OFFICIAL: Matchmaking Playlist Thread

[fufu]

Discuss the perceived pros and cons of the current setup, and offer up suggestions to improve the system.

[AdidasStockholm]

Thanks fufu.

Can we have a poll please :D

[fufu]

Thanks fufu.

Can we have a poll please :D

Sorry, polls seem to be a source of distraction, so we'll avoid them in this discussion for now. :)

[Elkhawg]

I think the new matchmaking system looks great, I can't think of anything to improve. :)

[Imortalfalcon]

Re-inputting my input. I'm in a voting mood, just voted for the first time this weekend :D.
Thanks Fufu.

I'm a bit up in the air on this one, but the matchmaking seems odd, not sure if I like it. Was always nice choosing what maps and game modes to play, but now I believe we are forced into random maps/modes :confused:.

[Steveox152]

Thanks for the thread FuFu

[D4RKERTH4NBL4CK]

Multi-team playlist - features Wingman
Execution playlist - features Execution
Warzone Playlist - features Warzone
Team Objective - features Submission and Guardian
Team Territories - features KOTH and Annex
Horde Playlist - features Horde

^ Dan's new idea is what I like best. ^

It moves Submission from "Objective" and Guardian from "Elimination" into a new one, and separates Warzone and Execution.

[ProTalent]

The ONLY thing is not being able to choose a specific gametype to play. Also if someones quits out of the game willl there be a penalty? Other then that, this will be the best game of '08 and I appreciate all of the hard work you guys have put in.

[.Damon]

Here is what I think should happen.

Playlist:
Warzone - Warzone
Execution - Execution
Guardian - Guardian
Territories - Annex/KOTH
Submission - Submission
Wingman - Wingman
Horde - Horde

It doesn't have to be exactly like that. My main concern is that warzone and execution are together. The first thing you guys should do is separate the two. There are A LOT of people that like Execution and hate warzone and vice versa.

I don't like the fact that there's a 66% chance I won't get what I want to play and then if it does get chosen another 50% I won't play it. This is just going to cause more quitting than normal.. Like just imagine Gears 1.. A lot of people quit for no reason other than being upset.. Now in Gears 2 they HAVE a reason.. Reason being that they don't want to be forced in playing something they don't want.

So please Epic, at least just separate Warzone and Execution.

I think this thread should get stickied so that it's easy to find.

[pinchmatt1991]

Multi-team playlist - features Wingman
Execution playlist - features Execution
Warzone Playlist - features Warzone
Team Objective - features Submission and Guardian
Team Territories - features KOTH and Annex
Horde Playlist - features Horde

^ Dan's new idea is what I like best. ^

It moves Submission from "Objective" and Guardian from "Elimination" into a new one, and separates Warzone and Execution.

Yeah i like this idea, would be great if epic could incorperate it.

[Steveox152]

Multi-team playlist - features Wingman
Execution playlist - features Execution
Warzone Playlist - features Warzone
Team Objective - features Submission and Guardian
Team Territories - features KOTH and Annex
Horde Playlist - features Horde

^ Dan's new idea is what I like best. ^

Moves Submission from Objective and Guardian from Elimination into a new one, and separates Warzone and Execution.

I think this is the most logical idea that could be implemented into the playlists.

Lets make this clear We all like the matchmaking system we just dont all agree with the playlists in matchmaking :D

[Elkhawg]

The ONLY thing is not being able to choose a specific gametype to play. Also if someones quits out of the game willl there be a penalty? Other then that, this will be the best game of '08 and I appreciate all of the hard work you guys have put in.


Wait, its not going to let you choose if you want to play Warzone or Annex or Submission? So it chooses a random gametype for you? WOW I certainly don't like that idea.

[teslarossa]

Pro: In the rare event that Gears 2 multiplayer becomes an abandoned ghost town, this will help players find each other more easily, rather than distribute them amongst 10 different play lists. however this is Gears we are talking about so I don't ever foresee lack of players to be an issue.

Cons: Execution and Warzone, while not all that different have developed a cult following and as such, I think need to be separated. Guardian is less deathmatch, more objective based, so I don't think the pairing with Execution and Warzone is justified.

I think the earlier suggestion of grouping Guardian with the other objective based games is a good idea.

I think the voting system is very cool, I just think it will end up being like Gears 1 where every single person wants to play Gridlock except for you (because it drives you insane) but you have no choice in the matter. Except this time rather than just having 20 warzone Gridlock matches appear every time you search, you will be outvoted into playing execution. Not really a big deal for me, but I guarantee you that there will be quitting involved...people would quit in gears 1 if they rushed and couldn't pull off a 2piece, the community is just that immature, but it will ruin the experience for many of us.

[pinchmatt1991]

Wait, its not going to let you choose if you want to play Warzone or Annex or Submission? So it chooses a random gametype for you? WOW I certainly don't like that idea.

Hoping epic might change it in due time.

[lordfiendfred]

the only thing i care about to be honest is not being able to choose execution instead of warzone, I like all the the gametypes except warzone.. The veto idea is cool but I would really want to see the flashback map packs without having to select the flashback players coice option...

[pinchmatt1991]

the only thing i care about to be honest is not being able to choose execution instead of warzone, I like all the the gametypes except warzone.. The veto idea is cool but I would really want to see the flashback map packs without having to select the flashback players coice option...

Yeah i would be great if epic could make playlists require the map pack.

[.Damon]

the only thing i care about to be honest is not being able to choose execution instead of warzone, I like all the the gametypes except warzone.. The veto idea is cool but I would really want to see the flashback map packs without having to select the flashback players coice option...

That's exactly how I feel.. As long as I can play Execution and ONLY Execution when I want, I'll be happy.

[Steveox152]

Yeah i would be great if epic could make playlists require the map pack.

There is a flashback mappack playlist

I think its random gamemodes that you vote on...im not really sure but there is a playlist called "Flashback Map Pack Players Choice"

[Elkhawg]

Hoping epic might change it in due time.

Man not only am I not a fan of that idea, I hate that idea. That is the only thing wrong I have seen yet with this game

[.Damon]

Hoping epic might change it in due time.

Just wondering.. Do you want it to change now?

[Trickery]

I'm fine with the default system. If it were to change, either of these sounds fine.


Warzone - Warzone
Execution - Execution
Guardian - Guardian
Territories - Annex/KOTH
Submission - Submission
Wingman - Wingman
Horde - Horde


Multi-team playlist - features Wingman
Execution playlist - features Execution
Warzone Playlist - features Warzone
Team Objective - features Submission and Guardian
Team Territories - features KOTH and Annex
Horde Playlist - features Horde

I don't think Gears of War suffers from lack of players. It should be fine however you go about it. Though it seems a lot of people don't like it and I want as little quitting as possible. I'll personally probably be in Private matches most of my Gears of War 2 'career', depending on friends, so its really not concerning to me.

[Steveox152]

Pro: In the rare event that Gears 2 multiplayer becomes an abandoned ghost town, this will help players find each other more easily, rather than distribute them amongst 10 different play lists. however this is Gears we are talking about so I don't ever foresee lack of players to be an issue.

Cons: Execution and Warzone, while not all that different have developed a cult following and as such, I think need to be separated. Guardian is less deathmatch, more objective based, so I don't think the pairing with Execution and Warzone is justified.

I think the earlier suggestion of grouping Guardian with the other objective based games is a good idea.

I think the voting system is very cool, I just think it will end up being like Gears 1 where every single person wants to play Gridlock except for you (because it drives you insane) but you have no choice in the matter. Except this time rather than just having 20 warzone Gridlock matches appear every time you search, you will be outvoted into playing execution. Not really a big deal for me, but I guarantee you that there will be quitting involved...people would quit in gears 1 if they rushed and couldn't pull off a 2piece, the community is just that immature, but it will ruin the experience for many of us.

The voting system is very cool and I really like it for the Maps. I even like it with the game modes like Guardian vs Submission - Annex vs King of the Hill.

I think most of us want the same thing...Warzone and Execution to be seperate playlists. Then Guardian and Submission should be paired because they are more of objective type modes. Guardian is a elimination type mode but the objective is to kill the leader. It just seems more suited to be paired with submission.

Then the obvious pairing is Annex and King of the Hill that is a no brainer.

Then wingman and horde would have their own.

So the new playlists would look like this

Execution

Warzone

Team Objective - Guardian, Submission

Team Territories - Annex, King of the Hill

Wingman

Horde

[lordfiendfred]

Just wondering.. Do you want it to change now?

I do because the main thing that bothered me playing halo is not being able to play the type of game I like and being forced to play Oddball for example.. like i said in Gears my only problem is to play warzone when i just don't want...

[gearsofwarfanatic]

off topic: why did adidas stockholm get banned?

[XoI Ben IoX]

Multi-team playlist - features Wingman
Execution playlist - features Execution
Warzone Playlist - features Warzone
Team Objective - features Submission and Guardian
Team Territories - features KOTH and Annex
Horde Playlist - features Horde

^ Dan's new idea is what I like best. ^

It moves Submission from "Objective" and Guardian from "Elimination" into a new one, and separates Warzone and Execution.

Yeah, I back this idea. I'v heard that there is a massive split between Execution and Warzone people. Lol. So it's better for both of them to be separated. I also like the idea of having Guardian in team objective, seeing as it mainly is an objective to kill someone.

[Steveox152]

off topic: why did adidas stockholm get banned?

I have no idea

[gearsofwarfanatic]

that was just random, lol. but i was just curious.

[XoI Ben IoX]

off topic: why did adidas stockholm get banned?

Ask him. Lol

[gearsofwarfanatic]

Ask him. Lol

i cant, he got the banhammer up his behind.

[fufu]

A bit of clarification on how voting works in playlists:

Each player gets one vote for one of two gametypes in a particular playlist, if the vote somehow ends in a tie then the third option is selected, or if a third option isn't available it will randomly pick between the two.

A bit of reasoning on why we combined Warzone and Execution (or why less is more):

Matchmaking requires a certain amount of population to support reasonable matchmaking times, and the more we can pool population the quicker players will get into actual games. If it is apparent that the population for both gametypes is sufficiently high then it is quite possible for us to create dedicated playlists, but until that time we're taking the cautious approach which leads to more matches played.

Please note that you can select the specific gametype for private matches at any time. Also keep in mind that it's now simple to play with a full party in public matches, which your party could choose to vote for a specific gametype which would significantly increase the odds of playing the desired gametype.

[Steveox152]

Yeah, I back this idea. I'v heard that there is a massive split between Execution and Warzone people. Lol. So it's better for both of them to be separated. I also like the idea of having Guardian in team objective, seeing as it mainly is an objective to kill someone.

There is a huge divide between execution and warzone players.

That is why I cant play with all my friends at one time. Some of them will NOT play execution and some will NOT play warzone.

I think that this will cause alot of quitting when people dont want to play a certain gamemode.

[gearsofwarfanatic]

back on topic.

EDIT: this was to my question.

[.Damon]

I don't think Guardian and Submission should be together.. I think they deserve to be separate just like Warzone and Execution. Although I can live with guardian and submission being together, I think they are too different types of modes that don't relate to each other. In one you're downing the meatflag and taking it to the spot and in the other you're just trying to kill the leader.

I think both modes will be liked by different people and I think that the community from both will start to complain about separating them.

[Steveox152]

A bit of clarification on how voting works in playlists:

Each player gets one vote for one of two gametypes in a particular playlist, if the vote somehow ends in a tie then the third option is selected, or if a third option isn't available it will randomly pick between the two.

A bit of reasoning on why we combined Warzone and Execution (or why less is more):

Matchmaking requires a certain amount of population to support reasonable matchmaking times, and the more we can pool population the quicker players will get into actual games. If it is apparent that the population for both gametypes is sufficiently high then it is quite possible for us to create dedicated playlists, but until that time we're taking the cautious approach which leads to more matches played.

Please note that you can select the specific gametype for private matches at any time. Also keep in mind that it's now simple to play with a full party in public matches, which your party could choose to vote for a specific gametype which would significantly increase the odds of playing the desired gametype.

I think the thing that some of us are worried about is alot of people quitting when they dont get the game mode that they want to play. I understand why you guys are doing this but I think that Warzone and Execution will have a big fanbase so hopefully after release we can get some new playlists.

[Trickery]

we're taking the cautious approach which leads to more matches played.

I figured it was fine for now. Like someone said (think it was Joe), we should give it a month so everyone can get a better grip on the situation.

[Steveox152]

I don't think Guardian and Submission should be together.. I think they deserve to be separate just like Warzone and Execution. Although I can live with guardian and submission being together, I think they are too different types of modes that don't relate to each other. In one you're downing the meatflag and taking it to the spot and in the other you're just trying to kill the leader.

I think both modes will be liked by different people and I think that the community from both will start to complain about separating them.

Well if its the 2 of them then people can choose between those 2.

I think a big thing with warzone and execution is that they are paired with Guardian as well.

So if you want to play execution and you go into a game where the choices are Warzone and Guardian then you are going to leave that game and keep joining new ones until you get the game mode you want.

[.Damon]

A bit of clarification on how voting works in playlists:

Each player gets one vote for one of two gametypes in a particular playlist, if the vote somehow ends in a tie then the third option is selected, or if a third option isn't available it will randomly pick between the two.

A bit of reasoning on why we combined Warzone and Execution (or why less is more):

Matchmaking requires a certain amount of population to support reasonable matchmaking times, and the more we can pool population the quicker players will get into actual games. If it is apparent that the population for both gametypes is sufficiently high then it is quite possible for us to create dedicated playlists, but until that time we're taking the cautious approach which leads to more matches played.

Please note that you can select the specific gametype for private matches at any time. Also keep in mind that it's now simple to play with a full party in public matches, which your party could choose to vote for a specific gametype which would significantly increase the odds of playing the desired gametype.

I understand why you guys would have them together. But just like myself and I bet other people.. I will be willing to wait a little longer if I get to play Execution all the time.

I just don't think you should have your two most popular modes in the same playlist.

[Steveox152]

I figured it was fine for now. Like someone said (think it was Joe), we should give it a month so everyone can get a better grip on the situation.

Its not gonna bother me when the game is released but I am gonna be bothered by all the quitters.

[AVTR3]

I don't necessarily mind the current way matchmaking looks like, but what was mentioned before I also wouldn't mind a couple changes. I really like the previous list mentioned, just add in a playlist that includes all gametypes and maps like the current Player's Choice playlist (although this should really require that all players who participate in this playlist have all DLC maps; rather than having a seperate playlist for those maps). This way, we have:

Warzone Playlist: Warzone
Execution Playlist: Execution
Wingman Playlist: Wingman
Objective Playlist: Submission & Guardian
Territories Playlist: Annex & KOTH
Horde Playlist: Horde
Variety Playlist: All Gametypes & All Maps

Although, again, I personally think the current playlists are good as they force players to actually play and learn from a variety of gametypes.


Current Setup:

Elimination- Warzone, Execution and Guardian
Territories- Annex, King of the Hill and Submission
Wingman- Wingman
Horde- Horde
Player's Choice- All maps and all gamemodes
Flashback Player's Choice- Flashback maps and all gamemodes

EDIT: After reading Fufu's post, I would have to say KEEP the current playlists. I completely forgot that we had the option to vote between the gametypes in the playlists. However, I still think that the Flashback Player's Choice should just be taken out and the Player's Choice playlist should include all maps and gametypes, including DLC, and require all players to have all DLC maps to play in the playlist.

[Steveox152]

I understand why you guys would have them together. But just like myself and I bet other people.. I will be willing to wait a little longer if I get to play Execution all the time.

I just don't think you should have your two most popular modes in the same playlist.

There is no argument that Warzone and Execution are going to be the 2 most played modes. That is why they should be by themselves. The other modes will be grouped together because they will have a smaller base of players.

[xSNiPeR4LiFe]

fufu
i know you saw the thread about changing the matchmaking playlist
and you saw that many people didnt like how it was
please consider chaging the playlist
i do not believe that it is fair that i as a gamer of gears of war 2 have to be forced to play a gamemode that i do not want to play
you see im a big fan of warzone..not execution
and with the new elimintaion playlist us gamers dont have a very high chance of getting to play what we want to play every time
is there any way that you could consider seperating warzone and execution into their own playlist?
also i think gears of war 2 would be a better game if you could just sperate everything to its own playlist....it would work
a lot of players will want to play just guradian or KOTH or even annex and not have to worry about having to play another gametype...
i respect what you have at the moment i just think it could be better and more suited for us gamers
i just dont want to be forced to play something i dont want to plus this will cause many many MANY quiters and we do not want that
so yea.....
please consider changing it

[Skum]

[QUOTE=D4RKERTH4NBL4CK;25615647]Multi-team playlist - features Wingman
Execution playlist - features Execution
Warzone Playlist - features Warzone
Team Objective - features Submission and Guardian
Team Territories - features KOTH and Annex
Horde Playlist - features Horde



this works better than current MM as of what i hear

basically as long as Warzone and Execution are seperated in there own unique playlist i think the morajority will be satisfied and everything will be gravy

[Steveox152]

I don't necessarily mind the current way matchmaking looks like, but what was mentioned before I also wouldn't mind a couple changes. I really like the previous list mentioned, just add in a playlist that includes all gametypes and maps like the current Player's Choice playlist (although this should really require that all players who participate in this playlist have all DLC maps; rather than having a seperate playlist for those maps). This way, we have:

Warzone Playlist: Warzone
Execution Playlist: Execution
Wingman Playlist: Wingman
Objective Playlist: Submission & Guardian
Territories Playlist: Annex & KOTH
Horde Playlist: Horde
Variety Playlist: All Gametypes & All Maps

Although, again, I personally think the current playlists are good as they force players to actually play and learn from a variety of gametypes.

I think the main problem is that people dont want to be forced to learn and play gametypes they dont want to play.

[lordfiendfred]

A bit of clarification on how voting works in playlists:

Each player gets one vote for one of two gametypes in a particular playlist, if the vote somehow ends in a tie then the third option is selected, or if a third option isn't available it will randomly pick between the two.

A bit of reasoning on why we combined Warzone and Execution (or why less is more):

Matchmaking requires a certain amount of population to support reasonable matchmaking times, and the more we can pool population the quicker players will get into actual games. If it is apparent that the population for both gametypes is sufficiently high then it is quite possible for us to create dedicated playlists, but until that time we're taking the cautious approach which leads to more matches played.

Please note that you can select the specific gametype for private matches at any time. Also keep in mind that it's now simple to play with a full party in public matches, which your party could choose to vote for a specific gametype which would significantly increase the odds of playing the desired gametype.

Well yeah you're right on that time will tell.. mmm i don't know you but I and many people out there NEVER play private matches.

[Steveox152]

fufu
i know you saw the thread about changing the matchmaking playlist
and you saw that many people didnt like how it was
please consider chaging the playlist
i do not believe that it is fair that i as a gamer of gears of war 2 have to be forced to play a gamemode that i do not want to play
you see im a big fan of warzone..not execution
and with the new elimintaion playlist us gamers dont have a very high chance of getting to play what we want to play every time
is there any way that you could consider seperating warzone and execution into their own playlist?
also i think gears of war 2 would be a better game if you could just sperate everything to its own playlist....it would work
a lot of players will want to play just guradian or KOTH or even annex and not have to worry about having to play another gametype...
i respect what you have at the moment i just think it could be better and more suited for us gamers
i just dont want to be forced to play something i dont want to plus this will cause many many MANY quiters and we do not want that
so yea.....
please consider changing it

He said that they would consider changing it after they evaluate them after the game is released. They are not going to change it before release but we can disscuss it here.

[Skum]

I think the main problem is that people dont want to be forced to learn and play gametypes they dont want to play.

yeah and like the guy above said the current MM will most likely bring about more quittrers

[Steveox152]

I can see it now...everyone voting for warzone then the 3 people that want execution to leave the game as soon as it starts. Then you have a 5v2

[Kantham]

Territories - Annex/KOTH


NO. No. and no. :)
That would be like:

People with Guns - Warzone/Execution
I love Annex but I hate KoTH. Yes, the PC version of Gears 1 has it.

[lordfiendfred]

Also what are you guys doing for quitters? I know there are ranks but what will happen in public matches? are they going to be like the player matches in Gears 1 where people will add in the middle of the match??

[xSNiPeR4LiFe]

omgawshhhhh
why cant they just sperate every damn game mode this is getting me so mad
goddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd

[MET4LLICA]

Fuuuufuuuuuuu omg make magic and make a seperate playlist for Warzoneeeeeee

[lordfiendfred]

omgawshhhhh
why cant they just sperate every damn game mode this is getting me so mad
goddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddd

grow up..............

[.Damon]

NO. No. and no. :)
That would be like:

People with Guns - Warzone/Execution
I love Annex but I hate KoTH. Yes, the PC version of Gears 1 has it.

They are going to have to group something together if we won't want to have to wait like 2 hours. KOTH and Annex are the two most similar game modes which is why I think they should be put together.

[remote]

I think the main problem is that people dont want to be forced to learn and play gametypes they dont want to play.It's not so much learning a new game type since most people are familiar with them all by now. It's more a case of some people don't like Warzone and some people don't like Execution. Personally I hate playing Execution. There's nothing wrong with Executon, I personally just don't like to play it and don't want to be forced to play something that gives me no pleasure. I want to be able to fire up Gears and play Warzone for a few hours and nothing else but that's not going to happen anymore. Having fun is what it's all about isn't it??. If I can't play the gamemodes I want then I just won't bother, it's as simple as that.

And quitters are already a MASSIVE problem in Gears 2 as a result of this new matchmaking no choice system.

[Steveox152]

They are going to have to group something together if we won't want to have to wait like 2 hours. KOTH and Annex are the two most similar game modes which is why I think they should be put together.

Yeah they need to be grouped together they are basically the same gamemode.

[MET4LLICA]

They are going to have to group something together if we won't want to have to wait like 2 hours. KOTH and Annex are the two most similar game modes which is why I think they should be put together.
We won't though, its no tlike trying to find a game in Crimson Skies for old xbox or something. this is going to be the biggest game on XBL

[Steveox152]

It's not so much learning a new game type since most people are familiar with them all by now. It's more a case of some people don't like Warzone and some people don't like Execution. Personally I hate playing Execution. There's nothing wrong with Executon, I personally just don't like to play it and don't want to be forced to play something that gives me no pleasure. I want to be able to fire up Gears and play Warzone for a few hours and nothing but that's not going to happen anymore. Having fun is what it's all about isn't it??. If I can't play the gamemodes I want then I just won't bother, it's as simple as that. Quitters are a MASSIVE problem already in Gears 2 as a result of this new matchmaking no choice system.


This is mostly a problem that play with a party of 1-3 people. If you have 4 or 5 people in your party you will most likely get the majority vote. But for someone like me that sometimes plays by myself or with one other person, it will be hard for us to get the game mode that we want.

[FrostBiyte]

Pros: I have always been a fan of the whole concept of MM. With the addition of trueskill, and ranks, and to ability to vote for the map you want, its looking better than Halo's MM. Party systems are great, games nowadays without them just seem odd.

Cons: Like many others have said, I think seperateing Execution and Warzone would be a good idea, and put submission and guardian together in an "Objective" playlist. Other than that though, im fine with two game types being in the same playlist, and having the ability to vote for the one I want is a bonus.

[KayODave]

I for one am big on Annex, and ever since it came out it's all I play. I don't know what I'll think of KOTH or Submission but I know I'll still be frequenting Annex. And when I'm in the mood to play Annex all day and get stuck in KOTH, I WILL quit.

[Aaron89]

I sort of (emphasis on "sort of") understand Epic's reasoning for grouping Warzone and Execution - and chances are, they'll realize that both playlists have a sufficient amount of players to keep waiting times at a minimum.

However, the reasoning for putting "Guardian" within Elimination is crazy. It's nothing like Warzone or Execution, at all.

Hopefully, things will change shortly after release. Until then, I still know I'll have a blast playing this game.

[Steveox152]

We won't though, its no tlike trying to find a game in Crimson Skies for old xbox or something. this is going to be the biggest game on XBL

I agree I dont think anyone is going to have any problem finding matches....but at least epic is trying to do everything in their power to make the game better for us online....so that gives me confidense that they will fix the playlists after launch ;)

Most company's would just through in anything and never touch it again

[EE Shadow]

Hey Fufu, glad to see you guys ask for our input!

I think the wait times wouldn't be long if had each game type as there own playlist. Call of Duty 4 had lots of playlist. Halo 3 has a good bit of playlist also.

Gears will easily be able to handle 8playlist.

Execution Playlist
Warzone Playlist
Guardian Playlist
Submission Playlist
KOTH Playlist ( I think you could combine KOTH and Annex if there population is low)
Annex Playlist
Horde Playlist
Wingman Playlist


Most of all put execution and warzone in there own list, they were the bread and butter modes in gears of war 1 and alot of people just want to play that one certain mode, dont force someone to play warzone that like execution and dont make someone play execution that likes warzone.

I think you could also put submission and guardian in there own list also as a tactics list, but only if the individual list aren't popular enough.

You could package KOTH and Annex together also there close enough to be in there own list.

So if you want minimum list you could do this:
Warzone Playlist
Execution Playlist
Team Tactic Playlist(Guardian/Submission)
Team Terrority Playlist (KOTH/Annex)
Wingman Playlist
Horde Playlist

also make those flashback maps free so they can be in the playlist instead of being in there own playlist.

[KayODave]

And besides, I HATE MM, it's the reason I stopped playing CoD4, a main reason why I fell in love with Gears was because of the way multiplayer was set up, and believe it or not, I liked that slight bullet lag.

[Trickery]

I liked CoD4's system. It may not have been 'Ranked', but you did get rankings and people could drop in and out.

[MasterKenny10]

EPIC i think uve heard the ppl speak their minds - the majority would want execution and warzone to be separated otherwise it will cause more quitting.

[Steveox152]

Ok ive noticed some people that are in a panic that epic needs to patch this game before release.

Let me make something clear.

Epic will not need to patch the game to fix the playlist...they can change them whenever they want to change them right from their office.

So dont worry if it needs to be changed it will be changed

[.Damon]

Something no one has mentioned. I think "players' choice" needs to go. It just makes no sense in my mind since it's just a mixture of all the modes put together. People will already have an idea of what they want to play and there's no need to have this playlist. If that goes they can easily make warzone and execution separate with no problems.

[xSNiPeR4LiFe]

Execution Playlist
Warzone Playlist
Guardian Playlist
Submission Playlist
KOTH Playlist ( I think you could combine KOTH and Annex if there population is low)
Annex Playlist
Horde Playlist
Wingman Playlist



please do this please do this

[Steveox152]

And besides, I HATE MM, it's the reason I stopped playing CoD4, a main reason why I fell in love with Gears was because of the way multiplayer was set up, and believe it or not, I liked that slight bullet lag.

This isnt the place for that man....that might ignite an argument...almost everyone here will defend matchmaking and they hate host advantage. Keep in mind these are the epic forums and its mostly fan boys like me

[Rackers]

I don't like matchmaking as it forces me to play in games that are laggy and perceived to be so.

I'd like to chose the games I join!

[KayODave]

I'd like to point out that alot of people are arriving at the conclusion of:

Warzone playlist
Execution Playlist
Guardian/Submission playlist
Annex/KOTH playlist
Wingman playlist
Horde playlist

This seems to be the most popular idea, and I personally would be fine with it.

[Steveox152]

Something no one has mentioned. I think "players' choice" needs to go. It just makes no sense in my mind since it's just a mixture of all the modes put together. People will already have an idea of what they want to play and there's no need to have this playlist. If that goes they can easily make warzone and execution separate with no problems.

They are going to change the playlists around once the game is released. There is no way to really tell what the community likes and doesnt like until it comes out.

Of course almost everyone wants warzone and execution removed but I dont see anything bad about players choice.

[BrendanL]

I think you should have it the same way as it was in the first Gears. In Gears 2, there are playlists which allows people to decide what mode and map is to be played. I do not like this idea. For example, the playlist which has Warzone, my favourite mode, also has Execution, my least favourite mode. If I only intend on playing a Warzone match, it may be a while before I can finally play a Warzone match because people within the game may prefer to play Execution. Another thing I do not like about Gears 2 is that Player Matches are now gone. In Player Matches, you could invite your friends to join the game, and people you didn't know could join the game as well. I hear that in Private Matches, strangers are not allowed to join, and the host is the only one who can invite people into the game. This is why I prefer how matches were set up in the first Gears. You could choose what mode you want to play, how many matches, whether to have it weapon swapped or not etc... And you could play Player Matches, which allows everyone within the game to invite people to the game, and it also allows strangers to join the game as well.

[Steveox152]

I'd like to point out that alot of people are arriving at the conclusion of:

Warzone playlist
Execution Playlist
Guardian/Submission playlist
Annex/KOTH playlist
Wingman playlist
Horde playlist

This seems to be the most popular idea, and I personally would be fine with it.

That is def. the most popular idea....I really think that is what it is going to end up being. But who knows maybe epic has some other ideas on what they could do.

[.Damon]

They are going to change the playlists around once the game is released. There is no way to really tell what the community likes and doesnt like until it comes out.

Of course almost everyone wants warzone and execution removed but I dont see anything bad about players choice.

Well I thought they should remove it since they say "the more playlist, the longer wait time." So if that's true, then players' choice seems pointless.

[Chacon]

Maybe you can organize them in playlists, like they are now, but don't use them for matchmaking (at least not the one's that have, and most likely will still have, a lot of people playing them like Warzone and Execution, besides they are two very different gametypes even though they have one small/main difference).

Sorry for the comparison but you could do something like Halo (you go to public or private, then you look for the playlist, let's say territories, then you choose the gametype, KOTH or Annex, then you just start matchmaking).

I understand that you have to see how populated the playlists will be and maybe make a change based on that after the game's release, so right now I don't think we should be upset about it, we should just wait for the game to come out, try it and if we still don't like it then we can keep on asking for this to be changed.

Thanks for hearing what the fans have to say!
That's why I like EPIC so much :)

[Rackers]

I liked how Gears 1 was, I can invite my friends to join my game I don't need a Galo system to make Galo fans feel better.

[Steveox152]

I think you should have it the same way as it was in the first Gears. In Gears 2, there are playlists which allows people to decide what mode and map is to be played. I do not like this idea. For example, the playlist which has Warzone, my favourite mode, also has Execution, my least favourite mode. If I only intend on playing a Warzone match, it may be a while before I can finally play a Warzone match because people within the game may prefer to play Execution. Another thing I do not like about Gears 2 is that Player Matches are now gone. In Player Matches, you could invite your friends to join the game, and people you didn't know could join the game as well. I hear that in Private Matches, strangers are not allowed to join, and the host is the only one who can invite people into the game. This is why I prefer how matches were set up in the first Gears. You could choose what mode you want to play, how many matches, whether to have it weapon swapped or not etc... And you could play Player Matches, which allows everyone within the game to invite people to the game, and it also allows strangers to join the game as well.

That is why there is now a party system so you can play with your friends in ranked matches. This is the best way to do it...after every game you can invite more of your friends into your party to play ranked matches

[KayODave]

This isnt the place for that man....that might ignite an argument...almost everyone here will defend matchmaking and they hate host advantage. Keep in mind these are the epic forums and its mostly fan boys like me

I'm not here to ignite an argument, no, that would ruin a very useful thread. It's just that, is there any way to set up multiplayer similar to gears 1 without there being hosts?

[Rackers]

I'm not here to ignite an argument, no, that would ruin a very useful thread. It's just that, is there any way to set up multiplayer similar to gears 1 without there being hosts?

Most agreed.

[Steveox152]

Maybe you can organize them in playlists, like they are now, but don't use them for matchmaking (at least not the one's that have, and most likely will still have, a lot of people playing them like Warzone and Execution, besides they are two very different gametypes even though they have one small/main difference).

Sorry for the comparison but you could do something like Halo (you go to public or private, then you look for the playlist, let's say territories, then you choose the gametype, KOTH or Annex, then you just start matchmaking.

I understand that you have to see how populated the playlists will be and maybe make a change based on that after the game's release, so right now I don't think we should be upset about it, we should just wait for the game to come out, try it and if we still don't like it then we can keep on asking for this to be changed.

Thanks for hearing what the fans have to say!
That's why I like EPIC so much :)

I think that the voting system will work great but not in the case of warzone and execution. But it should work fine with all the other game modes.

[KayODave]

Warzone playlist
Execution Playlist
Guardian/Submission playlist
Annex/KOTH playlist
Wingman playlist
Horde playlist

Along with that popular idea, I think player matches should be brought back, in the context where instead of what is now always a private match, the host can determine whether it will be private with bots, or public with other humans. If this was combined with the said MM setup, I think gears 2 multiplayer would absolutely blow all other games out of the water.

[.Damon]

I don't think you can have both "searching for rooms" and MM. Seems like it would make the game way more laggy with people trying to find matches in MM and then people searching for servers.

I think that's why I haven't seen it in any game.

[bshth]

They took away freedom of players picking a game by implenting Match Making system... :S Less freedom = less joyous

[pinchmatt1991]

They took away freedom of players picking a game by implenting Match Making system... :S Less freedom = less joyous

They have not taken your freedom, they have given you a fairer game to play.

[Steveox152]

They took away freedom of players picking a game by implenting Match Making system... :S Less freedom = less joyous

EDIT:

They are NOT ruining the game by using matchmaking at all.....all we want is a revised playlist....matchmaking is 100x better than the old system

[Rackers]

They have not taken your freedom, they have given you a fairer game to play.

Fairer for who? I liked how it was. I understand how things change, but this way doesn't seem to be working.

[Matt58]

Just like everyone else has been suggesting make every gametype selectable on its own and add in PLAYER matches.

[Chacon]

Could someone please explain the differences between public and private? I think that will help us all understand how thinks work now. (it would be awesome if you did it fufu)

Thnx

[Steveox152]

I dont enjoy playing a 1v1 against my friend for 5 matches until 2 other people come in....then if i find a match and invite my friends....the host kicks you out for doing good....this is the best thing they could have ever done

[Steveox152]

Could someone please explain the differences between public and private? I think that will help us all understand how thinks work now. (it would be awesome if you did it fufu)

Thnx


Public matches are Ranked and Player mixed together. There is no reason to have player matches too. They would be the same thing in this game.

Public matches - You can invite your friends and play matches with your friends

Private matches - A private game that you can invite people into as well as play with bots.

[Matt58]

Could someone please explain the differences between public and private? I think that will help us all understand how thinks work now. (it would be awesome if you did it fufu)

Thnx

Private Matches - No one can join unless you, the host, invites them. The host can edit the settings to his or her likings; which map, weapon swaps, rounds, etc.

Player Matches - Games are generated by the matchmaking system (i'd assume) and you can play with your friends and split-screen with a guest. You can get matched up with players other than your friends, hence it being player matches and not private. Player matches also do not count towards your achievements, stats, and rank.

[bshth]

EDIT:

They are NOT ruining the game by using matchmaking at all.....all we want is a revised playlist....matchmaking is 100x better than the old system

well thats what you think :S I think old system is better... but few little changes would be nice... such as host advantage, being able to change settings while in a game, and etc...

[pinchmatt1991]

Fairer for who? I liked how it was. I understand how things change, but this way doesn't seem to be working.

They are helping people have more balanced games and are making sure a suitable host is selected so everyone has a lag free match.

[Rackers]

They are helping people have more balanced games and are making sure a suitable host is selected so everyone has a lag free match.

Not in my experience, every game I've played has had a bad host.

[.Damon]

To the people that want to add player matches. I liked how they worked in Gears 1 but I'm sorry, you're on your own on this one. Epic put in too much work in MM to just throw it away. The most they can do is change playlists around.

[Steveox152]

Not in my experience, every game I've played has had a bad host.


What game were you playing with matchmaking that had a bad host.

Because I have hardly ever had a bad host in COD or Halo

[Matt58]

Public matches are Ranked and Player mixed together. There is no reason to have player matches too. They would be the same thing in this game..

I disagree, in player matches you can play split-screen with a guest and more than 4 of your friends, if you choose. In player matches the achievements would be disabled, stats wouldn't be kept, and rank would not go up or down.

In ranked matches you can only have up to 4 of your friends with you, to prevent boosting, no guest on split-screen, achievements are enabled, stats are counted, and the games count towards your rank.

[bshth]

What game were you playing with matchmaking that had a bad host.

Because I have hardly ever had a bad host in COD or Halo

This is because you live in US... Not many of players in other country could get host who come from same country or at least near the country...

[pinchmatt1991]

Not in my experience, every game I've played has had a bad host.

Then i guess the matchmaking system thought best that someone else should be host. if there were 7 americans in a room and 3 people in europe then the matchmaking system would give a american host as they have proirity in that match. This type of thing will be hapening alot in gears 2 but you may have to stick with it.

[Steveox152]

I disagree, in player matches you can play split-screen with a guest and more than 4 of your friends, if you choose. In player matches the achievements would be disabled, stats wouldn't be kept, and rank would not go up or down.

In ranked matches you can only have up to 4 of your friends with you, to prevent boosting, no guest on split-screen, achievements are enabled, stats are counted, and the games count towards your rank.


Ok but in this game

Achievements are available anywhere even in private matches...you can play in matchmaking with your friends who cares....so you would rather have your stats not count and achievements disabled because thats the only difference....play split screen in private matches with your friends and bots.

[II Tom 1993 II]

I really love this new matchmaking system. Abit Halo-ish (I prefer Gears though) Also I like the way that you have a choice of two maps and you vote for the one you want and also vote for "elimination" and what you want in it eg. warzone, execution ect... gunna be amazing!! :D:D

[Taffer]

I love the new matchmaking system. However, I simply think that each gametype should be a separate playlist. The current playlist setup has 6 playlists, and joeGraf has argued that this was done to make the waiting time in the lobby much shorter (as having more playlists increases wait time), but if each gametype had a playlist then that would merely be 8 playlists.

That's only two more playlists.

I'm curious how much longer you actually have to wait in the lobby if there are two more playlists added to the mix. At the least, I wouldn't mind having Annex and King of the Hill grouped together (making it so that there would only be ONE more playlist).

[Matt58]

To the people that want to add player matches. I liked how they worked in Gears 1 but I'm sorry, you're on your own on this one. Epic put in too much work in MM to just throw it away. The most they can do is change playlists around.

Why can't there still be player matches in Gears 2 with matchmaking? Halo 3 does it nearly perfect. They got it right in giving almost all the players what they wanted: ranked competitive matches, player matches for friends and guests, and private matches to set up clan matches, matches with friends with no interruption from anyone you don't want joining.

[jayp316]

i really dont like the way places can not be filled in if people were able to do so i would be very happy

[.Damon]

Why can't there still be player matches in Gears 2 with matchmaking? Halo 3 does it nearly perfect. They got it right in giving almost all the players what they wanted: ranked competitive matches, player matches for friends and guests, and private matches to set up clan matches, matches with friends with no interruption from anyone you don't want joining.

Oh nevermind. I though you was talking about player matches as in Gears 1 where you search for rooms.

[Matt58]

Ok but in this game

Achievements are available anywhere even in private matches...you can play in matchmaking with your friends who cares....so you would rather have your stats not count and achievements disabled because thats the only difference....play split screen in private matches with your friends and bots.

Are you sure achievements are enabled in private matches? That is kind of dumb as you'll have people boosting for the majority of them.

A big thing about player matches is you can play split-screen with your friends if they come over, or if you are really into your rank, stats, etc. you can let your friends play player matches where it doesn't effect any of that.

Just take a look at Halo 3's multiplayer set-up, now I like Gear' gameplay a lot better than Halo's, but Halo has the best MM/MP set-up out there.

[pinchmatt1991]

Are you sure achievements are enabled in private matches? That is kind of dumb as you'll have people boosting for the majority of them.

A big thing about player matches is you can play split-screen with your friends if they come over, or if you are really into your rank, stats, etc. you can let your friends play player matches where it doesn't effect any of that.

Just take a look at Halo 3's multiplayer set-up, now I like Gear' gameplay a lot better than Halo's, but Halo has the best MM/MP set-up out there.

Bungie create the most flexable and interesting matchmaking system to date, lets just hope epic can expand on their work.

[Rasako]

you can get nearly all the achievements by just playing campaign... probly about 80%

[Matt58]

Bungie create the most flexable and interesting matchmaking system to date, lets just hope epic can expand on their work.

If I was a game developer making a deep online game then I'd be very inspired and influenced by Halo 3 on how to make my MP set-up.

[pinchmatt1991]

If I was a game developer making a deep online game then I'd be very inspired and influenced by Halo 3 on how to make my MP set-up.

Epic mentioned that they were insipired by the halo 3 and COD4 matchmaking systems and said they look very closely at the matchmaking processes.

[XxXx 350 xXxX]

My concers relate the Ranked Vs Public debate that is currently going on in another thread.

Clearly, it seems that over half of the gamers on this forum (which should be taken as a sample of opions for the voice of gamers around the world) would prefer to play a non ranked match for various reasons.

some of these reasons include:

1) the ability to select a game mode/type - Customisation of games and the ability to choose is something critical to gamers without the variables of other people.

2) match lists and the ability to join random games or have randoms drop in and out - This is incredibly important as not all players have an expansive friends list or have friends interested in playing the same game. Private matches aro good but very limited and subject to others being aware that the match is in progress.

3) the ability to split screen with others and randoms - A key component for many gamers/families. Being able to join a full game with your split screener was something that was highly valued in Gears1 player matches.

4) the ability to choose game/host - This is mainly relevant to players outside of the US. Currenlty in Gears 1 you are able to find locally hosted matches through the lists, with the new system your ability to play vs people in your own country is greatly reduced. Whilst we understand that a percentage of lag issues have been fixed. There will always be significant lag when playing from Australia on a US based host (as an example).

As you ask for feedback EPIC, I would be glad to provide a more formal and detialed insight in to what makes the current game great from a non-ranked perspective and as a mature gamer outside of the US.

cheers

[Matt58]

^^ Just include all ranked, player, and private matches to make everyone happy. :)

[bshth]

^^ Just include all ranked, player, and private matches to make everyone happy. :)

That would be awesome :D

[terrandragon]

So, I guess there aren't any special weeks, weekends, or holidays as a playlist with a new type of game mode or some decorated maps. I don't know, that might be a little too much work or not necessary.

[AFKontroller]

I think the Matchmaking system in its current state is very flawed. As mention several times before, all the game modes play too different in order to group them. To be honest, the only gamemodes you could pair up are Annex and KOTH. My idea is a simple one.

Warzone playlist
Execution playlist
Objective playlist = Submission, Guardian
Wingman
Territories = Annex, King of the Hill
Horde

**Players' Choice = Pairs up a lobby which ultimately acts like CoD4's lobby where the people stay the same until they decide to leave and new people join. Players vote on what ever map and game type they want. (I believe this will satisfy all the people whining about not meeting new friends through public matches anymore; also this will be an unranked playlist).**

I really would like to see something like my idea of Player's Choice implemented.

[Matt58]

That would be awesome :D

Yes, yes it would.

[RogueZ Warrior]

pros- play with friends in ranked.

cons- private matches are stupid and player matches are gone.

[AFKontroller]

pros- play with friends in ranked.

cons- private matches are stupid and player matches are gone.

Take a look at the thread I just created. Hopefully my idea will satisfy you ;).

[.Damon]

Some nice ideas in this thread. Hopefully Epic changes this. Warzone and Execution CANNOT be together.

[Chacon]

So basically:

Public: combination of ranked and player

Private: custom games (like Halo 3's)

[Matt58]

So basically:

Public: combination of ranked and player

Private: custom games (like Halo 3's)

I guess so, but it should be split into 3 as: ranked, player, and private matches. In player and private the achievements should be disable and have the ability to have guests.

[MASS Xtortion]

Discuss the perceived pros and cons of the current setup, and offer up suggestions to improve the system.

Fufu, I'd just like to thanks you for making this thread. It's great to see this kind of involvment with the community by you guys.

Pros:
1. Voting system is great for map selection. No time will be wasted loading the map, and having to load another if the original gets vetoed. Keep map voting.

2. Voting for gametypes isn't ideal in my opinion, however it does help seeing what gametypes you could possibly be playing instead of waiting for a veto.

Cons:
1. You simply won't be able to play what you want. If you are seeking a public game of Guardian, you could easily end up playing Warzone/Execution for multiple games until Guardian is both randomly picked and voted for.

2. The above scenario could prove to be so frustrating that the player might end up quitting out until he gets his preferred gametype. Quitting out before the game begins could become common if this isn't changed.


I propose the following changes to matchmaking:

Current setup:
1. Elimination(Warzone/Execution/Guardian)
2. Territories(Annex/King of the Hill/Submission
3. Wingman
4. Horde
5. Players' Choice
6. Flashback Players' Choice

My proposed setup:
1. Warzone
2. Execution
3. Territories(Annex/King of the Hill)
4. Guardian
5. Submission
6. Wingman
7. Horde
8. Flashback(Warzone, Execution, Annex, and possibly Guardian - all Gears 1 gametypes, no weapon cycling to keep it authentic.)

*Annex and King are combined because they are vastly similar. Warzone and Execution are separated since they both have huge fanbases that only want to play that particular gametype. Submission and Guardian are separate because they are so different from any other gametype, but could be combined if population issues arise since they are both symmectrical, respawning objective gametypes.

This setup only adds two playlists, and greatly increases the options that players will have. JoeGraf mentioned in another thread that the small number of playlists was because of population concerns. I'm assuming that Horde doesn't use Trueskill for matchmaking, so this gives us a total of seven Trueskill playlists. Halo 3 also has seven(soon to be eight with the new update), and it's fine as far as population goes. Gears 2 will also have a larger amount of people playing it. There won't be a problem with finding opponents.

Thanks for your time.

EDIT-Added a bit and fixed some typos.

[.Damon]

Please sticky this thread!

[Ik0n]

Multi-team playlist - features Wingman
Execution playlist - features Execution
Warzone Playlist - features Warzone
Team Objective - features Submission and Guardian
Team Territories - features KOTH and Annex
Horde Playlist - features Horde

I really like this idea as well. Warzone and Execution should not be in the same playlist. They both deserve their own.

[Aaron89]

I really like this idea as well. Warzone and Execution should not be in the same playlist. They both deserve their own.

I'm all for it as well. Seems like the best idea to me, unless they want to split it up even more.

Who knows, maybe the matchmaking will turn out better than we think ...

[Andrew Fenix]

I believe that private matches should be made public and anyone can search for them.

However, that would defeat the purpose of matchmaking.

Thanks for the thread fu, I'll add more when I think of something.

[Chacon]

Please sticky this thread!

I second that!

My suggestion of playlists upon game release:
Warzone
Execution
Guardian/Submission (new gametypes, so we can try out both, maybe separate them later)
Wingman
KOTH/Annex (obvious)
Horde

*The flashback maps, as stated by joegraf in another thread, are going to be part of the random map selection when you start matchmaking if all the players have them.

Assuming that most of the players will have the maps:
My suggestion on this is to raise the possibilities of these maps to appear, or make it always: a random flashback map against a random new map, then see which one is chosen through vetoes.

Thnx again for listening to what we have to say! :)

[Switchback]

Fufu, I'd just like to thanks you for making this thread. It's great to see this kind of involvment with the community by you guys.

Pros:
1. Voting system is great for map selection. No time will be wasted loading the map, and having to load another if the original gets vetoed. Keep map voting.

2. Voting for gametypes isn't ideal in my opinion, however it does help seeing what gametypes you could possibly be playing instead of waiting for a veto.

Cons:
1. You simply won't be able to play what you want. If you are seeking a public game of Guardian, you could easily end up playing Warzone/Execution for multiple games until Guardian is both randomly picked and voted for.

2. The above scenario could prove to be so frustrating that the player might end up quitting out until he gets his preferred gametype. Quitting out before the game begins could become common if this isn't changed.


I propose the following changes to matchmaking:

Current setup:
1. Elimination(Warzone/Execution/Guardian)
2. Territories(Annex/King of the Hill/Submission
3. Wingman
4. Horde
5. Players' Choice
6. Flashback Players' Choice

My proposed setup:
1. Warzone
2. Execution
3. Territories(Annex/King of the Hill)
4. Guardian
5. Submission
6. Wingman
7. Horde
8. Flashback(Warzone, Execution, Annex, and possibly Guardian - all Gears 1 gametypes, no weapon cycling to keep it authentic.)

*Annex and King are combined because they are vastly similar. Warzone and Execution are separated since they both have huge fanbases that only want to play that particular gametype. Submission and Guardian are separate because they are so different from any other gametype, but could be combined if population issues arise since they are both symmectrical, respawning objective gametypes.

This setup only adds two playlists, and greatly increases the options that players will have. JoeGraf mentioned in another thread that the small number of playlists was because of population concerns. I'm assuming that Horde doesn't use Trueskill for matchmaking, so this gives us a total of seven Trueskill playlists. Halo 3 also has seven(soon to be eight with the new update), and it's fine as far as population goes. Gears 2 will also have a larger amount of people playing it. There won't be a problem with finding opponents.

Thanks for your time.

EDIT-Added a bit and fixed some typos.

what a ****ing superb post

[.Damon]

The flashback maps, as stated by joegraf in another thread, are going to be part of the random map selection when you start matchmaking if all the players have them.

Can you please post that? Thanks!

[Matt58]

^^Agree..............

[Chacon]

^^Agree..............

3rd Post:
http://forums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=629107

:D

[.Damon]

3rd Post:
http://forums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=629107

:D

Thanks

So then the "Flashback players' choice" really isn't necessary.

[GRAE SKYZ]

A bit of clarification on how voting works in playlists:

Each player gets one vote for one of two gametypes in a particular playlist, if the vote somehow ends in a tie then the third option is selected, or if a third option isn't available it will randomly pick between the two.

A bit of reasoning on why we combined Warzone and Execution (or why less is more):

Matchmaking requires a certain amount of population to support reasonable matchmaking times, and the more we can pool population the quicker players will get into actual games. If it is apparent that the population for both gametypes is sufficiently high then it is quite possible for us to create dedicated playlists, but until that time we're taking the cautious approach which leads to more matches played.

Please note that you can select the specific gametype for private matches at any time. Also keep in mind that it's now simple to play with a full party in public matches, which your party could choose to vote for a specific gametype which would significantly increase the odds of playing the desired gametype.

So, from this explanation, it sounds like everything will be fine as long as we play with a party. :rolleyes:
Yes, players playin with their parties and clans are important. But, how could you diss the millions of players who are playin solo, and socially?
C'mon, EPIC, honestly, I really thought you were better than this. I thought you guys would always keep everyone in mind. I certainly didn't expect this kind of biased setup from you.
The good news is: This is a quick fix. Just separate Execution and Warzone, and let's move on.

[.Damon]

So, from this explanation, it sounds like everything will be fine as long as we play with a party. :rolleyes:
Yes, players playin with their parties and clans are important. But, how could you diss the millions of players who are playin solo, and socially?
C'mon, EPIC, honestly, I really thought you were better than this. I thought you guys would always keep everyone in mind. I certainly didn't expect this kind of biased setup from you.
The good news is: This is a quick fix. Just separate Execution and Warzone, and let's move on.

Agreed. Not everyone is going to be able to play with 4 other people all the time.

[ColeTrainNUMBER83]

exactly like COD4.


EXACTLY

[NUKEY]

It would be very easy to go along with the crowd, and say "seperate" but I disagree to some degree. Adding in the feature to vote on the three catagories (Warzone ew, Execution, and Guardian) instead of "2/3" would change everything. Anyways, after the first month or two of gameplay, as "JoeGraf" stated the backend servers will store stats of the percents of game type playlist played... they maybe (yes) will switch them around.




-K-

[Chacon]

Thanks

So then the "Flashback players' choice" really isn't necessary.

Exactly!
If, let's say 90% of the people that buy Gears of War 2 will buy a new copy (meaning they'll have the flashback maps), then this playlist is not that important, though I guess many people would like to just play some Gears 1 maps every once in a while.

I guess we all agree that the biggest problem is that Warzone and Execution are in the same playlist.
So one simple/quick solution would be to just separate them
:)

[NUKEY]

I assume for "public" the bleed out time is (five seconds?) for Execution? If not /rolls eyes


-K-

[.Damon]

I assume for "public" the bleed out time is (five seconds?) for Execution? If not /rolls eyes


-K-

I doubt it.. Because that means it would have to be 5 for warzone and you'll die before your team mates can get to you. Probably like 10 or 20.

[NUKEY]

Third, we'll track game stats on our backend servers and then take action on our playlists as we deem best for the game.



-K-

I assume for "public" the bleed out time is (five seconds?) for Execution? If not /rolls eyes

[Static haVoc]

I think this has been said before, but this is how i think the playlists should be.

Warzone - Warzone
Execution - Execution
Objective - Submission, Guardian
Territories - Annex, KOTH
Horde - Horde
Wingman - Wingman
Throwback - All gametypes?

I think there is definately enough of a following for warzone and execution for them to stand alone. I would even think there would be more people playing Warzone OR Execution at any given time than Annex and KOTH

[NUKEY]

I doubt it.. Because that means it would have to be 5 for warzone and you'll die before your team mates can get to you. Probably like 10 or 20.

No point in playing Execution if the bleed out is more than five seconds, this is why people play Execution.... Anything more.. is just Warzone.. (basically)
(I'll go watch one of those videos by that AK guy and see what it says.)
-K-

[Static haVoc]

No point in playing Execution if the bleed out is more than five seconds, this is why people play Execution.... Anything more.. is just Warzone.. (basically)
(I'll go watch one of those videos by that AK guy and see what it says.)
-K-

i disagree, i love playing execution with 30 second bleedout.

[.Damon]

No point in playing Execution if the bleed out is more than five seconds, this is why people play Execution.... Anything more.. is just Warzone.. (basically)
(I'll go watch one of those videos by that AK guy and see what it says.)
-K-

Competitive gears Execution is played with 30 second bleedout and it works out fine. It's not about how long you have to wait before getting up.. it's about being safe where you can't get shot from a distance and force your enemies to come to you. That forces your team mates to provide cover fire and/or come pick you up.

[NUKEY]

Bummer.. checked a video.. search "Gears of War 2 Ranked Gameplay | Execution on Stasis" 6:25.... COG is downed... ten + seconds goes by still down and crawling away...

So sad..
: (

-K-

[.Damon]

Bummer.. checked a video.. search "Gears of War 2 Ranked Gameplay | Execution on Stasis" 6:25.... COG is downed... ten + seconds goes by still down and crawling away...

So sad..
: (

-K-

That's perfect. Execution is not supposed to be a game mode of "quick" second chances. It's supposed to take teamwork.

[NUKEY]

Competitive gears Execution is played with 30 second bleedout and it works out fine. It's not about how long you have to wait before getting up.. it's about being safe where you can't get shot from a distance and force your enemies to come to you. That forces your team mates to provide cover fire and/or come pick you up.

Heh.. I hate to throw MLG.. and my ranking & kills out there, because I knew this would come up.... so I'll attempt to avoid it. (hardcore mlg player).

I just assumed, because 99.9% of ranked execution was 19 rounds, 1 min timer Raven Down 5 second bleed out that is how it would be is all.
Hate to get off topic, so attempting to make this short as possible.
YES MLG IS 30 seconds, no you will never get up in a 5V5 Execution match with double team stack players on both sides with anything more than a five second bleed out.
*Besides the fact you can be "gunned" ex: lancered out across map on Warzone.. please tell me the difference between "30 second downs" VS. Warzone. and yes, I obviously know the difference I'm asking in general as a base not the bleed out differences.

[Archah00d01]

Re-inputting my input. I'm in a voting mood, just voted for the first time this weekend :D.
Thanks Fufu.

I'm a bit up in the air on this one, but the matchmaking seems odd, not sure if I like it. Was always nice choosing what maps and game modes to play, but now I believe we are forced into random maps/modes :confused:.

No, you can choose which map and your weapons you play on. I saw it on a video that ws posted on here. Unless the dude was in a private match or something. But I love how the blood and parts that go all over when a person blows up.

[.Damon]

Heh.. I hate to throw MLG.. and my ranking & kills out there, because I knew this would come up.... so I'll attempt to avoid it. (hardcore mlg player).

I just assumed, because 99.9% of ranked execution was 19 rounds, 1 min timer Raven Down 5 second bleed out that is how it would be is all.
Hate to get off topic, so attempting to make this short as possible.
YES MLG IS 30 seconds, no you will never get up in a 5V5 Execution match with double team stack players on both sides with anything more than a five second bleed out.

How do you know that you will never be able to get up? Execution is supposed to be a game mode of close combat that forces you to walk up to the downed enemies and kill them. If the team of the downed enemy is working as a team they can shoot at anyone who tries to go for the kill and revive the guy who's down.

Now with the crawling system it makes it more strategic. Downed people can hide or get closer to their team mates so that they can get revived.

Notice how I said "revived," not get up on their own.

[KrazyAce]

I'm fine with the matchmaking as it is.

If anyone needs me to go down to epic and set em straight i'd be happy to ;) lol. I live like 10 min away from it.

[NUKEY]

How do you know that you will never be able to get up? Execution is supposed to be a game mode of close combat that forces you to walk up to the downed enemies and kill them.

Tell me one time, that in two years of Gears of War you ended up in a ranked execution game with a bleed out of more than five seconds, that you can count on one hand.

I Can't.


20k++ kills later...

-K-

[.Damon]

Tell me one time, that in two years of Gears of War you ended up in a ranked execution game with a bleed out of more than five seconds, that you can count on one hand.

I Can't.


20k++ kills later...

-K-


You're talking on behalf of the "ranked" Execution. I'm talking about "competitive" Execution. They are different. But now in Gears 2 since you can play with your friends I believe people will use more teamwork in Execution rather than just being on their own.

Now you have to worry about your friends.. If you let your friends die or don't try to help them they are going to say something like "dude, what are you doing, why didn't you try to help me?" It's different when a "friend" says it to you than just a random person you just met.

[MASS Xtortion]

How do you know that you will never be able to get up? Execution is supposed to be a game mode of close combat that forces you to walk up to the downed enemies and kill them. If the team of the downed enemy is working as a team they can shoot at anyone who tries to go for the kill and revive the guy who's down.

Now with the crawling system it makes it more strategic. Downed people can hide or get closer to their team mates so that they can get revived.

Notice how I said "revived," not get up on their own.

And all of that is lost with 5 second bleeds. It doesn't take any teamwork if you just get up in 5 seconds regardless. At least with 20+, you need to rely on your teammates to 1. Protect you and 2. Revive you.


But that's off topic, so here is a relevant reply...To whoever combined Submission and Guardian into one playlist. I would much rather see them separated, as both will play very differently and will require a shift in tactics. There will be a big enough population to support both.

[remote]

Just a quick question but what happened to the idea that there would be bots to take over if anyone quit out mid game. Or even replacing quitters with a new player who's searching for a match? (same idea as cod). This new matchmaking setup has people quitting all over the place and it's just not fun. Seriously I've yet to play a full length game where nobody quit out!:(:(.

[Chacon]

Please get back on topic this is important

[Elkhawg]

I'm fine with the matchmaking as it is.

If anyone needs me to go down to epic and set em straight i'd be happy to ;) lol. I live like 10 min away from it.

Cool, have you ever been there.

[.Damon]

And all of that is lost with 5 second bleeds. It doesn't take any teamwork if you just get up in 5 seconds regardless. At least with 20+, you need to rely on your teammates to 1. Protect you and 2. Revive you.


But that's off topic, so here is a relevant reply...To whoever combined Submission and Guardian into one playlist. I would much rather see them separated, as both will play very differently and will require a shift in tactics. There will be a big enough population to support both.

That's exactly what I'm trying to explain.

I also feel the same way about submission and guardian being together. I think they should be separate. But first they need to separate warzone and execution.

[.Damon]

Just a quick question but what happened to the idea that there would be bots to take over if anyone quit out mid game. Or even replacing quitters with a new playing who's searching for a match? (same idea as cod). This new matchmaking setup has people quitting all over the place and it's just not fun. Seriously I've yet to play a full length game where nobody quit out!:(:(.

Bots will not replace people who quit in matchmaking.

[KrazyAce]

Cool, have you ever been there.

I've drove by it plenty of times. My dad goes in there for his job sometimes too, he works for a temp agency and gives them a lot of their new employees. I might see if they have a tour, check out the building, it's REALLY nice on the outside.

I saw Cliffy's lambo a few times lol. It soooooo cool. It's like the only one in the whole city so you know its him. I saw it in the parking lot a few times too.

[remote]

Bots will not replace people who quit in matchmaking.yeah I know I've been playing it for the last 2 nights. But quitters aren't even replaced with other players who are looking for a match. It makes the multiplayer really crap. It always ends up 2v5 etc because people are pissed with the new matchmaking system.

[.Damon]

It always ends up 2v5 etc because people are pissed with the new matchmaking system.

This is going to happen a lot when players don't get the mode they want. That's why they need to change it.

Anyways, back on topic.

[remote]

This is going to happen a lot when players don't get the mode they want. That's why they need to change it.

Anyways, back on topic.I am on topic! :mad:. Quitters are a direct result of this stupid matchmaking system!.

[.Damon]

I am on topic! :mad:. Quitters are a direct result of this stupid matchmaking system!.

Sorry.. I guess I was talking about myself since I was having a Execution discussion.

I agree with you, there WILL be more quitters.

[beaner_06]

Multi-team playlist - features Wingman
Execution playlist - features Execution
Warzone Playlist - features Warzone
Team Objective - features Submission and Guardian
Team Territories - features KOTH and Annex
Horde Playlist - features Horde

end of story

[remote]

Sorry.. I guess I was talking about myself since I was having a Execution discussion.

I agree with you, there WILL be more quitters.No worries, I'm just pissed that the new setup is making the game near enough unplayable. There should be a playlist for warzone and a playlist for execution, it's as simple as that.

[GRAE SKYZ]

Competitive gears Execution is played with 30 second bleedout and it works out fine. It's not about how long you have to wait before getting up.. it's about being safe where you can't get shot from a distance and force your enemies to come to you. That forces your team mates to provide cover fire and/or come pick you up.

I highly disagree with this. What makes execution so fun is having bleedout at 5 seconds. That gives your opponent the ability to get up quickly, and the game continues. Why have bleedout at 30 sec.? Might as well play Warzone (not that there's anything wrong with that :p). I'm sure alot more people quit in Warzone, because after you're downed, you pretty much know that's game over.
Execution, IMO, is just more exciting, because it's NOT over so quickly. Some games last a long time in Execution, and end very different than one might expect. There's a bit more unpredictability. It just adds alot more to the game. Warzone is boring. More realistic, but boring.

[.Damon]

I highly disagree with this. What makes execution so fun is having bleedout at 5 seconds. That gives your opponent the ability to get up quickly, and the game continues. Why have bleedout at 30 sec.? Might as well play Warzone (not that there's anything wrong with that :p). I'm sure alot more people quit in Warzone, because after you're downed, you pretty much know that's game over.
Execution, IMO, is just more exciting, because it's NOT over so quickly. Some games last a long time in Execution, and end very different than one might expect. There's a bit more unpredictability. It just adds alot more to the game. Warzone is boring. More realistic, but boring.

Well that's your opinion. I would give you a long essay right now saying why I think you're wrong. But I want to stay on topic.

[KhAoZx]

How long are these threads going to go on???

There is this thing called players choice....a group of 10 people vote on a gametype and if you have a full party, thats 5 people already in your favor...so if u just play that u will get whatever gametype u want almost everytime...can we please just stop the *****ing and move on with our lives....u havnt even played the game yet and all u god dam ignorant people are complaining about stuff you know NOTHING about....they will fix alot of the problems but matchmaking isnt one of them and u need to get over it.....GoW2 will be an amazing game and thats all that matters

[GRAE SKYZ]

Well that's your opinion. I would give you a long essay right now saying why I think you're wrong. But I want to stay on topic.

Okay, well, I don't understand how a long essay is possible.
Truth: If you down someone, and there's a 30 sec. bleedout, that's plenty of time to get to them-that's Warzone. You know you're not goin to leave them there for their teammates to rescue. Your goin to rush right over to them and kill them-that's Warzone.

Am I wrong?

[.Damon]

How long are these threads going to go on???

There is this thing called players choice....a group of 10 people vote on a gametype and if you have a full party, thats 5 people already in your favor...so if u just play that u will get whatever gametype u want almost everytime...can we please just stop the *****ing and move on with our lives....u havnt even played the game yet and all u god dam ignorant people are complaining about stuff you know NOTHING about....they will fix alot of the problems but matchmaking isnt one of them and u need to get over it.....GoW2 will be an amazing game and thats all that matters

Lets see.. I don't even know where to start.

First off all. Players' choice lowers your chances of playing exactly what you want since it's just all 6 game modes and the game randomly picks two. Also notice that you said IF you have a full party. Not everyone is going to have 4 other people to play with.. And even IF you have 5 people in your party if you choose another playlist there is only a 33% chance you will get the mode you want.

How can you say we know NOTHING about it? What is there to know when you KNOW if you prefer warzone or execution?

This is a topic that is going to go on forever until Epic fixes it.. So stop coming in here calling people ignorant when in FACT, you're the ignorant one.

[GRAE SKYZ]

How long are these threads going to go on???

There is this thing called players choice....a group of 10 people vote on a gametype and if you have a full party, thats 5 people already in your favor...so if u just play that u will get whatever gametype u want almost everytime...

What about if you don't have a full party....or even a partial party? What about if you have no party at all?






Owned.

[Les Playcool]

This post is directly to fufu [or any other Epic employee working on GOW2's matchmaking for that matter]:

I understand the reasoning behind making Warzone and Execution one playlist. It makes sense, to make matchmaking faster. However, Warzone and Execution are probably going to be the most played gametypes [this is speculation]. Even if it is not, you have to put into consideration that Gears of War 2 is probably going to be one of the top played Xbox360 titles for a long time. Gears of War has consistently been roughly the #4 most played game on Xbox Live for almost over a year.

With that being said, it would be a lot better for the player's to have Warzone and Execution to be separate. As many other members have stated, some people absolutely detest Execution, and love Warzone, and vica versa. Making them play a certain gametype that they do not want to play isn't exactly what I would consider an "optimal matchmaking experience". Whether or not there is a voting system does not make it better for the players. Some will want Execution, others will want Warzone.

My personal playlist set up would be as follows:


Warzone - Warzone
Execution - Execution
Guardian - Guardian
Team Objective - Annex, King of the Hill
Submission - Submission
Multi Team - Wingman
Horde - Horde


I don't care what the playlists are called, as long as they separate the gametypes properly. [Annex and King of the Hill should also be separated, but I believe those will be less played than the others by far, and may need to be grouped] Above all, Warzone and Execution NEED to be separated!

This is just my personal input, but I believe it should be taken under consideration. You guys might even have time to fix it before launch, assuming Microsoft can allow you to put out an update before the game is officially released.

[NUKEY]

Well that's your opinion. I would give you a long essay right now saying why I think you're wrong. But I want to stay on topic.

Same, but I was debating the idea of "Ranked" execution, while you were discussing "Competitive" execution, that is a stalemate argument. XD To be a stickler though, you would consider public matches" ranked now."

Regardless, I'm guessing the downtime is either A. changeable (not likely) or B. 20-30 seconds.
This is also on topic, as it relates to how to "match making system" works.


-K-

[Les Playcool]

Also, to you two having your little execution discussion, there are some new things you should put into consideration. First off, the bleed out should not be five. It should be ten, if you ask me. GOW2 is a lot more tactical than GOW. It might take a bit longer to get to your opponent, so I think you would need that additional time. Besides, with 10 seconds, you get time to actually USE the crawling feature. And I've played my fair share of Execution, 10k+ kills in GOW's Execution.

On a side note, while I think for GOW, the best time for matches is 3 minutes, I think it should be around 4. 5 at most - mainly because its 10 players now, not 8.

[USRangerJohn]

This post is directly to fufu [or any other Epic employee working on GOW2's matchmaking for that matter]:

I understand the reasoning behind making Warzone and Execution one playlist. It makes sense, to make matchmaking faster. However, Warzone and Execution are probably going to be the most played gametypes [this is speculation]. Even if it is not, you have to put into consideration that Gears of War 2 is probably going to be one of the top played Xbox360 titles for a long time. Gears of War has consistently been roughly the #4 most played game on Xbox Live for almost over a year.

With that being said, it would be a lot better for the player's to have Warzone and Execution to be separate. As many other members have stated, some people absolutely detest Execution, and love Warzone, and vica versa. Making them play a certain gametype that they do not want to play isn't exactly what I would consider an "optimal matchmaking experience". Whether or not there is a voting system does not make it better for the players. Some will want Execution, others will want Warzone.

My personal playlist set up would be as follows:


Warzone - Warzone
Execution - Execution
Guardian - Guardian
Team Objective - Annex, King of the Hill
Submission - Submission
Multi Team - Wingman
Horde - Horde


I don't care what the playlists are called, as long as they separate the gametypes properly. [Annex and King of the Hill should also be separated, but I believe those will be less played than the others by far, and may need to be grouped] Above all, Warzone and Execution NEED to be separated!

This is just my personal input, but I believe it should be taken under consideration. You guys might even have time to fix it before launch, assuming Microsoft can allow you to put out an update before the game is officially released.

Honestly I believe everything should be able to be chosen by the player, gametype and map but I guess that just isnt going to happen. Still the gametypes should be seperated. I do not like Warzone and other do not like execution. Ultimately they should be seperate simply because of the different tactics involved with them. Maybe EPIC should patch this on day one or patch it soon so that it will not ruin peoples playing.

[.Damon]

Ranger, they don't need to patch it. They can change it right now if they wanted.

[NUKEY]

On a side note, while I think for GOW, the best time for matches is 3 minutes, I think it should be around 4. 5 at most - mainly because its 10 players now, not 8.

I'll even agree with you saying 10 is fair, now that is it more team based ( depending on your friends =P, didn't change anything though for people who Team Stack with host <3 in GOW.) After searching the youtube videos and watching the clock ticker, I believe is it well over 15-30 seconds. ; ;

-K-


I'll bet a copy of LE GOW2 they will change up the match making system in the first three months.

[GRAE SKYZ]

Also, to you two having your little execution discussion, there are some new things you should put into consideration. First off, the bleed out should not be five. It should be ten, if you ask me. GOW2 is a lot more tactical than GOW. It might take a bit longer to get to your opponent, so I think you would need that additional time. Besides, with 10 seconds, you get time to actually USE the crawling feature. And I've played my fair share of Execution, 10k+ kills in GOW's Execution.

On a side note, while I think for GOW, the best time for matches is 3 minutes, I think it should be around 4. 5 at most - mainly because its 10 players now, not 8.

No, no, no....I was commenting on Execution in GOW 1. Really wasn't thinking of GOW 2. I just went off topic a bit.

You're right, though, about GOW 2 Execution perhaps needin longer bleedout times. The maps are bigger.

[BingoFuel]

Call of Duty 4 has every game mode separated into different matchmaking channels, and while some of the lesser-played modes do take longer to find players, it's really not that bad. I'm sure Gears players would gladly wait an extra 10-20 seconds to get into a game mode that they want.

[GeordiLaforge]

I think the players choice option will allow players to come close to picking what they want, while keeping a little diversity and switching things up every once and a while.

[GRAE SKYZ]

I just don't understand the logic of forcing players to play a certain gametype. Dosen't EPIC know the customer is always right. If more players prefer Execution, then, if anything, it should be made easier to find other players for Execution. Instead, now it could be possibly harder, because of all of the Warzone players votes included as well. Players shouldn't be penalized for liking a certain gametype. Actually, that's contradictory to even having a gametype. It's contradictory to even making a game in the first place. Why make such an awesome gametype, but penalize those who prefer to play it? :confused:

[.Damon]

I just don't understand the logic of forcing players to play a certain gametype. Dosen't EPIC know the customer is always right. If more players prefer Execution, then, if anything, it should be made easier to find other players for Execution. Instead, now it could be possibly harder, because of all of the Warzone players votes included as well. Players shouldn't be penalized for liking a certain gametype. Actually, that's contradictory to even having a gametype. It's contradictory to even making a game in the first place. Why make such an awesome gametype, but penalize those who prefer to play it? :confused:

I agree

They will change their playlists and separate the two. It's only a matter of time.

[Les Playcool]

I just don't understand the logic of forcing players to play a certain gametype. Dosen't EPIC know the customer is always right. If more players prefer Execution, then, if anything, it should be made easier to find other players for Execution. Instead, now it could be possibly harder, because of all of the Warzone players votes included as well. Players shouldn't be penalized for liking a certain gametype. Actually, that's contradictory to even having a gametype. It's contradictory to even making a game in the first place. Why make such an awesome gametype, but penalize those who prefer to play it? :confused:

True. In GOW I preferred Execution because I was playing with strangers that I can't trust as a team.

However, in player matches, I constantly played Warzone because I can trust my teammates (my frineds) and we work well together as a group.

Needs to be separated.

[Steveox152]

Everything is gonna turn out fine....I think they will change them around after release but it wont be on day one

[.Damon]

Everything is gonna turn out fine....I think they will change them around after release but it wont be on day one

I think they need to change it in the first week. A LOT of people play popular games like this for the first couple of days and sometimes weeks and then they start going to other games. Just like when GTA IV and Halo 3 came out.. EVERYONE on my list was playing.. I'm talking about 45+.. I'll go down the list and it's the same game. So when they play Gears 2 if they get the impression that the matchmaking is set up bad, they might not come back.. That's just bad for the reputation of the game, Epic, and the community.

[dan91easton]

Here's my suggested playlists:

Idea 1

Warzone
Execution
Multi-Team- Wingman
Team Skirmish/Objective - Guardian, Submission
Territory Wars - Annex/King of the Hill
Horde
FlashBack?

Idea 2
Warzone
Execution
Wingman
Guardian
Submission
Annex
King of the Hill
Horde
Flashback

Idea 3
Warzone
Execution
Team Skirmish - Annex, KOTH, Guardian, Submission
Multi-Team - Wingman
Horde
Flashback


To FuFu, I disagree with the wait times. I know you guys are trying to predict what might happen if you SPLIT up the gametypes, but rest assured, splitting up Warzone and Execution should be the top priority since those two will probably the most popular, and Wingman being next. Horde will probably be up there too. But with Guardian, Submission, KOTH, and Annex, these could be combined into pairs making two separate playlists like I have in Idea 1.

Hope that helps. Thanks for making the thread. It's nice to see you guys actually create a thread like this for a change. STICKY IT!!

[UofA Headshot]

I will be happy if warzone and execution have their own playlists. :)

[EE Shadow]

I think if people are forced to play warzone instead of execution or vice-versa its going to turn alot of people off, specially the first week, they wont be no wait times even if you had 20playlist.

[ChKn McStu]

I don't really have a preference, so this matchmaking doesn't bother me. But, whatever is best for the community works for me.

[.Damon]

I don't really have a preference, so this matchmaking doesn't bother me. But, whatever is best for the community works for me.

See this is a good poster.. Doesn't only think about himself.

[BingoFuel]

See this is a good poster.. Doesn't only think about himself.

While that is admirable, there is a difference between being selfish and voicing a concern or complaint you have with a game. Obviously, with as many people chiming in with relatively the same opinion in this thread, this is an issue that a large percentage of the fanbase has.

[Killzone729]

A bit of clarification on how voting works in playlists:

Each player gets one vote for one of two gametypes in a particular playlist, if the vote somehow ends in a tie then the third option is selected, or if a third option isn't available it will randomly pick between the two.

A bit of reasoning on why we combined Warzone and Execution (or why less is more):

Matchmaking requires a certain amount of population to support reasonable matchmaking times, and the more we can pool population the quicker players will get into actual games. If it is apparent that the population for both gametypes is sufficiently high then it is quite possible for us to create dedicated playlists, but until that time we're taking the cautious approach which leads to more matches played.

Please note that you can select the specific gametype for private matches at any time. Also keep in mind that it's now simple to play with a full party in public matches, which your party could choose to vote for a specific gametype which would significantly increase the odds of playing the desired gametype.

That explains so much and makes me understand why you guys did it this way...

[Killzone729]

A couple ideas just popped into my head...

1. Maybe the separations should start with the maps... 3 options

1. New maps
2. Flashback maps
3. All maps

This way gridlock won't overrule the damn game... Then go into gametype

Warzone
Execution
Annex+KOTH (i think just two in a group is fair cause its 50/50)
Wingman
Guardian+Submission
Horde

In the playlists with two choices I also feel that perhaps if enough players voted "say 4 or 5" for one type then they should alter them if the players stay in the room... so pretty much like the weapons get swapped in each round the gametype will get swapped each new map... (idk i think its a decent idea)

And I hope that the maps aren't the same ones all the time... so like gridlock isn't the third map always if there is a tie... and i hope all the maps will appear in the first place in an even amount... i dont want to hate a level within an hour of online cause ive played it a million times....

My second idea was for wingman maybe make a new gametype called Trio or something... since we have all these playlist names like Multi-team i figure i would throw ideas for the gametypes they could make to add in there... a special name for just one gametype seems pointless... heres some ideas.

Gametype: Trio -In other words 3 teams of 3.

The more i thought about this, the more i thought about mixing gametypes! so like if they made a "trio" gametype as mentioned above they could add in submission... so its three teams of three all trying to capture a flag (stranded).

they could do so many things...
examples:
Wingman+annex
Guardian+KOTH
It could get extremely tense...

What about multi-annex??????? that would be interesting... this would most likely work with wingman...

Just one question for EPIC, how come we havent seen a respawn mode where you get a certain amount of lives? You could call it elimination... each player gets 3 lives and let us go at it?.. (this is teambased of course) you could mix in the wingman aspect to this to make it crazy :D and if your buddy runs out of lives maybe he can have one of yours.... OMG SO MANY IDEAS!!!! BRAIN MALFUNCTIONING!!! :D

[Macauley]

I think voting works well, no search preferances (local search) doesn't.

This will ruin Gears Matchmaking to a point. If something is done really quickly, it'll suck for half the gaming population.

[General Anubis]

I sort of (emphasis on "sort of") understand Epic's reasoning for grouping Warzone and Execution - and chances are, they'll realize that both playlists have a sufficient amount of players to keep waiting times at a minimum.

However, the reasoning for putting "Guardian" within Elimination is crazy. It's nothing like Warzone or Execution, at all.

Hopefully, things will change shortly after release. Until then, I still know I'll have a blast playing this game.

I have to say, I agree with Aaron here...

What EPIC should do is take Guardian out of the Execution/Warzone playlist, and put it into Objectives. I won't switching up between the two every once in a while, as long as I get to play my favorite the majority (Like... 80 - 90% of the time).

I personally prefer Warzone, but I know I'll have a team that is full on 5 for Warzone with the voting... At least with this, if we go against a team that is full on 5 for Execution, we'll get a random split between Warzone and Execution (IF Guardian is removed).

However, if Guardian is kept in, then every time we get a full Execution team and we go full Warzone, it's going to force us into Guardian, which likely neither team wants to play. And also, one of the teams will get screwed over when it comes up Guardian/Execution or Warzone... Unless we agree to force a tie to get the playlist that wasn't on the list.

Frankly, it sounds like too much work to get to play either Warzone or Execution (whichever is your preference) nearly every time, but allowing a few games being the other gametype (Exec/Warzone) that you don't prefer. So, this leads me back to saying Guardian definitely needs to be removed from this playlist. (and hey Fufu, this would be a change that doesn't require creating a new playlist.... so no real need to test and see for sufficient players).

So, the new setup would look something like:

Elimination: .........................[Warzone / Execution] - Split later after determining demand.
Multi-Team: .........................[Wingman]
Objective:............................ [Guardian / Submission] - Maybe split, if the demand is sufficient.
Skirmish:............................. [KotH / Annex] - Possible to split, but later after demand is heard.
Horde:................................. [Horde] - Obvious.
Flashback/Player's Choice:.. [DLC]

This would be a pretty well balanced MM list to select from with possibility to expand. Also, I think the "Player's Choice" playlist is pointless, and should be merged into the Flashback Player's Choice, to create a fully Downloadable-Content-Only playlist, rather than a mixed back, potluck playlist.

That's just 6 playlists, including the player's choice selection that most people tend to exclude from the count - This would be an increase in players per playlist, easily doable as I see it :).

Thank's for hearing your fans Epic :)

[AvatarofKhorne]

Why did Epic choose to use matchmaking rather than the existing Gears 1 system? Or why not use a combination of the two? i.e. you can use matchmaking to find you a game or you can select a game that has one or more empty slots to join. This way, you wouldn't have to risk being put in a laggy game and suffer the penalty for quitting.

What is the penalty for quitting, by the way?

[Sam 360i]

does any one now if guests can be taken into online multiplayer or if they have to uses a gamertag or you just cant have guests???

[Blackop Elite]

Multi-team playlist - features Wingman
Execution playlist - features Execution
Warzone Playlist - features Warzone
Team Objective - features Submission and Guardian
Team Territories - features KOTH and Annex
Horde Playlist - features Horde

^ Dan's new idea is what I like best. ^

It moves Submission from "Objective" and Guardian from "Elimination" into a new one, and separates Warzone and Execution.


Yes I like this also what they don't seem to understand is the riff between players that like warzone and players that like execution. Not to many like both equally, like me all I play is execution, but I have friends that only like warzone their just 2 different to put into 1 group!!!

[sebastian9isback]

Warzone and Execution are by far the most popular gametypes. Seperate the two please.

[ChKn McStu]

I don't think there will be a popular problem with Warzone and Execution considering they are the core base of the game and will be played the most. You still find matches easy in those two even after two years and the match styles Gears of War 1 had.

[UofA Headshot]

does any one now if guests can be taken into online multiplayer or if they have to uses a gamertag or you just cant have guests???

Good question. It sounds as if guests can only play in private matches which would actually suck (I don't know for a fact). I hope EPIC makes player matches along with the ranked matches.

[< Profess >]

Surely you should just keep map voting, but be able to choose gametype and dispense with all this playlist grouping balls? It's better because it works, people will be playing what they want.

Grouping fails to achieve that, but fails very quickly.

"There are three ways to do things, the right way,
the wrong way and the the max power way..."

[Aveelo]

current setup is too nice :)

[SHOGUN_1]

Keeping the host unknown was a great idea. I can only agree on that you should

keep the play types seperated.

[UofA Headshot]

I also agree that the playlists should be changed before the game is released. Like another poster stated, first impressions are important. The sole reason I stopped playing halo 3 after 2 weeks was being forced to play shotty snipers and other playlists I did not like.

[Imortalfalcon]

I also agree that the playlists should be changed before the game is released. Like another poster stated, first impressions are important. The sole reason I stopped playing halo 3 after 2 weeks was being forced to play shotty snipers and other playlists I did not like.

That is exactly why I stopped playing Halo 3 too. It's sad how many times shotty/snipers shows up. . . :confused:.

[Steveox152]

Good question. It sounds as if guests can only play in private matches which would actually suck (I don't know for a fact). I hope EPIC makes player matches along with the ranked matches.

There are No player matches and there are NO ranked matches....there are only Public Matches

[EpiKooL]

fufu i just want to say I wanna have your babies. Secondly I love almost everything about the new game EXCEPT for the matchmaking. For ME at least I'd prefer to have game types Warzone and Execution be on a separate list or like D4RKERTH4NBL4CK's playlist suggestion. If that requires getting rid of the vote for the maps, I don't care. I'd rather be able to pick my own game type than pick the map. so PLEASSESESESEEEEE <3

edit: from a previous post
1. Warzone
2. Execution
3. Territories(Annex/King of the Hill)
4. Guardian
5. Submission
6. Wingman
7. Horde

Best Playlist!

[pinchmatt1991]

There are No player matches and there are NO ranked matches....there are only Public Matches

And private matches.

[fufu]

Would a playlist dedicated to Execution be enough to appease the masses, or are there hardcore Warzone players out there who absolutely detest Execution?

[WaldoRtk7]

Would a playlist dedicated to Execution be enough to appease the masses, or are there hardcore Warzone players out there who absolutely detest Execution?

I actually detest Execution, but I haven't been reading up on this. I prefer to have more risks involved when I play, hence why I support Warzone.

[EpiKooL]

Fufu, I understand what you guys at EPIC are trying to do and i applaud you guys for it, but like many posts on this topic. There is like a huge cultish group to Warzone and Execution. I myself am a Warzone kind of guy and want to play only Warzone.

If you look at all the complaints and suggestions it's 95% for the separation of Warzone and Execution.

edit: also to be completely honest, I DON'T want to play the guardian mode.

[x2NYCEx]

the MM voting is a great idea. But I have to say that like some others I prefer Execution over Warzone. I don't mind trying out the new MM, maybe I will love it. After the game is released amendments should be made if necessary.
PS - ty for hearing us out Epic

[DUBL DUECE]

I agree a seperate list for Warzone and Execution, I play mostly Warzone and would like to stay in that list without other gametypes coming up.

[BCRichM13]

Would a playlist dedicated to Execution be enough to appease the masses, or are there hardcore Warzone players out there who absolutely detest Execution?

I doubt it but I'm in love execution anyway and it's the only gametype I basically played in Gears, so I will be satisfied however Warzone fans will not be :p.

On another note the other gametypes will kick a$$! :]

[Officer Green]

Am I the only one here who wants to at the very least try the new matchmaking system that Epic incorpoarated into Gears of War 2 and see how it actually works and pans out? It seems like everyone is shooting it down and calling foul before they even get to try it. The reason why I am liking it at this point is because it shakes things up a bit and creates variety.

[EpiKooL]

Am I the only one here who wants to at the very least try the new matchmaking system that Epic incorpoarated into Gears of War 2 and see how it actually works and pans out? It seems like everyone is shooting it down and calling foul before they even get to try it. The reason why I am liking it at this point is because it shakes things up a bit and creates variety.

I don't think you're the only one, though I'm not one of them haha. I guess the more casual gamers won't mind this too much, but as you can tell amongst the die hard fanboys of gears of war theres another sub tree of fanboyism. The Warzone fanboys and the Execution fanboys. It's just hard for a Warzonee to enjoy Execution and vise versa. While others may love Execution, I don't.

[Blackop Elite]

Am I the only one here who wants to at the very least try the new matchmaking system that Epic incorpoarated into Gears of War 2 and see how it actually works and pans out? It seems like everyone is shooting it down and calling foul before they even get to try it. The reason why I am liking it at this point is because it shakes things up a bit and creates variety.

Were not shooting it down by anymeans we just want a seperation between warzone and execution everything else looks amazing! MM will work great we just need 2 groups for those 2 game modes.

[Officer Green]

I don't think you're the only one, though I'm not one of them haha. I guess the more casual gamers won't mind this too much, but as you can tell amongst the die hard fanboys of gears of war theres another sub tree of fanboyism. The Warzone fanboys and the Execution fanboys. It's just hard for a Warzonee to enjoy Execution and vise versa. While others may love Execution, I don't.

I don't like being shoved into the "casual" crockpot. If anyone is truly a hardcore gamer, then they should be able to adapt and learn how to play both modes efficiently.

[entrepreneur724]

No joke. You hit this right on Officer Green. If you are really a gamer, stop your griping and learn to play the new game as it is.

P.S. It's not even out yet.

[WaldoRtk7]

I don't like being shoved into the "casual" crockpot. If anyone is truly a hardcore gamer, then they should be able to adapt and learn how to play both modes efficiently.

I can play both, but I really prefer Warzone, I like playing with more risks, execution in my opinion has less. I wouldn't have a problem playing them both together but I know for a fact you play Warzone a lot different from Execution.

[oRussello]

I think some people are over reacting, the current setup sounds fine to me, i dont find a big difference in playing warzone and execution anyways. I find it fine as it is.
The only difference i think should be made is to have execution and warzone on there own MAYBE to please others.

my 2 cents

[Trickery]

I don't like being shoved into the "casual" crockpot. If anyone is truly a hardcore gamer, then they should be able to adapt and learn how to play both modes efficiently.

I'm fine with the current setup really. There's only three reasons I never really got into Warzone.

1. Active Longshot, nothing more annoying then getting downed from across the map with one shot and not being able to recover without assistance from your teammate.

2. Execution gives me an excuse to go up to a player that's downed and do exactly what the name implies.

3. People letting you bleed out or getting downed in a remote area (usually from a Longshot) and having to just sit there and die for however long the bleed time is set.

I think both Execution and Warzone should have their own playlists. From what fufu last said it seems they're thinking of just making Execution it's own playlist and keeping Warzone paired up with Guardian, which doesn't seem fair to the Warzone players.

[DUBL DUECE]

This has been posted before, I like this list, now for people who want to play random game types you could create one more List called Random or ALL Gametypes. The thing that turns me off of most MM is playing a gametype I don't like because it gets vetoed. The only thing that should get vetoed is the map. If I only want to play Warzone or Execution or Wingman or whatever I should be able to do that, I don't want to play a gametype I do not enjoy, for me that is not fun and only increases quitting.

edit: from a previous post
1. Warzone
2. Execution
3. Territories(Annex/King of the Hill)
4. Guardian
5. Submission
6. Wingman
7. Horde

[EpiKooL]

I don't like being shoved into the "casual" crockpot. If anyone is truly a hardcore gamer, then they should be able to adapt and learn how to play both modes efficiently.


Well I didn't mean it in a bad way, you act like I'm saying it's a bad thing. I myself am a Hardcore gamer. Just because you're a hardcore gamer doesn't mean you have to play everything. COD4 I only play 1 mode. Same for GOW. I've also said this before, even if they don't change the play list I will play. I prefer to play Warzone. So don't get all offensive on me =P The whole learn to adapt thing is a bunch of bull so don't give me that. I want to play what I want to play.

[Blackop Elite]

I don't like being shoved into the "casual" crockpot. If anyone is truly a hardcore gamer, then they should be able to adapt and learn how to play both modes efficiently.

If you don't want a "casual" crockpot then the 2 modes need seperation Don't just throw them together. Thats where you get the casual gamers cause they don't care what mode they play, they are just looking to get into a game for maybe a couple of hours.

I personally don't want to adapt to gameplay I want to be able to have fun in the mode that me and my friends are use to playing. Throwing them together is just a huge Cluster Luck!!!

[EpiKooL]

If you don't want a "casual" crockpot then the 2 modes need seperation Don't just throw them together. Thats where you get the casual gamers cause they don't care what mode they play, they are just looking to get into a game for maybe a couple of hours.

I personally don't want to adapt to gameplay I want to be able to have fun in the mode that me and my friends are use to playing. Throwing them together is just a huge Cluster Luck!!!

^^^this. =P

[teslarossa]

Would a playlist dedicated to Execution be enough to appease the masses, or are there hardcore Warzone players out there who absolutely detest Execution?

I personally don't hate either but found myself playing warzone more often so it wouldn't be a shotty fest. Like I said earlier though, both have their own cult followings, giving one it's own playlist and not the other would still make some people unhappy.

Why not group guardian with submission, and then give Warzone and Execution their own lists? You would still only be adding one list.

[NUKEY]

Would a playlist dedicated to Execution be enough to appease the masses, or are there hardcore Warzone players out there who absolutely detest Execution?

I keep seeing over and over again, "Warzone & Execution were the two favorites, separate them."

Think about it though, GOW1 we only had to compare it to Annex and Assassination, not much of a choice. GOW2 I'm sure will surge new favorites, but Execution remaining supreme(in my eyes, hopefully wingman also). Just separating Execution would be more than enough because, now that you won't have to choose 2/3; 2/2 option would be plenty.


-K-

[< Profess >]

Why group any of them? It's only speeding up matchmaking by putting a number of players out of favor (ie. I want to play submission, but keep getting out voted for Assassination which should be standalone)

If you group any two gamemodes (which are different enough to warrant their own modes) then you will have some players choosing that group with one mode in mind.

Personally I'm okay with taking longer to get into games provided it's what I want to play, I'm not going to herald getting quickly into gametypes I dislike as an improvement.

[jayp316]

i think epic will have to make a update to the matchmaking i am not so botheredabout bieng forced to playing games just the fact that wen people quit people cannot fill the places.

[minns]

It is fine the way they did it. This way there are more people in each playlist which makes it so the parties will fill up faster and it can properly sort through more people to match you together with people of your skill. The matchmaking time is shortened when it has more people to choose from.

[JAGX]

Playlist:
Warzone - Warzone
Execution - Execution
Guardian - Guardian
Territories - Annex/KOTH
Submission - Submission
Wingman - Wingman
Horde - Horde

Gamemode should be chosen, maps should be random. Maps should be able to be voted on, players should pick what type of game they want, but, they should be foreced to be good at all maps if they wanna rank up. No more hosting Raven Down all day...

Also, if you force players to play game modes they don't like, they WILL QUIT. While there is a party system now, you can have a team that won't quit, but, if the opposing party is forced to play Wingman when they all want Warzone, everyone is gonna quit.

And expect all those MLG whiners making 1000x threads if you don't let them play exe all day.

[GRAE SKYZ]

Remember guys, it's not JUST about prefering Warzone or Execution. It's also about being able to play what we want, when we want.

It's about having the freedom of choice. You may not always want to play a certain gametype that is constantly being voted for.



*I'm about to begin reading the novel!* :)

[joeGraf]

If anyone needs me to go down to epic and set em straight i'd be happy to lol. I live like 10 min away from it.

Awesome. You posted with your gamertag so that when we report you to the police for making threats we can easily track you down.

[NUKEY]

Awesome. You posted with your gamertag so that when we report you to the police for making threats we can easily track you down.

They mean business! Joe's doing some espresso shots today I'm guessing! ( or some other kinds)


-K-

[Blackop Elite]

awesome. You posted with your gamertag so that when we report you to the police for making threats we can easily track you down.


ha ha ha ownage!!!

[EE Shadow]

Would a playlist dedicated to Execution be enough to appease the masses, or are there hardcore Warzone players out there who absolutely detest Execution?

I think you should just seperate warzone and execution put guardian in with submission.

[Killercrank]

Being a die hard execution fan, I still can't agree with only execution having a separate playlist. I would be happy but Warzone needs it as well for the big following it has. They both need it imho.

[WastedYouth]

At first i voted for separate playlist but i was thinking about it and i could see why they put them together. correct me if i'm wrong, the ranking system would go for the playlist not the individual gametype, and the best way to test someone true skill lvl is to put them in different situations, so if you are a player thats good at only one gametype and can only play that gametype or you suck it up then honestly your not that skilled of a player and should be ranked accordingly, i can only hope that you players that can't play different gametypes don't get into games with me cause i don't wanna play against slack players like you, and i keep see you post "i wanna play what i wanna play" you are gonna play what you wanna play your going to play Gears of War 2.

[SharpShooter218]

Why cant they just stick with the old system the only flaw with it was if there was hardly anyone on you may not be able to find a good game but that's definitely not going be a problem on GOW2 (at least not for the next 2 years). you may argue that "matchmaking stops people form just constantly playing the same game type" but why is that a problem if some one wants to play 19 rounds of Annex let them, you don't have to join with the old system. Epic just want a system like Bungie's one (which sucks) its laggy, I can never play what I want to play and I'm always paired up with some 5 year old kid who's voice only dogs and cats can hear. Today your stuck playing game types and maps you don't want to play what will happen tomorrow! People should have the choice to make their own play lists.

[USRangerJohn]

Ranger, they don't need to patch it. They can change it right now if they wanted.

How could they change it? The game has shipped so fixing it on the disk is impossible. Unless it is simply a Xbox Live thing (which can be fixed) then it can only be fixed via a patch.

[fufu]

How could they change it? The game has shipped so fixing it on the disk is impossible. Unless it is simply a Xbox Live thing (which can be fixed) then it can only be fixed via a patch.

We have advanced technologies!

[EpiKooL]

fufu can i see your advanced technology? ^_~

[WaldoRtk7]

We have advanced technologies!

Anything but a Recall... :eek:

[EE Shadow]

you can change playlist without a patch guys bungie does it with halo.

[EpiKooL]

mods never answer my question! lol >.<

[AFKontroller]

Would a playlist dedicated to Execution be enough to appease the masses, or are there hardcore Warzone players out there who absolutely detest Execution?

I'm a hardcore Warzone player and I hate Execution. It's like playing another game.

[beaner_06]

There are going to be enough players for Execution and Warzone to be split AND keep the time for searching for a game to a minimum, so that isn't a very good argument...at all...period.