Im working on CTF-Face, and Id like some feedback.. [Archive]

{SotC}Karn

12-04-2007, 07:58 PM

Well guys, this is the first map ive ever done, but I really wanted it to be remade.

Its going well so far, but I was wondering if people thought I should stick religously to the old version, or adjust things to suit the new game.

Firstly, I was thinking about replacing the weapons at the rear of the fortress with WeaponLockers so that respawning players can get involved quickly and help with the pace of the level.

I was also considering replacing the mid-ground with proper terrain rather than the old asteroid and space theme, but I found it difficult to create terrain which was similar to the old version, and it was impossible to make a hole in the middle.

This is how its looking so far, I've gone with an oriental theme, two opposing temples.

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3507/facejv3.th.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=facejv3.jpg)

http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/9840/face2ia6.th.jpg (http://img228.imageshack.us/my.php?image=face2ia6.jpg)

Any other feedback would be great too....

{SotC}Karn

12-04-2007, 08:01 PM

So that you know, the internal layout is practically identical. The teleports lead to the same weapons/pickups and storeys as they used to and running around it feels very much like the old map.

Bret Hart

12-04-2007, 08:02 PM

A china face? What?

{SotC}Karn

12-04-2007, 08:04 PM

A china face? What?

I liked the oriental theme, dont suppose ti really matters that much.

Jagnot

12-04-2007, 08:05 PM

As long as the layout is the same I'm ok with it . If it's not in space it should at least have some other sort of barriers/death void to take place. Maybe water. Or lava or something. :shrug:

I think a Necris version of Face would be.. f***ing awesome!

Jonny

12-04-2007, 08:10 PM

{SotC}Karn

12-04-2007, 08:14 PM

Hey lookin good! I think as long as they're done well, variations of face are a good thing. This looks like it's going to be fun. Lighting seems a little bright in places atm though. Liking the colour. I can appreciate that making a map look professional with the Asian theme can be quite hard, im making the setting of the Miyazaki film Spirited Away, which means making the whole bathhouse haha. Gunna take some time to finish as im going to try and get visual quality as near as shangri la as possible. Gd effort so far though.

That shot was taken with the dynamic lighting, without it being built.. they are nothing like that bright normally.

Im very new to mapping, so its all a learning process. Quite enjoying it, the terrain aspect is giving me the most headache, dont wanna resort to just making it outta geometry.

ScottUT

12-04-2007, 08:24 PM

Facing worls will be remade officially by epic, so if you ultimately try to replicate the look, no one will play it. I think its a smart choice to go with a theme so dynamically different from the original.

Keep with the asian theme. Do not make it ancient Asian architecture on an asteroid though. If you do, anything you've done with the theme would be a waste, as it would make less sense than the original did.

Maybe a hill with two ponds(waterfalls at peaks..ie, near the keg) seperating the two bases?

Look at DM-gateway for some inspiration.

The terrain is the easiest part out of everything, in my opinion. Theres a tutorial by Hourences, which I had no problem following.

{SotC}Karn

12-04-2007, 08:54 PM

The terrain is the easiest part out of everything, in my opinion. Theres a tutorial by Hourences, which I had no problem following.

Yeah im following that tutorial now, but the problem that im havin is this is the first "additive" world ive ever made, and I dont know what im supposed to do to close it off... do I put it all in a big box?

SKYFURNACE

12-04-2007, 08:55 PM

Why the huge walls around the tower in that 2nd pic? I hope your doing additive rather than subtractive

{SotC}Karn

12-04-2007, 08:58 PM

Yeah I am dont worry.. I wanted to play test it without getting horrid corrupted graphics that come up.

SKYFURNACE

12-04-2007, 09:04 PM

just place the space sphere from UN-Sky package in your map, resize it to fit (use it by putting your towers inside the hollow of the sphere, then you wont get "HOM" (Hall of Mirrors).

{SotC}Karn

12-04-2007, 09:04 PM

just place the space sphere from UN-Sky package in your map, resize it to fit (use it by putting your towers inside the hollow of the sphere, then you wont get "HOM" (Hall of Mirrors).

Brilliant, thankyou.

revel911

12-04-2007, 11:06 PM

I am a typical Face fanatic, but I think this is turning out well, good luck.

As others have mentioned, the lighting is a bit bright, and though I would prefer the weapon locations to all be the same. It is your map and any idea you have is worth beta testing.

Jagnot

12-04-2007, 11:29 PM

Yeah im following that tutorial now, but the problem that im havin is this is the first "additive" world ive ever made, and I dont know what im supposed to do to close it off... do I put it all in a big box?

just place the space sphere from UN-Sky package in your map, resize it to fit (use it by putting your towers inside the hollow of the sphere, then you wont get "HOM" (Hall of Mirrors).

Yeah, that's the beauty of additive worlds. :)

It was confusing for me at first (still is a little), but makes using terrain much, much easier.

TheIronKnuckle

12-04-2007, 11:46 PM

wait wait wait. Its good that you are redoing face in a unique way! Face classic is to be made by epic so this new oriental look will be great for a user remake. The thing is, the asteroide was part of faces core atmosphere and gameplay. unfortunately it isn't going to work with orientalness eh?

What i suggest is having these bases on a high mountain top, like dm-peak from UT1. This way players can still fall off from the main arena and die like face classic, but you can still do away with the asteroid idea. This will also add a different atmosphere, i am sure it would be much more surreal and interesting then a normal landscape valley setup with a lake and a few trees. Having it at twilight on a high mountain top would be 1337!

Over all the structure is looking great! I can't see how it looks anything like faces original layout, but pushing that aside it is a fine job. Keep going!

DS3

12-05-2007, 12:23 AM

Damn! This was my idea. To make oriental face! :D
But you first to do it. Good luck.

Only one thing : Red light near 2nd floor creatures looks weird.

Sidesh0w

12-05-2007, 03:00 AM

oriental face ! omg wtf
the screenshots .. meh
stop trying to be original and make face as it belongs to be ! grr

TheIronKnuckle

12-05-2007, 03:30 AM

NONONONO!!! Face as it is supposed to be will be done by epic and released in a bonuts bag. Other face remakes have creative license

Nawrot

12-05-2007, 06:35 AM

You may have some competition soon. But I think i go for "Classic" or just another map. That japanese style tower does not feel exactly like classic faces.

http://www.internet.is/Alaverin/DM-DeadSimple/Faces1.jpg

http://www.internet.is/Alaverin/DM-DeadSimple/Faces2.jpg

http://www.internet.is/Alaverin/DM-DeadSimple/Faces3.jpg

haldolium

12-05-2007, 07:01 AM

I liked the oriental theme, dont suppose ti really matters that much.

I think it matters alot. I didnt like the egypt-theme from UT2004 and Im not the fan of the asian setting either. Face is a space map, thats the way I personly want a remake.

Well to be fair, from the art-side your approach is indeed good :)

SpiderPig

12-05-2007, 03:50 PM

I dont personally like it. Prefer the classic design/setting of Face.

Raze.at

12-05-2007, 03:59 PM

im making the setting of the Miyazaki film Spirited Away

Awesome! Pics anytime soon?

woooo

12-05-2007, 05:51 PM

I think it matters alot. I didnt like the egypt-theme from UT2004 and Im not the fan of the asian setting either. Face is a space map, thats the way I personly want a remake.

Well to be fair, from the art-side your approach is indeed good :)

the egypt version wasnt face, it was face 3 practically a complete different map with the same name really. With this map its the ground leading up to each bases is probably the most important part

Jonny

12-06-2007, 09:32 AM

Awesome! Pics anytime soon?

Ok as you asked here are a few. Sorry to go off topic but i will only create a thread when i feel this map is ready for a beta release, and its only 30% finished atm.

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7794/bathhouse01hj8.jpg

http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/4546/bathhouse02tg2.jpg

Maby check for a beta release in january!

Anyway to try and be on topic, Nawrot i like your asian themed style of face, the more maps with different gameplay the better, 20 people are bound to remake classic face including Epic.

EDIT: This map is not a face remake, its of the setting of an anime film called Spirited Away.

Reverse

12-06-2007, 09:57 AM

That looks really nice, can't wait too try it out. :)

Mastame

12-06-2007, 05:03 PM

It does look really good, would love to try and play it. :)

However it isn't quite what we know as Face, thus I would suggest giving it slightly different name. For one, because it was said Face is gonna be remade by Epic and would be coming in a Bonuspack. And maybe then still secondly because someone else might wanna try make a really true remake to the old Face.

Good effort tho, keep it up!

DS3

12-07-2007, 02:13 AM

You may have some competition soon. But I think i go for "Classic" or just another map. That japanese style tower does not feel exactly like classic faces.
Awww... Its soo cute. Please, make original one too. But in space. Water looks strange...

VACkillers

12-07-2007, 02:59 AM

looks fantastic!!! i would call it something other then CTF-FACE even tho its the same layout.. it does look quite different from the originals but i do love it, any variant of this map is brilliant, good luck n thanks for the efforts!

ScottUT

12-07-2007, 03:27 AM

DeathmooN

12-07-2007, 07:05 AM

You can set the map on top of a high peak (with a volcanic pit in the middle), so that it retains the 'you fall off you die' part of face, but doesn't make the
map lose its theme.

jeffrow

12-07-2007, 09:28 AM

NONONONO!!! Face as it is supposed to be will be done by epic and released in a bonuts bag. Other face remakes have creative license

Yeah, sounds grreat!

daydreamdirty

12-08-2007, 04:05 AM

excellent....love the pics at the bottom....i say try the new theme...
needs a new look anyway.
:D

ColdfireRik

12-08-2007, 07:13 AM

Make both ^^ though i like the classic more. Classic FTW! :P

FIgterFX

12-08-2007, 08:26 AM

call the map facing dragons and put a statue of a dragon in the top of the 2 towers :)

TheIronKnuckle

12-10-2007, 12:56 AM

eh, call it facing somethings, but face classic iis for epic to do. If they don't do it and instead release face4, then modders should jump on classic

S.H.O.K.K.

12-10-2007, 02:13 AM

Call it "Facing Something", instead of facing worlds.

hahahah! :D

n1!

Phoenix86

12-10-2007, 11:36 AM

an idea for other potential face mappers is perhaps a "Facing Glaciers"? hehe

have glaciers on either side of the map with a face-like tower of ice/rock and water underneath...

or maybe "Facing Forests"?

think the tops of the trees of Serenity and maybe having a metal bridge or so

or "Facing Necris"

having necris-like towers with the "vertebre" tenticles as the bridge

just some thoughts for mappers :)

ScuzzBuster

12-10-2007, 11:55 AM

Actually, the Asian theme is fine. My understanding though is that an "official" version of FACE will be coming with one of the Bonus Packs.

Nawrot

12-10-2007, 12:23 PM

Actually, the Asian theme is fine. My understanding though is that an "official" version of FACE will be coming with one of the Bonus Packs.

Yes but its very probably that they do some changes to layout. On other hand CTF-Hydro is almost exact port.

And yes "CTF-Face" should be left for official remake, We can always name them as "CTF-Face-something".

[TN]ultrajounin

12-13-2007, 10:17 AM

Whats the word for face in Chinese (or even Japanese) you should call it that...

I'll download this tonight and give it a go.

I like the idea of having water/waterfalls replace the space part (where you fall and die).

I feel a strong part of the original face was the sky scenery/planets so I think you should find a way to make it really impressive.

Good luck and cant wait to see the final product!

Coreper

12-13-2007, 10:30 AM

i think you shouldnt name this map CTF-Face, since that is, atleast i think, a map which is supposed to look like the classic face layout/design/skin/world
i [and i think much others] would like you to call this map CTF-FaceChina [or something, but not CTF-Face]

ShadeMistress

12-13-2007, 10:54 AM

"Kao" is Japanese for Face... :P

ExTerminat0r

12-13-2007, 12:03 PM

CTF-FacingFaces?

Jonny

12-13-2007, 12:05 PM

CTF-InyourFace

CTF-Yourfaceisunderattack

CTF-Whatsthatonyourface?

Leo Natan

12-13-2007, 12:25 PM

CTF-WhatsThatOnYourFace?
:p That one's great :D

General.Jung

12-13-2007, 02:46 PM

Hello {SotC}Karn,

good work and this is a really nice version of a classical Face map.

Hickeroar

12-13-2007, 03:09 PM

If you release this, call it Face-Asian or something. I'm sure epic is going to come out with their own remake and it's going to be called Face

Devil_Spawn

12-13-2007, 06:32 PM

CTF-AllYourFacesAreBelongingToUs

revel911

12-13-2007, 06:52 PM

CTF-AllYourFacesAreBelongingToUs

...SOLD...

BTW, I haven't seen Karn reply in a few days, did we scare him off?

TheIronKnuckle

12-14-2007, 01:22 AM

"Kao" is Japanese for Face... :P

ctf-Kao then, it means the same thing really. Just like this map is the same only asian. It works, i vote for ctf-kao.

TheIronKnuckle

12-23-2007, 05:49 AM

bump.

any progress? This face gives me wet dreams. Wonder what will happen if i ever actually get to play it.

revel911

12-23-2007, 07:54 AM

I am curious if he abandoned it after everyone destroyed his good work because it wasn't the same UT-Classic?

Reverse

12-23-2007, 08:05 AM

This version looks awesome imo, hope he didn't abandon it..

ShadeMistress

12-23-2007, 12:19 PM

I hope he didn't, this is an awesome remake. I personally love the asian look. :)

TheIronKnuckle

12-23-2007, 10:31 PM

Yeah, i was looking forward too it. IMO it doesn't matter what the theme is as long as it looks pro. Of course, the remake from epic had better be face "classic". All other themes are for the community, therefore this asian theme pwns! Progress?