

Don't make it knock you down. Maybe if you're real close you'll do the head cover thing [like when a mortar drops near you].

[oOausarOo]

We are going to bring a real life argument into a game where the soldiers get from one place to the other by constantly rolling on the ground?

If you want to keep smokes as they are I'm fine with it, just don't give everyone a smoke to start with because they are too powerful. It's almost as bad if everyone were to start with an ink or frag.

[Snipershot94]

On the other hand , If I threw a smoke at you, would you fly up in the air , bounce around then skid across the ground? :P

[DamonicReaper]

horrible....

[Gears Ninjah]

This is in no way funny... sorry dude.

[Get_bodied]

Not exactly a very good thread. People aren't upset that the smoke "should" or "shouldn't" stun (there are smokes that don't explode too you do know that), people are upset because it is annoying and unbalanced.

[SiK_GAMER]

lolz. people who complain about smokes probably run in the middle of the map thinking they are unstoppable and a smoke lands and knocks them over, then they get killed.
Then next match they do it again.

[Ik0n]

lolz. people who complain about smokes probably run in the middle of the map thinking they are unstoppable and a smoke lands and knocks them over, then they get killed.
Then next match they do it again.

lol...

or it's just a grenade mass for the power weapons in the beginning [depending on map].

[ifryrice]

LOL smokes are fine. i like them the way they are. everyone uses them and everyone gets knocked down from them. instead of pretending its a smoke grenade why dont all of you just pretend its a stunning smoke grenade and get over it. EPIC THE SMOKE IS FINE!!! Please dont listen to a bunch of whining people again and get rid of something else. Its slowly ruining the game. I do not like over half of the things in TU3. and many who complained about certain things now complain that they want them back. the smoke is fine epic. Good job!

[Ik0n]

LOL smokes are fine. i like them the way they are. everyone uses them and everyone gets knocked down from them. instead of pretending its a smoke grenade why dont all of you just pretend its a stunning smoke grenade and get over it. EPIC THE SMOKE IS FINE!!! Please dont listen to a bunch of whining people again and get rid of something else. Its slowly ruining the game. I do not like over half of the things in TU3. and many who complained about certain things now complain that they want them back. the smoke is fine epic. Good job!

I'm sorry but you're in the minority in this particular discussion. Nobody has liked the smoke grenades from the beginning of this game.

[SiK_GAMER]

lol...

or it's just a grenade mass for the power weapons in the beginning [depending on map].

yeah people know the weapons in the middle are going to be bombarded with smokes from everybody, but they think they can still get it, and end up dying.

think about it, if theres going to be smokes just wait for a little bit. then go after it.

[ifryrice]

I'm sorry but you're in the minority in this particular discussion. Nobody has liked the smoke grenades from the beginning of this game.

actually i know quite a few people who like them. if you didnt have the stun option then all the games would be a bunch of people running straight for the closest power weapon and boom a battle. now you have to wait and be a lil strategic. if you just run right in there then your going to get smoked and owned. not everyone who plays this game comes on the boards.

[Mr 88]

Before anyone else starts another smoke post like this please do the following:

Get a camera and start filming
Let someone throw 5 of these at you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg7RR82NQOU
Post the video on youtube. If you are still standing each time, we will remove the smokes.

No sarcasm, just do it and lets look, in earnest, at the results and move from there.

[smoke threads have been temporarily disabled until testing is complete]

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For those who argue that this is a video game, fantasy world, consider that argument. Maybe in Epic's fantasy world, smokes grenades stun humans and aliens alike. If I had to guess though, I would say they did enough R&D to find vids like the one above and confirm that smoke grenades can in fact have stun capabilities. Don't forget they did partner with Discovery Channels, Future Weapons TV series...lol.

If anyone has any real world experience with grenades, please post.The stun is incredibly annoying, sure...

BUT, the main issue is the fact that they don't produce any damned smoke! Can you see sh*t behind where those smokes were thrown in the video!? NO! In Gears 2, it's like a puff of grey dust for 2.5 seconds, then clear vision, some stupid sh*t...

[Paranormal]

that wouldnt knock me 30 feet back.

[MeesterSquishy]

haha i officially love this thread, it just pwns everyone who says smokes dont kock you over

[Ik0n]

haha i officially love this thread, it just pwns everyone who says smokes dont kock you over

The smoke grenade in that video would seriously send you flailing around like a rag doll?

[MeesterSquishy]

The smoke grenade in that video would seriously send you flailing around like a rag doll?

not to the extent in gears but it would probably knock me over yes,
this has got to have been said like 1000000000000000000000 times but
REAL LIFE does NOT equal GEARS OF WAR 2
games are a way for people to be creative and experiment with things that dont happen in real life
and also
the physics engine of gears of war 2 does not replicate real world physics, when you do you ever see someone shot with a shotgun and the top half of their body flies 10 ft through the air? (hopefully you dont see people get shot haha but you get my point)

[Hukdonfoniks]

I'm fine with the stun if you give the grenades a significant increase in the amount of smoke.

[severed360]

i like the smokes the way they are, i just wish the smoke was BIGGER, the stun doesnt get me killed as long as i jump in a decent direction it will fling me back to my team(more than not)

i just dont get why we only have 1 ink and 2 nades... the nades are the most powerful of all 3

[KiwikindUK]

RoneNeffect it's you who is missing the point. All we are saying is that the stun effect is annoying. Yes it's fair because both teams have access to it, but if the stun was removed then it would still be fair but with the added bonus of NOT being annoying.

Same goes for wall-tagging. It's still fair because neither team would be able to tag and camp. But it has the bonus of not being annoying.

[TOinBuffalo]

why does it matter if its real or not?

isnt the point of the game for it to be fun?

Point is smoke stuns are not fun. therefore they should be removed. Now what is your argument?

[scudder5000]

I think the fail of the video is that the smoke is caused by an explosion. You know the flash before the smoke appears. In Gears there is no explosion to bring the smoke. It simply deploys. I don't mind the smokes now that you get up after 2 seconds. What I do mind is the people that throw a smoke and wait over you revving a chainsaw. I think they need to add a .25-.5 second delay to being chainsawed after getting up after a smoke.

[Scaretheweans]

They make the game less fun, who care about the real world, bring on the anti smokes threads

[Milky Pirate]

Pssh the Cole Train wouldn't even blink if one of those was thrown at him ;)

[Rick2k7]

I did and I'm pretty sure that wouldn't sending me flailing in all different directions from 10ft away.

Exactly.

If you're going to be realistic, take a what, 18 stone at least, 6 ft 5 guy, from gears ofc, put one of them next to him, watch that smoke grenade lift him off his feet and throw him down, I didn't think so.

[Scaretheweans]

Yeah the gears are like super soldiers, all dead buff and hard, notn like us puny video games players

[Bare Lakus]

Smokes suck for gameplay, I don't give a **** if they are silly or not, they are NOT FUN.

Quoted for Truth

[Porshapwr]

On the other hand , If I threw a smoke at you, would you fly up in the air , bounce around then skid across the ground? :P

I do. It hurts. :(

[merlponty]

lol...

or it's just a grenade mass for the power weapons in the beginning [depending on map].

You're explaining a perfect moment to get some downs and give a huge advantage for your team.

Grab your hammerburst, stay back a bit, pump bullets and rake in the downs. Grab a teammate to do the same and you can put a serious dent into the power weapon rushing team.

The smokes are very important to this game. You need a counter like it for boomshield and meat shield. It helps both attacker and defender when used right. It DOES produce some smoke which I have used many times to help grab power weapons more safely (like at River when I know someone will try to kill me when going for torque, ect, I can throw a smoke and the resulting smoke helps mask where you choose to stand for picking up the weapon; this is just one example).

I think they are great.

DON'T JUST RUSH

[oOausarOo]

Exactly.

If you're going to be realistic, take a what, 18 stone at least, 6 ft 5 guy, from gears ofc, put one of them next to him, watch that smoke grenade lift him off his feet and throw him down, I didn't think so.

...and leave him completely defenseless the whole time until he gets up, keep in mind the armor these guys are wearing

I maintain if they were to implement shooting while on the ground and while you're in the process of standing up for GoW3 smokes would go from being one of the worst additions in a shooter ever to one of the most fun.

The bottom-line problem with smokes is they leave you defenseless while you are locked into the animation of getting up.

[RoneNeffect]

The smoke grenade in that video would seriously send you flailing around like a rag doll?

The whole point of the thread is for you to go and find out dummy!!!! GO TRY IT AND LET US KNOW......you people don't read. You just keep complaining the same way over and over and over and over and over

[RoneNeffect]

You're explaining a perfect moment to get some downs and give a huge advantage for your team.

Grab your hammerburst, stay back a bit, pump bullets and rake in the downs. Grab a teammate to do the same and you can put a serious dent into the power weapon rushing team.

The smokes are very important to this game. You need a counter like it for boomshield and meat shield. It helps both attacker and defender when used right. It DOES produce some smoke which I have used many times to help grab power weapons more safely (like at River when I know someone will try to kill me when going for torque, ect, I can throw a smoke and the resulting smoke helps mask where you choose to stand for picking up the weapon; this is just one example).

I think they are great.

DON'T JUST RUSH


No noooooo....that would require strategy and tactics for this game. If Halo doesn't require strategy then apparently this game shouldn't either. I want to be able to run in like Rambo and kill every one w/o ever taking cover or flanking....smh

[RoneNeffect]

On the other hand , If I threw a smoke at you, would you fly up in the air , bounce around then skid across the ground? :P

Again, the point of the thread is for you to go and find out and let us know...:D Until then, don't complain and assume you know what a smoke grenade like the one in the video will do to a person.

[RoneNeffect]

Everyone please notice that I did not say whether the smoke grenade WOULD or WOULDN'T stun a person. The point is to show that people need to stop assuming they know precisely what a smoke grenade will do.

Do some freaking research before you start running off at the mouth like you are some sort of weapons expert. And that really goes for both sides of the argument, but tends to apply more to the strategic-less masses who run into "smokes fields" like lemmings EVERY......SINGLE....FREAKING....MATCH. If you touch fire and get burned painfully, why would you continue to touch it again and again unless you liked it....?

[RoneNeffect]

When they announced that smokes would stun, I thought: "Yeah, thats pretty realistic I guess" And still today I understand why they stun, it just gets annoying when one is thrown right after another, if it's just one I don't care, but if it's multiple I get little ticked. Not a big deal nonetheless.

I can understand that. But the point is not to do the same thing every match. At some point you have to adapt....go around the fire instead of through it....let everyone throw their smokes, keep yours then throw yours once they are out....smokes are obviously one of the most tactical weapons in the game, which is why I think alot of people do like them, because you have to actually use your brain to implement them effectively, especially whenever everyone just throws them in the middle of the map at the beginning of a match.

[RoneNeffect]

They make the game less fun, who care about the real world, bring on the anti smokes threads

Less fun = I don't know how to defend against smokes.

[RoneNeffect]

The stun is incredibly annoying, sure...

BUT, the main issue is the fact that they don't produce any damned smoke! Can you see sh*t behind where those smokes were thrown in the video!? NO! In Gears 2, it's like a puff of grey dust for 2.5 seconds, then clear vision, some stupid sh*t...

Not opposed to adding more smoke and/or for a longer duration of time.

[oOausarOo]

If you are playing annex or koth you will get smoked and smoked a lot. It's unavoidable.

[ToastedPillow]

Stop feeding the troll :)

[RoneNeffect]

Not exactly a very good thread. People aren't upset that the smoke "should" or "shouldn't" stun (there are smokes that don't explode too you do know that), people are upset because it is annoying and unbalanced.

Your post makes absolutely no sense....The "annoying" part you mention in the latter part of your post directly relates to the stun effect! Pretty much everyone is saying remove the stun because it is annoying......read through the thread next time. And the thread seems pretty good to me. Fair and Balanced reporting.....lol

[RoneNeffect]

If you are playing annex or koth you will get smoked and smoked a lot. It's unavoidable.

You don't have to stay in the circle in Annex. Its probably not advisable for everyone in your party to do so (esp. due to smokes and frags). Again, a strategy would be for some people to go outside the circle and kill the opposing team.

And again with king of the hill not everyone should huddle directly around the circle. One or two people hang back at the circle, while other people defend outside the away from the circle.

Defending the areas does not mean everyone can only defend said area only within a 5ft parameter.

[RoneNeffect]

Stop feeding the troll :)

Too late.....you may want to post somewhere else...because you just fed him....lol

[Dilaudid281]

These are meant to be SMOKE grenades...not Phosphorus grenades. The whole concept of a SMOKE grenade...is to do as the name implies, release a cloud of smoke.

Here is a SMOKE grenade:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH3Szalzuxg&feature=related

Can we please just end this whole thing with an agreement on what a SMOKE grenade is?

[RoneNeffect]

These are meant to be SMOKE grenades...not Phosphorus grenades. The whole concept of a SMOKE grenade...is to do as the name implies, release a cloud of smoke.

Here is a SMOKE grenade:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH3Szalzuxg&feature=related

Can we please just end this whole thing with an agreement on what a SMOKE grenade is?

Yeah that's a version of smoke grenade...for sure. The toothless expert reference in your video looked pretty stunned to me...lol

Did you see the first video posted in the thread?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg7RR82NQOU

That would be another version of a smoke grenade. What you have proven here is that Epic chose to represent a version of the smoke grenade in their game other than the one in your video.

[Dilaudid281]

Yeah that's a version of smoke grenade...for sure. The toothless expert reference in your video looked pretty stunned to me...lol

Did you see the first video posted in the thread?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg7RR82NQOU

That would be another version of a smoke grenade. What you have proven here is that Epic chose to represent a version of the smoke grenade in their game other than the one in your video.

Did you read the description of your own video?

"Its a type of phosphorus grenade and it generates heavy smoke on the battlefield."

It generates heavy smoke...but is not known as an actual smoke grenade. Trust me...I make sure to read things before posting lol.

[RoneNeffect]

Did you read the description of your own video?

"Its a type of phosphorus grenade and it generates heavy smoke on the battlefield."

It generates heavy smoke...but is not known as an actual smoke grenade. Trust me...I make sure to read things before posting lol.

Yep, did you actually watch the video and did you read the first post? Follow the instructions in the 1st post in this thread and then report back. The point is we are trying to gather data on the effects of smoke grenades, so we can make an educated decision about what should be done with smokes. Not just wild guesses and assumptions about what impact they have...cheers. :D

Be sure to use the smoke grenades in my video though, not yours.

[DaRKseID04]

i cant see vid at work, but the majority of smoke nades do not have a stun effect as the smoke is released from the canister. There are white phosporous smoke nades that do have an explosive effect and can be stunning. These are the ones you often seen shot into crowds and used for riot control. From a military man

[RoneNeffect]

i cant see vid at work, but the majority of smoke nades do not have a stun effect as the smoke is released from the canister. There are white phosporous smoke nades that do have an explosive effect and can be stunning. These are the ones you often seen shot into crowds and used for riot control. From a military man

Ok cool. I totally understand about the work restrictions on Internet stuff. When you get a chance check it out and then let us know what you think once you've seen the video.

[Dilaudid281]

Yep, did you actually watch the video and did you read the first post? Follow the instructions in the 1st post in this thread and then report back. The point is we are trying to gather data on the effects of smoke grenades, so we can make an educated decision about what should be done with smokes. Not just wild guesses and assumptions about what impact they have...cheers. :D

Be sure to use the smoke grenades in my video though, not yours.

But those are not smoke grenades lmao. If Epic wanted to use Phosphorus grenades....they should have called them so.

[RoneNeffect]

But those are not smoke grenades lmao. If Epic wanted to use Phosphorus grenades....they should have called them so.

Ahhhh so your argument is purely semantics then. Well I guess "phosphorous grenades" is a whole lot more marketable then just "smoke grenades." Problem solved. Everyone please refer to the smoke grenades as Phosphorous grenades, or "P-nades" for short. Man I'm glad we don't have to change the P-Nades now. No need to go get yourself knocked down like the 1st post instructs. Thanks D.

[RoneNeffect]

O, and they obviously DID use phosphorous grenades....just didn't call them so...

[Dilaudid281]

Ahhhh so your argument is purely semantics then. Well I guess "phosphorous grenades" is a whole lot more marketable then just "smoke grenades." Problem solved. Everyone please refer to the smoke grenades as Phosphorous grenades, or "P-nades" for short. Man I'm glad we don't have to change the P-Nades now. No need to go get yourself knocked down like the 1st post instructs. Thanks D.

On one hand, we have you being literal of blowing yourself away...for the sake of proving the corresponding effect to a video game. On the other, we have me being literal in meaning of terms.

Lets do it this way....

One goes "boom", the other goes "puff".

I see your point...and hopefully you can respect mine. I'm no expert in any way or form in the field of demolition....but I do know there are different types of smoke grenades...just as you have stated. But the mere fact that a "traditional" smoke, creates a cloud of cover for said user...and the "gears" smoke has more of a flashbang effect....we have to come to some sort of an agreement.

And I'm not trying to argue by the way lol. This is simply debate form, no disrespect towards you, as I do understand what you're trying to get across.

[RoneNeffect]

On one hand, we have you being literal of blowing yourself away...for the sake of proving the corresponding effect to a video game. On the other, we have me being literal in meaning of terms.

Lets do it this way....

One goes "boom", the other goes "puff".

I see your point...and hopefully you can respect mine. I'm no expert in any way or form in the field of demolition....but I do know there are different types of smoke grenades...just as you have stated. But the mere fact that a "traditional" smoke, creates a cloud of cover for said user...and the "gears" smoke has more of a flashbang effect....we have to come to some sort of an agreement.

And I'm not trying to argue by the way lol. This is simply debate form, no disrespect towards you, as I do understand what you're trying to get across.


No worries, its all in good fun and debate. Something to take you mind off the other things for bit (which is one of the cornerstones of gaming). :D

I have updated the original thread post in your honor.

[BENWAHLBAWLS]

Before anyone else starts another smoke post like this please do the following:

[COLOR="DarkRed"]Get a camera and start filming
Let someone throw 5 of these at you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yg7RR82NQOU
Post the video on youtube. If you are still standing each time, we will remove the [smokes] P-Nades.


If anyone has any real world experience with [smoke] P-Nades, please post.




Reason 1- Gears of WAR called it a "SMOKE GRENADES" not a P whatever gernade. So the Comparison on a Smoke Gernade
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH3Szalzuxg
YOU ARE WRONG and this Thread should be shut down. you are just trying to distort a weapon that isnt intended in the game.

Reason 2-If your going to compare a youtube video to the game make sure its identical because thier not, just one of thier smoke nades made it impossible to see. so if it knocked you down why make it easy for the other team to see you.

REASON 3- Why would it be fun to keep the Smoke Gernade in if it bugs more than 70% of the population. EVEN The PRODUCER who made the game has said it gets a bit annoying and wants it as only a special day . FRAG FRIDAYS.

PLEASE ignore this idiot who made this thread

[RoneNeffect]

Reason 1- Gears of WAR called it a "SMOKE GRENADES" not a P whatever gernade. So the Comparison on a Smoke Gernade
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EH3Szalzuxg
YOU ARE WRONG and this Thread should be shut down. you are just trying to distort a weapon that isnt intended in the game.

Reason 2-If your going to compare a youtube video to the game make sure its identical because thier not, just one of thier smoke nades made it impossible to see. so if it knocked you down why make it easy for the other team to see you.

REASON 3- Why would it be fun to keep the Smoke Gernade in if it bugs more than 70% of the population. EVEN The PRODUCER who made the game has said it gets a bit annoying and wants it as only a special day . FRAG FRIDAYS.

PLEASE ignore this idiot who made this thread


Apparently Epic thinks the thread is fine, so don't hold you breath young'n.

Your Reason 1 - wait you didn't denote a 1st reason....unless it was that boo hoo, cry me a river, introductory paragraph in your post...moving on

Your Reason 2 - The central issue is stun, not smoke amount, I have already stated in previous posts in this thread, that we are not opposed to more smoke for a longer duration, read the thread sonny boy.

Your Reason 3 - I love it when people pull percentages out of their arses...70% you say?, where are you getting that from again? Thin Air you say? Please legitimately qualify figures when you attempt post them. Lastly, what in tarnations does FRAG Fridays have to do with SMOKES??? Plus its "P-Nades" now, so use the proper GOW2 terminology or else no one will know you what are referring to. Reason 3 has been deemed irrelevant to the thread.

[Mandible Tongues]

Yeah nobody wants to spend their time playing with people from all over the world on the ground and having a seizure.

[RoneNeffect]

Yeah nobody wants to spend their time playing with people from all over the world on the ground and having a seizure.

P-Nades also give people seizures? Dayum, now that's new glitch! Epic, please look in to seizure nades.

[ReignStorm]

I have just been informed by Dilaudid281.

Dude, no offense but I cant take anyone that names themself after a narcotic seriously...just call me Cocaine b1tches!!! It's a helluva drug! Hell yes I muddied Charlie Murphy's couch!

[RoneNeffect]

Dude, no offense but I cant take anyone that names themself after a narcotic seriously...just call me Cocaine b1tches!!! It's a helluva drug! Hell yes I muddied Charlie Murphy's couch!

Are you by chance on cocaine now? Because your posts read like someone "hopped up" wrote them. I mean what did that last post even mean? seriously...:confused:

[ReignStorm]

Are you by chance on cocaine now? Because your posts read like someone "hopped up" wrote them. I mean what did that last post even mean? seriously...:confused:

Nope. Been accused of being ADD all my life. I'm not - proof is in my degrees (top 20 MBA). Psst you generally don't do well with studying if you are "hopped up."

My mom gave me Ritalin when I was around 5 but if you aren't ADD it jacks you up...that's what happened to me. I was a spaz...so no ADD or drug addictions I'm afraid...just a fast train of thought and a passion to squash stupidity.

[RoneNeffect]

Nope. Been accused of being ADD all my life. I'm not - proof is in my degrees (top 20 MBA). Psst you generally don't do well with studying if you are "hopped up."

My mom gave me Ritalin when I was around 5 but if you aren't ADD it jacks you up...that's what happened to me. I was a spaz...so no ADD or drug addictions I'm afraid...just a fast train of thought and a passion to squash stupidity.

Top 20 MBA is suppose to impress me!!! lol. WoooooOOOOooooooOOOOOooo! There are people with better and more impressive/prestigious degrees w/o jobs right now. There are people w/o any degrees that are millionaires. So that point is a feckless, gilded one. And I'm sure you know what "feckless" & "gilded" mean since you have a Top 20 MBA.

Now can we please get back on topic. P-NADES!!!!!!! :D

[ReignStorm]

Top 20 MBA is suppose to impress me!!! lol. WoooooOOOOooooooOOOOOooo! There are people with better and more impressive/prestigious degrees w/o jobs right now. There are people w/o any degrees that are millionaires. So that point is a feckless, gilded one. And I'm sure you know what "feckless" & "gilded" mean since you have a Top 20 MBA.

Now can we please get back on topic. P-NADES!!!!!!! :D

Wow you really got side tracked on my MBA didn't you? :D

Make no mistake, even if you had a vagina I wouldn't try to impress you but apparently I do it anyway...nice insecurity!

Yeah...I'm phucking awesome yo.

[RoneNeffect]

Wow you really got side tracked on my MBA didn't you? :D

Make no mistake, even if you had a vagina I wouldn't try to impress you but apparently I do it anyway...nice insecurity!

Yeah...I'm phucking awesome yo.


I guess I hit a nerve....lol. sorry :D

I know a lot of people with "degrees" are going though it right now. But lets try to keep it on topic everybody

[wat]

those aren't the grenades that are in gears 2. the grenades in gears 2 don't explode like the ones in the video. the ones in the video clearly explode in an initially red cloud. they are white phosphorous grenades, not smoke grenades. this is a smoke grenade.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l76-eoTlaac

[Dilaudid281]

Dude, no offense but I cant take anyone that names themself after a narcotic seriously...just call me Cocaine b1tches!!! It's a helluva drug! Hell yes I muddied Charlie Murphy's couch!

And you think that this is this a "bad" gamertag? lol. Atleast I'm not one of the millions of people who think they're cool for having "420" in their name...or something completely random like, "CookiesRGood88".

My name is a concept....a painkiller. Do I take them? No. But hearing people like you try to pronounce it correctly time and time again over Xbox Live is more than a reason to keep using it on its own.

You think that we're going to be impressed by your level of intellect? No. Sorry. This is a video game forum. If you're truly that smart, why are you wasting your time posting here? Sounds to be as if someone needs to be taken down a notch to join everyone else around him lol.

[C MAN 2117]

exactly. its a smoke grenade, not a stun grenade, and its not fell of chemicals to knock you out to get shotgunned while not being able to defend yourselves.

Who says it's not filled with chemicals, have you ripped and disected a Gears 2 smoke, hmph, hacker?

The OP brings up a good point, everyone here complains "Smokes are smokes, not smuns" well the OP just proved to you that a smoke can stun you and that all you complainers are wasting your time because this OP has the most valid proof: EVIDENCE.

OP I support you 10 million times over.

EDIT: To wat: what if they ended up developing a grenade that did not make a red flare in 'x amount of years' when Gears takes place. Besides, the smoke makes an EXPLOSION when detonated, makes sense that it stuns you.

[RoneNeffect]

I'm playing right now actually...you will notice sparks once the P-Nade detonates.

[RoneNeffect]

those aren't the grenades that are in gears 2. the grenades in gears 2 don't explode like the ones in the video. the ones in the video clearly explode in an initially red cloud. they are white phosphorous grenades, not smoke grenades. this is a smoke grenade.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l76-eoTlaac

Which is why I said change the name to P-Nade (for phosphorous). I recommend that Epic just change the name to better represent what the nades are. Since the argument that alot of anti-smoke people give is its a "SMOKE" grenade...Its a "SMOKE" grenade...ITS SEMANTICS!!!

So we change the name and keep the nades as the are. Perhaps shorten the stun duration and increase the smoke duration

[BaLLiN_BG]

http://forums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=673803

[mrod009]

lol u want them to redo all the manuals???!

[wat]

you get all these arguments about how the game is SUPPOSED to be played. cover-based, team-play, etc. if the game says it's a SMOKE grenade, then it's supposed to be a SMOKE grenade.

[ReignStorm]

And you think that this is this a "bad" gamertag? lol. Atleast I'm not one of the millions of people who think they're cool for having "420" in their name...or something completely random like, "CookiesRGood88".

My name is a concept....a painkiller. Do I take them? No. But hearing people like you try to pronounce it correctly time and time again over Xbox Live is more than a reason to keep using it on its own.

You think that we're going to be impressed by your level of intellect? No. Sorry. This is a video game forum. If you're truly that smart, why are you wasting your time posting here? Sounds to be as if someone needs to be taken down a notch to join everyone else around him lol.

I find it funny that you think I'm intellectual. Thank you for that yo...sh!ts dogg I don't needz no checkemaccounts I deals strictslys wiff caysh brah.

So I just change my name to Cocaine - because I'm an addiction!!!

Hahahah - how cheesy.
Painkiller. Problem Solver. Naptime. Glock Mafia.
Garbage.

[Dilaudid281]

I find it funny that you think I'm intellectual. Thank you for that yo...sh!ts dogg I don't needz no checkemaccounts I deals strictslys wiff caysh brah.

So I just change my name to Cocaine - because I'm an addiction!!!

Hahahah - how cheesy.
Painkiller. Problem Solver. Naptime. Glock Mafia.
Garbage.

I have no idea what the f*** you just said :confused:

[ReignStorm]

I guess I hit a nerve....lol. sorry :D

I know a lot of people with "degrees" are going though it right now. But lets try to keep it on topic everybody

You'll have to try much harder than that pal.

Make fun of my alcholic mom that is transgender and works at Dollar General* and that may cause a tear drop.

*my mom isn't alcoholic, transgender, or employed by the fine and lovely DG.

[ReignStorm]

I have no idea what the f*** you just said :confused:

I does require a few brains cells...my bad.

[Dilaudid281]

I does require a few brains cells...my bad.

Is there even a point to all of this? Or do you have nothing better to do than post insults on a gaming forum?

[RoneNeffect]

lol u want them to redo all the manuals???!

LOL!!! Yeah that was part of the joke. Glad you got it! I try not to post too seriously (throw some humor in there). People act like the changes are life altering or something....:D

[ReignStorm]

Is there even a point to all of this? Or do you have nothing better to do than post insults on a gaming forum?

Ha, you mean like this gem? :cool:

"If you're truly that smart, why are you wasting your time posting here? Sounds to be as if someone needs to be taken down a notch to join everyone else around him lol."

[RoneNeffect]

You'll have to try much harder than that pal.

Make fun of my alcholic mom that is transgender and works at Dollar General* and that may cause a tear drop.

*my mom isn't alcoholic, transgender, or employed by the fine and lovely DG.

LOL...this guy is Hi-larious. At least keeps posting and keeping the thread alive. Just ignore him. He'll keep new people coming to the thread.

[ReignStorm]

LOL...this guy is Hi-larious. At least keeps posting and keeping the thread alive. Just ignore him. He'll keep new people coming to the thread.

Why would you want to ignore humor boss?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzR5u_5SUM0&feature=related

[Dilaudid281]

Why would you want to ignore humor boss?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZzR5u_5SUM0&feature=related

Only thing I can really say at this point....is simple...Van Halen :cool:

Atleast you got a good taste in music good sir lol.

[QuikSilver6645]

Granted it may be a real life stun grenade but it should not be implemented into multiplayer on GoW2... Keep it in campaign, private w/e but not on public imo.

[Maverick5762]

What would make the smoke grenade better is if the grenade turned the color of the team while throwing/planting it. This would make it easier to identify. As it is being thrown in the air it could also make a whistling sound so you know to evade accordingly. Also the smoke should last longer and go a little bit higher. But if nothing is changed, I will be fine with it. If they make it a pick up weapon, I will be happy with that. Oh and nice video, lol.


lolz. people who complain about smokes probably run in the middle of the map thinking they are unstoppable and a smoke lands and knocks them over, then they get killed.
Then next match they do it again.


lol i agree with both. Changing the smoke color as it flies and explodes from grey to red/blue would be pretty sweet. And I really dont think that there has been many problems with this game (except exploits and the shotgun crap earlier) except LAGGG wahhh :( the lag is annoying, you can't get used to it, you can't deal with it... it's like playing a guessing game with bullets.

[BENWAHLBAWLS]

SHUT THIS THING DOWN GEARS OF WAR!! thie Roneeffect dude is just talking trash and is irrelevant to anything.......... AND its not P-nades. look in your manual and tell me what it says. omg. AND if you have played GOW 1. THEN your contradicting your OWN ARGUMENT. They explode in GOW1 and there is no knocking on the ground. and

for your info they were called SMOKE gernades in GOW 1 also.

you smell like tuna and it disgusts me. lol

[Plank White]

yes ive had some exp spent time as 11b attached to first a.d. in the u.s. army and the white phosfuros comminly called a willie pete is pretty close to this with one minor exception A LOT MORE FLAME. our smoke grenades which also come in colors for marker puposes ,do have a minor pop nuthing to bad, but tend to spew out enorous amounts of smoke kind of resembling gears 1 , the gears 2 smoke more closley resembles a flash/bang which will put you on your ass but worse then that will temporarily blind you and can cause ear drums to burst. this is a favorite among swat and other tacticle raiding teams . you wouldnt throw a smoke in a house the charge in EVER.

[GBarrs]

this thread and it's creator make no sense out of the issue, please tell me how a smoke grenade can be changed into an incindiary when the grenade in this game produces no flames or burns on the character, nor do they actually do damage.

[G-Unit]

What?

What do Phosphorus Grenades and Gears 2 Smoke Grenades have in common? Nothing.

Completely way-off.

There is no fire, flash or anything of the sort.


I think, they need to make a smoke a smoke, and add a new grenade in Gears 3, titled: 'Stun Grenade' and have it as a power-nade pick-up during multi player ONLY and not have it when you spawn.

[Godlyx23]

Roneeffect, your the biggest mutha****kinn retard. Sorry but your trying to make something happen that will never happen. And you just sound like a idiot. "P-Nade". Lmao. This thread needs to shut down and this is the first time I ever said that due to a reatard idea and that Phosphorus is completely irrelevant from what a SMOKE greande should be.