please bring back shot out of roadie run back!

[bigrob209]

i want that quick shot out of roadie run back. it was the most fun thing to do in the game imo.now everyone just 2 pieces. they said it was to make the game more balanced but to it realy seems like it just made the chainsaw more powerful because when the game first came out if you were in a roadie run and someone came around a corner with a chainsaw you could sometimes get a quick shot off and kill them but now if your in a roadie run and someones around the corner with a chainsaw your pretty much dead unless you melee which most of the time doesnt even register. please bring it back! it made shotgun battles alot more fun. i dont know how taking it out made the game more balanced, can someone explain it to me or something? :(

[GreaseWD40]

I really enjoyed the quick shot out of the roadie run. I thought it was pretty fair considering if you are running towards someone to shot them out of the roadie, then they should have time to shoot you or move.

[snake85027]

Yea I agree with you two, they should bring it back, if I see some one and they are not paying attention to me, i should be able to run up there and get a good stealth kill.

[Invader Skooj]

I'm glad it's gone, anything to keep the shotgun from becoming the main weapon again. Now to fix the shotty range damage and two piecing.

[phatboyphive]

why do you want the shotgun to be weak????
The shotgun should be more convenient, Put back on the roadie-shot.
without it, it'll encourage two-piece.....

[Invader Skooj]

The Shotgun is supposed to be a upclose weapon for when things get tight. Not the only weapon to use. This destroyed any reason to really use cover and everybody just charged.

The shotgun ranged damage is to high. Unacceptable. Roadie-Shot is a cheap charge tactic. This game needs to reinforce the penalty for staying out of cover.

[GreaseWD40]

The Shotgun is supposed to be a upclose weapon for when things get tight. Not the only weapon to use. This destroyed any reason to really use cover and everybody just charged.

The shotgun ranged damage is to high. Unacceptable. Roadie-Shot is a cheap charge tactic. This game needs to reinforce the penalty for staying out of cover.


I agree that the shotgun is a close range weapon and their range damage is currently too high, but why not have the ability to shoot out of roadie? If range is decreased, this is exactly what the shotgun was intended for. Most players will have an easy defense for the roadie shotgun. But, the ability should be there to swiftly take out a foe that isn't paying attention. ;)

[Dread Krae]

the ability should be there to swiftly take out a foe that isn't paying attention.

I can see that... if they aren't paying attention. but, once upon a time, Gears was all about cover and staying down. I think that the quick fire out of running makes it even less likely you will shoot someone with the already neglected lancer. (Saws don't count as shooting) It's less about cover, now and more about running all willy-nilly to get up close.

[C I2 I M S 0 N]

Stick it in your signature and support the cause like i am doing.

Strength in Numbers.

[T SmokeyJoe]

The Shotgun is supposed to be a upclose weapon for when things get tight. Not the only weapon to use. This destroyed any reason to really use cover and everybody just charged.

The shotgun ranged damage is to high. Unacceptable. Roadie-Shot is a cheap charge tactic. This game needs to reinforce the penalty for staying out of cover.

I would like to meet the retard that uses the RR Shotgun as a "charge tactic" you can't "charge" with stopping power slowing you down. If you sir can not stop someone dumb enough to blindly charge you with the shotty, then you sir deserve to be gibbed.

I dare you to try to show me the "penalty" for staying out of cover.

[Invader Skooj]

I would like to meet the retard that uses the RR Shotgun as a "charge tactic" you can't "charge" with stopping power slowing you down. If you sir can not stop someone dumb enough to blindly charge you with the shotty, then you sir deserve to be gibbed.

I dare you to try to show me the "penalty" for staying out of cover.

Nobody uses cover anymore except for a quick heal. It's just shotguns now.

Did I mistakenly bought Shotguns of War?

The charge tactic is stupid and the stopping power though can help to avoid this, cannot stop three or two people charging. Sometimes the entire team just charges and it's honestly a very stupid tactic. There should be more of a emphasis on suppressing fire then pulling out shotty and charging.

Also the penalty for staying out of cover is D-E-A-T-H. What else did you think it would be.

[DEMOLITION M4N]

we need the rr shotty back cuz its crazy wen some is holdin a lancer n u need to shoot quick wen all dey gotta do is hold b n u dead. i 2 pc wen necessary and i shoot my hb wen needed im a varied type of shooter

[Concrete Zombie]

I mean what am i supposed to do with out the RR Shotgun?? Aim? maybe but i will have to wait two seconds while I'm resting.

[Invader Skooj]

It honestly not that difficult. I'm enjoying the no roadie shotgun. I use the shotgun when people start hitting medium to close range. Other then that, it's all position fighting and suppressive fire.

[Extreme Content]

The only people who support nerfing the shotgun, roadie run shotgun, two-piece, etc., are people who are bad at the game. And, since bad players outnumber good players, we're going to have to deal with nerfs. That's how it is now, that's how it'll be in Gears 3. And all of the people who are happy with the changes that have been made to make it easier for new/bad players to even the gap against old/good players will be right there with us complaining when the next game comes out, crying about how Epic is making the third game so easy that monkeys with no coordination can play and win consistently against "good" players from Gears 2.

[craptastic]

( extreme content ) your a absolute tool mate

[Invader Skooj]

Has anyone thought about using, oh I don't know, the other guns?!

[aRealClassAct]

The Shotgun is supposed to be a upclose weapon for when things get tight. Not the only weapon to use. This destroyed any reason to really use cover and everybody just charged.

The shotgun ranged damage is to high. Unacceptable. Roadie-Shot is a cheap charge tactic. This game needs to reinforce the penalty for staying out of cover.

People with the slightest bit of skill you would have no problem dropping the person before they get in range. Hammerburst > Shotgun. It comes down to learning how to aim. They already changed the impact the shotgun has in GoW2 by making it so bullets slow roadie runners. What more do you want? Epic isn't gonna just give people skills, and I'm sure even if they change all the things you want changed you'll still find something to complain about.

[aRealClassAct]

If anything they need to make it easier to stun chainsaw noobs. You can only roll away and shoot so many times before they vacuum you up.

[Invader Skooj]

People with the slightest bit of skill you would have no problem dropping the person before they get in range. Hammerburst > Shotgun. It comes down to learning how to aim. They already changed the impact the shotgun has in GoW2 by making it so bullets slow roadie runners. What more do you want? Epic isn't gonna just give people skills, and I'm sure even if they change all the things you want changed you'll still find something to complain about.


The problem is that Gears 2 has cheap things that people will spam (2 piecing for example).

I know people can't be given skill but people have to learn the penalty for bad decisions. Thus I'm saying increase penalty for staying out of cover and trying to rush.
The bullets slow down rushers yes, but everyone just uses chainsaws and shotguns and it has just ruined any fun possible with versus.

If they didn't want me to complain they should have had this fixed before release.

[aRealClassAct]

The problem is that Gears 2 has cheap things that people will spam (2 piecing for example).

I know people can't be given skill but people have to learn the penalty for bad decisions. Thus I'm saying increase penalty for staying out of cover and trying to rush.
The bullets slow down rushers yes, but everyone just uses chainsaws and shotguns and it has just ruined any fun possible with versus.

If they didn't want me to complain they should have had this fixed before release.

I see where your frustration is coming from, but the problem isn't a lack of no-cover penalizing, it's a lack of awareness. A whole team playing with strategy and anticipating the inevitable rush is going to beat a team of chainsaw/2 piece rushers at any given time on any given map.

[Invader Skooj]

The chainsaw can't be stopped and the shotgun is a more effective rifle then the Hammerburst.

There are balance issues and roadie shotgun was one of them.

[ChupathingyLRV]

Nobody uses cover anymore except for a quick heal. It's just shotguns now.

Did I mistakenly bought Shotguns of War?

The charge tactic is stupid and the stopping power though can help to avoid this, cannot stop three or two people charging. Sometimes the entire team just charges and it's honestly a very stupid tactic. There should be more of a emphasis on suppressing fire then pulling out shotty and charging.

Also the penalty for staying out of cover is D-E-A-T-H. What else did you think it would be.

Well, if you are getting charged by 2 or 3 of them... where are your teammates? or, where is ur sense? Run, get a better position, slow them down with hammerburst fire, and when it gets close, nail em with the shotgun. I am glad the range is down on the shotgun, but the RR shotgun should not have been removed. Most of the ppl here are argueing that it negates the whole idea of the cover system, but the RR shotgun has NOTHING to do with it. If they RR at you, you fire at them. Wear them down as they get close with a ranged weapon, or if they are already near, you will be able to land a shotgun HS on them as their head will be right on your barrel. You have the advantage still. The RR shotgun is good as a player who has gotten that close to you has basically "beaten" your cover if you are in it, and guess what? you should be dead by that shotty when he is so close to you. The whole idea of the RR shotty is to destroy ppl who camp in cover excessively and have a sissy fight as they attempt to blindfire the other dude who also is in cover. Shotgun rush, ftw. If you don't like it, develop some skill with a long range weapon. You can enjoy your cover, we can enjoy our shotty. I prefer both.



Has anyone thought about using, oh I don't know, the other guns?!

Well, the issue is with the shotgun. And yes, everybody uses other guns. Torques, Snipers, Booms, frags, inks, boltoks (i <3), mortars, grinders... I used to use them on a regular basis when I played Gears 2 MP, and I'm sure most ppl still do. That doesnt mean the shotgun should be completely gone. Matter of fact, it is a much more skilled weapon that the other ones listed besides maybe boltok, mortars (if not excessively spammed I guess), and sniper, which is why it should be at a high priority on our arsenal and which is why many private game hosts remove the other weapons.


The chainsaw can't be stopped and the shotgun is a more effective rifle then the Hammerburst.

There are balance issues and roadie shotgun was one of them.

Hammerburst will beat a shotgun in a solid battle if the shotgun is not right up next to the person and if the person weilding the HB has any skill. If he is too close, you just roll back as you change to your shotgun, and engage is a good fight to the finish.

[Invader Skooj]

Well, if you are getting charged by 2 or 3 of them... where are your teammates? or, where is ur sense? Run, get a better position, slow them down with hammerburst fire

My team consist of monkeys playing a xbox.

I have killed tons of people with the hammerburst and continue to do so. But there are annoying this like the Shotgun doing more damage from far away (It's happened to everyone and it's total bull), the extensive amounts of life people seem to have when they're down (We all have those moments when we down someone and blow the living hell out of them and they're still crawling), The wall bouncing will help negate stopping power and that get's really annoying when you have three guys wall bouncing at you.


I am glad the range is down on the shotgun

Uh, no it's not.


but the RR shotgun should not have been removed. Most of the ppl here are argueing that it negates the whole idea of the cover system, but the RR shotgun has NOTHING to do with it. If they RR at you, you fire at them. Wear them down as they get close with a ranged weapon, or if they are already near, you will be able to land a shotgun HS on them as their head will be right on your barrel. You have the advantage still.

Roadie shotgun just promoted run up and RR Shotgun. Everyone did it to each other and it's just retarded. Also the random ranged damage of the shotgun meant that you can RR shotgun without getting close. The maps with larger areas like River, Hail, and Day One are the maps where RRS becomes useless. But smaller maps like Blood Drive, Ruins, and Stasis are RRS maps because it's cluttered. Thankfully, there are no more Roadie run, just that stupid two piece.


The whole idea of the RR shotty is to destroy ppl who camp in cover excessively and have a sissy fight as they attempt to blindfire the other dude who also is in cover. Shotgun rush, ftw. If you don't like it, develop some skill with a long range weapon. You can enjoy your cover, we can enjoy our shotty. I prefer both.

RRS was just an issue of balancing. There was no point. Also this game IS a cover game. I'd rather use long range weapons because I enjoy position fighting. I can still use the shotgun just fine and got plenty of nice kills with it but I don't want to just be pulling out my shotty in the beginning of the game because it's ungodly powerful which was the situation in Gears 1.

I'm awesome with long range weapons and I take down tons of shotgun players with the hammerburst upclose. But what I hate is the two piecing and the bizarre ranges on the shotgun. The roadie shotgun was just as unbalanced and spammed just as much as the two piecing.

If you don't have any other strategy other than RRS, better learn some new tricks.


Well, the issue is with the shotgun. And yes, everybody uses other guns. Torques, Snipers, Booms, frags, inks, boltoks (i <3), mortars, grinders... I used to use them on a regular basis when I played Gears 2 MP, and I'm sure most ppl still do. That doesnt mean the shotgun should be completely gone. Matter of fact, it is a much more skilled weapon that the other ones listed besides maybe boltok, mortars (if not excessively spammed I guess), and sniper, which is why it should be at a high priority on our arsenal and which is why many private game hosts remove the other weapons.

Unfortunately, most players don't use them well (Came off a game today where my team kept killing themselves with anything explosive, oh joy)

But I've been noticing more players using other weapons but that's only on territories. Elimination is cheap central where players want quick easy kills. So they spam the shotgun which provides it due to the fact it's so unstable and unbalanced.


Hammerburst will beat a shotgun in a solid battle if the shotgun is not right up next to the person and if the person weilding the HB has any skill. If he is too close, you just roll back as you change to your shotgun, and engage is a good fight to the finish.

Not true when I was near death by one shotgun shot from the other side of Blood Drive. Like I said before, the range damage is way too high.

[ChupathingyLRV]

Well, I was taking range and damage hand in hand, so I really meant how hard the shotty hits from a certain range. Overall shotty had decreased from Gears 1, which isn't inherently bad.

For teammates, trying going in with a couple of friends. Usually helps. But I agree, there are many dopes on LIVE. BTW, in Gears 2, wall bouncing is significantly reduced, so you should be able to hit them hard enough if they are charging you. The thing is, having 3 ppl running at you is just a death sentence anyways in most games besides like CoD where the shots are critical, or unless you whip out some mad skills and/or they suck.

Gears as a cover game gets ludicrously boring however. No skill, no tact, nothing. I agree you can be smart about it, but the game really thrives on fast paced action.


Oh, and btw, RRS is not my only trick. No where have I said or implied that. This thread is about that particular ability/strategy.

[GEO COG]

I think it would give gears back some of the good ol' times of gow1,and give you a reason to roadie run into battle or run at all.

[bodysnatcher]

y was it taken out anyway they put stopping power on lancer and hammerburst so that should stop someone just running right at u

[Invader Skooj]

y was it taken out anyway they put stopping power on lancer and hammerburst so that should stop someone just running right at u

They're trying to prevent reasons for rushing.



Well, I was taking range and damage hand in hand, so I really meant how hard the shotty hits from a certain range. Overall shotty had decreased from Gears 1, which isn't inherently bad.

For teammates, trying going in with a couple of friends. Usually helps. But I agree, there are many dopes on LIVE. BTW, in Gears 2, wall bouncing is significantly reduced, so you should be able to hit them hard enough if they are charging you. The thing is, having 3 ppl running at you is just a death sentence anyways in most games besides like CoD where the shots are critical, or unless you whip out some mad skills and/or they suck.

Gears as a cover game gets ludicrously boring however. No skill, no tact, nothing. I agree you can be smart about it, but the game really thrives on fast paced action.


Oh, and btw, RRS is not my only trick. No where have I said or implied that. This thread is about that particular ability/strategy.

I wasn't saying it was your only trick, I'm talking about people who obsess over that and make 50 threads about it.

Maybe I'll be more happy if they made a hardcore type mode where you still have the same amount of life but your healing time is greatly increased. My hope in doing this is to at least make the risk of taking on damage, greater by having that damage stay with you for a while.

[ChupathingyLRV]

I like your idea in ur sig (longer healing times). This will keep people from rushing as shots will hurt for a while and ppl who are rushing will recongize they need to get back in cover as often, its not the first shot after the roadie run that kills. its the follow-up. (yes, I know you can gib someone if you close, but sometimes, no matter how good you are, it just doesn't gib em.) So now, the person is weak, has left a heavy dmg on you, and now you can retaliate. Yeeaahh!!! lol. This dmg will force people to move cover to cover.

[Invader Skooj]

Y'know thinking about increasing healing time, you might be able to use that to balance the roadie shot. If you see somebody running at you, you can shoot him up. He may die but if not, you can try to escape and if you do, he's hurt as hell. Also if he get's you, you helped a teammate out because now he's near death and he can't take on much.

I understand when he's not looking you want that quick clean kill, that is one thing roadie was good for but we need a way to balance head on charges. I think slower healing with be a great way of punishment for bad strategy.

[ChupathingyLRV]

okay. Reason why roadie run shotgun should be brought back:
Yesterday, decided to play some Gears 2 rather than 1 cuz a friend of a friend didn't have the first. Very first match, second round, I am able to get behind two guys and am ready to absolutely own they as they have no idea I am there. I rodie run up to one who is on cover and press R.... oops, damn i forgot. Gotta wait a few moments for some wierd reason... now, the guy sees me because its third person, and I am basically running into him on the wall frantically pressing R, lol. He turns, presses B, I get stunned. His buddy sees me as well and comes down and meelees me: double-melee beat down. FUN! especially considering i was the one being tactical.

[Invader Skooj]

That's just a matter of forgetting a change. I usually just get close then aim and it blows them to bits.

[xSCMx BuLLeTz]

any1 who duznt like the roadie run shotgun is a noob. im sorry. iys just that was such a sick thing 2 do. it was fun. now u have u 2 effin stop b4 u can shoot any1 w it. bring it back. now its jus 2 easy 2 get chainsawed. damn noobz.

[Invader Skooj]

any1 who duznt like the roadie run shotgun is a noob. im sorry. iys just that was such a sick thing 2 do. it was fun. now u have u 2 effin stop b4 u can shoot any1 w it. bring it back. now its jus 2 easy 2 get chainsawed. damn noobz.

Awwww can't think of any other strategy. Uh Oh, I think that means your a noob.

[Misael81600]

I'm glad it's gone, anything to keep the shotgun from becoming the main weapon again. Now to fix the shotty range damage and two piecing.

There's a reason you start off with the shotty. Not every1 gets the boom, torque ,snipe. 5 man team, you didn't get a power weapon so you want a weak shotty? People call this a cover game, yet right. Check ur stats I bet you don't spend 5% of ur time in cover. Staring at a wall waiting for some1 to come ur way is hiding. Hiding is a tatic, part of the game. Gow1 was great cause of the shotty , I don't think it was the actives. People still rushed in Gow1 even if you could get downed with a active to ur toe. You're still going to get rushed in Gow2. Stop taking things away to make the game weaker, add things to make better.

[Crack A Bottle]

Make the shotgun the way it was in gears of war 1! it was so much better! Gears of war 2 is just a laggy chainsawing sausage feast! When people think of gears of war they instantly think chainsaw on the top of your gun but why do they think this it's not original to gears of war it was in doom!

[Invader Skooj]

There's a reason you start off with the shotty. Not every1 gets the boom, torque ,snipe. 5 man team, you didn't get a power weapon so you want a weak shotty? People call this a cover game, yet right. Check ur stats I bet you don't spend 5% of ur time in cover. Staring at a wall waiting for some1 to come ur way is hiding. Hiding is a tatic, part of the game. Gow1 was great cause of the shotty , I don't think it was the actives. People still rushed in Gow1 even if you could get downed with a active to ur toe. You're still going to get rushed in Gow2. Stop taking things away to make the game weaker, add things to make better.

It's a cover game and I prefer using cover because I'm not the dumbass like most players who runs out and get's killed. I like using Grenade mines because I'm good with it. Ink Grenades rock because I plan on where is a good spot to catch everyone and just open fire to down up to 3 people sometimes.

I don't like using the shotgun in EVERY game. It becomes just simply boring and unfortunately since everybody is charging, it's become my best weapon according to my stats. You don't have to make the shotgun weaker but instead balance it out.

Don't confuse the word "Balance" to mean weaker. Balance can mean just a simple tweak or change that keeps the weapon effective but not over-powered.


Also please stop butchering the English language.

[Mich hciM]

The only people who support nerfing the shotgun, roadie run shotgun, two-piece, etc., are people who are bad at the game. And, since bad players outnumber good players, we're going to have to deal with nerfs. That's how it is now, that's how it'll be in Gears 3. And all of the people who are happy with the changes that have been made to make it easier for new/bad players to even the gap against old/good players will be right there with us complaining when the next game comes out, crying about how Epic is making the third game so easy that monkeys with no coordination can play and win consistently against "good" players from Gears 2.

Exactly,
+1

[Invader Skooj]

No I think it's more like Cheap Players outnumber Good Players. We choose not to use the shotty or chainsaw because we can still kick ass with other weapons but it's annoying when we went through this time to LEARN how to play the game and douche bags just hold B or Press B and RT and win. That's what's happening here.

[UnsaidME]

I agree bring it back.

[avatar226]

i realy don't think it matters to much about the roadie running part...just use your hammer burst and you own anyone lol trust me i get at least 9 kills of ppl trying to rush me with their shotty its just to easy to counter the shotty

[x Angelface o]

The Shotgun is supposed to be a upclose weapon for when things get tight. Not the only weapon to use. This destroyed any reason to really use cover and everybody just charged.

The shotgun ranged damage is to high. Unacceptable. Roadie-Shot is a cheap charge tactic. This game needs to reinforce the penalty for staying out of cover.

I do agree that the shot gun is suposed to be an upclose weapon. BUT its certainly not the only gun people use in gears . I would LOVE to see someone kill someone else with a shotgun agross map. That would be amazing. I don't hate gears of war 2 its just not that interesting to me. they should give you baseball bats instead of guns. And make specail gears controllers that just have the B button on it. it seems like everyone melees anymore. If you ask me thats not fun. Match making sucks,the ranks are stupid, this is gears not halo. If this game was as good as people claim it to be then why do people have to cheat to get kills. bridge to get host. its dumb. And if they dont change it. It will stay dumb, You fail EPIC.. FAILLLLLLLLL

Id play gears1 over gears2 anyday, I love my shotty and love my sniper, <3

[Dragonisseth]

Yes. But I don't know how well the torpedo method would work in Gears 2 because the mobility is pretty limited compared to Gears 1.

[Telaco]

your right Gears and Halo are two different things. and thats what most people fail to see when they play halo and get like 20 kills, then after a while they put in gears 2 and get raped. In gears you need to think before you act. if you switch to your shotgun and rush out after you spawn, then your not thinking. Halo you just run and shoot, not too much thinking needed with that game. So in short, think before you act and you live. also work with your team, and don't try to be "hot shot" and get more kills than anyone on your team.

[SeXySlaSh]

Dude GOW 2 is all about the shotgun, if u like lancer or ****ty stuff like that GO PLAY CALL OF DUTY.. u can just hit "RT using a P90" and u will be okay...
Here u play different... wow u know what i hate bout this forum? 99% of the people that replys and talk r NOOBS, that's why they dont get our point.

[SeXySlaSh]

I'm glad it's gone, anything to keep the shotgun from becoming the main weapon again. Now to fix the shotty range damage and two piecing.

Noob right there folks... as i said.. IF U DONT WANT SHOTGUN TO BE THE MAIN WEAPON, GO TO PLAY CALL OF DUTY or another stupid game....

[DEMOLITION M4N]

invader skooj i have 2 suggestions 1.get a full party of ur friends. play elimination warzone u can hb peps n get da kill.in execution play back where you know people cant bumrush you with da shotty along with ur team with hbs. have people watch ur flank simple. 2 hb vs 2 shotty 2hb>2rrs i play with vec guido da number 4 ranked person in execution if u dont believe me wutever. we were da only two people in our party we hb n won 90 percent of our matches. when sum1 start getting close whipd out da shotty n blam down n kept doing that without camping. 2. play halo 3 MLG Playlist all BRs since u like shooting people with range

[DEMOLITION M4N]

in gow2 u simpily cant solo kill u need to stay in groups of 2 3 or 4
if all else fails play gow1 a much better game than gow 2.
Wall BOuNCe FTW

[Invader Skooj]

Noob right there folks... as i said.. IF U DONT WANT SHOTGUN TO BE THE MAIN WEAPON, GO TO PLAY CALL OF DUTY or another stupid game....

Call of Duty is just worse first of all and 2nd of all



HAHAHA YOU GOT NO ROADIE SHOTGUN. MY ASS, KISS IT SIR!


That's what I think of people who believe the shotgun is the main weapon in the game.

[likedamaster]

Gears 1 was perfect except for the insta-downs from an active sniper shot. Epic should have just tweaked that and left the rest alone. Give us new/different maps and slapped a big 2 on Gears and sold it. I would've bought it!

I still purchased Gears 2, collector's edition for that matter. Although, I have since stopped playing and went back to Gears 1(pc) I wish I could go back to it but only if it plays as well as Gears 1.

[teggeta]

The Shotgun is supposed to be a upclose weapon for when things get tight. Not the only weapon to use. This destroyed any reason to really use cover and everybody just charged.

The shotgun ranged damage is to high. Unacceptable. Roadie-Shot is a cheap charge tactic. This game needs to reinforce the penalty for staying out of cover.

Yes, but if you are in cover with a Hammerburst (if you use Lancer you deserve to die, that's a chainsaw with a gun attached) and a guy comes up to you and kills you with a shotgun, because you couldn't make good use of the Hammerburst, then you're bad, and I don't like you:).

[Invader Skooj]

Yes, but if you are in cover with a Hammerburst (if you use Lancer you deserve to die, that's a chainsaw with a gun attached) and a guy comes up to you and kills you with a shotgun, because you couldn't make good use of the Hammerburst, then you're bad, and I don't like you:).

Obviously that is true (about the being behind cover part), except if there is lag or host (who seems to have 3X the health) but sometimes you're not even that close and you fill this dude with enough lead to blow open a bunker and he get's some bull**** shot and kills you because the shotty is weird like that. I think the last shotgun fix should help balance things out. We'll see the 24th.

[Cabooseli]

I don't really know why they took out shooting out of roadie run. There are so many better things they could have done than this. It makes no sense and it makes the already weak shotgun weaker.

[Troggie]

There's a delicate balance between everything, but I think Epic are taking it too far by nerfing realistic capabilities. Here are my suggestions:

1. 1 second delay for fire and melee after RR. Basically, enough of a delay for someone to shoot/melee someone that tries attacking headfirst.
2. Less damage dealt by shotgun over distance. You'll have to be closer for 1-shot kills, and shotgun will be less suited for ranged attacks.
3. Less damage dealt from shotgun melee. Combined with the decrease ranged damage will make it harder to 2-piece, but still possible for skilled players.

[lllHIGHllLIFElll]

Can't say im totally against the shot out of roadie run as long as the melee out of rr from the next patch is kept. I hate melee punchers. That said too many people in Gears1 only used all bouncing and rr shotgun.

You might think your elite but thats just boring. I support the way Epic has changed the game to a slower paced cover game like it was meant to be. It might take a while to get everything tweaked right but its getting there. As it stand the shotgun is not the best weapon. But that means that the other guns are getting much more use now.

Personally the range on the shotty should be reduced and its effectiveness up close increased by a slight increase in its fire rate.

I can't believe the number of times that I have crept up behind someone, filled the reticule with their upper torso/head, fired, *nothing f**king happens*, then the bas**rd turns and punches to stun me. I don't know if its lag, shotty bullet lag or what, but its damn annoying.