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Marsfyre

11-05-2007, 02:43 AM

Hi all,
I am in the planning and early construction phases for the sequel to my map DM-Under_LE from UT2004. I am interested in feedback from the community on new ideas and item placements for the map. Right now I am planning to place an invisibility in the air vent near the rocket launcher (the one that previously contained ammo), jump boots near the link gun, replacing the shield by the shock rifle with a helmet, and the large shield with a shield belt. I'm also thinking about where I might expand the map and have a few ideas going for that, again, suggestions are welcome.

Taboen

11-05-2007, 04:35 AM

Very nice, make sure you cant jump on the ball in the middle with jumpboots. Maybe only from lg or something, and then with jumpboots.
Don't expand the map imo.

Chromatik

11-05-2007, 09:16 AM

Looking forward to it Marsfyre. Under_LE was in my offline map rotation for quite awhile. it will be nice to see a worthy successor in UT3 :)

T2A`

11-05-2007, 05:26 PM

Don't remake it unless you're planning on doing something about the extremely long lines of sight that make the map much worse than it needs to be.

AFG34

11-05-2007, 05:29 PM

DO NOT REMAKE IT

Instead remake something like corrugation please :D

Vidda

11-05-2007, 06:21 PM

No TAM plz. kthnx.

Luv_Studd

11-05-2007, 06:29 PM

Make it...make it....make it... /chants

Seriously, it's a fun map. I'd prefer something that allows a dodge or means to get up to the shock from the lower level.

Bigger lifts.

No protruding meshes in the hallway.

Little less foggy & no floaty things...

What's wrong with getting on the ball?

The hidden vent w/amp - or path to - was a bit more difficult than needs to be.

Size is good right now.

If you are going to call it "Under" - it should really be under something - perhaps under 'Heat Ray'?

:)

r3m

11-05-2007, 07:42 PM

DO NOT REMAKE IT

Instead remake something like corrugation please :D

AFG speaks the truth.

Viking

11-05-2007, 08:20 PM

I loved this map in 2k4!

I would hope for no Buzzing sound...

that is all I don't like about it :)

Viking

11-05-2007, 08:22 PM

I loved this map in 2k4!

I wwould hope for no Buzzing sound...

that is all I dont like about it :)

Frogger

11-05-2007, 09:20 PM

love this map..only thing i can think of is a way to make the interior more used..maybe another lift through globe?

AFG34

11-05-2007, 09:49 PM

No TAM plz. kthnx.
+1^50

tam suxxorz, play TDM if you got ballz

NakhtiUT3

11-05-2007, 10:42 PM

Mars you know I loved that map so this is great news ... looking forward to it ... no suggestions to add ... but I know you will think of something once you see what UT3 can do. Maybe you can have a small crack in the ceiling and have it raining or have there be some weather effects going on outside you can see through the windows and skybox. Anyway I am just glad you are doing this ... this was a map I forgot to add in my lists of maps that I would love to see redone.

Marsfyre

11-06-2007, 02:51 AM

Very nice, make sure you cant jump on the ball in the middle with jumpboots. Maybe only from lg or something, and then with jumpboots.
Don't expand the map imo.

Its always been possible to get onto the ball

Don't remake it unless you're planning on doing something about the extremely long lines of sight that make the map much worse than it needs to be.

or I could just remake it because its the 13th most played DM map in ranked matches

DO NOT REMAKE IT

Instead remake something like corrugation please :D

according to UT stats, Dm-Under_LE got more play than corrugation, try asking me later once I finish a few of my own maps ;p

Make it...make it....make it... /chants

Seriously, it's a fun map. I'd prefer something that allows a dodge or means to get up to the shock from the lower level.

Bigger lifts.

No protruding meshes in the hallway.

Little less foggy & no floaty things...

What's wrong with getting on the ball?

The hidden vent w/amp - or path to - was a bit more difficult than needs to be.

Size is good right now.

If you are going to call it "Under" - it should really be under something - perhaps under 'Heat Ray'?

:)

dodge to shock from lower level... well I would've considered it but I don't think that wierd angle dodge thing works anymore. Still, I'll think about it

lifts.. also a good idea, but not too much I don't think (maybe 1/3 more)]

I think getting on the ball was just too pimpin for that other guy

amp path is getting revised this time

"under' I dunno.. Maybe something will be up there

Mars you know I loved that map so this is great news ... looking forward to it ... no suggestions to add ... but I know you will think of something once you see what UT3 can do. Maybe you can have a small crack in the ceiling and have it raining or have there be some weather effects going on outside you can see through the windows and skybox. Anyway I am just glad you are doing this ... this was a map I forgot to add in my lists of maps that I would love to see redone.

I've been working with UE3 for almost 2 years, there will be major revisions to everything, but I think I'm going to keep the flavor the same (unlike remakes such as curse)

Taboen

11-06-2007, 03:03 AM

People, he already decided to remake this wonderfull wonderfull map, no need to argue with that:)

Anyways

What's wrong with getting on the ball?

Hmmz the ball is a tactical point, in the current version its pretty hard to get on it, with the mid lift its possible and with a very difficult walldodgejump. If he adds jumpboots that might be ruined, so I say, make it high enough so you cant get on the ball with jumpboots except if you're standing at lg (now becoming a sniper).

Marsfyre

11-06-2007, 03:09 AM

People, he already decided to remake this wonderfull wonderfull map, no need to argue with that:)

Anyways

Hmmz the ball is a tactical point, in the current version its pretty hard to get on it, with the mid lift its possible and with a very difficult walldodgejump. If he adds jumpboots that might be ruined, so I say, make it high enough so you cant get on the ball with jumpboots except if you're standing at lg (now becoming a sniper).

thanks, but now I have to point out.. its easy as hell to get on top of the ball with a lift jump from the lower lift with a simple single lift jump ;p

Taboen

11-06-2007, 03:23 AM

thanks, but now I have to point out.. its easy as hell to get on top of the ball with a lift jump from the lower lift with a simple single lift jump ;p

The mid lift if I'm not mistaking? I found it a pretty hard singe lift jump ;p

D2F[Leo]

11-06-2007, 06:53 AM

Cool that you decided to do Under for UT3, more remakes like this and I will maybe prefer the new game to 2k4 one day. ;D

Hmm, I'm not a mapper and not even a DM player (playing TAM, now stone me to death ;)) and can hardly say anything about weapon placement and stuff. The map itself is close to perfect anyway, as it offers a nice combination of spam and hitscan, I love that.

But what I actually like about the "Sulfur" version (or "Crypt of f00k" or whatever) is the additional room at the lower level. In Under you can easily get outspammed in that poky lift corner where the other version has the entrance to this room. I can only see advantages in having a room or at least a corridor there. :D (and it would fit the "Under" theme to have some kind of gloomy and maybe dark little area there, I guess)

Oh, and I hope that you can still manage to include enough lift-walldodge possibilities and ways of moving in general in your new Under version. I just worry a bit because of the new moving. :x

The mid lift if I'm not mistaking? I found it a pretty hard singe lift jump ;p

It is indeed easy from both lifts; Under has rather slow ones anyway, imo. :P

Denk

11-06-2007, 12:43 PM

rofl, why waste your time on a crap map like Under_LE ? xD

Taboen

11-06-2007, 01:21 PM

rofl, why waste your time on a crap map like Under_LE ? xD

Under owns ya!:D

Xzentheus

11-07-2007, 08:37 AM

Glad to hear your remaking this map!! I remember when i always wanted to play it and no-one else knew about it / liked it. My absolute favorite thing to do in this map, was to lift jump from the mid left to the left wall, then dodge-jump off of it to reach where LG was. Fast transportation :D

As far as expanding the map? I have to disagree. It's perfect the way it is, and like 'LêøÑ¡dås' said... it's a perfect fusion of hitscan and spam. Of course some stuff needs to be moved and switched around for the UT3 version (like you mentioned, jump boots/invisibility, etc...), but that is of course expected.

The buzz did get somewhat annoying, but i saw it as part of the map so it's not a big deal

And touching on the jumpboots idea with the ball... i think in order for that to happen, the ball would become way to large and tall, and would look way to abstract in the map, I think you'll have to live with the fact that the boots will grant you access to such things as the ball, and the vents, which would also make the powerups more accessible.

At any rate, again i'm glad to hear your going ahead and remake this. Thanks!! ;)

Taboen

11-07-2007, 09:08 AM

you should make no buzz since the nobuzz version if under became more popular after its excistence.

MysTikal

11-07-2007, 01:44 PM

Yeah! Good to see you remaking it! Under was always one of my favourite maps.

A few things would need testing though (such as the lack of dodge jump, gravity differences). I guess that would all come into consideration in playtesting (hey, I'm up for it :P).

ne_skaju

11-07-2007, 01:59 PM

That's map mostly played in TAM. Never seen it in DM / TDM rotation.

Ok, maybe map maschtab should be decreased yet.

Taboen

11-09-2007, 05:48 AM

Marsfyre what was the difference between Under_le and Under_le2 in UT2004? Just wondering.. :)

djsilt

11-09-2007, 07:04 AM

glad to hear you're remaking Under, that's one of my fav map :thumbs up:
and don't listen to all that prO 1337 boring TDMers :D

Marsfyre

11-09-2007, 11:28 PM

Marsfyre what was the difference between Under_le and Under_le2 in UT2004? Just wondering.. :)

as far as I can tell.. nothing... no idea where that second one came from

ChillinDeath

11-10-2007, 12:24 AM

No light sound buzz pleaazzz

I prefer to have the reddish wall textures like the ones in the original version.

You should redesign the map a bit to prevent the hitscans from the toplevel.

Bitter-Pill

11-13-2007, 04:53 PM

I played that map a lot in AM/TAM, but never in DM/TDM. So, that's where I'm coming from when I talk about gameplay.

1. Ambient noise will be fine as long as there isn't any annoying buzz.
2. Maybe do something extra with the corridor under the globe.
3. Add cover points along the outside wall in the long hall leading to the big lift.
4. Perhaps set the whole map underground with moodier lighting and chain link fencing allowing you to look out at other activities outside the map, such as subway trains whizzing by.

Anyways, good luck with the design. :)

SafeFire

11-14-2007, 06:22 AM

Alright, here's what you gotta do.

Gameplay wise, sculpt it up exactly like it was in 04. Don't add anything new (it was great like it was, and still is).
If you must change the gameplay, then let it be to better suit the playerscale and movement of UT3.

Graphically I have a few ideas (Was planning a remake myself, incase you didn't show up to do the dirty work :p).
Art wise, I really liked the discrete visual style of the old map, but with the new engine I personally think it would be suitable to take that subtlety to the next level.
In the original "under the world" I interpreted the ball in the middle of the level as the world, and the bound nature of it (the rings) as the player being bound to the level.
I may be over interpreting yes, and I'm personally not a fan of it, but this time round it gave me an idea.
Alternately, one could interpret the ball as the limits of the engine, and now with the new engine we have so much more power, and so fewer limits.
Channeling this into actual ART, one could depict this as a glowing orb of light, or simply a bright light coming from the center.
The Rings would still be there, but I'm thinking more something along the lines of them being shattered on the ground, showing that the limits are broken, and the true power of UNREAL flowing.
I'm not going to tell you what to do (Nothing good comes of that, nor would you be listening blindly to a person you don't know) So I'd rather inspire you to do something on your own, as I know you are more than capable of pulling off an amazing level.
Tech wise I'm still suggesting that you go with the subtle design of the old map.
Just because it's a new engine doesn't mean it has to be pushed to the limits to be pretty.

Have fun, and keep up the good work :)

zoiks

11-14-2007, 08:36 AM

As much as I enjoyed playing Under_LE in 2k4, lets see some original content for UT3 please!

Everyone is rushing to remakes rather than fresh ideas, kinda saddening :(

NakhtiUT3

11-14-2007, 12:21 PM

As much as I enjoyed playing Under_LE in 2k4, lets see some original content for UT3 please!

Everyone is rushing to remakes rather than fresh ideas, kinda saddening :(

Not really sad at all when tons of folks are requesting great maps be brought back and made even better. You don't have to play them you know and if you want some original content you can always learn to map and then provide the community with free content. If you can't do that then you really don't have any reason to complain about whatever it is other modders decide to do.

loezix

11-14-2007, 12:25 PM

Instead of helmet near the shock rifle, put a vest. I think it 'll balance the things a little more.

chu::LOB::

11-15-2007, 06:38 PM

it was played (mostly as a TAM map) because it was one of the few maps that made weapons other than shock and LG useful.

this is mostly because of the wall and ramp placements.

with the remake, there are a couple of features that would improve the map over it's 2k4 counterpart:

-no buzz (other mappers, are you listening?)

-adjust scale to fit UT3's movement (smaller/tighter corridors; length is probably fine)

-do something more with the corridors in mid area below ball (maybe more complexity, maybe powerup placement, ESPECIALLY JUMPBOOTS)

Party Boy

11-17-2007, 02:39 AM

I don't read nothing . . .

=P

The sound in Under-LE, THE SOUND . . . likes to be playing DM-Boeing747Turbine . . .

Dsadasd . . .

whack

11-17-2007, 03:43 AM

I loved this map in 2k4!

I wwould hope for no Buzzing sound...

that is all I dont like about it :)

Agreed....fun map :)

Marsfyre

12-16-2007, 11:51 PM

some wip images

http://img171.imageshack.us/img171/8184/under00uj2.th.jpg (http://img171.imageshack.us/my.php?image=under00uj2.jpg)
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/4498/under01so1.th.jpg (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=under01so1.jpg)
http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/7220/under02va6.th.jpg (http://img502.imageshack.us/my.php?image=under02va6.jpg)
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/5195/under03ik2.th.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=under03ik2.jpg)
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/3677/under04yl9.th.jpg (http://img155.imageshack.us/my.php?image=under04yl9.jpg)
http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/1042/under05du0.th.jpg (http://img266.imageshack.us/my.php?image=under05du0.jpg)
http://img178.imageshack.us/img178/9296/under06hz5.th.jpg (http://img178.imageshack.us/my.php?image=under06hz5.jpg)

Bitter-Pill

12-17-2007, 12:44 AM

Looking good. :)

zoro

12-17-2007, 03:14 AM

Why not just call it "Under-2", instead of "Under-]["?

Marsfyre

12-17-2007, 05:09 AM

Why not just call it "Under-2", instead of "Under-]["?

why call it under-2 instead of under-][ ??

HTM~Necron99

12-17-2007, 06:05 AM

good job Marsfyre! can't wait to see it finished.

Freak

12-20-2007, 11:23 AM

One of my favs,glad to see it coming to life in UT3.I have ddj on my server so the ball is no prob.We need a taste of the old to go with the new,variety so as not to be bored.

fuegerstef

12-20-2007, 11:27 AM

Yeah. You rock. \o/

Teddie

12-20-2007, 10:01 PM

Mars,

Your project screenshots are looking nice.

Good to see you, my friend.

Good luck with it.

Teddie

Xzentheus

01-04-2008, 02:35 PM

AnubanUT2

01-04-2008, 04:20 PM

why call it under-2 instead of under-][ ??

:D:D:p Nice comeback!! What is it with people telling level designers how to name their own maps anyway? :confused: Anyway that looks great so far and I can't wait to see a beta ... wow. :) I am still a bit giddy that this great map will soon be available to play in UT3. That is so awesome. Maybe this will get Teddie to do a remake or two (Crane and Aztec would be so awesome) ;).

woooo

01-04-2008, 04:27 PM

Give it a darker sky please, Or you could just call it UnderWorld, wasn't that the original name ?

AnubanUT2

01-04-2008, 04:31 PM

^^^ what is the big deal about the name and why are you telling him what to name his level when that is not even on the table for discussion woooo ... and btw you never replied to me when I asked you about your progress on that mutator ... can you please update your thread? Thanks.

Mr.UglyPants

01-04-2008, 04:37 PM

Holy crap, that looks great, looks like the original, cept better!

I can't wait for the beta to come out, i loved Under (whichever was he brighter version of it in UT2k4), can't wait for this one.

And for heavens sake, just keep it Under.

Xzentheus

01-05-2008, 09:25 PM

Give it a darker sky please, Or you could just call it UnderWorld, wasn't that the original name ?

the real name for it was 'Under the World' lol.

Mr.UglyPants

01-05-2008, 10:03 PM

I find the name Under works perfectly well.

LooN`uk

01-06-2008, 05:20 PM

Please this map was so bob on 2k4 dont bring it into ut3 if you do make the map bigger :)

Mr.UglyPants

01-06-2008, 05:27 PM

Why bigger? Bigger and it looses the feel.

Xzentheus

01-07-2008, 12:57 AM

I find the name Under works perfectly well.

+1 to that :p

Mr.UglyPants

01-25-2008, 12:53 PM

BUMP, please, PLEASE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD SAY YOUR ALIVE! I want this map so badly for UT3!

Bitter-Pill

01-25-2008, 02:27 PM

In case he doesn't get around to responding to you soon, let me assure you that Marsfyre is in fact still alive. Also, it's important to know that he's working on more UT3 things than just this map.

Mr.UglyPants

01-25-2008, 05:14 PM

Okay, thanks, just wanted to at least know that he hadn't just left the community entirely.

Does he know when real life will give him a long break?

Freak

01-25-2008, 06:27 PM

That's map mostly played in TAM. Never seen it in DM / TDM rotation.

Ok, maybe map maschtab should be decreased yet.

Thats funny,it's been on my DM server since it first came out and is currently there.~Freak's World~

Marsfyre

01-31-2008, 04:33 PM

I'm thinking about making a big push to complete the first beta this weekend... we'll see what happens

Mr.UglyPants

01-31-2008, 05:12 PM

Awesome news. can't wait to see what becomes of it.