There are no words for how badass this thing is...........

[R-66Y]

Here (http://beastcomputers.co.uk/beast-aphros-qx.php). That thing really is a beast! You could max out ut3 and crysis at the same time lmao!

[shombowhore]

Looks like my PC, with an uglier case and minus 2GB RAM.

Except it costs more, and includes an unnecessary cooling system that could potentially ruin the machine... I've always hated the idea of having water anywhere near expensive electronics. A massive heatsync/fan combo will do just fine, even for OC'ing.

(Build your own PC, kids.)

[Euxeus]

Nothing compared to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnIvodB2RzU&eurl

[Shadow]I[]

you can already max out ut3 at a 1920x1200 res with a $1000 budget or less nowa'days

[Henrik]

massive heatsink

Fixed it for ya

[tWc_imminent]

Nothing compared to this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DnIvodB2RzU&eurl

4 cards? wtf I thought 3 was the max for mobos right now

[Teckniec]

4 cards? wtf I thought 3 was the max for mobos right now

I like mine better that one seems a little much of course mine sounds like a jet engine

[oldkawman1]

Looks like my PC, with an uglier case and minus 2GB RAM.
Except it costs more, and includes an unnecessary cooling system that could potentially ruin the machine... I've always hated the idea of having water anywhere near expensive electronics. A massive heatsync/fan combo will do just fine, even for OC'ing.
(Build your own PC, kids.)

Liquid cooling is now totally mainstream and safe. Koolance EXOS2 makes it easy. Here is what I did this last weekend,

http://www.oldkawman.com/liquid_cooling.html

Works great, easy to install, and not a budget breaker, ~$350 for an SLI system.
Much quieter than any air cooled setup, no need for VGA fans or CPU fans as well as minimal case fans. Liquid heat transfer numbers are so much better than air, it's just basic thermodynamics (Physics 101 stuff). Quieter and cooler for the OC in a single complete high quality package totally rules.

[Teckniec]

Liquid cooling is now totally mainstream and safe. Koolance EXOS2 makes it easy. Here is what I did this last weekend,

http://www.oldkawman.com/liquid_cooling.html

Works great, easy to install, and not a budget breaker, ~$350 for an SLI system.
Much quieter than any air cooled setup, no need for VGA fans or CPU fans as well as minimal case fans. Liquid heat transfer numbers are so much better than air, it's just basic thermodynamics (Physics 101 stuff). Quieter and cooler for the OC in a single complete high quality package totally rules.

How are they on energy consumption versus fans?

[oldkawman1]

4 cards? wtf I thought 3 was the max for mobos right now

Yeah, a waste of money, any more than 2 SLI in minimal

http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3183&p=3

crossfire is another story, 3X is Top Dog

http://techreport.com/articles.x/14686/8

[MonsOlympus]

Looks like my PC, with an uglier case and minus 2GB RAM.

Except it costs more, and includes an unnecessary cooling system that could potentially ruin the machine... I've always hated the idea of having water anywhere near expensive electronics. A massive heatsync/fan combo will do just fine, even for OC'ing.

(Build your own PC, kids.)

Pretty sure its not straight water, as with cars your are meant to use coolant otherwise the metal corrodes.

I tend to agree though hey, a decent heatsink and fan works well you can get pretty good o'clocks with air now anyways.

Ewww, that is a pretty subpar case you could do so much better for that price. Like I suggest to everyone invest in a good case, mobo and psu before anything else because its easy enough to change the other stuff out, cases/psu's tend to last through acouple of upgrades if you pay for quality also. Not only that but a good psu can lengthen the life of all your gear by providing them with cleaner power.

Ive never been a fan of exposed innards, seems theres enough ads around already, dont need to subject my friends to that kinda thing :eek::p

[oldkawman1]

How are they on energy consumption versus fans?

Uses 2X 120mm fans and a pump, requires a single 4 pin dongle, pump is ~0.43 amps 12V, total < 1.5 amps according to the box. Liquid cooling has much higher capacity per energy used, so it will us less power to remove more heat. Much quieter than an air cooler setup.

Check it out, http://www.koolance.com

FYI, keep away from children and idiots as liquid adds complexity. leaky leaky! gravity rules!

[dickbird]

Feast your eyes on this Sleek, Off-White Beauty.


Coated with only the finest Bondo, Rustoleum All Purpose Spray Paint, and refrigerator magnets.

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/4974/dscf0132avv7.jpg


Featuring the very latest in High Tech Temperature Management Instrumentation.

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/7919/dscf0134abj1.jpg


And inside, She is even More Beautiful.

http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/4005/dscf0138afm7.jpg

[xtruder_]

Works great, easy to install, and not a budget breaker, ~$350 for an SLI system.

Are you serious? $350 is about how much you'd expect to pay for the video cards to an SLI system, but the cooling should be nowhere near that. if you're spending more than $100 on 3rd party cooling for your entire system, then you're either overclocking (which is stupid for any practical purposes, imo) or it sounds like you're living without air conditioning, on the Equator. Stock cooling should be just fine in most cases.

[dickbird]

I'm sure watercooling works fine, I just don't find it necessary and I don't want to spend the money on it. I suppose it probably involves more maintenance as well, but maybe not. Anyway I have a pile of dusty old box fans and superglue is 3 tubes for a buck.

I would like to try this business where people route all their cables behind the motherboard tray. I'd have to take it all apart and cut some holes in the tray though. Don't know when I'll get around to that. Maybe at next upgrade.

[Insidiae]

Pretty sure its not straight water, as with cars your are meant to use coolant otherwise the metal corrodes.

I tend to agree though hey, a decent heatsink and fan works well you can get pretty good o'clocks with air now anyways.

Ewww, that is a pretty subpar case you could do so much better for that price. Like I suggest to everyone invest in a good case, mobo and psu before anything else because its easy enough to change the other stuff out, cases/psu's tend to last through acouple of upgrades if you pay for quality also. Not only that but a good psu can lengthen the life of all your gear by providing them with cleaner power.

Ive never been a fan of exposed innards, seems theres enough ads around already, dont need to subject my friends to that kinda thing :eek::p

Ofcourse water cooling systems use some different kind of fluids but I get his idea, tho I can't believe such a water cooling system is dangerous to the system and if it is I hope it comes with good waranty :P

[oldkawman1]

Are you serious? $350 is about how much you'd expect to pay for the video cards to an SLI system, but the cooling should be nowhere near that. if you're spending more than $100 on 3rd party cooling for your entire system, then you're either overclocking (which is stupid for any practical purposes, imo) or it sounds like you're living without air conditioning, on the Equator. Stock cooling should be just fine in most cases.


Overclocking the CPU is a great way to gain performance. Buying the wrong cpu is what is stupid. When you can do the OC and get the same performance as much more expensive processors, it's stupid not to. Just look at the prices of the Core 2 Extreme chips, all over $1K. By doing the OC, you can get equivalent or nearly equivalent performance with a ~$200 chip. Even with a liquid cooling setup, you still save money. But, high end items like liquid cooling are not what you want to buy if your on a tight budget. So, it depends on your overall budget for your build and the performance you want.

The system I built is almost silent. Quiet is nice, but quiet is hard with high cfm fans. This cooling system can be re-used on the next upgrade and the ones after that. Same as high quality cases and power supplies. These items are considered long term infrastructure. Costs are spread out over multiple builds and many years of service. My oldest Lian Li case is 7 years old now and has seen 4 systems in it and 2 power supplies. Again, high end items are not what you buy if your on a tight budget.

[MonsOlympus]

One of the problems I find with liquid cooling is that you need to replace the heatsinks with blocks alot of the time to get more out of your money. There is certainly mobo's and gpu's that come stock with blocks they are usually more expensive but the quality could be higher since they arnt generic parts.

Id be wondering though is it a good idea to run a northbridge, cpu and gpu blocks all off 1 radiator? I guess it depends on the size but Id think that as the coolant heats up and moves past the first two it'll be rather warm by the time it hits the gpu which wont be as efficient. Maybe it works on the principal that the liquid will disperse the heat so it doesnt make much difference except at the raditor temp end.

I dunno hey the northbridge is mainly the thing thats held me back in the past, Im sure a gpu block is easy enough and cpu block would be breezy but Id be looking to get a mobo with the block already on there. Just seems too much of a hastle trying to get the old one off :p

[oldkawman1]

One of the problems I find with liquid cooling is that you need to replace the heatsinks with blocks alot of the time to get more out of your money. There is certainly mobo's and gpu's that come stock with blocks they are usually more expensive but the quality could be higher since they arnt generic parts.

Id be wondering though is it a good idea to run a northbridge, cpu and gpu blocks all off 1 radiator? I guess it depends on the size but Id think that as the coolant heats up and moves past the first two it'll be rather warm by the time it hits the gpu which wont be as efficient. Maybe it works on the principal that the liquid will disperse the heat so it doesnt make much difference except at the raditor temp end.

I dunno hey the northbridge is mainly the thing thats held me back in the past, Im sure a gpu block is easy enough and cpu block would be breezy but Id be looking to get a mobo with the block already on there. Just seems too much of a hastle trying to get the old one off :p

I would have liked to use a water block on the chipset, but, due to the location, I could not. Like on many AMD boards, the chipset is right under the video card. So, this would depend on board layout. By using liquid to remove the heat, the inside of the case is now only slightly warmer than ambient, resulting in lower temps for all other components.

Liquid cooling is ~20 times better than air to remove heat, so even though it's at a slightly higher temperature than air, it still lowers the temps better than air. I cool the GPU after the CPU and temps on the 7900GTX, 70C at load, are 20C lower than the 7950GT, 90C at load, is on my other box. My EXOS2 is rated at 700 watts cooling capacity. There are larger capacity units and you can also add another radiator..

FYI, the liquid is 75% distilled water, the rest is propylene glycol and stuff like that. Much like antifreeze with additives to prevent anything from growing in it. Good for 2 years before you need to change it. My system holds just under 700cc.

[MonsOlympus]

70c jesus, mine gets to around 60-65c and I thought that was getting bad... Maybe I can crank alittle more outta my 7950gt then :D

My ye old prescott is up to 3.6ghz under load under 60c but I cant crank it up any higher without adjusting the ram and thats kinda stuck cause I only got a large increment in my memory voltage. I heard they get dodgy at 3.8ghz anyways but it woulda been a nice test since I got alittle headroom with the temps.

Thanks for the info hey ;) I might look into it, I was kinda thinking of running 1 low speed 120mm fan with liquid cooling to keep the ambient case temp alittle lower. Shouldnt make a big difference over noise, not as loud as I got now... you can kinda imagine my list of fans is longer than the rest of the parts in my case :p

[CrazyChiken]

only 2000 pounds, GET YOUR'S TODAY.
-_-" i will stick with my ps3 -_-"

[dickbird]

When you can do the OC and get the same performance as much more expensive processors, it's stupid not to.

No thanks. There's no application I need the equivalent of that thousand dollar cpu for. I'm not doing 3D medical tomagraphy, I'm running UT3.

Nor do I want to go through the trouble of trying to coax nominal performance out of truly cut rate junk. Why should I put myself through that, when the 'sweet spot' of maximal return for dollars spent is not prohibitively expensive.

I'd rather run the hardware according to manufacturer's intent, as far as possible. It's more intrinsically reliable that way.

Of course, those fancy setups do look nice. I'm sure the 'bling value' alone sells a lot of them. Regardless of what people actually need this junk to do...

But I doubt they're saving money. That high end performance is a moving target just like the "sweet spot" stuff, and year by year I'm sure the followers of somewhat shinier objects look up and feel a need to move on like everyone else does. Got to have something modern to look at under those little blue and red tubes.

Nope. Maybe someday if there's applications that really stress the available hardware, but not for now.

Though to be fair I'm sure there's lots of folks who really do need that extra performance, for something or other.

http://img131.imageshack.us/img131/9812/dscf0072aaa2.jpg

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