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OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 06:28 PM

*Title Update 3 releases MARCH 24th with the new achievements. The Snowblind Map Pack releases MARCH 31st. GRINDYARD, COURTYARD, UNDERHILL, AND FUEL DEPOT ARE THE MAPS. IT'LL BE 800 MSP.*

*To See Pictures of the NEW Map Underhill check out this link.*

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y285/GcRayden/Underhill1.jpg?t=1237383866

*Here's a more official site with the same pic.*

http://features.cgsociety.org/story_custom.php?story_id=4831

*To see Courtyard (The Gears 1 PC Version) in action click here:*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTeyXLO7R1U

*Go to the Gamespot Link for more info on TU3.*
http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6206057.html?tag=latestheadlines;title;1

*Go to the Gears Of War.com Link for more OFFICIAl info on TU3.*
http://gearsofwar.xbox.com/Templates/Secondary.aspx?id=1406

*Starting now, all new updates will be highlighted in gold.*

*The quotes with no blue arrow come from a private message, or a comment on someone's user profile.*

Here's some news from the Epic staff on upcoming fixes.

Please try to keep general discussion/questions about the TU in this thread.

Last Update: 8:30pm EST [GMT-5]--03/24/2009

Current status:
RELEASED

Latest Server-Side Fixes

Two piecing has been tweaked on the server, to give the victim a good chance at dodging the attack after being stunned:

Hey all,

I wanted to let you know that we just made a tweak to help with two-piecing. We didn't want to nerf the attacker as that seems unfair so instead we reduced the melee stagger recovery time a tiny bit. This creates a small window in which the defender can now evade away from the attacker before being shotgunned. Obviously evading perpindicular is always the best choice.

Anyway, give it a try and let us know what you think!

Thanks,

Rod.

Fixes Coming to Title Update 3

According to Joe Graf's Vistor Message, players will no longer be able to bridge to host:

We have detection code that prevents them from hosting any more.

Chainsaw "Invincibility" to be fixed:
We've found the issue and are fixing for TU3. Thanks everyone for their dedication in helping to track the problem down.

Thanks,

Rod.

Update to release March 24th! Along with new map pack and achievements! Get the news from Gamespot! :

http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6206057.html?tag=latestheadlines;title;1 (http://uk.gamespot.com/news/6206057.html?tag=latestheadlines;title;1)

You will get up 2 seconds after being stunned by a smoke, no matter what:
We stopped it's duration being dependent on animation and so now everyone begins to get back up after 2 seconds regardless. This is likely to make getting up look less cool but it won't be as agonizing when you're caught sliding down stairs. We've also enabled ourselves greater control over balance issues with smoke grenades.

Thanks,

Rod.250 points worth of new achievements coming:
We're allowed to add up to 250 points, and we're taking full advantage :)

Thanks,

Rod.
You will see achievements tied to the new leveling system (5 in fact) and it would make a lot of sense to release some new content soon after the title update is released... :)

Thanks,

Rod.Only host will lose experience if he quits:
No, if the host quits, only the host will lose experience.

Thanks,

Rod.
Rank 100 will use the Rank 5 symbol:
Actually, that's where we ended up. There are 100 levels and level 100 uses the "rank 5" icon instead of a number.

Thanks,

Rod.
New shotgun shield glitch has been fixed. Look at these quotes:
Thanks rod

Please help me get epic to read this thanks.

NEW SHOTGUN SHIELD GLITCH
LETS HELP EPIC FIX IT IN TU3 (http://gearsforums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=659295)

Already taken care of in TU3.

Thanks,

Rod.

Info on how long it'll take TU3 to release.
Soon! We're in final testing before submitting to certification.

Thanks,

Rod.
We don't know yet. It's dependent upon when we can get a cert slot and how soon they can get it through cert. Cert is normally 2 weeks, but getting a cert slot can be weeks from when the code is ready.
Well we haven't submitted it to cert yet and that usually takes two weeks to complete. That's the best I can do for now, we're close though.

Thanks,

Rod.
The TU3 will be out sometime next week! official

Not next week, but very soon

A country preference system is being added:
A country filtering option will be in TU3. It doesn't restrict you to your country because otherwise certain areas of the world would be unlikely to play a match. It will always prefer your country when there is a match/party available.
We aren't putting a filter in. We have a country preference, not filter[/color]Players who quit are going to be replaced by bots:
No it still won't allow join in progress in Public matches but it would allow us to do something like replace the dropped player with a bot...

Rod.
Bots will replace dropped players. Being killed by a bot is still dead, so yes it affects your k/d ratio.Bots will be using the insane mode difficulty, look at these private messages.
Joe, what difficulty will be the bots that replace the players that quit? I'm assuming Insane right? Because those are the only bots that one could potentially play competitively. Thanks.
Insane

Rank is being looked at:
It's a decent thought. We're definitely looking at rank right now and how it could be improved...

Thanks,

Rod.
Hey all,

So we've been looking at all the feedback on our skill ranking system and we completely understand why simply making your TrueSkill level visible can be frustrating. The algorithm is complex, so it's not always clear how your rank will be affected by a particular match and your rank is based on the team's outcome and not necessarily your individual performance.

So we're looking to make a change.

What if, instead of skill rank, we instead showed your experience level. You would gain experience through your individual performance in Public multiplayer matches - the higher your score at the end, the more experience you acquire. Of course the experience gained across the different match types would be balanced so you couldn't just grind on the respawning game types to try and level faster. The experience requirements for each level would grow with each level gained (like a typical RPG) and we'd have 99 levels of experience for you to show off your leetness.

Generally speaking your level will always go up since you're always acquiring more score, hence experience, with each completed match. The only exception to that would be people quitting. Players that quit would gain an experience penalty that could cause them to be demoted. At the end of every match you will be able to see how much experience you've gained and how much further you have to go till the next level.

Since I know what one of the first questions is going to be, initially we wouldn't have achievements for gaining experience levels because of Xbox LIVE rules that require all post release achievements to be tied to new DLC content. But when new DLC is released, it's a whole new ball game then. :)

So, what do you think?

Thanks,

Rod.The Meatflag will no longer glitch out of the map:
We do have a tweak for the flag running off for no reason so that should help somewhat.The Sniper hit detection is being fixed:
Sniper has been fixed in the next TU. It was driving me crazy too.
It's not a hit box problem, but it was due to incorrect rays being used. That caused elevation related issues, which is why it's inconsistent and not out right unpossible.
Host Migration is being "experimented" with, but the chances of it coming in TU3 are slim. I thought it'd be nice add these quotes anyway:
I assumed that you'd search for Gears1 posts on the subject and see that I said that our architecture makes host migration hard if not impossible. I have come up with a way to do that, but it won't come in a time frame that you'll find acceptable. It's easy to say "I want host migration" just like it's easy to say "I want you to build me a house". Both take time and Internet forums generally aren't what people would call patient
Keep in mind, that I wrote 100% of the Live code for all Epic's games, so I am familiar with how they work.

I meant network architecture. Halo is similar but differs in some key ways that aren't trivial for us to change. They are different because they were meant to deal with different design goals.
We're definitely looking at better solutions for the hosting issues but nothing to announce immediately. As for host migration, that is extremely difficult. Not impossible, so it's not off the table but it would take a considerable amount of work so it's not something that would happen in the short term.

Thanks,

Rod.

Miscellaneous info from Rod:
I'm sorry. It wasn't addressed in this TU because it's not actually an easy problem to solve and will require time to come up with the right solution for everyone. In the mean time we wanted to get all the exploit fixes released as soon as we could.

We know it's an issue and we're continuing to look at it and work on it.

Thanks for your patience.

Rod.
Yes, if we were to tweak something in a permanent way then we would let you know. We usually try to have any big weapon tweaks coincide with title update releases so that they're part of the release notes for easy reading.

We're actually continuing to work on the quitting penalty stuff so please stay tuned as it may soon change.

Thanks,

Rod.
Not at this moment. We were not happy that Gears 1 devolved into a hardcore game of people rolling and roadie running at each other all the time with shotguns. The game is meant to be somewhat tatical and that's not how it ended up. BTW to be clear, you can fire after roadie running, just not instantly, which was a cheap tactic.

Thanks,

Rod. Lag is set to be "prevented" in this Title Update:
We have some bandwidth tweaks but there's no silver bullet there. The biggest factor in lag honestly is the host's upstream bandwidth. We're optimistic that with the tweaks we've made and Joe's changes to the backend matchmaking that it should reduce the issue.

Thanks,

Rod.
Two Piecing is adressed:
The 2-piece is on our list to fix in the next TU. A partial fix was placed on our servers this afternoon and limits the usefulness of the technique.More weapon balance will be coming:
We will continue to adjust balance of the weapons over time. TU2 allowed us more finely grained control of updating our weapons via our servers. We'll use this to tweak balance in an ongoing basis. For instance, a change went in today to reduce the effectiveness of the "2-piece"On the subject of unranked playlists/player matches:
We're exploring lots of options but I can't say for certain what we will or won't do.The Epic Crew plans on doing some "experimenting" with playlists:
We really do not know. But the good news is that as of TU2 we can tweak a lot more parameters within the game without a new title update (more of that coming in TU3). In addition it is time for us to start trying a few things with the playlists.
I've said this in a bunch of different threads and maybe haven't said it here. As part of TU3 we will be optimizing the playlists so stay tuned. I think you'll be pleased.

Thanks,

Rod.

Epic plans on addressing standbyers to some extent.
We're working on ideas to put folks who standby in their proper place. But we can't elaborate on them at this point in time.Cliffy B posted! :D He mentioned a possible fix on Smoke Grenades.
::wipes sleep from eyes::

Wha? I'm here! What's up?

Smoke grenades can be a bit annoying. We're looking into it.Some more miscellaneous info.
Yes I believe there are more things we can tweak without an update and even more cool things planned for TU3. At lunch the other day Cliff said he'd love to try something like "Smoke Free Fridays". We're also discussing mixing up the playlists. Believe it or not, a lot of the conversations we have about the online gameplay mirror, and are very influenced, by the (more civil) conversations in this forum. So keep it civil, think about the implications of your requests and listen to people who (nicely) disagree with you. Even in times when you think we're not listening the good debates absolutely filter through to us.After being convinced that people should be allowed to talk freely to their opponents between rounds, Mark Rein says:
Another good point. I'll pass these along. To counter the inability to shoot directly after roadie running, the ability to melee/chainsaw after roadie running is being addressed as well. Check out JoeGraf's response to someone else's post as well as this quote from Rod:
After the TU2 you can't shotgun straight after roadie run yet you can still 2 piece/chainsaw. Was there really a point of that? I say fix melee/chainsaw straight after roadie run too.
Yes. It's on the list.
We're responding by adding the same delay to melee so that it's fair.

Thanks,

Rod.

Weapon balancing on certain maps is being addressed:
We are working on fixing Subway's balance issues.
BTW, we do make decisions based off of the data. For instance, Hail and Subway are undergoing balancing due to the numbers showing a decided advantage. Hail already was adjusted and Subway will be in the next TU
JoeGraf has hinted MORE EFFECTIVE solutions to fix standbying and cheating. Look at these quotes:
Didn't they do that in Gow 1 with the message saying "The connection has dropped or something" press B to leave or wait?

And it had too many false positives. I am looking into a better solution than the code I did for Gears1.
Don't worry. I am actively looking into ways to combat the cheating. It's not a trivial problem, but we are working on solutions. They make me just as mad as they make you.
Be patient. TU3 will have a present from me to the standby-er and by extension a gift from me to all the players.
I did mean that person won't get to play. However, I did write some special standby punishment code for the people that do it post TU3. They will be sad.[/color]Graf was asked if he's ever been standbyed, this was his response:
Only once out of all the matches I've played. Yes, I intend to add special code so they no longer play MP

Other Stuff

Miscellaneous Info on how penalizing quitters works (TU2) :

If you quit a match, you are put on a 3rd team (for non-Wingman). That 3rd team records a loss to both of the other teams. That means the single player that stays is given a win over a larger team and therefore gets more rank. So even if you lose 5 v 1, you still win a 1 v 4.

If you are expected to lose and then fulfill that, you aren't penalized. You only lose rank when you are expected to win and fail to do so.

K/D Does NOT affect Rank (TU2).

k/d is irrelevant

For more information about the Microsoft Certification Process, please click Here (http://www.kotaku.com.au/games/2008/11/so_how_long_do_sony_and_microsofts_approvals_proce sses_take-2.html).

If you wish to suggest something for TU3, please click Here (http://gearsforums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=653898).

If you have not seen X-Play's CliffyB Interview, you can see it Here (http://g4tv.com/thefeed/blog/post/692599/X-Play-Cliff-Bleszinski-on-Gears-of-War-2.html).

If you feel I have missed anything, please post a link and I will add it.

Put these codes into your sig to spread the word!

Click Here for Official TU3 Info! (http://gearsforums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=654492)

Wonder What is Coming in TU3? Click Here! (http://gearsforums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=654492)
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Thank you for reading.

3p3i3n3c3h

01-22-2009, 06:31 PM

Well, if this is true, waiting times will be longer.

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 06:34 PM

Well, if this is true, waiting times will be longer.

I wouldn't think so, to be honest.

eat Zeppelin

01-22-2009, 06:36 PM

I wouldn't think so, to be honest.
Agreed. And even if there are. Well. ****ing. Worth it.

HaydenH

01-22-2009, 06:37 PM

Well, if this is true, waiting times will be longer.

Would you like to wait 3 minutes to get into a lag less match, or 1 minute and barely able to play?

NeMeSiS446

01-22-2009, 06:37 PM

Agreed. And even if there are. Well. ****ing. Worth it.

also true :P, maybe in the same TU they can do something with matchmaking too.

3p3i3n3c3h

01-22-2009, 06:37 PM

I guess your right, as long as it does not restict to your country only. Lets just hope thee are enough players support each region if it is.

darkslayer1458

01-22-2009, 06:37 PM

Agreed. And even if there are. Well. ****ing. Worth it.

Or is it...?

Thuone

01-22-2009, 06:37 PM

Great news! I only have a problem when playing in the mornings, but will be sure to use it then.

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 06:38 PM

Agreed. And even if there are. Well. ****ing. Worth it.

Agreed. This update right here will more or less be the final piece to the puzzle. Gears 2 with no glitches, and no lag = pure win. All they need to do is add an error screen whenever a standby occurs and this will be the best game I've played in ages.

FullMetalCake

01-22-2009, 06:39 PM

its not really a cort room these forums, if he doesnt come true ( most likely, but i hope not ) we cant do anything really

Sirril

01-22-2009, 06:40 PM

Sounds good. Roll on TU3. :D

Legolas

01-22-2009, 06:41 PM

Agreed. This update right here will more or less be the final piece to the puzzle. Gears 2 with no glitches, and no lag = pure win. All they need to do is add an error screen whenever a standby occurs and this will be the best game I've played in ages.

True, today i spent the most time on Gears of War 2 in one day thank i have before.

Hostile1398

01-22-2009, 06:42 PM

I think that you should be able to modify the settings to your own personal preferences. If you want to limit your games to only your country or curtain countries then you should b able 2. Like the major countries and then regions for the smaller countries. Also on the note of host they need to add a host migration so that when the host leaves it picks a new one instead of just ending the game.

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 06:43 PM

True, today i spent the most time on Gears of War 2 in one day thank i have before.

I play it a lot and a lot of my friends who gave up have started playing it again as well. Epic is doing a fine job, just a few more tweaks to go. :)

ObamaIsFail

01-22-2009, 06:47 PM

Holy Cow! NEAT!

rnm1789

01-22-2009, 06:52 PM

hopefully relatively soon

MarcusYaHur

01-22-2009, 06:54 PM

thank god

Legolas

01-22-2009, 06:55 PM

What can i say? They get **** done.

6od

01-22-2009, 06:57 PM

Country setting sounds great. Also matchmaking needs to be fixed so it chooses the best connection.

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 06:59 PM

Hey let's try and keep this thread alive, that way we don't see 500 other ones complaining about lag. This thread actually has proof that they're fixing it. So keep posting!

Imploding Whale

01-22-2009, 06:59 PM

I would rather have long matchmaking times than having horrendously laggy matches.

NeMeSiS446

01-22-2009, 07:03 PM

Country setting sounds great. Also matchmaking needs to be fixed so it chooses the best connection.

Agreed, and if any mods read this, when can we expect to hear any new updates from you guys?:)

Albert92

01-22-2009, 07:04 PM

Stuff the wait, I have to wait ages to connect to america/players so I can play with them anyway. I sure the wait will probably balance out. Anyway when we get a full party going the wait won't probably take time at all.

Plus it seems like there is only a massive wait when no one is online in your country.

Just Cause

01-22-2009, 07:08 PM

Sounds good.

Only point I want to make is that there are more than enough players from the UK. Please don't plonk us in with Europe.

Slim09

01-22-2009, 07:12 PM

Sounds good.

Only point I want to make is that there are more than enough players from the UK. Please don't plonk us in with Europe.

yeah i hope regions don't span more than one country. there are more than enough americans that i don't need to play with people in canada or mexico.

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 07:15 PM

yeah i hope regions don't span more than one country. there are more than enough americans that i don't need to play with people in canada or mexico.

It's a country filter. If you have it on you only play with your country. If you have it off you get matched up with people outside your country.

wazups2x

01-22-2009, 07:20 PM

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 07:23 PM

As soon TU2 comes out all I want is TU3. It never ends!

I'm very content with TU2 to be honest. As far as I see it TU3 is just going to polish the netcode, make the game less laggy, address standbying, all that jazz. And then they're more or less done fixing things. I love that they work hard and appreciate their fans. What's wrong with that?

Mr Mostafles

01-22-2009, 07:28 PM

Yes, this is great to hear. They have done nothing but prove themselves with this TU#2, so I will anxiously await their next wonderful patchy patch :)

GRAE SKYZ

01-22-2009, 07:28 PM

This is some good news! But, c'mon EPIC, please get these major issues fixed also on TU3:

Host Migration

Bot Support for quitters

Seperate Playlists

Less LAG

Combustible Map Integration into Elimination

No Ghost Cam in Ranked

Player Matches

:)

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 07:30 PM

Quote from Rod snagged from another thread. His name isn't in the quote because I copy/pasted it. But you more or less get the message here.

I'm sorry. It wasn't addressed in this TU because it's not actually an easy problem to solve and will require time to come up with the right solution for everyone. In the mean time we wanted to get all the exploit fixes released as soon as we could.

We know it's an issue and we're continuing to look at it and work on it.

Thanks for your patience.

Rod.

That's confirmation from both Joe and Rod. Dang, Epic never ceases to amaze me.

gearskings24

01-22-2009, 07:31 PM

I've been spamming this around a bit to be honest, but everyone's been so concerned with bashing the game to notice, and I want to let everyone know now so we don't see anymore threads on it. Here's a little quote from Joe.

Seems pretty promising to me. There'll be less lag. :) region filters is not going to stop the lag for those of you putting all your hopes on it...every solid gears player knows about the east coast west coast host connection problem..i could be from pa,..while the host is from cali..and there would still be major bullet lag ..region fliters will be just like putting a bandage on it without getting to the root of the problem

gearskings24

01-22-2009, 07:33 PM

[QUOTE=gearskings24;25955019]region filters is not going to stop the lag for those of you putting all your hopes on it...every solid gears player knows about the east coast west coast host connection problem..i could be from pa,..while the host is from cali..and there would still be major bullet lag still..region fliters will be just like putting a bandage on it without getting to the root of the problem

THE G0DCHILD

01-22-2009, 07:34 PM

region filters will help i remember getting connected with people from france and they had host what a hell hole that was i shot and literally 4 secs later the shot came out. I dont really care about the join times since i live in U.S alot of americans sit on their asses playing video games.

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 07:34 PM

region filters is not going to stop the lag for those of you putting all your hopes on it...every solid gears player knows about the east coast west coast host connection problem..i could be from pa,..while the host is from cali..and there would me major bullet lag still..region fliters will be just like putting a bandage on it without getting to the root of the problem

It'll lower lag dramatically though. Anyways, read Rod's quote. They've got more than just a region filter in mind when it comes to lag. They're going to be doing a lot.

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 07:41 PM

Two piece is also being addressed. It's already been tweaked just now on the server. See this thread:

http://gearsforums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=654506

These guys work so hard. :D

gearskings24

01-22-2009, 07:43 PM

It'll lower lag dramatically though. Anyways, read Rod's quote. They've got more than just a region filter in mind when it comes to lag. They're going to be doing a lot.no it wont..it'll lower your chances so you wont have to play with people overseas..but thats about it..what else can they be adding?

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 07:44 PM

no it wont..it'll lower your chances so you wont have to play with people overseas..but thats about it..what else can they be adding?

Read full thread please. Rod also confirmed that they're doing some work on lag, which means it's more than a region filter. Also, two piecing is being addressed. They tweaked it just now on the server or something like that (lol), and they're doing more work on it in TU3.

gearskings24

01-22-2009, 07:54 PM

Read full thread please. Rod also confirmed that they're doing some work on lag, which means it's more than a region filter. Also, two piecing is being addressed. They tweaked it just now on the server or something like that (lol), and they're doing more work on it in TU3.where is it?..by the way theres nothing wrong with 2 piecing..its just that it dont register correctly in gears 2..nothing wrong with sneaky up behind someone doing that so you can freeze them up to ensure the kill

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 07:54 PM

Adjusted the thread to list all known fixes in an organized fashion. Enjoy. :)

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 07:55 PM

where is it?..by the way theres nothing wrong with 2 piecing..its just that it dont register correctly in gears 2..nothing wrong with sneaky up behind someone doing that so you can freeze them up to ensure the kill

All the quotes are on the first page now, in my original post. You'll see it there. ;)

Legolas

01-22-2009, 07:57 PM

All the quotes are on the first page now, in my original post. You'll see it there. ;)

Yeah, i like it but put a title on top of each quote ' Rod Fergusson on lag' ETC.
Will make it easier to read. I think i may have had more time to react to two pieces today, but im not sure.

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 08:01 PM

Yeah, i like it but put a title on top of each quote ' Rod Fergusson on lag' ETC.
Will make it easier to read. I think i may have had more time to react to two pieces today, but im not sure.

Thanks. And I haven't tested the 2 piecing yet so I can't say anything.

Looks like Simburgur has a thread going as well. He's known for keeping his threads active so I don't expect this one to go as far. Oh well. :o

GOWXjason13X

01-22-2009, 08:05 PM

Why would they fixed the 2-piece? Is that really an issue? It is so easy to avoid and counter. This game is going to play like hell soon. Slow ass shotgun slower movements from characters, no quick reflex action. ARE YOU KIDDING ME. You cant flip out of the way and get a quick shot off? Are you all babies that you cry at anything that kills you? I HATE COD WAW. It is a game of no true skill. Point and shoot and your enemy is dead. Gears you have to have quick reflexes to counter your enemy. Slowly their are making this a slow ass game thanks to all of you babies crying about how you got killed.

gearskings24

01-22-2009, 08:06 PM

havent we heard this before..:rolleyes: i still dont even know what the first update was for..the game was crappy still

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 08:09 PM

Stop posting in this thread guys. Go to Simburgur's instead. Thanks. :)

gearskings24

01-22-2009, 08:12 PM

porter oklahoma

01-22-2009, 08:16 PM

Da moneyz

01-22-2009, 08:17 PM

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 08:20 PM

sigh although its very promising that epic are continuing to fix the game, its anoying that we have to wait for more patches, the game shoudnt need patches in the first place hopefully epic you will realy hammer this tu3 and make sure that ull never ever have to realese update fixes

I honestly believe TU3 will be the final fix for this game. And then from there it's smooth sailing. I enjoy Gears 2 quite thoroughly, it's one of my favorite shooters. I also love Epic's dedication. I hope this TU fixes the remaining issues and I also hope that more and more game devs start to listen to their fans the way Epic does. How awesome would it be if all Game Developers updated their game once every month?

Slim09

01-22-2009, 08:20 PM

It's a country filter. If you have it on you only play with your country. If you have it off you get matched up with people outside your country.

not according to joeGraf. it doesn't restrict it, but it will prefer it.

A country filtering option will be in TU3. It doesn't restrict you to your country because otherwise certain areas of the world would be unlikely to play a match. It will always prefer your country when there is a match/party available.

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 08:22 PM

not according to joeGraf. it doesn't restrict it, but it will prefer it.

It says in the first sentence that it's optional though. lol, I'm confused. :confused:

ImThEaLpHaOmEgA

01-22-2009, 08:23 PM

I would guess for the 3rd TU sometime towards the end of February or beginning of March cause of the filters and changing to code behind weapons and such takes time.

GOWXjason13X

01-22-2009, 08:24 PM

tell me about it...im glad i still got my gears 1..if epic continue to erase how the first gears was played gears of war will no longer be gears of war..again i must ask... why fix what isnt broken

Dude add me to your friends list because soon we will have to go back to Gears 1 for a hear pumping experience. GT "jason24cf"

Slim09

01-22-2009, 08:24 PM

It says in the first sentence that it's optional though. lol, I'm confused. :confused:

yeah, i'm not sure. i'm hoping that it is something that can be turned on or off, and that if it is on, that you do only play with people in your country. and i hope it knows that people can just change their location to say any country in the dashboard settings.

Shaggy817

01-22-2009, 08:25 PM

man this is sweet. i'm already pretty stoked on this update. next one should be amazing.

one thing i do disagree with is the inability to roadie up and blast. anyone want to start a petition to get this back?

honestly i think all the weapons will be pretty balanced with the reduced lag, and CSHD tweaks. shotty isn't what it used to be which isn't a bad thing. now all you have to do is pre-active and you got yourself one hell of a cannon. but since we can't run up and gun, there's prolly gonna be a whole lotta shotty dancing.

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 08:27 PM

I would guess for the 3rd TU sometime towards the end of February or beginning of March cause of the filters and changing to code behind weapons and such takes time.

I'll be as hopeful as possible and guess somewhere in the middle of February. Because in the "Brief info about the TU" thread (it's not around anymore) it's mentioned that they were working on TU3 while they were working on TU2, unless I misread it. So it might come sooner than we think.

Fancysauce

01-22-2009, 08:27 PM

What about smoke grenades?

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 08:28 PM

yeah, i'm not sure. i'm hoping that it is something that can be turned on or off, and that if it is on, that you do only play with people in your country. and i hope it knows that people can just change their location to say any country in the dashboard settings.

They don't use Dashboard settings. They use your IP Address. I'm not sure if you know what it is but it's basically an internet address with info about you, including your exact location. So don't worry about that.

And yeah I hope it's optional. :)

KanGaHru

01-22-2009, 08:29 PM

Slim09

01-22-2009, 08:30 PM

They don't use Dashboard settings. They use your IP Address. I'm not sure if you know what it is but it's basically an internet address with info about you, including your exact location. So don't worry about that.

And yeah I hope it's optional. :)

yeah, i was hoping that it did use IP addresses.

aaspect

01-22-2009, 08:33 PM

Awesome, Epic really got their **** together now, allowing "on the fly" tweaking is a great move, and letting us know is a step in the right direction.

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 08:34 PM

yeah, i was hoping that it did use IP addresses.

It's the only logical thing to do. Because one the dashboard doesn't list all countries (although I'm sure all the countries not on the list don't have access to Live) and two if people changed their location on the dashboard they'd be paired up with people they shouldn't be paired with, causing lag.

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 08:36 PM

Awesome, Epic really got their **** together now, allowing "on the fly" tweaking is a great move, and letting us know is a step in the right direction.

Agreed. Probably the smartest move they've made. :D

Slim09

01-22-2009, 08:37 PM

It's the only logical thing to do. Because one the dashboard doesn't list all countries (although I'm sure all the countries not on the list don't have access to Live) and two if people changed their location on the dashboard they'd be paired up with people they shouldn't be paired with, causing lag.

yeah that's exactly why i hope it uses ip's

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 08:46 PM

Bumping for anyone that cares. :)

XDevil_666

01-22-2009, 08:47 PM

I've been spamming this around a bit to be honest, but everyone's been so concerned with bashing the game to notice, and I want to let everyone know now so we don't see anymore threads on it. Here's some news from the Epic staff on upcoming fixes.

Seems pretty promising to me. There'll be less lag. :)

Here's a quote from Rod about lag also.

Lastly, two piecing is being addressed in TU3. They already made small changes to it on the server, literally just now, and they're doing more work on it in TU3. Quotes:

There you all go. :)

Good post - hope they give us some freedom back in the next update!

Sgt.Milkajug

01-22-2009, 08:48 PM

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 08:50 PM

Well I hope this thread is going to halt most of the useless threads going on in the forums.I kind of get tired lookin at the list and seeing 2piece this and roadie run that... but one can only hope...

The exact reason why I'm trying to keep this thread alive. If it goes good enough maybe even get it stickied. I'm getting tired of the repetitive threads myself.

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 08:57 PM

Bumped for the last time today most likely. Unless more info is released. :)

monkeyinmyhead

01-22-2009, 09:01 PM

Excellent work, and the two piece bit is true, i tried using it a couple of times in a KOH match cos I was in a tight spot and definately not as effective. Excellent patch, well pleased.

Mark Rein

01-22-2009, 09:08 PM

Let's sticky this for a bit. But if it turns into a flamewar it's going in the bin :)

Also changed the title a bit.

Simburgur

01-22-2009, 09:11 PM

Let's sticky this for a bit.

Good, at least this should stop some repeat posts.

Ortana, add the links from the bottom of my thread (http://gearsforums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=654522), that should help.

EDIT: It seems Ortana is offline, Mark; can you edit them in?

USRangerJohn

01-22-2009, 09:12 PM

Its stickied...and its true. Now be quiet because EPIC is fixing the problems as we speak. It is as I said, EPIC fixed the easy to fix problems...and is now fixing the harder to fix problems, like a normal person would do. So just relax and enjoy the fixes for now.

jack87

01-22-2009, 09:15 PM

I hope the Next Title Update doesn't take as long as the last one. The last one almost took 3 month to get released.

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 09:17 PM

Let's sticky this for a bit. But if it turns into a flamewar it's going in the bin :)

Also changed the title a bit.

Thanks for the sticky there sir. I'll make sure not to turn this into a flamewar. :)

Tagster(626)

01-22-2009, 09:17 PM

Can't wait!!! I hope Mark can respond soon to tell us when the next update might make a appearance.

Simburgur

01-22-2009, 09:18 PM

Thanks for the sticky there sir. I'll make sure not to turn this into a flamewar. :)

This is the internet, how do you intend do that? :p

EDIT: And go read my post up there somewhere ^^^.

USRangerJohn

01-22-2009, 09:19 PM

I hope the Next Title Update doesn't take as long as the last one. The last one almost took 3 month to get released.

EPIC was on vacation during the holiday. Only a few people were working on it inbetween Thanksgiving and New Years. Its remarkable seeing how they managed to get it out two weeks after announcing it is coming officially. Also they probably only realsed the title Update #2 with things they managed to fix, while they were still working on other things. Hell we could see Title Update #3 out by Valentines Day!

OverKill

01-22-2009, 09:19 PM

nice job OrtanaIV

probably won't stop the spam, but hopefully it does

i hope they address the cover issues, grenades, melee stuns, and host migration in TU3 as well

LocustQueen

01-22-2009, 09:20 PM

The weapons need to get balanced, like the chainsaw.

Bri Bear

01-22-2009, 09:21 PM

USRangerJohn

01-22-2009, 09:22 PM

Just asking this, but Mark, are there going to be more achievements with the TU3?

I know you added the 175 point worth on the TU2, but it just feels so incomplete, even only 75 more points to make it back to 1250 possible would be nice, it looks so much cleaner than 1175.

My gut tells me, no. Thankfully EPIC did not waste 75 achievement points, so we can expect another map pack some day! YAY EPIC!

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 09:22 PM

This is the internet, how do you intend do that? :p

EDIT: And go read my post up there somewhere ^^^.

Yeah I added the links that seemed important. I took the one about suggesting ideas for the update out because you can do it here. All the others are here. ;)

And my thread got stickied! I'll do whatever it takes to stop a flamewar. :D

Bri Bear

01-22-2009, 09:24 PM

And my thread got stickied! I'll do whatever it takes to stop a flamewar. :D

Hey, I can help you with that, probably Sim can help too. We are pretty good at stopping trolling and flamewars:D

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 09:24 PM

nice job OrtanaIV

probably won't stop the spam, but hopefully it does

i hope they address the cover issues, grenades, melee stuns, and host migration in TU3 as well

I'd like to see host migration as well. The only time I think a match should abruptly end is if someone standbys and you get an error screen.

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 09:26 PM

Hey, I can help you with that, probably Sim can help too. We are pretty good at stopping trolling and flamewars:D

I'd appreciate that. I won't be around constantly to stop flame wars and post new info, so you guys would be good help. :)

Simburgur

01-22-2009, 09:28 PM

I'd appreciate that. I won't be around constantly to stop flame wars and post new info, so you guys would be good help. :)

I'm always going to be here posting new info, I dunno why he didn't sticky mine, but meh :p

Oh and there's another quote in mine from Mark, about unranked play, you might want to add it here.

Tagster(626)

01-22-2009, 09:31 PM

Epic needs to balance the Subway map COG seems to get Torque every DAMN ROUND!!!! raggggeee. Not fair for Locust side.

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 09:32 PM

I'm always going to be here posting new info, I dunno why he didn't sticky mine, but meh :p

Oh and there's another quote in mine from Mark, about unranked play, you might want to add it here.

Just added it. Thanks for the heads up. ;)

rnm1789

01-22-2009, 09:34 PM

can't wait, havent gotten a chance to update as yet, good job though epic.

malfcn

01-22-2009, 09:37 PM

Fix the weapon preference settings.

The Outsider

01-22-2009, 09:39 PM

It's a little better, but I don't really have all of the nitpicky issues some have. All I want is the ability to play with random strangers (searchable private matches) for hours on end instead of ranked matches where that is all people are concerned with. Thousands of responses have stated this, yet nothing in 2 months to address it. Even to say it cannot happen, simply ignored and brushed aside. I have decided that this is not a possibility EPIC is looking into so it looks like I will have to bite the bullet and head back to Gears 1.

I have truly lost faith that this is about the fans.

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 09:40 PM

Simburgur

01-22-2009, 09:42 PM

Ortana, I'll PM you with the code from my thread so you can fix the quote links.

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 09:44 PM

Ortana, I'll PM you with the code from my thread so you can fix the quote links.

Thanks, however the quote from Rod will still lead to the wrong thread, so I'll leave the warning up. Unless you have the code for that quote as well. :)

Simburgur

01-22-2009, 09:49 PM

Thanks, however the quote from Rod will still lead to the wrong thread, so I'll leave the warning up. Unless you have the code for that quote as well. :)

I'll go get that and PM it to you aswell (But you still don't need that quote in my opinion ;)).

Bri Bear

01-22-2009, 09:49 PM

http://gearsforums.epicgames.com/showpost.php?p=25944623&postcount=3

Rods Post

Chrono7rigger

01-22-2009, 09:50 PM

how about they fix that homo ass no shooting after you roadie run... that was the dumbest idea they have ever came up with what was the point of it?? when ever i run into battle i have to wait two effin seconds to shot and by the time a can shoot im already dead???? pretty dumb how u can run up and 2 piece some1 but u cant run up and shoot them?? i have gotten use to doing this in the pastyears of playing gow.. now that it is gone i found the game doesnt feel right and i have to play diffrently from my normal playing style which i enjoyed.. IMO very very dumb idea and i hope EPIc address it in the next TU :)

Simburgur

01-22-2009, 09:51 PM

I'm sorry. It wasn't addressed in this TU because it's not actually an easy problem to solve and will require time to come up with the right solution for everyone. In the mean time we wanted to get all the exploit fixes released as soon as we could.

We know it's an issue and we're continuing to look at it and work on it.

Thanks for your patience.

Rod.

I was to lazy to PM you again, quick reply is less effort :p

Mark Rein

01-22-2009, 09:52 PM

Can't wait!!! I hope Mark can respond soon to tell us when the next update might make a appearance.We really do not know. But the good news is that as of TU2 we can tweak a lot more parameters within the game without a new title update (more of that coming in TU3). In addition it is time for us to start trying a few things with the playlists.

Bri Bear

01-22-2009, 09:54 PM

Simburgur

01-22-2009, 09:54 PM

USRangerJohn

01-22-2009, 09:55 PM

We really do not know. But the good news is that as of TU2 we can tweak a lot more parameters within the game without a new title update (more of that coming in TU3). In addition it is time for us to start trying a few things with the playlists.

YES!!!! FINALLY!!! WE HAVE BEEN WAITING SO LONG!!!

*trumpets blare*

Hey Mark, can you get Cliff to come on and post regarding the Updates, Im sure some of his fans would love for him to say hi.

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 09:57 PM

I was to lazy to PM you again, quick reply is less effort :p

Thanks. Just added it. Gonna add Rein's quote on playlists now. Gosh this is a ton of work. :D

Chrono7rigger

01-22-2009, 09:59 PM

Hey mark, anything on the Roadie run shoot delay?? are you guys thinking of keeping it in the game or removing it?

Simburgur

01-22-2009, 10:00 PM

Thanks. Just added it. Gonna add Rein's quote on playlists now. Gosh this is a ton of work. :D
Just use the WYSIWYG editor, it is makes everything better, it's like the Dizzy of text editors.

But if that's still to much work then tell him to sticky mine instead ;)

Mark Rein

01-22-2009, 10:00 PM

YES!!!! FINALLY!!! WE HAVE BEEN WAITING SO LONG!!!

*trumpets blare*

Hey Mark, can you get Cliff to come on and post regarding the Updates, Im sure some of his fans would love for him to say hi.I summon thee CliffyB!

aPAULcalypse

01-22-2009, 10:01 PM

The only problem I have with Gears 2 is the smoke and frag grenade radius.

That's it.

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 10:02 PM

Just use the WYSIWYG editor, it is makes everything better, it's like the Dizzy of text editors.

But if that's still to much work then tell him to sticky mine instead ;)

lol @ The Dizzy of Text Editors. Yeah it's a lot easier to use, as well as more efficient. I think I can handle the thread right now, but I'll definitely require your assistance. ;)

xMURPHYS LAW

01-22-2009, 10:02 PM

This is what I believe should be in the TU3

When I shoot someone in the head with the sniper I notice a lot of the times it won't register.

I also notice that when I am in cover and aim to use the no scope there is a slight delay. There is no need for a delay.

Same with zooming in with the sniper, there's a delay. Like I said before there is no need for a delay.

Though in the TU2 Epic is on the right track with the sniper.

Simburgur

01-22-2009, 10:04 PM

^^ Big Sig Much? ^^

I summon thee CliffyB!

Quick! Everyne kidnap him and throw him at the pendulum thread! :p

lol @ The Dizzy of Text Editors. Yeah it's a lot easier to use, as well as more efficient. I think I can handle the thread right now, but I'll definitely require your assistance. ;)

Ask him to give me edit powers on your post.

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 10:07 PM

Ask him to give me edit powers on your post.

Is that possible? Hey Mark could you allow Sim to edit my posts from time to time? :)

Simburgur

01-22-2009, 10:07 PM

Is that possible? Hey Mark could you allow Sim to edit my posts from time to time? :)

I think so. You can do like anything with this forum software.

And can you change my title to 'Dizzy Incarnate'? :p

USRangerJohn

01-22-2009, 10:08 PM

I summon thee CliffyB!

OMG, where is he! We must see him!

Izemann

01-22-2009, 10:09 PM

OMG Playlist tweaks next!!! I can't wait, thanks for letting us know Mark your awesome!!

Simburgur

01-22-2009, 10:09 PM

OMG, where is he! We must kidnap him!

Fixed it for you :p

USRangerJohn

01-22-2009, 10:10 PM

Mark is our Hero!!!

Lets start Chanting his name.

MARK MARK MARK MARK MARK MARK!!!!!!

Bri Bear

01-22-2009, 10:11 PM

Hey Ortana, you should make a Sig thing for this information as a quick link people can use(like sim's pedulum DLC sig link), I made one in my sig ;)

Vypes

01-22-2009, 10:13 PM

Seems quite promising, lets hope EPIC sort the lag :)
Kudos for their efforts in sorting glitchers :)

Tagster(626)

01-22-2009, 10:13 PM

We really do not know. But the good news is that as of TU2 we can tweak a lot more parameters within the game without a new title update (more of that coming in TU3). In addition it is time for us to start trying a few things with the playlists.

Thanks Mark we'll be really looking forward to it. As you can see a lot of the complaining has been minimize due to the TU2 and hopefully with this upcoming TU we'll have the game we've been waiting for since the launch. Keep us Updated Thanks. :)

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 10:13 PM

Hey Ortana, you should make a Sig thing for this information as a quick link people can use(like sim's pedulum DLC sig link), I made one in my sig ;)

Send me the code for that and I'll gladly use it, as well as add it to the first post for others to put in their sig. :)

Simburgur

01-22-2009, 10:16 PM

Gah ortana you noob :p

Copy and paste this into the OP, it will remove the other set of noparse tags.
Click Here for Official TU3 Info! (http://gearsforums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=654492)

It = Click Here for Official TU3 Info! (http://gearsforums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=654492)

EDIT: Added extra noparse tags so it doesn't break for you.

KanGaHru

01-22-2009, 10:16 PM

PLEASE add option to turn off smokes or smoke stun in PRIVATE matches please......also the ability to roll over and over to make your character move faster should be removed.

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 10:23 PM

Bri Bear

01-22-2009, 10:24 PM

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 10:29 PM

WOW Sim, do you always have to be on the ball? I like the way I phrased the title more though.

EDIT: and thank you Ortana for saying you will add mine code too. I just cant beat Sim with the code stuff, he does it tooo quick

lol he's good with his coding I have to admit. And yeah I just added your code, just changed it slightly so the text showed up in the center of the screen and was bold.

_helix

01-22-2009, 10:29 PM

i hope this comes out soon, but till then ima play gow1

Simburgur

01-22-2009, 10:29 PM

WOW Sim, do you always have to be on the ball? I like the way I phrased the title more though.

EDIT: and thank you Ortana for saying you will add mine code too. I just cant beat Sim with the code stuff, he does it tooo quick

Yeah, I'm a ninja. And a pirate. I'm like, more of a ninja-pirate actually, that's how awesome I am. But I'm not as awesome as Dizzy.

Ortana, you need to add the time/date to the top, and remove the bit at the bottom that says 'keep this on the front page' lol.

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 10:32 PM

Fixed it Sim. ;)

Simburgur

01-22-2009, 10:34 PM

Fixed it Sim. ;)

You are learning well, my young padawan (Who is probably older than me)(And yeah I'm a Jedi-Pirate-Ninja now). But you still need to add GMT-5 in brackets for us UK folk :p.

Bri Bear

01-22-2009, 10:36 PM

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 10:37 PM

You are learning well, my young padawan (Who is probably older than me)(And yeah I'm a Jedi-Pirate-Ninja now). But you still need to add GMT-5 in brackets for us UK folk :p.

Once again fixed. And yeah, I'm more of your old padawan than your young one. :D

NeMeSiS446

01-22-2009, 10:38 PM

excellent thread, I wonder will we get to discuss how we would like some weapons balanced? boomshot ammo, mortar ammo, etc.

And kudos sim for making a well organized sticky:p

now you just need you Pendulum wars thread stickied and we will be ready to go!:)

Martin Trick

01-22-2009, 10:38 PM

great stuff and yeah about the playlist changes it could make this game so much better and less stressful if they were organised individually becuase i am trying to go for the new annex achievement where you need to win on each of the dlc maps but the problem is i have seen many people just quit because they dont get annex now and its not just annex its every gametype

Simburgur

01-22-2009, 10:39 PM

I know this is going to make me seem dumb, but was Mark actually going to try and get Cliffy B on? or was he just joking? cause that would actually be very cool if Cliffy got on and talked about it, and I think that would show alot of people that EPIC is listening, even Cliffy B and that he is not only driving around in his sick car(all the time).

EDIT: and why should he add in stuff for the UK folks, what did you ever do for us? lol...jk

Well, Mark's not really one to joke that much, I thought he was being serious.

And most of you over there in the states are descended from us, so that's what we did for you, we MADE you, and therefore we MADE GEARS OF WAR!? ;)

Logic ftl.

Izemann

01-22-2009, 10:40 PM

Wow the shield glitch has been found. look on youtube some nerd is a real glitcher.

Simburgur

01-22-2009, 10:42 PM

Wow the shield glitch has been found. look on youtube some nerd is a real glitcher.

PM me a link and I'll forward it to the appropriate people (Or you could PM it directly to one of them), but DO NOT publicly post a link to the video.

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 10:43 PM

Simburgur

01-22-2009, 10:44 PM

Once again fixed. And yeah, I'm more of your old padawan than your young one. :D

How old are you mr. padawan? :p

And PM Mark and see if it's possible to give me edit permissions on your post (And to change my title to 'Dizzy Incarnate' ;)), because I don't think he saw that post.

I am intrested to see if it is possible because there is one or two people who I need to give permission to edit my thread.

USRangerJohn

01-22-2009, 10:45 PM

Well, Mark's not really one to joke that much, I thought he was being serious.

And most of you over there in the states are descended from us, so that's what we did for you, we MADE you, and therefore we MADE GEARS OF WAR!? ;)

Logic ftl.

I dont expect him to summon Cliff now (its 9PM eastern and hes probably at home). But i9t would be sweet if Cliff came on like tomorrow and talked (although Im sure they will make sure to protect him from the aholes who will no doubt attempt to assasinate him on the forums...if you know what I mean). Still it would be nice...and at least Mark commented on it (who knows maybe EPIC finally realized that posting is good even if you have nothing really to post about and can only say...well we are working on it).

USRangerJohn

01-22-2009, 10:46 PM

How do you give persmisson to edit your posts?

aaspect

01-22-2009, 10:46 PM

I would gladly play a MLG list as it suits my style better, even if I don't care about MLG events.

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 10:46 PM

How old are you mr. padawan? :p

And PM Mark and see if it's possible to give me edit permissions on your post (And to change my title to 'Dizzy Incarnate' ;)), because I don't think he saw that post.

I am intrested to see if it is possible because there is one or two people who I need to give permission to edit my thread.

22 young master. ;)

And I'd rather wait for Mark to post in the thread, then pop the question. Just seems awkward pming him to ask for something like that.

Bri Bear

01-22-2009, 10:47 PM

I wonder will we get to discuss how we would like some weapons balanced? boomshot ammo, mortar ammo, etc.

You guys wanna go ahead and discuss this right now? I got some time so I can start us off...

I personally think that the ammo is not that horrible by itself, but to go ahead and appease people, how bout make this...

Boomshot: 2 shots (originally 3)
Mortars: 5 shots (originally 6)
Sniper: Same ammo, but fix the headshot hit box
Torque: 4 shots (originally 6, might be wrong on this one)

also I think that the guns should spawn a little less frequent. It seems as though they are spawning quickly. What do you guys think?

OrtanaIV

01-22-2009, 10:50 PM

You guys wanna go ahead and discuss this right now? I got some time so I can start us off...

I personally think that the ammo is not that horrible by itself, but to go ahead and appease people, how bout make this...

Boomshot: 2 shots (originally 3)
Mortars: 5 shots (originally 6)
Sniper: Same ammo, but fix the headshot hit box
Torque: 4 shots (originally 6, might be wrong on this one)

also I think that the guns should spawn a little less frequent. It seems as though they are spawning quickly. What do you guys think?

Agree with everything but torque. Keep it at 6 shots. And I think the weapons spawn fine to be honest. :)

Now I'll be off for a bit. Be back in say 20 minutes or so.

quezo246

01-22-2009, 10:51 PM

Im sorry but this second update is garbage what the hell where you guys thinking taking out the style of playing with the shotgun , you cant superman people anymore and also you made the player feel to rough and slow put it back how it was you cant even run up to a person and shoot them you guys gotta fix this.

Sunabozu

01-22-2009, 10:58 PM

I'd actually be happiest if they made it so you couldn't do anything immediately after roadie running.

Simburgur

01-22-2009, 10:58 PM

22 young master. ;)

And I'd rather wait for Mark to post in the thread, then pop the question. Just seems awkward pming him to ask for something like that.

Lol, oldie. :p

And I just remembered you can't actually PM Mark, so PM Flak or someone instead, she won't bite ;).

You guys wanna go ahead and discuss this right now? I got some time so I can start us off...

I personally think that the ammo is not that horrible by itself, but to go ahead and appease people, how bout make this...

Boomshot: 2 shots (originally 3)
Mortars: 5 shots (originally 6)
Sniper: Same ammo, but fix the headshot hit box
Torque: 4 shots (originally 6, might be wrong on this one)

also I think that the guns should spawn a little less frequent. It seems as though they are spawning quickly. What do you guys think?

Sniper seems to be alot better post patch, have you tried it?

I don't see why people have a problem with the mortar, I mean, you can just look up for a second and see where it is going to land.

The boom & torque need a bit more tweaking that just ammo count though.

Boom, as you said, needs it's ammo reduced to 2, but the projectile should also travel a little slower to give people a bit more time to evade in close-quaters.

Torque needs it's rev time increased and splash damage reduced, the ammo count is fine.

Bri Bear

01-22-2009, 11:00 PM

So lol, that new shield glitch technique. I just looked for a little and found how they say you are supposed to do the new one. And it is a problem, but no one will be seeing it around for a long time. Lets just say it involves way to many steps to be effective in online play. I doubt most people could even do it if they tried their hardest

Simburgur

01-22-2009, 11:02 PM

Bri Bear

01-22-2009, 11:03 PM

Sniper seems to be alot better post patch, have you tried it?

I don't see why people have a problem with the mortar, I mean, you can just look up for a second and see where it is going to land.

The boom & torque need a bit more tweaking that just ammo count though.

Boom, as you said, needs it's ammo reduced to 2, but the projectile should also travel a little slower to give people a bit more time to evade in close-quaters.

Torque needs it's rev time increased and splash damage reduced, the ammo count is fine.

Have not tried the sniper. It works well?

Mortar you are right, along with torque, and boom. I was just looking at it more so if they didn't change how the weapon works at all, or reacts when fired.

TiToOpM125

01-22-2009, 11:43 PM

it takes me around 5 seconds to find 4 people for the combustible map playlist

BBQ:o

01-23-2009, 12:06 AM

For instance, a change went in today to reduce the effectiveness of the "2-piece"

Not aware of this.. I got two-pieced every round, and I have yet to see it become less effective..

Someone care to explain?

Melee delay after roadie run and roll please.

spartangear034

01-23-2009, 12:10 AM

Bri Bear

01-23-2009, 12:12 AM

Not aware of this.. I got two-pieced every round, and I have yet to see it become less effective..

Someone care to explain?

Melee delay after roadie run and roll please.

I did not really see a change in two-piece today either, but as they said, they are able to actively change the weapon balance problems, so hopefully within the next few days they will be able to find a nice balance for all the weapons

commandrew

01-23-2009, 12:13 AM

The solution is to speed the player up.
Feel like the grenades are too powerfull and you can never roadie away?
Feel like you can't ever possible roll away from a boom?
Feel like the torque is over powered?
Cant stand the 'huge' blast radius of the smokes?
Does it seem like shotgun battles are all about who has the better connection?

Speed up the player movement. Specificly the sliding into cover.

and boost stopping power to hb and lancer to balance.

m4ntxs

01-23-2009, 12:42 AM

the solution would be to put a sniper scope on the gnasher so you can blast people to pieces from across the map.. and also put a chainsaw on the shotgun as well.. and a lil switch on the shotgun so that it self detonates and explodes like a grenade when your in the down n out position.

iknowyoulovemetoo

01-23-2009, 12:43 AM

i just wanna say that im really happy with the effort put forth by the devs to get all this information out so quickly after the TU. it feels good to have promises kept.

my only concern with the patch is that i seem to be in wayyy more laggy games then before, but thats generally hit or miss anyway so i dont blame the update.

one question though. when they talk about a small change to the 2peice uploaded onto their servers, do they mean inhouse servers for playtesting? or do they upload them to be played over xbox live. just want some clarity wasnt sure what that meant.

EmbraceTheOne

01-23-2009, 12:45 AM

any info on the roll/run delay with shooting? are they going to remove it because people hate it..?

m4ntxs

01-23-2009, 12:51 AM

any info on the roll/run shoot right away? are they going to remove it because people hate it..?

they already got rid of it

EmbraceTheOne

01-23-2009, 12:53 AM

they already got rid of it

I mean the delay...sorry

Sergeant Flappy

01-23-2009, 12:56 AM

i wouldnt think so, if anything i reckon theyll add a melee delay too, i think the whole point of it was to stop people "charging" like rambo, which is unfortunate..cos i have a sergeant flappy rambo song i used to sing.. :(

malfcn

01-23-2009, 01:01 AM

I don't know what it is about tonight, but everything I do is not working. I stand BEHIND people, and their shotgun kills me. What is that?

Snake79

01-23-2009, 01:19 AM

If they plan on seeing this game become tactical then follow the road of Rainbow Vegas 6. Now that game uses cover and team tactics properly.

If Epic want distant fire fights then give the assault rifles the power to kill from far as in the Rainbow games. Lancer is an assault rifle and shots to the head or body should mean a kill just as they do in Rainbow 6. But then that would take away the appeal of Gears. Its not meant to be a real life shooter no matter what they do to patch it up.

The weak power of the long distance weapons forces the player to get in close, close combat is about the shotgun, melee or chainsaw. However it looks as though the favoured choice by Epic is the chainsaw because the chainsaw gets a new move (chainsaw duels) and the shotgun and melee continually get downgraded.

Epic, this game is not Vegas..get over it and let Gears be GEARS!!

SiegeX

01-23-2009, 02:00 AM

The thing that I am most excited about post TU2 is not what was fixed but what seems to be a 180* in Epic's community support, even when the answer is "we are looking at solutions but cannot provide specific answers at this point." It really is a win/win for both sides, the fans are no longer in the dark and the forums become more civil. So Kudos to you Epic for lifting the veil of secrecy.

Might I make a suggestion now that this thread is sticky'd and getting Epic's attention: It would be nice if you had sections for those popular questions still left unanswered/not mentioned. Host migration would definitely be on the top of that short list. It's my hope that having these in one central place will elicit some official discussion on these issues.

I was thinking about something alone the lines of:

On the issue of Host Migration

NO OFFICIAL ANSWER

K4NSAS

01-23-2009, 02:07 AM

Originally Posted by Mark Rein : "We really do not know. But the good news is that as of TU2 we can tweak a lot more parameters within the game without a new title update (more of that coming in TU3). In addition it is time for us to start trying a few things with the playlists."

OMG I will sing praises to Epic the day I can just pick warzone in the public playlists!!!
PLEASE PLEASE I beg you o Epic!

SN1PER J0E

01-23-2009, 02:25 AM

Mark, if you're listening, you have to fix the smokes and chainsaw, oh, and the lag...the list never ends...

xBuTcHeRx

01-23-2009, 02:30 AM

FINALLY! A region FILTER!

SN1PER J0E

01-23-2009, 02:31 AM

Mark, btw, keep responding to us, its so good to see your name and then the icon! :)

fiercemold

01-23-2009, 02:58 AM

no fix to standby = (

CoatedTrout

01-23-2009, 03:14 AM

They're talking about the next patch already!?!?

They're, like, the best developers ever!

!ntraxz

01-23-2009, 04:22 AM

Its too late now. Atleast for me it is. :D

Simburgur

01-23-2009, 04:30 AM

Well after an evening of helping Ortana setting up his thread, Mark decided to issue me (And BriBear) with an infraction for apparently abusing my signature/avatar. He is starting to piss me off now.

BlitzSnake

01-23-2009, 04:32 AM

Well after an evening of helping Ortana setting up his thread, Mark decided to issue me (And BriBear) with an infraction for apparently abusing my signature/avatar. He is starting to piss me off now.

I don't see any problems with your sig. The size of the font ain't that big either.

Simburgur

01-23-2009, 04:35 AM

I don't see any problems with your sig. The size of the font ain't that big either.

I know.

I now have 7 infraction points, 3 lots of 2 from Mark for my signature for no good reason, 1 for 'bad behavior' (I 'insulted' a troll :p). If I get 3 more points I will get banned. Now tell me, what do I do that warrants being banned? All I do is help people (And post lulz).

BlitzSnake

01-23-2009, 04:36 AM

All I do is help people (And post lulz).

Agreed. :P

BENWAHLBAWLS

01-23-2009, 04:37 AM

Put the gow movie out starring chuck norris already so i can get oover this headache

RonanN1

01-23-2009, 04:37 AM

Can't wait...

Simburgur

01-23-2009, 04:39 AM

Agreed. :P

Mark Doesn't. He hates me.

:(

EDIT: I can't PM him here so I'm just going to Email him. Silly forums.

f00tyfreak

01-23-2009, 04:46 AM

Would you like to wait 3 minutes to get into a lag less match, or 1 minute and barely able to play?

definitely a lag less match

f00tyfreak

01-23-2009, 04:47 AM

and really do hope thay fix that damn lag

which they said they would do and i hope that TU3 comes out soon

emc

01-23-2009, 05:39 AM

I have a small idea or suggestion for player/private matches. Can we re-introduce the ability to set map cycles? I'm honestly just really tired of seeing the Load screen about a million times. I see it when I go to the Multiplayer Lobby, I see it when the game goes to map selection, and I see it before joining a game, not to mention there is a 20 second timer before the game actually begins.

Arjen

01-23-2009, 05:40 AM

Wow, great news about the region filter.

EdwinH4L

01-23-2009, 06:34 AM

Hope Epic will give us some more inf on the forums, as they said.

Looking forward to the next TU

dzs Awez0me

01-23-2009, 07:03 AM

i think many people are sick of waiting and move on to the next game if it takes "longer"

To the Region Filter .. the idea to preffer is good but add an additional option for a EU-US and maybe ASIA Filter

FindingCheaters

01-23-2009, 07:14 AM

How about fixing bridge hosting and lag switch. I loved the update until some forth ranks beat out my team of rank 3 and one rank four by lag switching 3 rounds to win. We were up 4 to 2 when he start lag switching to win.

I was in that same game. My friends and I stayed in to find out who it was. Figured out who it was pushing the switch because He was the only person left alive when he did it. Now can someone tell me who to PM this cheaters gamer tag so the account gets banned. (It says in his bio that he has two accounts so he can glitch on one and have no repercussions on his madden game).

Simburgur

01-23-2009, 07:29 AM

I was in that same game. My friends and I stayed in to find out who it was. Figured out who it was pushing the switch because He was the only person left alive when he did it. Now can someone tell me who to PM this cheaters gamer tag so the account gets banned. (It says in his bio that he has two accounts so he can glitch on one and have no repercussions on his madden game).

PM it to Flak (http://gearsforums.epicgames.com/member.php?u=60), or email Mark (mark.rein@epicgames.com) with it.

OrtanaIV

01-23-2009, 07:44 AM

Just finished getting ready for work. Any new info I should have up before it's time for me to leave?

Cody003

01-23-2009, 08:11 AM

I dont think so but maybe you could tell me what this sci-fi horror thing cliff was talking about on x-play. And congrats on this post and sticky hopefully this will clear the boards some.

K4NSAS

01-23-2009, 08:19 AM

cant wait!
PLEASE consider seperate playlists for warzone and execution and try to do something about the standby issues.

thanks!

sammanu13

01-23-2009, 08:21 AM

Yes make chainsaw stun, lower stun effect of grenade and Sperate all playlists to avoid quitters

Get The Gun Jim

01-23-2009, 08:22 AM

Whoa. Awesome thread.

GaMeTiMe

01-23-2009, 08:35 AM

Player matches is the only thing i want FFS and that is not confirmed :(

Omega360x

01-23-2009, 08:38 AM

WoW?? I can't believe they are removing the 2-piece? This really blows.

Cry Baby's 1 Adapter's 0

Mackam

01-23-2009, 08:40 AM

Brilliant of them to come out and say what is proposed and great to see region filters, two piecing fixed and work on the lag. Everybody knows lag is not easy to fix or they would have done it by now (unless they like people moaning!!). Good work EPIC your time is much appreciated and thanks for keeping us updated. I was just learning how to two piece as well LOL!

Robbie

01-23-2009, 08:44 AM

To be honest i find two-piecing a royal pain in the ass. Maybe i just need to master it, but my biggest worry is that if they 'fix' the two-piece everyone will just turn back to chainsawing. Again.

In my opinion that is easily the WORST part of Gears of War 2. When someone is running at me with a chainsaw i want to be able to stop them easily, just like Gears 1. It should be used as a surprise attack, but now i literally see whole teams running in a line chainsawing towards me and one other team mate. It's ridiculous, they are just unstoppable. Fix that EPIC, and you've got yourself one happy gamer- for life.

MAD x Gold Jok3

01-23-2009, 09:09 AM

please EPIC, read this thread
http://gearsforums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=654479

Mackam

01-23-2009, 09:22 AM

When a standby occurs the host dies, nice and simple.

EmbraceTheOne

01-23-2009, 09:30 AM

When a standby occurs the host dies, nice and simple.

rofl, thanks for the laugh!

This isnt very easy..

EmbraceTheOne

01-23-2009, 09:31 AM

WoW?? I can't believe they are removing the 2-piece? This really blows.

Cry Baby's 1 Adapter's 0

the word "adapt" is starting to really get me mad..=p

smasher2000

01-23-2009, 09:44 AM

so... this fix to 2 pieceing? has anyone noticed any difference today?

Jhova808

01-23-2009, 09:49 AM

hells yeah on the removing of the two-piece

im sure theyll somehow nerf teh shotgun even more though in doing so.

Mark Rein

01-23-2009, 09:49 AM

no fix to standby = (We're working on ideas to put folks who standby in their proper place. But we can't elaborate on them at this point in time.

thisisepic

01-23-2009, 09:50 AM

We're working on ideas to put folks who standby in their proper place. But we can't elaborate on them at this point in time.

Good to hear, keep up the good work on knocking out these problems.

The Dawseman

01-23-2009, 09:51 AM

We're working on ideas to put folks who standby in their proper place. But we can't elaborate on them at this point in time.

Thats another piece of good news. I hate standbyers.

javs52

01-23-2009, 09:59 AM

read my signature....well i guess they covered all but the smoke grenades need to be removed or changed

lern1079

01-23-2009, 10:01 AM

Great thread OP, but why is the two-piece being singled out over the vacuum-tractor beam chainsaw.

I created a thread a while ago in regards to which was more annoying the chainsaw or the 2-piece and 2/3 of the people had more of a problem with the chainsaw then they did over the 2-piece.

Fireescapeman

01-23-2009, 10:03 AM

Personally I am a bit upset that the 2-piece has been nerfed so early, I mean until this new update comes out it was either that or chainsawing that allowed the game to be playable against the host. Now I hate the lancer so 2 piecing was pretty much my only saviour in laggy matches but now that's toned down. Getting killed by the 2 piece didn't really bother me, simply because when you compare it to the host shooting diamonds at you its nothing really. Chainsawing on the other hand is just wrong hahaha.

Sure, once the lag is fixed or not as brutal after this next update removal of the 2-piece will be a necessity, I simply found it strange that its gone so early.

After the weapon balancing on the shotgun matches have been 95% unplayable.

I also want the weapon achievement things back like in gears one, headshots, revives ect. and not some simple ones like those level ones we got.

As for region filters all we need is 2 options : International and continental that should help it enough, so if they can add that it would be sweet.

Matchmaking is still horrible but I can deal with the fact that you aint gonna get what you want anymore so if they fix it yay if not meh, doesn't matter anymore

EDIT: BRING BACK SMOKE GRENADES AND MAKE THE STUNS A PICKUP

The Dawseman

01-23-2009, 10:07 AM

At the risk of been totally flamed for this I have no problem with the 2-piece tatic. Its the vacuum chainsaw that i hate the most

javs52

01-23-2009, 10:12 AM

Originally Posted by joeGraf
We will continue to adjust balance of the weapons over time. TU2 allowed us more finely grained control of updating our weapons via our servers. We'll use this to tweak balance in an ongoing basis. For instance, a change went in today to reduce the effectiveness of the "2-piece

What did they do today about it ???? does any1 know?

Jhova808

01-23-2009, 10:14 AM

so....how did fixing the two-piece work?

thisisepic

01-23-2009, 10:15 AM

so....how did fixing the two-piece work?

They fixed something on the server side of things, but it was still working just like always last night.

We wont really be able to tell a huge difference until TU3 probably.

oneiztoomany

01-23-2009, 10:17 AM

sounds like we are starting to get somewhere!

strictly86

01-23-2009, 10:18 AM

Hopefully this is the start of better things to come...my main problem is standby and lag...chainsaw and 2-piece part of the game got to be skillfull enough to avoid or know when to use them

Mark Rein

01-23-2009, 10:26 AM

I know.

I now have 7 infraction points, 3 lots of 2 from Mark for my signature for no good reason, 1 for 'bad behavior' (I 'insulted' a troll :p). If I get 3 more points I will get banned. Now tell me, what do I do that warrants being banned? All I do is help people (And post lulz).It is tiresome to try to try read the threads when people have big massive flashy crap in their signatures with lots of blank lines to make them take up more vertical space and lots of crazy use of color and font sizes/styles to distract your eyes. Keep 'em simple folks. The point of the forums is to read the posts, not the signatures. Posting your favorite beef in your sig, or a link to a post about your favorite beef, in no different than spamming and we're going to crack down on signature abuse to try to make the threads more readable.

We're also going to seriously crack down on people who post useless messages/threads (higher priority on threads) that are nothing more than noise. Posts which contain flames and insults to other members or users who simply repeat the same thing over and over again in multiple threads or posts will also earn infractions faster. Moving your favorite idea to your signature (so it can be repeated over and over again for you) is just a different way of spamming and will earn you infractions more often. When it really bothers us we'll erase your signature for you. If you see that happen you should consider it a clue to proper behavior. Cut it out. It's a signature, not an essay :) For people who post a lot signature abuse is the worst form of bandwidth hogging.

You guys want us to be more active in the forum? Then be more considerate of our time. Having to wade through 50 new threads on the same subject we read about 8 weeks ago (yes we read the forums!) isn't a productive use of our time. We heard you the first time and we're already working our butts off every day to continue to improve the game.

A few minutes ago somebody posted a thread complaining about how we weren't providing any information on the next TU. This person clearly didn't even to bother read the top thread on the forum (this one) and decided to start a new thread to complain. That kind of crap won't be tolerated any longer. We give out lots of information on this forum and reply to lots of threads. The reason people are seeing them is because they're cluttering up the forum with needless new threads. If we can reduce the clutter and repetition in the forum it will be a more valuable communication tool for you guys and for us.

And for those special folks who leave us a parting rant -- don't bother. It is an instant ban and we're likely to not only erase the thread with the rant but every other post you wrote on our forum prior to it. So you're wasting your keystrokes because whatever thing you thought was so important, that you decided was worth getting banned for, very few people actually got to read because some considerate forum reader reported your post 10 seconds after you wrote it and one of our moderators zapped it 10 seconds later :)

There are actually lots of considerate forum readers. I'm guessing many of them don't post very often because if they like the game, or they not having any problems with it, then less considerate people with some beef to air will rip them to shreds for saying so. But now that we're on a mission to hand out more of those 5 point "insulting other members" infractions hopefully we can cull the hurd and get rid of people who think they own the forum and can decide who should be listened to and who shouldn't.

II Coffey II

01-23-2009, 10:33 AM

This is a good thread. Thanks for taking the time to post it.

DaRKseID04

01-23-2009, 10:33 AM

I like ht egaem alot after the update. Some things are annoying because i got used to playing the game a certain way before teh update, but thats just me learning the new mechanics and if your learning curve isnt crap its easy to pick up on.

Jimfandango87

01-23-2009, 10:34 AM

Jhova808

01-23-2009, 10:34 AM

It is tiresome to try to try read the threads when people have big massive flashy crap in their signatures with lots of blank lines to make them take up more vertical space and lots of crazy use of color and font sizes/styles to distract your eyes. Keep 'em simple folks. The point of the forums is to read the posts, not the signatures. Posting your favorite beef in your sig, or a link to a post about your favorite beef, in no different than spamming and we're going to crack down on signature abuse to try to make the threads more readable.

We're also going to seriously crack down on people who post useless messages/threads (higher priority on threads) that are nothing more than noise. Posts which contain flames and insults to other members or users who simply repeat the same thing over and over again in multiple threads or posts will also earn infractions faster. Moving your favorite idea to your signature (so it can be repeated over and over again for you) is just a different way of spamming and will earn you infractions more often. When it really bothers us we'll erase your signature for you. If you see that happen you should consider it a clue to proper behavior. Cut it out. It's a signature, not an essay :) For people who post a lot signature abuse is the worst form of bandwidth hogging.

You guys want us to be more active in the forum? Then be more considerate of our time. Having to wade through 50 new threads on the same subject we read about 8 weeks ago (yes we read the forums!) isn't a productive use of our time. We heard you the first time and we're already working our butts off every day to continue to improve the game.

A few minutes ago somebody posted a thread complaining about how we weren't providing any information on the next TU. This person clearly didn't even to bother read the top thread on the forum (this one) and decided to start a new thread to complain. That kind of crap won't be tolerated any longer. We give out lots of information on this forum and reply to lots of threads. The reason people are seeing them is because they're cluttering up the forum with needless new threads. If we can reduce the clutter and repetition in the forum it will be a more valuable communication tool for you guys and for us.

And for those special folks who leave us a parting rant -- don't bother. It is an instant ban and we're likely to not only erase the thread with the rant but every other post you wrote on our forum prior to it. So you're wasting your keystrokes because whatever thing you thought was so important, that you decided was worth getting banned for, very few people actually got to read because some considerate forum reader reported your post 10 seconds after you wrote it and one of our moderators zapped it 10 seconds later :)

There are actually lots of considerate forum readers. I'm guessing many of them don't post very often because if they like the game, or they not having any problems with it, then less considerate people with some beef to air will rip them to shreds for saying so. But now that we're on a mission to hand out more of those 5 point "insulting other members" infractions hopefully we can cull the hurd and get rid of people who think they own the forum and can decide who should be listened to and who shouldn't.

pwnag3!!!!!

Kakashi

01-23-2009, 10:35 AM

I agree with everything said here; that post made my day, Mark. Thank you.

I think the forum will improve with stricter moderation and hope that it becomes the great communication tool that it has the potential to be.

Sneeaky

01-23-2009, 10:38 AM

Well said Mark.
Theres too much aggression on this forum and it must be tiring for your team.
Having said that there is a lot of aggression online in Gears. Is it a reflection of the type of gamer GOW has attracted?

Hmm?

The forum need a good tidy up anyway.

Mark Rein

01-23-2009, 10:39 AM

Thats another piece of good news. I hate standbyers.We all hate them. They're not unique to Gears either but that's no consolation to people whose fun they ruin in our game. I had an awesome Wingman game going that felt pretty balanced in the first round and then, wham!, we're all stuck and one jackass is flying around the map killing us. He proceeded to do this a few minutes into every round. If I could cancel his Xbox Live subscription I would but unfortunately only Microsoft can do that and they need us to be reporting people. If we want to punish these guys we have a duty to report them. I know it sounds futile but Microsoft says they take measure against people with lots of complaints. We're also looking into ways we can punish these folks but I can't elaborate on them and this is probably the last time I'll comment on this subject for a while.

DaRKseID04

01-23-2009, 10:41 AM

Thanks Mark. Just to know this information helps alot.

Simburgur

01-23-2009, 10:42 AM

(see above)

Thankyou for being honest. And that makes sense...is my signature OK now? And the problem I had was that you didn't point out exactly what was wrong with it (until now, that is).

And about the bit in bold: Shall I make an FAQ thread with answers/links to all the common questions/threads? (more ranks please/xp bar please/sperate the smoke and the stun/when is the patch/OMG IT'S LAGGY).

Oh and I guess you can ignore that email I sent you ;)

thisisepic

01-23-2009, 10:44 AM

We all hate them. They're not unique to Gears either but that's no consolation to people whose fun they ruin in our game. I had an awesome Wingman game going that felt pretty balanced in the first round and then, wham!, we're all stuck and one jackass is flying around the map killing us. He proceeded to do this a few minutes into every round. If I could cancel his Xbox Live subscription I would but unfortunately only Microsoft can do that and they need us to be reporting people. If we want to punish these guys we have a duty to report them. I know it sounds futile but Microsoft says they take measure against people with lots of complaints. We're also looking into ways we can punish these folks but I can't elaborate on them and this is probably the last time I'll comment on this subject for a while.

Bolded for all those who believe EPIC doesnt play their own game ;)

This is the BIGGEST issue in any game, glad it seems high priority to get taken care of.

Sneeaky

01-23-2009, 10:47 AM

Thankyou for being honest. And that makes sense...is my signature OK now? And the problem I had was that you didn't point out exactly what was wrong with it (until now, that is).

And about the bit in bold: Shall I make an FAQ thread with answers/links to all the common questions/threads? (more ranks please/xp bar please/sperate the smoke and the stun/when is the patch/OMG IT'S LAGGY).

Oh and I guess you can ignore that email I sent you ;)

Please dont bother. I dont need you to put what I need to find on the forum. I think you should read Marks post again.

Simburgur

01-23-2009, 10:53 AM

Please dont bother. I dont need you to put what I need to find on the forum. I think you should read Marks post again.

It's more for the people that are constantly posting the same threads over and over again.

Mark Rein

01-23-2009, 10:57 AM

Bolded for all those who believe EPIC doesnt play their own game ;)

This is the BIGGEST issue in any game, glad it seems high priority to get taken care of.Just to be clear - it is a difficult problem to solve. I just want you to know we feel your pain and we're doing what we can but I don't want to give anyone false hope that there's a magic bullet for this. If you realize what most of these folks are doing, and you understand how internet games work, you probably already know how hard it is to confirm this without creating a large amount of false positives that hurt the game for people who aren't cheating or who are on the edge of a "good-enough" internet connection.

briscoed

01-23-2009, 11:00 AM

I think standbying was pretty much nailed in the 1st gears I never seemed to suffer from it.

Was I just lucky?

Is there big reasons why its such a problem this time around.

Sorry I'm not very clue'd up on how these things work

Kakashi

01-23-2009, 11:01 AM

Just to be clear - it is a difficult problem to solve ... you probably already know how hard it is to confirm this without creating a large amount of false positives that hurt the game for people who aren't cheating or who are on the edge of a "good-enough" internet connection.

If they have that type of connection they should not be selected as host. This is part of the reason I believe better host selection implementation and host migration is a good solution to pursue.

theirishsta11ion

01-23-2009, 11:01 AM

Simburgur

01-23-2009, 11:03 AM

Just to be clear - it is a difficult problem to solve. I just want you to know we feel your pain and we're doing what we can but I don't want to give anyone false hope that there's a magic bullet for this. If you realize what most of these folks are doing, and you understand how internet games work, you probably already know how hard it is to confirm this without creating a large amount of false positives that hurt the game for people who aren't cheating or who are on the edge of a "good-enough" internet connection.

So the 'Connection Error' box would not cut it?

And I'm guna start on that thread anyway if that's OK with you.

Mark Rein

01-23-2009, 11:04 AM

Folks - please go easy on the quoting. There's zero need to quote my entire message when the post is only three or four posts up from your reply :) You use the quote thing and then edit all most of it. For example...

Mark Rein said: blah, blah, blah...
Those three little dots save a lot of scrolling, bandwidth and frustration (mine).

Blackop Elite

01-23-2009, 11:06 AM

blah Blah blah.

Good communication guys!!! I like that these questions are getting answered by you guys. Also for the guys cheating, couldn't you put the connection error box back in the game Mark to fix some of the problems with standby. Im not a computer genius or anything, but it seemed to work pretty good in the first Gears.

Also when someone cheats while your in a game with them what do you do? Just laugh and tell then who you work for? I imagine if I cheated and didn't know I was playing against Rod or Cliff or you, after you told me who you were I bet my rear end would pucker up a little!!!:D

briscoed

01-23-2009, 11:06 AM

My thoughts were that rank is what people are cheating over as well.

Shame some people resort to this frustrating players and making epics job of creating good fun games even harder

Your Devastator

01-23-2009, 11:07 AM

hey Mark, is there any plans, or talk of plans, about bring back the character movement speed of the 1st Gears, along with the Gnasher's firing rate? please tell me something good! n true. lol

Jhova808

01-23-2009, 11:08 AM

i was just watching some Iceman/like butter montages on youtube and......how about bringin back the awesome shotty gibs/ different ways teh bodys fall after headshot animations from the first GOW?

i know thats probably not a huge priority or anything, but i just think it would be neato burrito.

o WarHearT o

01-23-2009, 11:16 AM

ho...host...host migration?

please?

Simburgur

01-23-2009, 11:16 AM

Folks - please go easy on the quoting. There's zero need to quote my entire message when the post is only three or four posts up from your reply :) You use the quote thing and then edit all most of it.

See, you need to add stuff like this to the guidelines, very few people are going to read it here.

Just Cause

01-23-2009, 11:17 AM

I have never spoken to anyone...ever on Gears 2 who thinks its better than gears 1. I have also never seen many postss with this view point on here

Hello, my name is David and I prefer Gears 2 over Gears 1.

Mark Rein

01-23-2009, 11:23 AM

Also when someone cheats while your in a game with them what do you do? Just laugh and tell then who you work for? I imagine if I cheated and didn't know I was playing against Rod or Cliff or you, after you told me who you were I bet my rear end would pucker up a little!!!:DI have multiple gamertags. Oddly enough even when I play with the gamertag "MARKREIN" I'll very occasionally get someone accusing me of impersonating myself but most people have no clue that I'm connected with the game and I'm perfectly fine with that.

Mark Rein

01-23-2009, 11:28 AM

Hello, my name is David and I prefer Gears 2 over Gears 1.Me too but please don't feed the trolls.

Simburgur

01-23-2009, 11:28 AM

(see above)

I'm just wondering, do you guys at Epic actually have the power to manually reset someones stats/rank, or temporarily ban them from matchmaking?

Headsh0t222

01-23-2009, 11:32 AM

Gears 2 > Gears 1.

kaienshiba

01-23-2009, 11:38 AM

fixed 2-piecing yet the shotgun is still a p.o.s. eh?

glad i've been practicing with the boltok, since the shotgun is 100% worthless now.

Mark Rein

01-23-2009, 11:40 AM

Eh.... Am i trolling, because I have a different opinion now?I went back and looked at this guy's posts and he has been singing the same song over and over and over again. That's called spamming and we don't need it here. He's been banned. I really don't enjoy people who say they, and they alone, speak for the masses and say it over and over and over and over and over again. Enough is enough.

Simburgur

01-23-2009, 11:45 AM

Mark, I read through and as far as I can see you haven't answered my question; would you mind if I compiled a thread of general quotes answering some of the common questions?

EDIT: And is my signature OK now that I have removed two of the lines? I don't want to get modsmacked again.

JohnnyQuest

01-23-2009, 11:49 AM

Hey Mark, thanks for all the good info. Just wondering what "tweaks" you guys added to help the two piecing factor.
Didn't see anything on it in all 26 pages.. Yes I read it all. ;p