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goldenkram
03-25-2009, 04:03 PM
I can't understand why people complain so much about 2-piecing. the way I see it, there are far more things to complain about. Now i'm gonna completely ignore the fact that cheating was the major issue for this post, and just stick to the problems with gameplay.

As i see it, before you complain about the 2-piece, and people who use its lack of skill, you should complain about a few other things first.

1. The most unskillful, unenjoyable kill you can get in gow 2 is the chainsaw kill, seeing as all you have to do is hold down a button, and get within 3 feet of a guy and he will automatically get sucked into the vacuum on the end of your gun

2. The double beat down. This requires slightly more skill than the chainsaw, but is yet another tactic used by noobs. Atleast this type of kill requires you to be facing the guy you are targetting, hit him, then avoid their shotgun blast, and then meleeing them again. Still a noob tactic, but i respect it slightly more than the chainsaw.

3. Camping with smokes. This tactic is (while i am not complaining about it I still think it is less skillful than the 2-piece) one that requires very little skill with the gun, but requires more skill than double melee because of the placement of the grenade. Once again, i respect this more than the other 2 previously mentioned, because it involves actual aiming, running, and some thought in the planting fo the grenade.

4 Now comes 2-piecing. Complain all you want about how you hated the delay, and you think it requires no skill, but it is still better than the previously mentioned techniques. Firstly, this requires you getting involved in a battle, and running right into and avoiding gunfire (which is one of the things that made gears awesome - despite it being unrealistic for a game about war), second, you need to get in the vicinity of a guy who most likely has a shotgun pointed at you, then after meleeing (which i agree doesn't take much skill), you have to shoot the guy without the help of the left trigger aimin technique to blast him in one shot, otherwise (if the guy has any skill) you will get blown apart.

Again, you can complain that you have no chance if you get two-pieced from behind, but lets face it... in war, if a guy comes up behind you with a shotgun at your backm your gonna die, no matter which method he chooses to kill you with.

Lastly, unrelated to the two-piece, I just waanted to comment on the smoke grenade... It was a great idea, but I thinkt heres a better alternative to what it does. I think that the effect of running into a smoke should be the same as what happens to you when your teammate fires the mortar in your vicinity. You stop in one place, shield your eyes for a second (not fall down), and then continue on your way.

Any thoughts?

SuperNT
03-25-2009, 04:13 PM
Man, I have no problem with any of the ways people choose to kill people. If you are sick of getting killed the same way over and over again, you have to find ways to conqour that. Defense is just as important as offense.

Chain saw? Run away..
Double Melee? Shotgun or roll away.
Camping? Distance Weapon (Hammer of Dawn)
2 peice? Learn to use distance or run away.

Never think that retreating is not a wimpy move.. It's a smart move.

goldenkram
03-25-2009, 04:15 PM
I am not complaining about any of the methods, all I was saying is that I dont understand why people complain about 2-piecing before any of the other ones.. I really just want to understand why epic actually decided to fix this 'problem' before any of the others.. i just wish they left it alone and dealt with cheaters

SuperNT
03-25-2009, 04:20 PM
Cheating is hard to deal with. There is always someone smarter out there that figures out a way to cheat, with nothing better to do with their time.

They did take a large step toward those issues. But those are the things we can't see. Many updates I'm sure we never see.

goldenkram
03-25-2009, 04:29 PM
I think host switching is a good step towards it (not sure if it is possible).. seeing as they can detect if someone is lagswitching and deduct points later, why not take action right away, maybe with switching of the host, and a week ban from gow??

Null Blazer
03-25-2009, 05:11 PM
i like the way you explain the way the 2 piece is suppose to work and the way it require skills couldnt had said it better

Pauley Paul
03-25-2009, 05:21 PM
okay first of all its not about dodging the shotgun attack i have had countless times where people would run straight through my active reloaded shotgun and two piece me!

SuperNT
03-25-2009, 05:23 PM
Not anymore, because they cant run and then two piece. They are delayed long enough for you to do something about it.

goldenkram
03-25-2009, 05:29 PM
okay first of all its not about dodging the shotgun attack i have had countless times where people would run straight through my active reloaded shotgun and two piece me!

thats not a problem with the two piece.. that is lag.. that will happen regardless

SuperNT
03-25-2009, 05:40 PM
There is NO problem with the two piece.. you just cant charge in anymore and do it when you are being blasted with fire.

I've also noticed the ink grenades are much more powerful :D

Null Blazer
03-25-2009, 05:42 PM
agree with the inks dude i love that MORE INK POWER FTW