The New Cover System: An Honest discussion.

[Pacificguitarist]

I did not want to bring this up on the forums, because I was almost sure not many people felt this way. However... I believe the new cover system is inferior to the old one in Gears of War 1. I changed my mind about posting this on here after I heard a few of my friends complaining about it...and I realized many other people feel the same way.

The new cover system has ( in my opinion) many problems. I tend to get "stuck" on walls more often than I did in gears one. Why is this? I don't know. Maybe lag. I really gave it a good chance because of all the hype around it... but I can honestly say its not as good. Tyro station is only one example of this.

This is just my opinion, so please don't bash me for it or tell me " I'm a noob" or what not. I'd just like to see what other people have to say, and if this is a common feeling than I'd like epic to address it.


As an edit: The fact that you have to look "dead center" in order to move around cover is extremely annoying for me personally.

[Ferretz]

I did not want to bring this up on the forums, because I was almost sure not many people felt this way. However... I believe the new cover system is inferior to the old one in Gears of War 1. I changed my mind about posting this on here after I heard a few of my friends complaining about it...and I realized many other people feel the same way.

The new cover system has ( in my opinion) many problems. I tend to get "stuck" on walls more often than I did in gears one. Why is this? I don't know. Maybe lag. I really gave it a good chance because of all the hype around it... but I can honestly say its not as good. Tyro station is only one example of this.

This is just my opinion, so please don't bash me for it or tell me " I'm a noob" or what not. I'd just like to see what other people have to say, and if this is a common feeling than I'd like epic to address it.
The cover system seems the same as the first one :/ .

[Cliffy Baird]

-I keep getting stuck when I'm in cover while trying to get to the corner of cover.

-When I finally get to the corner, my aim wont go around the corner, and sometimes it will switch aimings from over cover to around cover back and forth.

-Two things they did on purpose that messed up the cover:

-You have to look dead center to move over cover.

-There is a 2 second delay while trying to speed up your run while in cover.

[Pacificguitarist]

The cover system seems the same as the first one :/ .

Personally, I think its worse. Perhaps its because of the glitches they have ( rolling in the opposite direction you want to go towards and having problems climbing over objects like in tyro station to name two) and the lag.

[Ferretz]

Personally, I think its worse. Perhaps its because of the glitches they have ( rolling in the opposite direction you want to go towards and having problems climbing over objects like in tyro station to name two) and the lag.
In my opinion it's the map designs.

[Pacificguitarist]

In my opinion it's the map designs.

What do you mean?

[Ken Adams NSA]

I disagree in every possible way.

After playing Gears 2 for quite a long time, and then trying Gears 1, the cover system on Gears 2 is infinitely superior.

Getting stuck, slow swivel, lofty jump over cover...Gear 1 doesn't have a bad cover system, but it's not nearly as good as Gears 2.

[B3AST M0DE RR]

Toatally agree with op. I find myself getting stuck all the time.

[Cliffy Baird]

both have sticky cover systems. not just my opinion, its a fact.

[Ken Adams NSA]

both have sticky cover systems. not just my opinion, its a fact.

Play Vegas or Hell's Highway. THOSE have sticky cover systems, my friend.

[Cliffy Baird]

Play Vegas or Hell's Highway. THOSE have sticky cover systems, my friend.

Not many games have cover systems at all, so many people think Gears cover is less flawed than it actually is.

[Gunshots]

They are both annoying, especially in gears1 where you had to wait like 5 seconds to finally move. At least they fixed that.

[KTM Mak]

I did not want to bring this up on the forums, because I was almost sure not many people felt this way. However... I believe the new cover system is inferior to the old one in Gears of War 1. I changed my mind about posting this on here after I heard a few of my friends complaining about it...and I realized many other people feel the same way.

The new cover system has ( in my opinion) many problems. I tend to get "stuck" on walls more often than I did in gears one. Why is this? I don't know. Maybe lag. I really gave it a good chance because of all the hype around it... but I can honestly say its not as good. Tyro station is only one example of this.

This is just my opinion, so please don't bash me for it or tell me " I'm a noob" or what not. I'd just like to see what other people have to say, and if this is a common feeling than I'd like epic to address it.


As an edit: The fact that you have to look "dead center" in order to move around cover is extremely annoying for me personally.

When i want tell something to Epic someone already do. I agree, and i hope they will fix this.

[C Murder 20]

i totally agree..... i get stuck on cover wayyyyyy more then in gow 1

[JediPilot]

I completely agree that the cover system is inferior to that of Gears 1. I don't know what they did, but here are the 3 problems I have with the system.

1. Mounting Ledges

You cannot instantly mount ledges anymore, for instance, getting out of the tracks on Tyro station. There's a delay before you can mount, AND mounting seems to be way too touchy about when you can and cannot mount a ledge. On Mansion its a pain in the ass to mount the ledges in the courtyard to get to the grenade spawn. You need to be very specific now.

2 The Edges of Cover

It seems like sometimes I cannot aim out from the side of a wall or roadie run forward because my character can not completely move to the edge of the cover. I find I have to exit and go back into cover sometimes to be able to move out to the edge of cover.

3 Leaping Over Cover to a Roadie Run

This is not to be confused with mounting ledges. What I mean by leaping over cover is when you hop over low cover to the other side. Unless your camera is facing directly ahead, you will not roadie run in the direction you are pressing the stick. This is absolutely true. Get into low cover taht you can leap over. Look to the right. Leap LEFT over the cover and try to roadie run in any direction. You will find that the direction you run in, is NOT relative to your camera, like EVERY OTHER INSTANCE of roadie running. It is not even relative to the direction your character is facing. IT DOESN'T MAKE SENSE.

4 Blind Firing Around the Side of Walls

I forgot to add, when blind firing sometimes, my guns will hit the side of the wall instead. This may be due to the fact that in Gears 2 you don't stick out as far around cover (which is a nice improvement, btw), but it gets annoying. Maybe that's more of a blind fire issue, I don't know.

[PIGGY]

Haven't noticed much offa differnce

[BuckWildShindig]

i liked gears 1 cover better because it made movement feel more fluid. speaking of camera angles, when you pick up a weapon and swivel your camera to jump backwards the character still jumps forward...very annoying.

[prayingmonkey]

1st off I still use the old system (A) for every thing
I like the new cover system as I dont get stuck as much & feel I have more control I love to 180 ghost bounce ( slide turn & cancel ) however there is times I want to stick but dont & end up rolling & I really hate cover mounts so slow (Tyro station & Canals ledges)
Also there seems to be little improvement in rolling of edges a big gripe in gow1
I had a wee shot of gow1 yesterday & it was hellish for me as whenever I did roadie I'd get slammed & stuck when I didnt want too.
So yeah I see improvements but there is room for more.

OH! & as the post above says when picking up a weapon & trying to roll backwards often see you rolling forward with your new found toy often towards the enemy this is bad.

[JediPilot]

i liked gears 1 cover better because it made movement feel more fluid. speaking of camera angles, when you pick up a weapon and swivel your camera to jump backwards the character still jumps forward...very annoying.

Yeah, that's also a problem. I wonder if it's related to the leaping over cover problem I described?

[aaspect]

This biggest problem is with mounting, mounting in tyro and some other map is broken.

[coledabeast]

i get stuck also to the point half of my characters body falls through the floor and all u see is waist up epic needs to fix this wheres the update that was promised a week after the game came out and take out glitches

[Pacificguitarist]

Well guys judging from the responses here and from talking all day to players in the game it appears most people either believe the new cover system is the same or worse than gears of war one. This is a problem.

I guess it hasn't been talked about much because of all the other problems in this game...but I do think this should be addressed as soon as the others are fixed. Lets try to keep this thread alive so that people can weigh in their input and Epic takes a listen shall we?

[DOHxBl4ckout]

Gears 2's cover system is better because you can actually cancel the wall slide and i don't get stuck on walls anymore :-D but wall bouncing is harder now

[Pacificguitarist]

Gears 2's cover system is better because you can actually cancel the wall slide and i don't get stuck on walls anymore :-D but wall bouncing is harder now

I like that you can cancel moves while in the middle of them. That is a plus...however the core cover system is very sticky and thats a problem.

[gooooo clefairy]

i get stuck a **** load or i cant get off the wall. its very frusterating

[DOHxBl4ckout]

I like that you can cancel moves while in the middle of them. That is a plus...however the core cover system is very sticky and thats a problem.

I don't have the sticky problem :-)


i get stuck a **** load or i cant get off the wall. its very frusterating

it must be lag buddy

[Pacificguitarist]

I don't have the sticky problem :-)



it must be lag buddy



Well I woudn't single out only lag. Moving in and out of cover is not very fluid when I play offline too. Not as good as in gears one in my opinion. I do think lag makes it worse though.

[wazups2x]

The Gears 2 cover seems a little bit slower overall

[Judg3ment_Day 7]

The only problem I have is I seem to be getting stuck between sandbags trying to get up out of the traintracks in tyro station, it's killed me sooo many more times than it did before. It shows me climbing then appearing back down and I do it over and over and over again then I'm chunked. I've also had problems in hail with the box cars in the middle, thrice I've tried to get over[a couple times as leader to my utter embarrassment] I tried to jump in 5 times and still got killed. Other than that I don't see any difference

[Ken Adams NSA]

Not many games have cover systems at all, so many people think Gears cover is less flawed than it actually is.

I will start naming off the cover system games if you really want.

[Pacificguitarist]

I will start naming off the cover system games if you really want.

Is that relevant? I'm comparing to the first gears of war. I think this is inferior.

[Sam Stride]

i personally find the cover system to be pretty good...

[B4LLAH]

i know what you mean, the so called improved cover system, is not so much improved in my opinion, its waaayyy more glitchy and you can never correctly get blindfire off at time idk this game is going down..and fast

[I_ViRuS_X]

i get stuck all the time and its annoying

[Pacificguitarist]

i get stuck all the time and its annoying

Lets keep this thread alive then and make sure Epic sees it.

[KaneN]

you get ran over by the train alot. youre waiting to get up from the tracks and it takes about 3 seconds. the train goes at like 800mph?

[chilly rainbow]

cover is useless thanks to those lame smoke grenades

[Pacificguitarist]

cover is useless thanks to those lame smoke grenades

Thats true. But I do believe they'll be fixing the smokes since everyones complaining.

[Iduno]

I get stuck to walls when trying to take meatsheilds, its sooo annoying to die because of that.

[Ken Adams NSA]

Oh my god, I really, really hope you guys that are complaining about the cover system go back and play Gears 1. The difference is amazing. Stop disillusioning yourself. You can hate everything about the Gears 2, but the cover system has been improved. This is NOT an opinion, this is a fact.

Case in point, tell me how many times you get stuck on Gears 1, and how slow you move in and out of cover. That, and also let me know about double mantling. Oh yea, and let's not forget about the lofty jump over cover.

Seriously, guys. You are just finding more excuses. I can understand dissatisfaction with the lag, matchmaking, or chainsaw, but honestly, the cover system of all things? The core gameplay element that has only been more refined?

It seems you're just looking for a bone to pick.

[Iduno]

Oh my god, I really, really hope you guys that are complaining about the cover system go back and play Gears 1. The difference is amazing. Stop disillusioning yourself. You can hate everything about the game, but the cover system has been improved. This is NOT an opinion, this is a fact.

Case in point, tell me how many times you get stuck on Gears 1, and how slow you move in and out of cover. That, and also let me know about double mantling. Oh yea, and let's not forget about the lofty jump over cover.

Seriously, guys. You are just finding more excuses. I can understand dissatisfaction with the lag, matchmaking, or chainsaw, but honestly, the cover system of all things?

It seems you're just looking for a bone to pick.

Someone's never got stuck sliding around walls like a madman when they were just strying to take a meatshield, or been rolling frentically on the tracks trying to get up off of them when the train's about to come...

[Smokey Amp]

Anyone ever get a shaky camera when hard-aiming out of the side of some piece of cover?

That annoys the crap out of me.

[julianwelton]

I might not get stuck on things while running as often, but I still do from time to time. The more important issue to me is that I have trouble climbing ledges and getting off a wall once I'm attached. In my opinion the cover system needs a bit of tweaking.

[Eternalnow]

-I keep getting stuck when I'm in cover while trying to get to the corner of cover.

-When I finally get to the corner, my aim wont go around the corner, and sometimes it will switch aimings from over cover to around cover back and forth.

-Two things they did on purpose that messed up the cover:

-You have to look dead center to move over cover.

-There is a 2 second delay while trying to speed up your run while in cover.

This is correct.

One more thing: The game likes to make me glitch when I try to jump over cover and I do this weird Kung Fu Flip.

[BGR33N5]

I don't get stuck nearly as much as I did in the first one. Nor do I get stuck to things as I run past as much either. The delay before the roadie run is annoying though.

[Cynicism4Breakfast]

It's better in some ways and worse in others. You have to press the stick completely forward to mount objects and it seems like it takes forever to register. While I don't find myself getting stuck as long as I seemed to in GOW1, it seems like I get stuck more often.

Sometimes players look like they are on the edge of cover and I have an angle where I'm clearly hitting them, but they aren't showing any signs of taking damage. When I'm in cover sometimes I get hit when I'm not that close to the edge of it at all.

On pavillion I get hit when behind the sandbags on either side of the middle area in the side areas leading up to pistol spawns/boomshield area. Both those areas are on an incline but I still get hit over top of the sandbags by people shooting me that are on lower ground.

[USRangerJohn]

I did not want to bring this up on the forums, because I was almost sure not many people felt this way. However... I believe the new cover system is inferior to the old one in Gears of War 1. I changed my mind about posting this on here after I heard a few of my friends complaining about it...and I realized many other people feel the same way.

The new cover system has ( in my opinion) many problems. I tend to get "stuck" on walls more often than I did in gears one. Why is this? I don't know. Maybe lag. I really gave it a good chance because of all the hype around it... but I can honestly say its not as good. Tyro station is only one example of this.

This is just my opinion, so please don't bash me for it or tell me " I'm a noob" or what not. I'd just like to see what other people have to say, and if this is a common feeling than I'd like epic to address it.


As an edit: The fact that you have to look "dead center" in order to move around cover is extremely annoying for me personally.

I agree. The cover system is still not at 100%. It works fine and they removed the worse glitch in history of gow (the get stuck in cover glitch) but I still feel they can make it better.

Notable problems I see are first off, I can no longer move as quickly through cover as I did in gow 1. The mantle takes time and sometimes doesnt register. That is my first problem.

The next problem is the side rolls. For some reason you can side roll from cover from anywhere on cover. Even worse is how when you try to mantle you will be forced to do the side roll occasionally. EPIC please fix this.

The final problem is how sticky the cover is. I like how they made the game less sticky with the ability to stop moving into cover, however once on cover you kinda get stuck there. This should also be addressed as well.

[JediPilot]

Oh my god, I really, really hope you guys that are complaining about the cover system go back and play Gears 1. The difference is amazing. Stop disillusioning yourself. You can hate everything about the Gears 2, but the cover system has been improved. This is NOT an opinion, this is a fact.

Case in point, tell me how many times you get stuck on Gears 1, and how slow you move in and out of cover. That, and also let me know about double mantling. Oh yea, and let's not forget about the lofty jump over cover.

Seriously, guys. You are just finding more excuses. I can understand dissatisfaction with the lag, matchmaking, or chainsaw, but honestly, the cover system of all things? The core gameplay element that has only been more refined?

It seems you're just looking for a bone to pick.

Read my first post in this thread. You can replicate everything I just said. These problems did not exist in Gears 1.

[ExpLiciTSainT]

-I keep getting stuck when I'm in cover while trying to get to the corner of cover.

-When I finally get to the corner, my aim wont go around the corner, and sometimes it will switch aimings from over cover to around cover back and forth.

-Two things they did on purpose that messed up the cover:

-You have to look dead center to move over cover.

-There is a 2 second delay while trying to speed up your run while in cover.

I've experienced all these problems too...

[COG Scorcher]

Vaulting over cover is completly screwed in Gears 2 which is very disappointing, but eveything else seems smoother.

[Chris is C00L]

Yea, the cover system sucks now. It's so hard to climb over things and you get stuck on everything.

[Pacificguitarist]

Oh my god, I really, really hope you guys that are complaining about the cover system go back and play Gears 1. The difference is amazing. Stop disillusioning yourself. You can hate everything about the Gears 2, but the cover system has been improved. This is NOT an opinion, this is a fact.

Case in point, tell me how many times you get stuck on Gears 1, and how slow you move in and out of cover. That, and also let me know about double mantling. Oh yea, and let's not forget about the lofty jump over cover.

Seriously, guys. You are just finding more excuses. I can understand dissatisfaction with the lag, matchmaking, or chainsaw, but honestly, the cover system of all things? The core gameplay element that has only been more refined?

It seems you're just looking for a bone to pick.

I am not just looking for a bone to pick. Its comments like yours that made me hesitant to even post this in the first place. Why? Because I figured that because of all the marketing that was done to talk about how much better the cover system is now that people would have kinda just bought in to it. Obviously... they haven't. I do think Epic thinks they made it better... but I find it worse than the first. Most people I have talked to agree. I really think this is a problem and I hope Epic will address it.

[Spectre316]

This biggest problem is with mounting, mounting in tyro and some other map is broken.

Yes the mounting needs to be fixed at times I will try to mount up so I can get off the track on tyro yet even though im holding up like I would in Gears 1 my character will roll to either the left or right or just not do anything.

[Ken Adams NSA]

I am not just looking for a bone to pick. Its comments like yours that made me hesitant to even post this in the first place. Why? Because I figured that because of all the marketing that was done to talk about how much better the cover system is now that people would have kinda just bought in to it. Obviously... they haven't. I do think Epic thinks they made it better... but I find it worse than the first. Most people I have talked to agree. I really think this is a problem and I hope Epic will address it.

"Most people" is highly subjective, as it is the exact opposite for me.

Have you played Gears 1 recently? Seriously. If you still have it, go play it. Then, if you can honestly come back here and say that the cover system is worse in Gears 2, I will leave you alone.

I honestly think this is Gears' cover system damn near perfected. I've gotten stuck twice throughout my entire multiplayer career. Everything feels a thousand times more comfortable and natural.

Regarding your marketing idea, I don't see anything on the back of the box that says: "THE COVER SYSTEM IS BETTER!" Epic has said that there were over 400 tweaks made to the cover system, sure, but I hardly consider that marketing. It's called optimization and refinement.

[Ken Adams NSA]

Yes the mounting needs to be fixed at times I will try to mount up so I can get off the track on tyro yet even though im holding up like I would in Gears 1 my character will roll to either the left or right or just not do anything.

This is the only thing I have noticed that is currently wrong with the cover system.

[Pacificguitarist]

"Most people" is highly subjective, as it is the exact opposite for me.

Have you played Gears 1 recently? Seriously. If you still have it, go play it. Then, if you can honestly come back here and say that the cover system is worse in Gears 2, I will leave you alone.

I honestly think this is Gears' cover system damn near perfected. I've gotten stuck twice throughout my entire multiplayer career. Everything feels a thousand times more comfortable and natural.

Regarding your marketing idea, I don't see anything on the back of the box that says: "THE COVER SYSTEM IS BETTER!" Epic has said that there were over 400 tweaks made to the cover system, sure, but I hardly consider that marketing. It's called optimization and refinement.

I play GOW1 every night after playing GOW2. I tend to get a little annoyed with it lol.

If thats how you feel though I am glad you enjoy it

[Ken Adams NSA]

I play GOW1 every night after playing GOW2. I tend to get a little annoyed with it lol.

If thats how you feel though I am glad you enjoy it

Wait, with which one? Now you've lost me.

Anyways, if you like the old one, then you have a right to your opinion.

No more arguing. :)

[Spectre316]

This is the only thing I have noticed that is currently wrong with the cover system.

It is pretty much the only thing I notice to other then that I like the system.

[Pacificguitarist]

I get annoyed with gears 2. sorry for the confusion

[mikeytee2k8]

i just think the "A" button has too many uses

the amount on times in tried to pick up a meatflag and dived backwards or stuck to some cover