Is the Linux dedicated server out?

[StoneCold]

Hi Everyone, i havent checked back here for a few days, just bought by collectors edn. and hope to setup a server on a kickass c2d linux box in a datacentre, so is the linux dedicated server package out yet? :p

[Assraker]

No it isn't.

[StoneCold]

Is it still stuck at legal? :(:(:(

[Slaughter]

Yes. Remember, lawyers charge big $$$ per hour. :D Plus they most certainly weren't going to be working over a holiday weekend.

[Dubious]

They had to re-write some of the code to avoid legal issues created by using some middleware in the Linux product. Thats what the holdup is, the last I heard anyway.

[Slaughter]

I know...had to make a lawyer remark though...

[devnulll]

Now that the PS3 version is gold, can we get the Linux server done, so we can finally start playing this game?

[Slaughter]

The status of the Linux dedicated server isn't stopping anyone from playing the game.

[Antigamespy]

sry but without a good server (linux) we realy can´t play a online shooter!

>80% of the servers out there r linux/unix systems! no1 want pay the bill for a noobie win**** server.

linux/unix is the best server system so we can´t play ut3...

[h3ArT]

....and epic makes holiday weekend.^^ hehe

[d33per]

Better wait for a stable good linux server , then bringing out totaly $h!+ like Ut3 ;)

I would prefere a final good Version(LinuxServer) then sitting every night infront of Ut sides to fix the buggy Game and tweak it like hell or waitng for patches ..

but nice way to make money ^^ ... the community will fix all

[headfog]

The status of the Linux dedicated server isn't stopping anyone from playing the game.

Playing. No. However, our clan is not playing online yet because of the delays of this. We are on a stable UT2004 until the server is released. Our server is Linux only.

[CVROY]

me too :( WAH!!!

[ozztehbozz]

It takes me almost 4 hours everyday by spamming amsgs "ut3 4on4 no server pm" @ IRC until I find somebody to play with... There's a lack of servers and we need the linux server now! :P

[Art_illery]

This whole Linux Server Ordeal is a huge mess. It has become very quiet about the release of it or any Status about it.

No news on the UT3Server Mailing list, no news anywhere.

The Servers that are running right now are all either Servers running on some Windows Dedicated, or running on Virtual Machines on top of Linux dedicated Servers.

And even those Servers are still not really fully functional, as vital parts of it are still not functional (e.g. the bWeaponStay=false in TDM Settings are not working, so no TDM pro rules can be applied for the time being ...).

I have lost my hope that these issues will be remedied in the near future, and thus i am not quite so sure about the Fate that UT3 online play is going to suffer.

We are discussing these issues almost every night now in our claninternal voicetools, and people in my clan start showing signs of "who cares, i won´t be playing online anyways, because nothing is working the way we expected it to"-attitude.

Some people in my clan have even started playing Crysis online, as there seems to be much more online life in that game than there is now in UT3.

It is a very sad story that will hopefully still come to some happy ending, but each and every day these things stay the way they are now, the little remaining faith that we retain in our clan is slipping away.

[ApocDeath]

Just figured I'd echo your sentiments, Art. In Apoc, or problems are even worse... Not only will we only run a Linux server, we also have about half of our most active players completely switched off of Windows OS, either to Linux or Mac, including myself... The legal problems with the Linux server are undoubtedly magnified for the Linux/Mac client, and we've heard no reassurances from Epic on whether or not the issues are insurmountable. I'm still hoping, since it seems the wait will be worth it because the game shipped half-finished as-is and needs some serious patching, but the rest of my group is starting to lose faith...

[ozztehbozz]

WeaponStay=false <=> WeaponSpawn Mutator

The problem is that you wan't gather a big online community w/out a stable linux server. If the release isn't within the next 2 weeks I really doubt that the game will be as popular as we all expected.

[Slaughter]

The problem is that you wan't gather a big online community w/out a stable linux server. If the release isn't within the next 2 weeks I really doubt that the game will be as popular as we all expected.
Well, perhaps for clans used to running their own servers in the past on Linux (and of course, general everything needs to be Linux bigots :p ).

But I'd venture to guess that in a blind taste-test (such as on UT2004), that no one can tell whether a server they join (that is running well), is Windows-based or Linux-based. Many of the busiest 2k4 servers on the planet were/are running on Windows. And like the Energizer bunny, they keep going and going and going.

In the end, the average online gamer doesn't care what the server is running on as long as it's playable. It's geeks who clamor for Linux.

Anyway, I do hope the Linux server gets released soon as well. I think the middleware legal issue is a mess and with more partnering and cross-licensing going on in the game industry (and more specific with engines), this may only be the first of many legal challenges to come.

[{SAP}THEEDGE]

You are right...there are lots of good windows based servers and players won't know or care. The problem is, that there are a ton more linux server clans that will have awesome servers out as soon as this thing is released. We at SAP feel like we are getting way behind because we can't run our server. I have been working on weapons/mods/etc. and they are just sitting on my hard drive because I can't run a server.

Can someone from Epic please give us an update??

[ozztehbozz]

There are only 1-2 hosts in germany f.e. which are supporting Windows Servers... so YES, it does matter wether the server are windows or linux based.

[ApocDeath]

Like M$ needed yet another advert, Slaughter. :rolleyes:

"In the end, the average online gamer doesn't care what the server is running on as long as it's playable. It's geeks who clamor for Linux." -Slaughter

While I agree with you, please stop helping to spread this around... It is getting less true all the time! Wouldn't it be nice to have a choice in PC OSes and yet still be able to play most video games someday? ;)

Just remember, every time you say "Linux is for geeks", someone's repressed inner geek up and dies... Don't allow this tragedy to continue!! :p

[Slaughter]

LOL. (Slaughter is a geek and has run a Linux based "rental" server in the past)

[Sero]

The problem is not the quality of the servers, but the amount of them that is mostly affected by whether or not there are linux servers.

[jot]

Well my dedicated server runs only Linux and I don't want to change that since it's doing pretty well and I have some other dependencies, that require it.
At home I am using nice noobie Windows, but for servers in office or private matters Linux is my only choice. It's also a question of money, since I would need another Windows license (this means I have to spend some more €€€/$$$ and Windows Server is even more expensive than a workstation/desktop license).

I hope we get that UT3 Linux DS soon, I am losing more and more interest in that game :(

[ApocDeath]

Did you dig the Peter Pan reference, S? ;)

(I ran Apoc's first UT99 server on a win2k box, and it was just fine. I just like messing with my servers over ssh in a terminal rather than VNC. ;) )

Keep the faith, jot... The DS will come, at minimum. It's just gonna take some time... <crosses fingers>

[devnulll]

Time is a luxury, nobody can afford... these days.

[CVROY]

Wasn't the game supposed to have windows, Linux and X64 right out of the box I could have sworn I remember reading that way back in the day in an interview with Jeff Morris... I know we are talking servers here but I thought they said that's how it was supposed to be for the clients. Getting back on topic, I like the Linux servers better because the OS uses so much less overhead than a windows box, thus allowing the CPU to be used for the game server and not really the OS. I also could have sworn I read someplace that the dedicated server install was supposed be in the box with the retail game too... maybe I'm just going mad.

Oh well... still waiting.

[mnz]

The status of the Linux dedicated server isn't stopping anyone from playing the game.

every UT player i know is desperately waiting for the linux-server....
so what you're saying is BS.

[{SAP}THEEDGE]

I just wish one of the epic guys or whomever is working on it would give us some feedback as to what is going on...

Is it close?? Is it going to be weeks?? If we knew some information we could quit asking about it every day...

[Suxxess]

US:

windows based servers ~ 80 - 90%
linux based servers and others ~ 20 - 10%

European:
windows based servers ~ 30 %
linux based servers and others ~ 70%

The reasons are simple:
- security
- no costs
- performance
- for gamers 1000 Hz kernel and gameserver optimations

For example my clan have an expansive rootserver based on linux.
We couldn't use it for ut3 because Epic don't release an ut3 linux server.
(ut3 is out here since 12 november) :eek:

[Art_illery]

I concur, that it doesn´t matter for the average gamer who is playing UT3 which OS the Server is running on. The gaming experience doesn´t change.

But it is also true, that most clans prefer Linux based Dedicated Servers, because of 3 very simple reasons.

1. It is royalty-free
2. you can run your Server without the Overhead of a running Graphical User Interface
3. It is safer to let a linux Server run directly connected to the Internet due to less malware programmed for it, faster updates of Code when Bugs are discovered and way better User Managment. If someone wants to hack a Linux Server he has to know what he is doing and can´t rely so much on Programs exploiting known Windows loopholes (i don´t say Linux Servers don´t get hacked, i had my Linux Server hacked 2 Times now, but i was always on top of the Hackers)

And without a working native Linux Dedicated Server, most people have to work with Virtual Machines running Windows on top of the Linux Host Systems, which produces even more Overhead, eating away performance that isn´t available for the Serverprocesses then.

So sure there are online Servers running on Windows OS, but the potential of all those Serverrigs, that are hosted by clans all over the world is lost, due to the fact, that almost 90% of them are Linux based. And Clans who are not willing to install Virtual Machines on top of their Linux Hosts or simply don´t have the expertise to do that are left out of the race.

Noone of those people will pay extra hard earned cash for some hosted UT3 Windows Server just to provide their clan with some Server, that they would be able to host themselves otherwise. And that is the real Problem.

[Jumpy]

As far as i know there IS a linux-Server UT 3 out there, but is just a beta!

I will came up later, just the linux-client too.
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http://icculus.org (http://icculus.org/news/news.php?id=4084)

But it seems to be the DEMO-Server?

Try it out.

[Dubious]

As far as i know there IS a linux-Server UT 3 out there, but is just a beta!
Thats a demo server - not a retail server. Its incompatible.

[headfog]

- Windows license required ($$$)
- Already hosting 6 other clans on a dedicated Linux server who are not switching to UT3 immediately
- Reconfiguration of 6 game servers, plus web services, plus database just to move platforms is really not smart business. It takes a long time to get all of it back up on a new platform.

[Masterchief]

Hello @ All

Any Statement from Epic about the Linux Server Files.

Big Greets

[aCruceSalus]

Hello fellow Linux Admins,
Please visit this petition thread, http://utforums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=589218.
Will it really make a difference? We won't know unless we try.
-Cruce

[Saja]

hi
some news about the linux dedicated server?

[Slaughter]

Believe me, if there was news you would certainly not have to ask. It would be posted everywhere.

But, no news.

[FrozenFire]

I want my Money Back EPIC!!!

Sucks to have Linux R00t-Server and get no support from EPIC which said UT3 becomes an multiplatform game.

O RLY ... there is just a Windows version on my DVD!

Other Games come up on release with linux server and were just windows-platformed for gamers.

If somebody relation my "oh play the singelplay" well it's nearly in the quality of UT2K4 so what sould I do?

Sorry buy impression is just it is all about the name sellout of UnrealTournament it's a shame.:mad:

[Dubious]

I want my Money Back EPIC!!!
You are welcome to return the game. In fact that would do us all a favor. You have 4 total posts on these forums, all of which are nothing but you complaining about UT3. Sounds like you are unhappy, so you might want to take your own suggestion and return the game to get your money back, and that way we dont have to listen to your b!tching any longer.


O RLY ... there is just a Windows version on my DVD!
Sounds like you didn't read the box. Yeah, you should return it.


If somebody relation my "oh play the singelplay" well it's nearly in the quality of UT2K4 so what sould I do?
You should return the game. Most certainly.

[{SAP}THEEDGE]

Bumpity Bump...

I wish someone would just give us an update on the Linux server....

<Heavy Sigh>

[Antigamespy]

omg epic....

[deadite66]

shouldn't all the contracts for the middleware been sorted out before they started to code with them?
sure hope someone got sacked for this mess up.

[headfog]

shouldn't all the contracts for the middleware been sorted out before they started to code with them?
sure hope someone got sacked for this mess up.

Legal is the last thing that developers seem to remember. Sounds like it got lost in the shuffle until someone reminded someone it was required. :o

[Masterchief]

Hi Folks,

a lot of people are angry, that it takes so long but we can and must wait. The popularity of Linux is fantastic in Europe so the Linux binaries must come soon. A lot of people tells us “no Linux – no ut3” that was fatal. UT3 do not be died it must live with Windows and Linux.

Please - Please - Please do it faster. The most community’s in Europe have up to 75% Linux Rootpower and it’s a very high priority to launch the Server Binaries (Server Files) for Linux as soon as possible.

Mark from Epic said in Television that the Community for UT3 one Important Member in the future is. Maybe not for long, if only run windows. Do something to bring us Linux.
The UT Serie is Cult and we want Play on more Server and not Only on Windows.

Big Greets from Germany

[gämmö]

Can we please have an update, some of us have contractual obligations, a simple update would help us keep our ends tidy.

What the hell is wrong with that?

[Vlad^Tepes]

This is crap,our server provider from ut2004 wont even touch this game without the linux executables.This game is dead without it,the pc version will be dead in the water if you dont release it like now.

[Seraphina]

I agree with Vlad, you risk rejection by not having linux servers.
I understand that there are legal problems but there's gotta be a way to sort this out quicker.
A lot of clans right now cant play because their server providers run linux machines only, which under normal circumstances wouldnt be a problem but obviously without a linux version...
Many ppl are already fed up with the problems they have with the game and the linux server problem could be the final straw for those.
The games that were sold to these ppl may have brought you the money but if a lot of ppl leave the game already, there wont be much of a community left to bring new ppl into the game.

[ozztehbozz]

It's time for a statement to the progress.
I wouldn't have bought the game if I knew that they won't release the server until 2009.... so many bugs...
I spend 55€ for this game, which is worth 10€ until patch 5 or something like that...

[Vlad^Tepes]

I'dd,this is getting tiresome.Epic's will get their invested money back from the ps3 version,they dont need us tbh because we are just being difficult and expect that our game works as it should and that we have somewhere to play:rolleyes: That FAQ section should be updated far more often,as it is people keep wondering,getting pissed off at the lack of official info .

[Dubious]

That FAQ section should be updated far more often,as it is people keep wondering,getting pissed off at the lack of official info .
As stated at the top of the post, the FAQ is not an official Epic posting, but rather a collection of information maintained by the community. While it will be updated when the Linux server becomes available it should not be looked to for any official status update. It is updated often as you can see at the bottom of the post. It was updated as recently as yesterday.

There is no "official" update past the last one, which stated that the Linux server was not ready due to some code re-writes that have to take place in order to circumvent some legal issues associated with middleware.

[zyzm]

Please EPIC get the linux server up.
I kow it takes time to code such a thing properly. But the community needs the linux servers.

I played every UT and loved it. I also love UT3. So please get the servers up. I count on you ;)

[Vlad^Tepes]

Dubious im talking about Epics FAQ posted by Wartourist,not the one compiled by the community.That faq doesnt even mention a dedicated linux server,just that theyre working on a linux client.The official information is thin on the ground and tbh its strange how something like this can happen considering how many years the UT franchise have existed now.They have not provided the community with a working infrastructure , the descicion to realease the game without linux support when 75-80 % of all serverhosts use linux is insane,how can they cripple their own game like that ? It saddens me how all this crap could ending up killing the franchise on the pc format,the unreal series has been a dear part of my life for 10 years and i had very high hopes in this latest game.

I dont have those hopes anymore,it will take a lot of patching to make it work and for Epic to make the game differ a lot more from the ps3 version.They should have done that straight away,developed on the pc and THEN dumb down interfaces and remove what the consoleplayers doesnt need .Now theyre depriving us of the game this should have been instead of the subpar console port that it currently is.

My two cents

[CVROY]

I realized this morning that we are running into a big problem here, the windows server has a crap load of errors and until that is stable we will not see a dedicated Linux version for some time. Unfortunately for EPIC most of the game server companies use Linux for their dedicated servers.

At the time of this post here are the player server stats for th UT games:

Unreal Tournament 2004
1648 servers, 4392 players

Unreal Tournament
1829 servers, 1012 players

Unreal Tournament 3 (PC)
523 servers, 333 players


This is not looking good folks.

[WarTourist]

Hi all. We're working on getting the linux dedicated server released as soon as possible.