Lance [Gauntlet BETA Edition]

[Kantham]

http://j.imagehost.org/0155/LGE_BANNER-FORUMS.jpg
LAST UPDATED 5TH OCT 2011



Gauntlet BETA is now available. (http://forums.epicgames.com/threads/835609-Lance-Gauntlet-Update-BETA)

[darksin]

thx for the great work man,cheers.hope the other maps coming soon.......

[Kantham]

Sure are more coming soon. ;)

[darksin]

well, i just played this winter version,thx for adding another new cover spot.maybe add some snowfall next time?:)

sometimes it gives some familiar feelings of that gears2 winter map,since no gear2 pc,maybe when gears2 out,u can make a similar redalert 2.0:o..

[Ashrak]

I just played the winter version.. Its great. Just the same as the original beta but with snow. To be honest I actually prefered the original version but I'm not married to it. Good effort. Keep it up.

Note: I intended that statement to sound far more complimentary than it did.. sorry..

[Ashrak]

Oh btw.. If I extract the LANCE_SPAWNS.UPK file to \My Documents\My Games\Gears of War for Windows\WarGame\Published\CookedPC\Maps\CustomMaps , I get an ambiguous package error. If I move it up to \My Documents\My Games\Gears of War for Windows\WarGame\Published\CookedPC\ the error goes away. Any ideas on that?

[Kantham]

I just played the winter version.. Its great. Just the same as the original beta but with snow.

Well it's more complicated than just "Snow" added, the lightning got changed, some errors got fixed, new materials were made, ETC.

I have no idea for the error you're getting.
BTW Facade (Durod) and Sabek will get their own Day snow version as well. Orion will have a night time.
If you liked the original then I recomend you stick the the beta versions.

[Ashrak]

Orion will have a night time

Can't wait for that...

[darksin]

well, i suggest when 5 life is used, the map could automatic restart, or we have to reload the map again and again..
and the enemy and ally spawn at the same spot seems no change, somtimes when a enemy spawn with a grenade launcher,he quickly shoot me dead before i can reaction, so annoying.i hope there's a way to solve this..:rolleyes:.....

[Kantham]

You reload the level, takes 5 seconds (At least, from here) and all the mess gets cleared up. What's the matter? :\
Do you open it from the console? If you don't, then do it NOW. :)
Reload last checkpoint work.

[darksin]

well, seems i have to quickly run away from the spawn spot asap,that's the only way.thx though.great work....

[Kantham]

Facade is now here.

http://img509.imageshack.us/img509/1516/facadege6.png (http://www.kantham.com/lance/lnc_facade.html)

[Ashrak]

Loving Facade.. Thanx :D

[xTLxStr80utKila]

i'll have a vid link up for Facade showing What its like and i'll have one up for RedAlert later:D

[Kantham]

Sabek is now here.

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/483/sabeker0.png (http://www.kantham.com/lance/lnc_sabek.html)

EDIT: Orion will have some gameplay change as well as a night time. I'll re-work the entire lightning and change the cover for a more suitable experience.

Then new levels will surface, keep in mind that you can convert your levels too.
Would be nice to hear from the level designers here...

[Rohit_N]

Indeed. Do these guys want Gears PC to die?

[darksin]

Then new levels will surface, keep in mind that you can convert your levels too


agreed, currently only kantham the great did this work, other guys seems no interest in convert their maps, hope they can remake their mp maps to this type....

[Whitsel]

So...this is actually playing TDM with bots? like they spawn, act dynamically and all the other crap *BOTS* do, right? Or am I too overhyped to fully understand what this is? lol :P

[Ashrak]

Love the winter Sabek. Did you block off one of the spawns??

[nELsOn]

So...this is actually playing TDM with bots? like they spawn, act dynamically and all the other crap *BOTS* do, right?

it's pretty much exactly that. sometimes (very rarely juding by my experience) they act kinda stupid, like, a locust and a cog standing side by side shooting around corners but not realizing that there's an enemy right next to them.

however, it's not kantham's fault. after all, i've had locust in single player that were standing still while i approached them fully exposed and i had all the time in the world to switch to the lancer and chainsaw them. :p

so, i said it before but i'll say it again just because it's true - this has kept GoW PC alive for me because for some reason i can't play online properly and after finishing the single player like 4 times it's more fun when played again in co-op with a friend (which i have my 360 for). i just need to get some time to make my own lance map :)

[darksin]

when gears 2 is out, 360 player will throw gears 1 away.

but for pcgamer, what we only can do is still stick to gears1.so TDM could give some fun for pc...

[Kantham]

So...this is actually playing TDM with bots? like they spawn, act dynamically and all the other crap *BOTS* do, right? Or am I too overhyped to fully understand what this is? lol :P

I say you should try it out. Sure, they act like the AI in the campaign, but they still deliver a challenge. It's not easy, and you have to still think about how you will approach them. In addition, the AI roadie run to get to cover, this sometimes recreate how a human player would play. But they don't do it too often.

In other words, if you liked the campaign, you will love this.


Love the winter Sabek. Did you block off one of the spawns??

You mean the temple? Yes, and I added a new spawn in the museum.

[Taffer]

In addition, the AI roadie run to get to cover, this sometimes recreate how a human player would play. But they don't do it too often.


I don't believe I've seen them do that in the PC version campaign, but I saw it quite a bit on the 360. Is there a reason the developers got rid of it for the PC?

I also got your message Kantham. School's been murdering me lately, but I'd like to find time to set my maps up for this gametype as well. It might not be for a while, but I just want you to know that I'm not just ignoring your PM.

[Kantham]

I don't believe I've seen them do that in the PC version campaign, but I saw it quite a bit on the 360. Is there a reason the developers got rid of it for the PC?


Actually the only one that does roadie run is Dom in the campaign. The locust AI's don't do it in any case. I do believe that they removed it because it was messy, they do in fact roadie run in a weird way no human players can do, but since they don't do it so often, it isn't really much an issue.

Got it. Hope to see some from you someday.

[Whitsel]

In other words, if you liked the campaign, you will love this.

And if I loved the campaign? :P

BTW:
The bots in the MP gamemodes for Gears2 dont look that impressive either(IMO). They look good for people like myself that only plays with AI but for people that usually play human vs human they arent that interesting.

[Kantham]

Orion is now here.

http://www.kantham.com/lance/pictures/map/Orion.png (http://www.kantham.com/lance/lnc_orion.html)

[Ashrak]

but for pcgamer, what we only can do is still stick to gears1.so TDM could give some fun for pc...

Honestly, Who needs Gears 2 when you have stuff like this..??


Orion is now here.

I think I just urinated a little....

[Rohit_N]

Great. Bring on the new maps.

[Ashrak]

I just played Orion Final for about an hour.. and wow. Impressive. The night/winter theme works soooo well on this map. I love the sky with the stars and such. I love the new spawn with the big sci fi-ish looking door. Wow.. Great job. I was actually nade tagged by one of the bots for the first time. that doesn't happen often with these bots. Keep up the great work. I really haven't felt the need to play on live since these have come out so you know they are awsome.

[Whitsel]

EDIT: NVM....Kantham, LOVE the bots, dude! I mean really.... these maps are amazingly fun!

[darksin]

well, if gears 2 comes to pc with bot support multi map and also horde like these tdm maps,that would be great...but only a dream currently....

hope kantham could make some factory style map in future......

[BurnedInternal]

well, if gears 2 comes to pc with bot support multi map and also horde like these tdm maps,that would be great...but only a dream currently....


Yeah That Would Be Awesome

[BurnedInternal]

Hey Kantham I Like The Maps Great Fun.... Oh Yeah Ive Figured Out How to Make The Locusts Healable/Revive When DBNO/Evade Close Range Attacks/And Taunt You When In There Line OF Sight/ I Will Be Releasing GridlockWithBots Hopefully By the End Of This Week.. I Have A Question Though Why Did You Take Out The AI Weapon Pickups?

[darksin]

Burned Internal is the first one who made lance TDm maps, you are the legend,man

glad to see your new maps coming !! hope you can make more with these enhanced feature..:D

[Kantham]

BTW: Kantham, when you die are you actually respawning while the action goes on or are you just reloading the previous checkpoint? -Thx.

You have either 3 or 5 lives, when they empty, you have to reload last checkpoint. :)


Hey Kantham I Like The Maps Great Fun.... Oh Yeah Ive Figured Out How to Make The Locusts Healable/Revive When DBNO/Evade Close Range Attacks/And Taunt You When In There Line OF Sight/ I Will Be Releasing GridlockWithBots Hopefully By the End Of This Week..

I will be checking out what you did to them.


I Have A Question Though Why Did You Take Out The AI Weapon Pickups?

The idea was to give players a random weapon on start. I thought that concept was easy and simple, the AI weapon pickups were extremely faked, and they were quite a lot of management under Kismet.

[LiquidLeary]

Thanks for keeping custom TDM going Kantham. Looking forward to more maps like these. :)

[Whitsel]

Hey Kantham, I took a few vids of myself playing with the bots. A lot of people I know were asking to see them, do you mind if I post them up on Youtube?

[Kantham]

Not at all, I was expecting someone to do it, if they are great, I can always put them in my "About lance" page so people can see the video and what it is all about.

[Whitsel]

Here is the link to my first vid...will make more later.
*Warning* I updated some funny quotations in the video that are of adult humor*
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo6YTM4H_6Y
Thx again for soo much fun, Kantham! Hope to see more maps later :P

[Kantham]

Not bad, It's a bit dark, it would be nice if we could actually hear the action without any music. :)
I personally tried, and I miserably have no patience when it comes to the video editing.

Obviously I can't be good at everything lol.

[Whitsel]

I couldnt figure out how to get the sound working at the time but now its working. I will also adjust the brightness(I just like darker gameplay).
I have a video of Red Alert right now, just need to edit it a bit and I will upload by ASAP.

[Rohit_N]

Lulz. In my cheap attempt to get more TDM gameplay, I converted MP_Sanctuary to the gametype and even had a match. I learned one important thing: clearly, some maps just aren't designed for Lance. I also had problems with my character running into invisible obstacles along paths.

Still, I'm very interested in what maps could work. What about Courtyard? Or War Machine? Or should this little venture of mine end right now?

[darksin]

there're already some mp maps with bots out,but not this lance type....

[Kantham]

All the levels are meant to be converted, sometimes it's just a little tricky.

As for the invisible obstacles you're talking about, I'm guessing it's a BSP issue, had that with converting Sabek (the copy paste thing), it was annoying as crap, the way I solved this is converting very complex BSP into a static mesh.

[darksin]

as i always say,

mp maps without bot option is nothing fun at all...........


maybe epic should hire kantham to do this job ....

[Ashrak]

I just have to say again how much I love these maps. My skill with some of the weapons has improved threefold since I started playing these. I could never get a proper feel for say the torque bow or longshot on live because of the lag. But now I'm taking heads off left and right. These are awsome for people who need practice. I also turned directionallightmaps back on and Wow what a difference! The framerate didn't suffer as much as I had first thought so I'm gonna leave it on.

Anyway.. the real reason for my post here is to talk about impossible sniper shots form the bots. They seem to be superhuman with the longshot. Once I was in the middle of a roll and got my head taken off. Not uncommon on Live but what was weird this time was that my body froze in mid air completely upsidedown with my neck leaking blood toward the ground. I had never seen that before so I tought it was odd and it seemed like an impossible shot. Another example, I often get the drop on these bots. Once I snuck up behind one with the long shot. He was facing away from me and I raised my Lancer and aimed. My first bullet left my Lancer and my head was gone before the second. The bot had time to swing around and take my head off and only got my first bullet. Thats not humanly possible. I'm not complaining here at all. I'm just wondering if anyone else notices that and if mabye there is something that can be improved in that area. In every other way however the bots are pretty weak. Sometimes they will sit there right in front of you trying to decide if they want to shoot you. They just seem to be masters of the longshot and nothing else. Anyway.. If anyone has anything to say on that please post....

[Kantham]

What's causing this is that the AI is scripted to react very fast to any attacks you are leaving to them. Without any delay, the AI will get a sniper bullet out of his ass and headshot you instantly. So to "counter" this annoying "bug", what I do is I provoke them by blind fire while in cover.

It's a very annoying issue I am obviously not able to fix since the Uscripting is frozen and unpublished. I'd really like to though.

[Kantham]

Lynat Factory beta is here.
http://forums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?p=25557537

Please post in the thread for feedback or comments to improve this level.
First post updated.

[Ashrak]

It's a very annoying issue I am obviously not able to fix since the Uscripting is frozen and unpublished. I'd really like to though.

Yah I figured. Its not a big deal. I'll just have to change stratagies.

I just got home and I can't wait to try Lynat Factory...! :D

[Whitsel]

YAY, new map! Sweet!

[Kantham]

Lance version 2 is on the way. It has 1 new character for each faction, a lot of gameplay changes (Weapon balance, some AI stuff) and the whole new "fake" spawn protection that last 3.5 seconds after each time you spawn. Also, both COG and Locust have a spawning Wretch to hunt around with. And you can set the Player count (5v5 or 6v6)

Nice deal?
Hopefully people won't play this with stupid cheats.

[Rohit_N]

Nice, though I assume you didn't implement the new Hammerburst? It's too easy to get killed by that thing.

[Kantham]

Nah I didn't because I had issues with the sounds no one could help with, but the weapon was working just fine. I added the maximum ammo amount on each pistols, the Boltok feels quite near to the new hammer burst I made. Thus it's no big lost. The sniper works like in multiplayer, only actives can down in one shot, and the shotgun now shots 4 pellets instead of 6, and has a mag size of 6.

[Rohit_N]

That's better. I always felt that for such a powerful weapon, the shotgun had too much ammo.

[Ashrak]

Looking forward to trying it out... :o

[darksin]

the whole new "fake" spawn protection that last 3.5 seconds after each time you spawn

finally the best new feature.......:D



Hopefully people won't play this with stupid cheats.

well, life is short, ....:o

[nELsOn]

Lance version 2 is on the way. It has 1 new character for each faction, a lot of gameplay changes (Weapon balance, some AI stuff) and the whole new "fake" spawn protection that last 3.5 seconds after each time you spawn. Also, both COG and Locust have a spawning Wretch to hunt around with. And you can set the Player count (5v5 or 6v6)

Nice deal?
Hopefully people won't play this with stupid cheats.

nice deal indeed. but what do you mean by stupid cheats? standard unreal engine game cheats or...?

btw - have you figured out a way to get rid off the weapons and bodies lying around in the map after you killed someone?

[Kantham]

No, haven't figured it out. But that's no big deal I guess?
Oh and I forgot, the end cam is no more, when you win it just ends pretty much the same way as when you die, but the screen turns white, instead of bloody red.

Cheats are modifiable values. I've spend a hard time trying to balance the weapons, I recently heard some people play with 99999 AMMO and stuff like that. No wonder why the same exact persons ask for large scaled levels. I get it now.

Train people! Cheats doesn't help improving. :p
Anyway, if they want to use them it's their deal, I just hope they don't use them. The main goals of Lance are to improve and have fun.

[nELsOn]

nah, no big deal. i was just curious :)
but hey, i've finally started building my own lance map. hopefully it won't take me toooooo long to finish. i also hope i'll be able to execute the theme well so it'll look as good in the game as it does in my head :p

[Whitsel]

Aw, man! Lv2 looks sweet! Hope you keep surprising us, Kantham. I love playing these maps :)

[Welis]

Sounds like a great idea to improve Lancer mode. A new character sounds nice, i wonder what Cog will get. Anya, Jack? Anyway, i just hope for some new kickass maps. Kantham delivers it well.

Oh one question. Is there anyway you can make a Cog base and a Locust Base so our spawns won't scattered around the map? Take Gridlock as an example. Everyone starts on each sides and are running to the middle area to fight. A map with a Cog Base and a Locust base would be nice. Like Hydro-Station map from Unreal Tournament if you remember it. A CTF type of game just deathmatch with your own territory.

[maddog]

Hello everyone,

Just came across this great looking mod from another forum post and wanted to ask a couple questions before trying it out.

1. Can I play this mod with buddies or is it single player and bot teammates versus enemy bots only?

2. If you can play with buddies on a local LAN, can the ration be changed? For instance, can it be 2 versus 5 or 3 versus 6?

Thanks again and look forward to trying it out

Sincerely,

MP

[Warsmith]

its possible to play as anya.

[Welis]

its possible to play as anya.

Woah. That must have been incredible weird. Oh i did forgot to mention playing as a stranded is possible. Look at the video i made http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VuJu6TPqTvk

[Kantham]

Hello everyone,

Just came across this great looking mod from another forum post and wanted to ask a couple questions before trying it out.

1. Can I play this mod with buddies or is it single player and bot teammates versus enemy bots only?

2. If you can play with buddies on a local LAN, can the ration be changed? For instance, can it be 2 versus 5 or 3 versus 6?

Thanks again and look forward to trying it out

Sincerely,

MP

I'm afraid Lance is a Single player only experience. You can not have a buddy playing with you.

[darksin]

I recently heard some people play with 99999 AMMO and stuff like that. No wonder why the same exact persons ask for large scaled levels. I get it now.


hi, guys .that's me, baby...u c i always want sth, special....
i'm glad helped kantham solve the little weapon case... :D

also health cheats command not working in lance,but in other sp mode maps,
and still many more additional feature in console command....:rolleyes:

[darksin]

Woah. That must have been incredible weird. Oh i did forgot to mention playing as a stranded is possible. Look at the video i made http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=VuJu6TPqTvk

that's cool, man,hope one day we can play a map ,
control anya lead alot of stranded to stop hordes of locust...;)

and another map we can drive the vehicle ,change the main gun to troika,
and crash the enemy like brumak on big battlefield like gears 2 did...:cool:

[Kantham]

I don't want to spoil too much things, but here is White Knight and Sine.

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/6919/cogpz8.png http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/2272/geistqc1.png

Another cool feature is being worked on, this one is taking quite a long time to make. But I'm sure you guys won't be disappointed with all the package. :)

[Warsmith]

HEY! i was working on the high res version of that helmet

[Welis]

I don't want to spoil too much things, but here is White Knight and Sine.

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/6919/cogpz8.png http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/2272/geistqc1.png

Another cool feature is being worked on, this one is taking quite a long time to make. But I'm sure you guys won't be disappointed with all the package. :)

Holy!!!! Omfg.. Kantham .... I am speechless.

[Ashrak]

Holy crap! Those new characters look sweet. Sine looks badass.

[Rohit_N]

Nice characters, but do they have unique gibs?

[Kantham]

Yes.

It's basically the Theron and Kim models with new helmets on, with custom skins.
When you gib them the material is still on to.

I just made a major improvement to the AI, they now roadie run at you with a time interval, which kills this "Come hunt me I'm the camper AI" boring gameplay. In addition of that, they die just like your teammates now, you can not execute them anymore, this is much more enjoyable since you had to execute like 60 of them in each game, it got boring.

The AI also do special moves like Left/Right/Front/Backward rolls after they take a certain ammount of damage. Just to let you know, I barely hit one of these AI with my shotgun, he side roll, then chainsawed me, it was Epic.

[Rohit_N]

So you don't have to make the gibs yourself? The game generates them depending on the material?

Also, once you've finished this, will installation be as simple as replacing the old .upk file? Or would the maps need to be updated?

[ViLLaN]

Yes.

It's basically the Theron and Kim models with new helmets on, with custom skins.
When you gib them the material is still on to.

I just made a major improvement to the AI, they now roadie run at you with a time interval, which kills this "Come hunt me I'm the camper AI" boring gameplay. In addition of that, they die just like your teammates now, you can not execute them anymore, this is much more enjoyable since you had to execute like 60 of them in each game, it got boring.

The AI also do special moves like Left/Right/Front/Backward rolls after they take a certain ammount of damage. Just to let you know, I barely hit one of these AI with my shotgun, he side roll, then chainsawed me, it was Epic.


nice work kantham looking forward to its release

[Kantham]

Character selection screen
http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/5975/selectionfv0.jpg

Also, "Theron No Helmet" is no more, it got replaced by another Theron using another helmet, I can't really say this is a new character, but this is 2.5 new characters. :)

[darksin]

great work kantham, as always....

the selection is more beautiful...:)


Ps: is it possible to port ut 3 models into this?......

[Ashrak]

Agreed.. looks sweet.. can't wait to try it out..

[Kyojinmaru]

I don't want to spoil too much things, but here is White Knight and Sine.

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/6919/cogpz8.png http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/2272/geistqc1.png

Another cool feature is being worked on, this one is taking quite a long time to make. But I'm sure you guys won't be disappointed with all the package. :)

Awesome work man, but one thing, why you don't change these white menu background by another one that fits the map that you are playing?, would be much better.

[Welis]

I actually prefer white backgrounds. Less slowdown in the beginning.

[Ashrak]

I actually prefer white backgrounds. Less slowdown in the beginning.

Agree 100%

[Taffer]

If I am converting my maps to Lance, should I wait until you release version two or can I go ahead and convert them now? I'm also guessing that you need to use the unpublished/uncooked files when doing the converting, right?

You are doing a phenominal job. I love Gears to death and this modding community should've been so much more than it is, but people like you definitely help to keep it alive.

[Kantham]

Thanks man.
Yes, I will be releasing a new LNC_.war for people to put theirs in.

[ryan219]

yes, thanks a lot man

[Welis]

Any update yet Kantham? Awaits the new Lance v2.

[Ashrak]

I was diving to avoid getting sinpped by a bot and got stuck here! :(

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/6954/clipboard01fl7.th.png (http://img147.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clipboard01fl7.png)

This is Orion btw...

[Kantham]

Lance 2 is on the way. Head back here tonight, The kismet structure is done and working, I just need to apply it for each level, including Lynat. Lance 2 will boot with 5 levels. Others will come eventually. You will also have the LNC2_.war file if you want to convert your own in easy steps.

[Kantham]

First post updated. You can download a test drive there.

[nELsOn]

downloading now. this is really good news. thanks for putting so much work into this, man :)

[Rohit_N]

Not enjoying the aura around your character when he spawns. I also wished you made death like in single-player, where there are no downs at all, and so characters would immediately ragdoll upon taking too much damage. Also, you start with 24 shotgun shells, but you're still free to pick up ammo on the field to reach 39. Was this intended?

Anyway, still enjoying it.

[Kantham]

Odd that it still goes well. I just noticed put in a wrong .upk file.
I can't make them like single player - they have to fall down on their knew then almost instantly die. I have tried to give them 10000 DMG when they are about to reach the ground but they have that fake god mode when they down. Pretty much the same fake god mode you get when you chainsaw.

I had more work than I expected, they will be released for Halloween - tomorrow.

[darksin]

what a long time wait, it's over and we can enjoy new lance now....


thx!!!!.......

[LiquidLeary]

The AI is tough. Good Job!

[Kantham]

Alright everyone, it's here. Have fun, and feel free to report any bugs. Hope you enjoy this hard piece of work. http://www.kantham.com/lance

[LiquidLeary]

I was actually chainsawed around a blind corner by the AI! They are very challenging, and the new character skins are awesome. This is a major upgrade for LNC!

[Kantham]

I uploaded a video to Youtube. It's 10 minutes long. Facade - Harder - 6v6 with Sine
It may be still processing, it should be available shortly.

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/8035/lnc2videoyl0.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtAuQweIkac)

[Taffer]

"This video is unavailable"

[Kantham]

WTF. I just uploaded it 3 hours ago and I just got back from gym - it's still processing. :\
Should be up tonight I hope. I mean, it's 150 MB...

Rohit_N: You expected the shotgun to have less ammo storage?

[Rohit_N]

Kinda.

Also, I've noticed when White Knight is downed, he doesn't die immediately. Rather, I revived him, only to have him collapse again. I revive him one more time, and he dies.

Also, after he dies, his head somehow becomes Kim's, only blackened.

[Kantham]

Yeah for the helmet going off it's normal. I had to attach anything the door-like way to their heads. So it's tricky, these characters are basically "faked" a lot. As for him not dying, I haven't seen that often, maybe once, have you been getting this more than once?

[Rohit_N]

2 times, so far.

[Kantham]

Have you seen him die without reviving him at least?

[Rohit_N]

Don't recall. Looks like I'll just have to stick by him and see what happens.

[darksin]

well, just played them all,

i should agree with rohit,made death like in single-player, where there are no downs at all, or just remains as lance 1.0,

[darksin]

another thing is enemy jump too often, yes, this is bring more tough battle,
but even when i chainsaw them into pieces, their dead body jump away the same time, just weird...

to be honest,i think lance 1.0 battle seems great enough...

and the protection aura , since we only need them the first time we spawn in map,
but it just got several seconds and the enemy always spawn much slower than that in the same spot,

other time just no need ,because we never spawn with the enemy the same time the same spot.
so i suggest remove them...thx man!!!...

[Kantham]

They evade on damage. This is why it happens.

And thank god the video is up. Bring the volume up, sorry for that.
http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/8035/lnc2videoyl0.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtAuQweIkac)

[darksin]

but dear kantham,that's not real reaction, they should shoot back more instead of evade more ,less jump plz......,

u c when i shoot them, they should shoot back and make cover , now they just jump around to any direction mindless ,just like monkey, even jump at me,

i can shoot them dead more easily now, this make the game more easier...

ie: a locust hide in cover, when i shoot him, he just jump out instead of cover, and i quickly shoot him dead.
this is not evade, this is suicide...:rolleyes:

the end match screen turned white, really hurt eyes,,,
truely hope turn red again....thx!!....

well, just another fun moment, in map orion, when i shoot a cog, he made a evade roll and jump into the sea.....

[Welis]

Okay this one is just awesome as F***.

I'm having a hard time dealing with the AI Bots. They seems more stronger and smarter than the AI from GOW2(From what i've seen on Youtube:p).

Anyway, the White Knight and Sine are wicked awesome! I love that you've replaced the helmet with a REdshirt one (Like Ben Carmine) and the weapon are balanced fairly. Even though, wish you could tweak the hammerbust a bit, it is way too overpowered.
Anyway, it is funny to see the enemy dies, whenever i kill them they dodge to the left or right then dies. It makes me giggle and laugh depends on how it looks.The one time i killed Baird he jumped straight to left and then his head just popped off. Lmao, great thing Kantham.

Above all, i love this mode. Way much better than the previous. Due to much options to make and take, and very balanced and challenging AI.

[Kantham]

Yeah thanks. I thought it was funny at time too. The reason why I plan on keeping the AI dodging is the fact that everything is more fast paced. Sure they can get out of cover mindlessly, but then it's a minor thing when you think they just kept on walking in the first one as you shot them.

[Ashrak]

Had a family tragedy the last few days to deal with so haven't been checking.. but wow.. I cannot wait to play these.


well, just another fun moment, in map orion, when i shoot a cog, he made a evade roll and jump into the sea.....

Haha.. your kidding right?? That would be hilarious...

[Kantham]

Yeah he's not kidding, it really happens. :D

[Whitsel]

Looks great, kantham!!! I was wondering though, is possible that, in the future, what are the chances of AI being able to revive/curbstomp? IMO: its the only thing missing. Thanks much!

[Ashrak]

I just played all of the Lance 2 maps.. Holy crap! Thats fun! I love the faster pace, feels closer to a Live match. I totally dig how the bots will hunt you down and follow you if you run away!!! Haha... I was actually scared for half a second when I realized one of them was trailing me .. even around corners. Lynat is awsome with the better lighting. I will be enjoying these maps for a long while. Thanx for doin it Kantham.. AGAIN!

[buddygz]

im buying gow pc just to play this
looks fun

[darksin]

well, i hope lance 3.0 will make those jump bug fixed, or actually less evade....
and stomp returns........so nobody will jump into the sea or action strange...


since i think gears is a slow pace game , not ut jump and shoot style..thx man.:rolleyes:

[autechrr]

Kantham, Lance 2 is awesome! I've been playing it all weekend long. The two new characters look amazing. Keep em comming!

[Ashrak]

Its easy to snipe the white knight.. just aim for his bright headgear... :p

[BuffyTheSlayer]

your site is down too ...:eek:
can you fix download link please ? :(

[Vardon098]

Hey guys, these characters look really awesome Kantham thank you, the problem I'm having however is that whenever I click on the download file HERE button, or the "see here" link, I am instantly taken to a blank page! help!! :(

[Kantham]

Apparently yes, my site is down. Weird.

[Vardon098]

okay that's cool, Just let me know when it's back up because I'm itching to play it! :D Keep up the great work dude

[Kantham]

Not sure if it will, I'm trying to contact my host, seems to be down if not forever.
I will have to host the files somewhere else.

[darksin]

hi kantham，is it possible to add an unbalance team option?

like 1 vs 9, or 2 vs 8? etc thx......

[Sentro1122]

kantham, can you please upload the files to another source please?

Just got GoW PC and wanted to try this out.


Thanks in advance.

[Kantham]

Sorry for the delay, my host has closed down thus my domain doesn't exist anymore.

Let me know if it works now.
First post updated. (http://forums.epicgames.com/showpost.php?p=25518457&postcount=1)

[cpl.Carmine]

Hey kantham um i really want to play these maps bad but i have a problem.
every time i type open lnc2_(map name) in the console the game quits and i get the following error wargame-g4wlive.exe has expierenced a problem and needs to close or something like that so how do i fix this cause i really want to play

[Kantham]

Sorry, I never heard of that problem. But I remember having issues with custom levels in the past (Game instantly crashing like this after loading). Maybe you need a re-install or patch update.

[Vardon098]

Seriously great add ons man, people who make these really add to the community of Gears for PC. Keep up the great work! If I may make a suggestion though, is there anyway you can add a mod that would add "rounds" into fighting with bots? In that no one including you or bots actually respawns until the match is over, and a new one starts like in a normal multiplayer map?

[Kantham]

There's no mod in Gears of War, just custom levels. Everything you've seen in Lance is extremely faked in Kismet, if we could have access to the uscript that would change everything.

[cpl.Carmine]

yea it seems when ever i try to load a custom map i get a crash.So how do i fix this without having to reinstall the entire game

[Kantham]

I'll be continuing to work on this project. Gears of War 2 is getting boring, especially with the low framerate stuff.

By the way, if anyone is willing to offer me a sub dom/domain or whatever I'd really appreciate this. I'd consider this as a donation.

Thanks.

[darksin]

yeah, hope the lance project goes on. since no gears 2 pc.... 4ever?....

maybe 10 year later we can play it with 360 emulator...

[simon123456]

Can anyone tell me if there is an install utility for this pack? as im getting errors whenever i drag these files in - im going wrong somewhere an can only uses these maps through the Editor? Im using Vista.

Getting a couple of map pack errors when launching Gears aswell....?

[simon123456]

I'll be continuing to work on this project. Gears of War 2 is getting boring, especially with the low framerate stuff.

By the way, if anyone is willing to offer me a sub dom/domain or whatever I'd really appreciate this. I'd consider this as a donation.

Thanks.

I really hope you can make this BIG! because gears 2 has bored me soooo fast! And id LOVE to see the new maps etc!

[Simburgur]

I'll be continuing to work on this project. Gears of War 2 is getting boring, especially with the low framerate stuff.

By the way, if anyone is willing to offer me a sub dom/domain or whatever I'd really appreciate this. I'd consider this as a donation.

Thanks.

http://sites.google.com/<<Win

[Kantham]

Lol no thanks. I got my own HTML/Flash/CSS up, I need a real host

[Starchaser]

Hello, I've been having problems with the map Facade, it's the only custom map I've ever downloaded and it seems that I can't play it.

I type in "open lnc2_facade" in the console, then an error appears.
http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo93/hands_off57/wargame.jpg

I haven't updated to the latest patch yet, because I am unable to due to some issues. If this problem has something to do with my current Gears version, then I probably can't play it since I can't patch. If I may, I want to ask you a favor, I know this is a bit too much for asking, but do you have/can you add bots in an MP map, any map, even just 1, which could be compatible with my game version. I'd greatly appreciate it!

Otherwise, if the patch isn't the problem, does anyone know how I can fix this? I haven't tried to play any other custom map yet though, I'll try to to see if this map isn't the problem.

[simon123456]

Hello, I've been having problems with the map Facade, it's the only custom map I've ever downloaded and it seems that I can't play it.

I type in "open lnc2_facade" in the console, then an error appears.
http://i365.photobucket.com/albums/oo93/hands_off57/wargame.jpg

I haven't updated to the latest patch yet, because I am unable to due to some issues. If this problem has something to do with my current Gears version, then I probably can't play it since I can't patch. If I may, I want to ask you a favor, I know this is a bit too much for asking, but do you have/can you add bots in an MP map, any map, even just 1, which could be compatible with my game version. I'd greatly appreciate it!

Otherwise, if the patch isn't the problem, does anyone know how I can fix this? I haven't tried to play any other custom map yet though, I'll try to to see if this map isn't the problem.



Of course you can - pull out £20 from your packet - go to your gamestore and buy a real copy - install - update latest patch's then run the new maps :)

[cpl.Carmine]

i have the same problem that was the one i was talking about earlier and i have the real game i just cant update as well so how i fix

[Ashrak]

Why would you not be able to update? You can download and install the updates manually.. Whats stopping you? If you can't update then your installation is probably bad. Reinstall.

[cpl.Carmine]

Yea well you see i dont really feel like reinstalling it and I dont wanna lose all my progress and stuff.It would just be to much trouble so Ken if you could help me out it would be great

[Chaotic Wolf]

I've been trying to get it to work, I installed it like it says but for some reason I can't figure out how to work it....it isn't under the gametypes and I don't know how to load it up any other way. Anyone know what my problem is?

[Kantham]

Sorry. The instructions to open it were on my site. I'll update the first post.


Open the console "`", then type open lnc2_mapnamehere then if you want to load the last checkpoint it will work nicely, and you have a history of all your console commands, so you can jump in real quick and just press "`" then the up or down arrow, tap enter and you'll be in as you just booted the game.

Thanks for playing!
Let me know if there's still issues.

[Chaotic Wolf]

Ok, thx, I got it working now, is there any way to play this with a friend or anything? The Invite Friend button is grayed out on my side and I can't invite friends.

[Kantham]

You can't play this with friends.

[darksin]

hi kantham, how about new altar2, thx...........

[Kantham]

Check the thread (http://forums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=629929&page=2)

As for good news, apparently something wrong happened with my domain, they re-configured but something went wrong. I hope to see my website up again.

Other good news is Altar will be beta ready soon, I plan on finishing another I didn't finish, then jump on a Xmas project. No promises here, but these are my plans.

[cpl.Carmine]

how did you get this to work???

[♥♠╚☻ߧ╤Æ®♦♣]

how did you get this to work???

The actual making of lance, of how enemies like cog actually get headshotted!!!.....

no clue, but my guess is they opened up a different map file like the file in

C:\Program Files\Microsoft Games\Gears of War\WarGame\CookedPC\Maps

and opened one of the following:
WarGame_p.war
WarIntermission.war
WarStart.war

Have I tried this...hell no, I ain't going near that stuff, way too easy to screw things up...all I know is it's the actual level itself, you can delete all the kismit and you can still headshot....so there's like an item or something in the level that keeps it from restrictions...

[Ashrak]

I found this on Lynat Factory...

http://img366.imageshack.us/img366/5412/clipboard01ov2.th.jpg (http://img366.imageshack.us/my.php?image=clipboard01ov2.jpg)

[Kantham]

Grats, you found a "easter egg".
I'll add some new ones in my future projects.

[darksin]

a Xmas project.......wow....great news......:o

and i think kantham is also busy with some ut 3 maps, so the update is slow...

good luck in 2009 ,man....:rolleyes:

[Starchaser]

Finally got it to work! :D

Just finished a quick round, and it was pretty good! I wish you good luck with your future projects ;)

Oh and a small request, if you don't mind, could you also upload to mediafire instead of filefront? It's faster and works better than filefront!

[Kantham]

FileFront has always been fast and reliable for me. If this really become an issue then I'll think about moving there.

[LiquidLeary]

Filefront hasn't been an issue for me.

[darksin]

well, filefront is a big huge trouble in some countries,

i always download in midnight, i can't download anything form there in daytime...

afte i click the download button,and tried 20-40times ,then i can download successfully.
but at least i can get the file,better than nothing...

[darksin]

well, i suggest kantham make a mod page on moddb website,

and upload the maps there, since we can download without any trouble there...;)

[Kantham]

Mhh, nice suggestion, thanks for the offering, I'll take a look, not a bad deal.
Even though it isn't a mod, no one can mod this game, you can just map. I faked a SP "mod".

But then if they got a Gears of War section up, why not?
EDIT: They don't seem to have a Gears of war section up. D:

[darksin]

yes, mod or map, both ok,man..;)

moddb is a big site ,more people will know lance there,

we can download so much more quickly and you will never worry about domain down...:cool:

u c i always make good suggestions...

another is remove evade roll and add head stomp,plz

thx man.:D

[LiquidLeary]

Nice job on the outro effect in Lance 2. Lots of cool stuff in there. :)

[Kantham]

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7441/lance2ds2.jpg (http://www.moddb.com/mods/lance)

Downloads will be up shortly.

[darksin]

finally the altar2 will be ready.......

thx for the hard work man...

u c moddb is the perfect place for lance, more people will know this great project......

[♥♠╚☻ߧ╤Æ®♦♣]

u c i always make good suggestions...

I laughed at that because it's true!

[Kantham]

Altar Beta has been uploaded to Mod DB. Download mirrors will be up shortly.

[Rohit_N]

The only thing I can download of Altar is a picture.

[DOHxBl4ckout]

i have to say.. this is one cool ass mod... makes me want to upgrade my pc and get gears

[Kantham]

The only thing I can download of Altar is a picture.

Crap, sorry for this I just fixed it, download may take some time again.. Sorry.
Let me know if it'll work.

[SU1CiD3]

Thanks for playing Lance! Lance 2 is now ready for download
Lance 2 is now on moddb, download approval can take up to 24 hours.

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7441/lance2ds2.jpg (http://www.moddb.com/mods/lance)

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/8035/lnc2videoyl0.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtAuQweIkac)


The current map list - DLs included (http://www.moddb.com/mods/lance/downloads?filter=t&=Search&kw=&type=102)



Change list:


Easier to install.
2 New characters (White Knight and Sine).
Player Spawn protection.
You can now set the player count (5v5 or 6v6).
More lifes.
AI's are harder.
Weapons are more balanced.
Each Faction has their own Wretch appearance.
Character selection screen.


New characters:

WhiteKnight (http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/6919/cogpz8.png)
Sine (http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/2272/geistqc1.png)

Character selection screen: (http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/5975/selectionfv0.jpg)

How to Install:

There's a file that you need to download, first, the GamePack file HERE (http://files.filefront.com/Lance2GameFileszip/;12322826;/fileinfo.html). Then the map files (See above)
Last GamePack file update: 31/10/08. Current version: 1.00

Once you're finished download, all you will have to do is to extract them in the following directory:
C:\Documents and Settings\Computer\My Documents\My Games

NOTE: You will be asked to overwrite the files, just note that it will not overwrite any game files or damage your game for online play.
IMPORTANT: SAY YES!! Otherwise it won't work.

How to Play:

Open the console "`", then type open lnc2_mapnamehere then if you want to load the last checkpoint it will work nicely, and you have a history of all your console commands, so you can jump in real quick and just press "`" then the up or down arrow, tap enter and you'll be in as you just booted the game.




When you Said open the Console What is the console i open up my Gears Of war Game And i have tryed pressing ` "`" both of them and nothing happens where do i download this consoel and how do i set it up so i can just press the button or buttons and it will open please help

[Kantham]

"`" is supposed to open the console (next to key 1). If it doesn't work, make sure your keyboard is set to English.

[LiquidLeary]

LNC2_Sabek mirror link is dead on the moddb.

[Kantham]

Thanks for the heads up, fixing it now.

[ViLsMiK]

hey do you think you could add a small scoreboard so we can identify what team is winning?

also what happened to your No HUD mode? that was really cool feature that has gone missing.

[Kantham]

hey do you think you could add a small scoreboard so we can identify what team is winning?

Not possible with Kismet. This game isn't moddable.


also what happened to your No HUD mode? that was really cool feature that has gone missing.

It's still there. Harder 4 Life -> Insane

[osckod]

Can use the Xmas Map lol?¿

Also u can put how many lifes i have or my team?¿ Also the enemies.. please :3

[Kantham]

I guess I should post WIP all in one place now.

Update:

http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/8862/newscreens0002layer1bd3.th.jpg (http://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newscreens0002layer1bd3.jpg) http://img444.imageshack.us/img444/5387/newscreens0001layer2gr5.th.jpg (http://img444.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newscreens0001layer2gr5.jpg) http://img387.imageshack.us/img387/7426/newscreens0000layer4xf7.th.jpg (http://img387.imageshack.us/my.php?image=newscreens0000layer4xf7.jpg)

[darksin]

is this based on your room?.........

[Ly1e]

omg that looks sooooo cool!!! lol :p

[Taffer]

Hey Kantham.

How do I convert maps to Lance? As it's winter break I've finally found time but as you've moved to ModDB I can't seem to find the old tutorial for how to convert maps to this gametype.

[Kantham]

Hi Taffer. I will try to add a tutorial on there with the download link. hanks for showing interest. I'll keep you updated. I've been having tons of PM's since my domain is down concerning my tutorials not working anymore.

[Taffer]

No problem, it's cool. While the maps I've made aren't a waste as I can use them in a portfolio, it would be awesome to give people the ability to play them in singleplayer, considering how nonexistant custom MP map playing is.

What do you use to compress file sizes for maps? I usually just send them to a zipped file by right clicking the folder, but do you have any suggestions for shedding off more?

[Kantham]

I too use Window's built-in ZIP compressor. If you want a lower filesize then I suggest you make sure to remove lightning on BSP surfaces that are not seen by the player, and don't go overboard with the lightmap resolution. Depending on the scale, lightmaps can take up to 30 MB.

I added the tutorial. Like everything else it awaits approval. ModDB is a very nice place to upload and share, but seriously, after rank 3 they should by-pass the approval BS...

[Taffer]

Do you cook your maps or copy them when you publish? I've found out that your lance maps seem to take a while to load, but I was unsure whether that was due to copying them to publish or if it occurs because of the lance gametype itself.

I'm eagerly awaiting the tutorial. Unfortunately I leave for Japan tomorrow... but I still have a lot of free time after I get back so it might still be a week or two before you hear back from me on the lance maps.

[Lucian04]

I'm having a problem with Lance 2. Now I've downloaded every Lance 2 map on Moddb and installed them correctly (I'm not a noob when it comes to mods.).. My issue is,when I load up one of the Lance 2 maps via console I run into these two issues:



1) Character Models do not show up during the model selection phase. The little creeper guy is to the left as always from every vid I've seen, but the character you choose does not display any model.

2) No matter what model I chose, I start as Marcus. The worst part about it is that while the battle is raging on, I'm stuck in a damn spawn box looking at a stupid Question Mark! Every time I take a screen cap of it, it comes out pitch black so I'm not even going to bother posting it.


Am I doing something wrong? I do have GOW and Windows Live updated to the latest versions and the Lance 2 maps are the only modded files I have installed for GOW.

[ViLsMiK]

do you think you could do a video tutorial for this?

youtube?

[Taffer]

I got up to the last step. I just can't seem to find the "Camera Zones" you're talking about. I found the part where you're supposed to rename it as your own map name, but I have no idea where to find the camera zones section. Is it in the kismet settings where the spawn points were?

[ViLsMiK]

please do a video tutorial

it could save me alot of time as i have maps that i want to convert using your method.

[ViLsMiK]

if i have no custom packages do i skip those steps, im using a old custom mod that was abanded? im not sure if it has any?

also how do i do all the kismet stuff. lol sorry im a noob

[ViLsMiK]

OMG Kantham i done it! you are a true genius :P EPIC HIRE THIS MAN ASAP

i just need some more testing to see if i got it right

why is the lighting not transferring over with some of my maps, i dont know how to rename the packages please help?

[ViLsMiK]

1 more question if anybody knows.

how can i add already built characters like The Stranded Characters or even some custom characters which were made by someone else (ie The Detox characters) in lance?

is this possible, if so is it difficult?

[Kantham]

Do you cook your maps or copy them when you publish?

Never for Gears. Cooking is a joke and shouldn't exist, IMO.


I've found out that your lance maps seem to take a while to load, but I was unsure whether that was due to copying them to publish or if it occurs because of the lance gametype itself.

Really? I did the test for myself, and didn't see any long loading times, takes 8-9 seconds to load from here. Here are my specs if that helps.

CPU: Inel Q6600
RAM: 4 GB 800MHZ on 32 BIT OS (Read as 3.2GB)
GPU: 8800 GTS 320 MB DDR3


I got up to the last step. I just can't seem to find the "Camera Zones" you're talking about.

Lol oops. That was from Lance one (The end cameras), I need to remove that part. Thanks for the heads up. I'll update my tutorial a bit.

[ViLsMiK]

so Kantham can you help me with my questions i put on the last page?

[Kantham]

Sounds like trouble.

Especially the custom character. I don't know how things work with archetypes and entirely custom characters. The way I've made my "own" characters is rather simple in a way, I just made a custom material, then when the character spawn a material is applied to it. And a Interp Actor helmet with specific lightning and entire collision removal is attached to the neck bone IIRC.

[ViLsMiK]

ok sounds tricky.

i dont know how to save my packages so it can transfer all my things over to the lnc2 version

eg it uses default lighting on some removing my custom ones

[ViLsMiK]

is there individual spawns for locust & COGS in the LNC2 kismet or is it always randomly chosen?

[Abyssal Nova]

This looks awesome, trying it out now! :D

[Taffer]

Never for Gears. Cooking is a joke and shouldn't exist, IMO.

Well that explains why my file sizes are so much larger.


Lol oops. That was from Lance one (The end cameras), I need to remove that part. Thanks for the heads up. I'll update my tutorial a bit.


Yea it seemed to work without that part. Two problems that I have found, however, are that 1) Once the game ends it does that awesome fading to white thing, but then it stopped and I was left wandering around. Is that normal? The second thing was that it worked the first time, but the second time I strangely spawned in the starting box (The question mark made of street barricade cover was a nice touch). It might just be a weird problem I did, so I will check it out when I get back from Japan in a week or two.

Thanks for all the help dude.

[Kantham]

Yea it seemed to work without that part. Two problems that I have found, however, are that 1) Once the game ends it does that awesome fading to white thing, but then it stopped and I was left wandering around. Is that normal?

Yes, you need to assign the console command at the bottom (Named map restart next to the pathnodes) to your map name so every time the white fade is finished, the game restarts the map.



The second thing was that it worked the first time, but the second time I strangely spawned in the starting box (The question mark made of street barricade cover was a nice touch). It might just be a weird problem I did, so I will check it out when I get back from Japan in a week or two.

Have you tested it from the editor? If you launched it in-game from the console, it's definitively a weird issue.

[Kantham]

Just an update on the Xmas map. I've been working on it for past few days, I've been quite busy with the holiday stuff. I don't really know what to do with it (Gameplay) Most of the things I have tried didn't turn out well. However I have much better ideas in mind for other traditional industrial setups, and a old layout which I never released who could use a hand.. I'll release Altar final, and then see what I can do.

[Taffer]

Figured I should post to ensure that I'm not abandoning this and I'm still commited.

JUST got back from vacation. Tonight is New Year's Eve, but starting tomorrow it should be smooth sailing to getting all of this sorted out and (hopefully) there will be six additional maps added to the Lance gametype.

[darksin]

there will be six additional maps added to the Lance gametype


that's great news taffer,hope more mappers come to this project...

[Taffer]

The problem is persisting.

Basically, whether played through the editor or the console ingame, the game lets me go thru the opening options screen. I choose difficulty, character, etc. but instead of spawning ME at a pathnode, it spawns me at the WarTeamSpawnPoint in the box where the options are. I've tested it, and I can move the spawn point outside of the box, it'll go thru the options correctly with the camera in the right place, then it'll spawn me only at that spawn point.

I've also noticed that all of my teammates and all of the enemies spawn correctly, as I see indications of my teammates fighting and getting downed, and it the revive indicator that shows where your downed teammate is points towards the main map.

Another thing that's happening is that whenever I open one of my LNC2_whatever maps, a box comes up at the beginning in the editor saying that it was unable to find the gamepack. I've checked, and files are in their proper places.

[JumaAm]

Could you convert these maps into normal MP (non-bot) maps. Thanks.

[Taffer]

Figured it out.

I was unaware that you had to load the gamepack EVERY time you alter your map. That was pretty much the only problem.

For some reason selecting everything from my map to bring it into the LNC2_ file randomly chooses not to work, though. Once it decided to copy everything but the lights, another time everything but the cover links, and another time everything but the blocking volumes. It's not really a problem as I can go reselect those missing things, but it's still odd.

[kalleoskar]

your bot code rocks! :D, is there possible to implent something in the botcode so you can play like aneex or diffrentss mode? would be fun:), hop ur having a greaat holiday!

[Kantham]

HD Screenshots (NEW) (http://www.moddb.com/mods/lance/images)

Altar is almost finished.
Taffer, hope to see some from you. :)

I think I'll be able to add you as a member staff if you have a account there.

[Ghostofdelta2]

Thanks for playing Lance! Lance 2 is now ready for download
Lance 2 is now on moddb, download approval can take up to 24 hours (Every time a new map is added).

http://img341.imageshack.us/img341/7441/lance2ds2.jpg (http://www.moddb.com/mods/lance)

HD Screenshots (New) (http://www.moddb.com/mods/lance/images)

http://img66.imageshack.us/img66/8035/lnc2videoyl0.jpg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KtAuQweIkac)


The current map list - DLs included (http://www.moddb.com/mods/lance/downloads?filter=t&=Search&kw=&type=102)



Change list:


Easier to install.
2 New characters (White Knight and Sine).
Player Spawn protection.
You can now set the player count (5v5 or 6v6).
More lifes.
AI's are harder.
Weapons are more balanced.
Each Faction has their own Wretch appearance.
Character selection screen.


New characters:

WhiteKnight (http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/6919/cogpz8.png)
Sine (http://img520.imageshack.us/img520/2272/geistqc1.png)

Character selection screen: (http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/5975/selectionfv0.jpg)

How to Install:

There's a file that you need to download, first, the GamePack file HERE (http://files.filefront.com/Lance2GameFileszip/;12322826;/fileinfo.html). Then the map files (See above)
Last GamePack file update: 31/10/08. Current version: 1.00

Once you're finished download, all you will have to do is to extract them in the following directory:
C:\Documents and Settings\Computer\My Documents\My Games

NOTE: You will be asked to overwrite the files, just note that it will not overwrite any game files or damage your game for online play.
IMPORTANT: SAY YES!! Otherwise it won't work.

How to Play:

Open the console "`", then type open lnc2_mapnamehere then if you want to load the last checkpoint it will work nicely, and you have a history of all your console commands, so you can jump in real quick and just press "`" then the up or down arrow, tap enter and you'll be in as you just booted the game.

You sir, are awesome!

[Kantham]

Altar uploaded. Download should be up shortly after approval.

[ToKeSs420]

Really awesome map collection although I wasnt able to load a couple thats likely my fault being its the first time am using pc mods ever...

Bots are perfectly competitive only one thing I didnt like much was there instant death after downing I suppose its nessesary to run bots but anyway great maps non the less thanks..

[VosQ]

Thanks for releasing Altar, been waiting for it! Here's my feedback:

- The lighting is so much better this time. No more too-dark-to-see corridor. Love it.
- What happened with the surrounding mountain? I especially love that part of the map, just seeing mountains beyond the horizon really gives a chilly atmosphere,
- I ran into some clipping bug around the tunnel area. My character literally walks through the barriers. Here I attached a screenshot:
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4460/altarbugnq2.th.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=altarbugnq2.jpg)
- And last, is there a chance for you to release a daylight theme? Don't get me wrong, I like the new dark atmosphere, but after playing with the beta a lot, I kinda like the daylight theme better.

Anyway, awesome map like usual! Thanks a lot, it's people like you that keeps Gears community alive!

[darksin]

finally altar final is out, what a long time, thx for all the enhancement, the map is much more brighter, even it's nightime...

i love the street lamp, the cable on ground, the sky is dark, yes, maybe some stars and a moon could look better, and a little colliosion bug, not very important, no effect to battle.

map still optimized great, gameplay is fun as usual, now we got 2 heroes for lance maps, thx!!...

[symphonyhell]

there is a possibility to see the score?
ie: as in normal multiplayer?

thanks;)

[darksin]

how can the moderator just delete vilsmik's lance post,


there's no complain at all, all people love it,

[Kantham]

This project is now discontinued for clown countermeasures. And of course the bottom pit is that this community is very small. More like one guy playing this mod using cheats. Why bothering. Anyway I enjoyed supporting this mod but unfortunately I have gotten a little too much credit since BurnedInternal is the main creator. I have skipped the credit in the second version of this project. I shouldn't have. Sorry for that.

I'm just going to sit back at UT3 again where I can get what this mod gives me RETAIL.
If you care so much about what Vilsmik has to say, take note he's been banned multiple times on this forum. I raise my glass o' whine to this clown for making me realize how much hard work I've put for nothing in here. Like the guy would say, high school stuff really.

Later guys.

[darksin]

he's been banned multiple times on this forum.?


so this lance is over?.......what a loss, farewell.man...

[MechaMarth]

he's been banned multiple times on this forum.?sorry but r u kidding?

Meaning different accounts like ViLLan, NeW ViLLan, and I lost track from there, just like poor Phayte who went through like 7 accounts........

This mod being cancelled is quite sad, but it truly shows how limited this editor is, we can't make custom weapons or gametypes, we just have to hope through kismit we can achieve something...

No other gametype can really be made, I've been very happy playing mp maps from lance which I never would have, like MP_Pipeline among others...

I hope that only 2 more things be accomplished before gow 2 on pc comes out....

1. Locust Campaign....Gorets you will never be finished that at the rate you're going....

2. Having more maps coverted to Lance......

Kantham, you and BurnedInternal worked fantastic on this editor, despite it being "handi-capable"....I only hope you come back to create lance for gow 2 on pc when/if it comes out....

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To ease the pain let us try this map for lance (http://startdownload.filefront.com/12860674//136ab2f66c52668c2ab07d549dd3d3cda317e4ef40e50efbb0 10188eee81b41734ff36d488949e02//), something that hasn't been made put on the forums.....all credit goes to author who made it......etc.

~MechaMarth

[MozI]

how can the moderator just delete vilsmik's lance post,


there's no complain at all, all people love it,

I did not like it at all, he took my work without asking.

Praise should not be given for **** like that.

First and last post on the subject.... back to work now.

Kantham good to see you coming back to UT 3 :)

[LiquidLeary]

Anyway I enjoyed supporting this mod but unfortunately I have gotten a little too much credit since BurnedInternal is the main creator. I have skipped the credit in the second version of this project. I shouldn't have. Sorry for that.

This has always been in the back of my mind, but I imagined Burned was happy to see his work live on. Anyway, thanks for your contributions to a small community. I am sure you will do well back in the UT3 world. I will definitely drop by when I get a chance.


This mod being cancelled is quite sad, but it truly shows how limited this editor is, we can't make custom weapons or gametypes, we just have to hope through kismit we can achieve something...
~MechaMarth

It is much more difficult, and brings the question of whether it is worth the extra effort with UT3 down the street. Gears does have a certain appeal though, and I wouldn't necessarily give up on it completely. It just takes the extra time to make it work. Custom Gametypes are certainly possible, as seen in this thread.

[darksin]

thx to MechaMarth!!,try it now....thx man!!!

actually people like me just want some offline gameplay. lance did it. other bot maps did it,

to mozi, yes, i c you get angry , he used the map without asking, acutally without his work, we'll never play pipeline,
i don't like windowslive form the beginning, i love UT bot option, not many games today got this important feature,
there're many players like me love bot match, it's not very hard for a mapper to enable this, but mappers seldom do,
yes, it's your choice, but i do hope you mappers can add bot to MP,

to be honest, most mappers here seems don't like or interest in making bot map like lance, they only made a mp, did many people still play them now? i don't think so, these great maps have been forgotten, i think that's why epic add bot to gears2just bring more fun...

i played lance maps for nearly a year, and still play them and enjoy, one day when that ridiculous live is gone or changed
we can still play these maps against bot without any trouble...

finally i hope lnc2_custom is not the last lance map i played...!!!

[Crayfish]

This is a massive blow to the GOW dev scene.. Kantham I really hope you reconsider and stay involved in the GOW scene in one way or another.
I had no idea this guys was using peoples work without permission, especialy with changing the levels themselves like in MoZi's Pipline (dont mess with perfection..), but please dont let one persons actions blind you to the genuine community appreciation of your work.

[Taffer]

What did Vilsmik say?

[Rohit_N]

Aaaand I just uninstalled Gears.

Now I'll just have to try and enjoy UT3. At least enough to finish the campaign.

[Ashrak]

I really have no idea whats going on here.. I just play the maps. I really got more enjoyment out of the Lance maps then playing on Live or the single player game itself. As far as I'm concerned Kantham is largely responsible for that. Sorry to hear your leaving Kantham, certainly hope you reconsider. Gears is staying on my HDD for a good long time and I will be playing many of the awsome maps released here on these forums for a long time to come. Thanx to everyone involved with this Lance mod.

[darksin]

well, i just played lance 2 -custom, thx for doing a new map,

sth. need improve, first, too dark, truely hope add more lighting,
second, many dead end road, bot seldom go there, i hope change map to a go around
all access level design for bot , so they can go anywhere,
finally, maybe more post processing work.

thx for the author did this great work,!!! and i do hope more people come to make lance project,
it's the best gears mod and need go on...

[Kantham]

I think you didn't understand.

It's discontinued because it used someone's work from scratch and then modified. There isn't going to be no more issues, people get back to their own things and no one will be called theft again.

[kalleoskar]

heey, been away for a week or so, logged in as soon i was home and the first thing i saw was lance 2 discontiued :/ im guessing that nobody will keep on working on bots maps, which is really sad, but i understand why you are mad that he stole your work.. =/

i just hope someone, with your approval, can and will contuine you work, havnt enoyed gow as much in long time since i started to play all of your guys map! you are what keeps us playing and keeping us happy, gow wasnt meant to me moddable at all, just think that you have done the impoosible, they dont know what they are missing, eversingle one of your mapmakers are heroes!

[NastyNoodle]

Ok, ive been reading and have eventually got a little fed up. Kantham, stop being so childish, we all know that youre the driving force behind lance, as burned internal doesnt seem to have been on for at least two months.

Mozi, I understand completely, but if your honest to yourself, how many people do you see actually playing your map online? At least with lance added they get the chance to properly appreciate it.

And Vilsmik, dont stop converting, just make sure you give the credit where its due.

[kalleoskar]

:/ sorry if i said something wrong, its to bad you cannot forgive and contiune your work:/ but i will never stop hopeing..

[MechaMarth]

I think you didn't understand.

It's discontinued because it used someone's work from scratch and then modified. There isn't going to be no more issues, people get back to their own things and no one will be called theft again.

We all knew you took BurnedInternals work and then modified it, that doesn't make you a thief. Don't be so hard on yourself, there's nothing wrong with that.

~MechaMarth

[darksin]

u c we all know the orinigal author of lance and those vilsmik's maps,
he is not a thief, he give us chance to play those old already forgotten mp. and he mention's the original author's name,
not his own. maybe he got no permission, but you can talk to him, that dosen't means give up the whole project.

it's very rude to ban sb. or just simply delete his post...

nobody play those mp online today, they are burried in dust and been forgotten for a long time,
vilsmik bring them back to life, all gears pc player thank to those who bring new bot map for us,
but if kantham stop this, i hope other people can continue, lance bot match is for all of us...

[kalleoskar]

darksin, good news, burning has continued to work on his bot code and maps:D this news made me so happy today.D

[xShazzze]

I can't wait to Finish Installing, I wanna try this out thanks dude.

[darksin]

that's great, burned is back, but i don't think he will start soon,
also make original map is really slow, we will be lucky if these talent mappers can make 1 or 2 lance map in a month, converting other mp is much more quicker, just likie vilsmik did, or we only got 5 lance maps in a year to play.
but those map author had left and others here don't show many interest, only few of them like bot convertion,

[Kantham]

Or you could learn level design yourself.
You're so up for it, I just don't get why you don't take the path yourself.

[kalleoskar]

i would try and learn, but im not so smart:/

[NastyNoodle]

dont know whats gotten into yoiu kantham

[Kantham]

i would try and learn, but im not so smart:/

Lol. It's not about smartness really, it's all about will and patience. I've been doing level editing since early 2003, and I'm starting to get kind of good. Yet some people got nice artistic talents, in a few weeks they can overtake me by simply learning the editor and it's functions.

[Ashrak]

I used to make WADs for Doom and Doom 2 back in the day.. Does that count??

[WwGlaciuswW]

I made 4 original mp maps with lance2. But I need Kantham authorization for this.
MP GoldRush, Sanctuary, Subway, Shallow (Canals).

[kalleoskar]

ye i guess so:) i want to learn the whole kismet thing, that seems be the way to go to modd gears, just saw on ismisks moddpage that nasty nooddly is soon finsished with a gears of war 2 map:D got me sooo exitited, and then that burning is working at new thing aswell, this is very exiting for us pc gamers:D

[kalleoskar]

ofcourese nothing of this would be possible if it werent for you kantham, big thanks to you :), i was really wrong when i though gears 1 comminty was dead, u made me belive again ^^

[Kantham]

I made 4 original mp maps with lance2. But I need Kantham authorization for this.
MP GoldRush, Sanctuary, Subway, Shallow (Canals).

Thanks for asking. Go ahead.

[xShazzze]

Hey, I'm installing GOW as I type this I wanna try this map so badly i hope i dont run into any errors.

[WwGlaciuswW]

Thanks for asking. Go ahead.

Thanks Kantham.

[darksin]

hi ,WwGlaciuswW, glad to see you are back,
your work always rocks...hope more include those you haven't done yet ,
like conservatory, rooftops, ravendown.etc, thx man!!


PS: making game is defferent from playing game, those who love play games didn't mean
he must make a game for enjoyment, some people love make maps, others just love to play maps...
different people have defferent interest,

we got a lot of things to do, and it's great fun to play gears in spare time, instead of making maps yourself, simple and fun.
making map is not fun for a player, it's a hobby for mappers here to make maps, but for a player, we just want more maps to play,

gamers bought gears means to play, not make maps, but since so many nice mappers here who can bring more fun to gameplay, extend the original gameplay, why not we ask for more, bot maps always welcome, and they also love to make new maps, they found fun in making and we found fun in playing,

just like we gamers want gear 2 come to pc, and gears 3 the same, more gears content on pc to play, more better,
but the maker Epic refused to do so...they don't like additional work, so we got other games to play, other choices...

[kalleoskar]

thats right darksin, what epic dont have time for, or dont feeling like to do, kantham, burning and many others do, epic should listen to the commuty more instead of listening to the sounds of money..

[darksin]

u r right kalleoskar

and also, there're many games communnity out there making maps and mods for game players ,
because they just love it, and they really good at it, if you do, do the best.
they make sth. valuable and share it to all the people, also players collect feedbacks to the author so he could improve,

most people here are players, not modders or mappers. and not everyone is good at making maps or making a mod like lance.
so we ask those who good at it to make sth. really more enjoyble, not learn the editor ourselves and finally make nothing better than those modders, but waste our time. mapping and modding is for nice patient unreal editor users who really familiar with it and will spend a lot of time on it, not for normal common players.

[kalleoskar]

hey darksin, u gotta try out high tide :D, bots really good, and beatiful map, but beware of the water_Ohahaha

[xShazzze]

I've got a problem with the Maps for some random reason it puts me in a Boz with a Question mark in it.

[LiquidLeary]

I've got a problem with the Maps for some random reason it puts me in a Boz with a Question mark in it.

You probably missed something in the install. Make sure the .ini files are in the right location, etc.

[xShazzze]

K 'll try.