Classic Map Remake thread

[Scoobydooby]

I had this idea spawned from another thread that I just read, and was interested to find out what maps from UT99 and 2k4 you hardcore UTers would like to see remade?!?!?

Whether you're partial to the new ut or not, maps can certainly make or break a game in a big way. That's why so many people are still playing the older UTs.. not only why mind you, but a big reason why for sure :)

Not to say that the new maps aren't welcome.. more like, the more maps the better! And why not recreate some of the old classics!


Maps that i would like to see make a comeback, that deserve honorable mention?

DM-Curse
DM-Agony
DM-Codex
DM-Gothic
DM-Gestalt
DM-Morpheus
DM-Liandri
DM-Stalwart
DM-Conveyor
DM-Malevolence
DM-Marica (??sp)
CTF-Coret
CTF-Rainbase
CTF-Thorns
CTF-Grendelkeep
CTF-Face


There are definitely others, but these are the first ones that come to mind that I really enjoyed playing..

how about you guys?

[re8]

CTF-Face +1

ONS-Dria
ONS-Redplanet
ONS-Masterbath
ONS-Battlefront
But, I hope that one side has the necris vehicles, & not just a refresh of all the revised vehicles.

[_Lynx]

Meh, how could you forget DM-Tempest? It would be nice to see Barricade too.

As for CTF - Dreary is a must be. Also, Coret is already in the game: http://liandri.beyondunreal.com/Unreal_Tournament_3#Maps.

[Scoobydooby]

^ oh sweet action Lynx.. thanks man I had no idea!

Scratch that one then..

[bclagge]

Am I the only demo server fanatic?

ONS-Torlan
ONS-Primeval

[re8]

ONS-TorlanThere will already be a neo-Torlan map shipped with UT3.

[Sjosz]

CTF-Grendelkeep <3
CTF-Pistola <3

[Grim]

CTF-Dreary from UT and CTF-Orbital2 from UT2k3/4 would be nice. :)

[Grim]

btw CTF-Coret that is mentioned in your list will be included as a official remake in retail release of UT3.

[Wobbly]

Does no one else miss the fetid sewer from the original UT? That has to be one of the funniest and fastest bloodbaths that UT ever served up, especially with a full server. I'd LOVE to see a remake of the misty dark dank and claustrophobic sewer again.

[blackout]

I really liked CTF-Kosov which was part of a UT99-Bonuspack. Symmetrical gameplay, absolutely assymetrical graphics style. One base was a bunker, the other one kind of a cave or something.

[Fizzyxl]

HALL OF GIANTS!!!
i loved that map.

[Scoobydooby]

^ great call.. hall of giants was a rip roaring good time with LG

And the sewers were a good call too.. total bloodbath. So much fun :D

[GoodAndy]

I remember hearing some Epic Games guy (in a Gamespot interview) talking about how they were tired of the floatiness in UT2004. So I instantly thought that we weren't going to get another Morpheus. But who knows, we might.

[Scoobydooby]

^ Would be really sad if we didn't. One of the biggest things that appealed to me about the older UTs was the plentiful and diverse map selection that anyone could get when playing on a better server.

It would be a shame if they took lots of the diversity out of the map selection in ut3. It should get better over time, not wose!

[Legendary_Lee]

Im with you, I also still like the ut99 maps better than ut2k4. Some of my favorites that werent mentioned are:

DM-Deck-16/Deck-17, etc..
DM-Tempest
DM-Zeto
DM-Hyperblast
DM-Barricade

[Serendipity]

I was a hardcore UT'99 ctf player but it has been so long...
hmz... names names

Maps from Epic

ctf-november
ctf-coret
ctf-lavagiant (!!!!)
ctf-face (!!!!)
ctf-hydro16
...

Custom maps that were VERY good and played in leagues

ctf-bollwerk105 (my fav ctf map, original quake map i think)
ctf-lucius
ctf-mcswartzly][
ctt-ranel
...

I think anyone who played '99 ctf on a decent level will agree with all the names on this list lol ;)

[AniMuS]

The maps i liked the most, and were the most played in iCTF leagues, matches, servers were:

Gauntlet
EternalCaves
Niven_SE
BrokenLimits
DukuCB3
Sprinta
Dreary
Coret

These maps were just awesome. Excelent movement, gameplay and strategy going on on them.

[nvleafs]

I really hope they will put Morpheus in UT3, that was my favorite map in UT.

[m4l@kai]

My type is
dm-campgrounds2004-g1e

and this 2 maps propably will be in full version so what is the problem?
Dm-Zeto,CTF-Coret

[{NBK}XipE]

My Wish List:

DM/TDM:
Tempest
Liandri
Conveyor
Gothic

CTF:
Grendlekeep
Citadel
Dreary
Terra

[Dozinator]

ONS Dawn
ONS Crossfire

DM Deck 16 Please.

[Nacher]

You guys do know that CTF-Hydro is in UT3 retail? CTF-Coret as well.

DM-Diesel is some kind of DM-Turbine on steroids and DM-Deimos is Phobos+Hyperblast type.

[bazzwano]

DM tempest is great, my fave CTF map would have to be the UT1 comunity made CTF Baronco, that map has the best layout ever!!!!!!!!! have a look!

[G-Mein]

someone only has to do the entire maps of UT99 in UT3 :) so how great that would be to play Face or Dreary or November in UT3? I think the whole Community would be glad to have these maps...

[Insidiae]

I would hail the one who makes DM-Liandri

[Lareee]

dm-goose2k4
dm-corrugation

these 2 would surely work in ut3

[Taboen]

campgrounds is perfect for ut3

[rozy]

CTF-Sprinta (CB4 version , found on clanbase.com) should really be remade for UT3. The map is pretty open, nice platforms, fast, etc.

A must for map makers !


Also CTF-Extortion (maybe a bigger version?) ?

Gauntlet anyone?

[KingLollo]

Why is everyone so pathentic about map remakes.

I guess noone really knows how much time and affort you need to create a good map. With the new engine and the details added its even more time. Guess you should take about 2-3 month to complete a map.

I doubt there are that much map makers that want to invest that affort just to REMAKE a map.

Wouldnt you call it stupid if you are an artist and everyone just want you to rebuild the Mona Lisa, just it is the best picture at all times ?

What about ideas for new maps ?
Its always the same with remakes.... they just §"$§"$ me off

[rozy]

The maps usually mentioned are just good maps for competitive play.
If accurate remakes of those maps aren't possible or take too much time, at least map makers can get inspired and take the good elements of those maps, that make them popular.

Many map mapers don't have a clue about what a competitive map is, e.g. a good CTF map, that is balanced,etc. Some have, and that's why those maps are now 'known' and really popular in the competitive community.

[KingLollo]

Dont tell me the hows and whys about competive gaming. I played UT since 2000 or whatever and I was not that bad. I even understand how to create a good map. Its just this... omfg we need a remake, because we cant release the future and learn something new.....

It's like comparing all UT games and try to change every aspect of them. UT != UT2k3 != UT2k4 != UT3, just learn that and try to adept.

You should even now that the 100th deck wont make a better future.... you will just be stuck in ur old behavier.... is that really the way to go ?

I would prefer some new maps....

[SandRock]

Could you add all mentioned maps into the first post? Easier to not double-mention maps.

So ill just add:
CTF-Control
CTF-Esprit
CTF-Bollwerk for now ;)

[CreepyD]

I'm probly gonna remake DM-Codex.
Quite a few people have asked me to do it as it's good for both TDM and 1v1.
It will hopefuly keep the feel of the original without adding too much detail - I'll design it with clan wars and high skill 1v1 in mind from the start.

[RenegadeXan]

only map that really need a come back is face and hum i think its gonna be in a bonus pack

[Nawrot]

The maps usually mentioned are just good maps for competitive play.
If accurate remakes of those maps aren't possible or take too much time, at least map makers can get inspired and take the good elements of those maps, that make them popular.

Many map mapers don't have a clue about what a competitive map is, e.g. a good CTF map, that is balanced,etc. Some have, and that's why those maps are now 'known' and really popular in the competitive community.

Folks write good topic about map layout for UT3, it is already needed for all those DM-ReedemerQube-1337 mappers. There was some howto for UT2004 but that changed now more like in ut99 direction. Usually mappers are not good fraggers, making decent map just takes time from happy fragging. There is reason why most decent looking maps have bad layout and those average looking have more good flow maps.

[Phoenix86]

DM-Morpheus
DM-Fetid
DM-Peak
DM-Zeto

CTF-Eternal Cave
CTF-Lava Giant

[coresniper]

DM-Healpod
DM-(The other one Teddy "Teddabot" Tapawan[can't remember his name] remade for UT)
and of Course: DM-PressureChamber

[Borgschulze]

I want a CTF-Face...

Face classic was the sole reason I even played UT2K4.

[{BFG}Mc]

read next post, forgot the quote oops

[{BFG}Mc]

Why is everyone so pathentic about map remakes.

I guess noone really knows how much time and affort you need to create a good map. With the new engine and the details added its even more time. Guess you should take about 2-3 month to complete a map.

I doubt there are that much map makers that want to invest that affort just to REMAKE a map.

Wouldnt you call it stupid if you are an artist and everyone just want you to rebuild the Mona Lisa, just it is the best picture at all times ?

What about ideas for new maps ?
Its always the same with remakes.... they just §"$§"$ me off

I do respect the above opinion, but I would have to disagree for me

Sometimes playing a map from the start, and the remakes there after is what it is about

for example, Our clan plays about 80-90% of it's matches on Morpheus3 (we love it)
Now some people would say thats a rubbish map etc etc, and thats their opinion, But
I've played people online for as long as I can remember on this map, and would hate to think that someone out there would not remake it for UT3.

My only wish is that I too had more time to learn a new skill like map making, but I don't
so I know I only add to the burden of people requesting old maps, but sometimes
the old ones are the best

Mc

[Dekrayzis]

I'm currently working on Primeval, a necris version. but i can take the grunge out and have it look more like an update of the original map later.

[Reverse]

I'd like to see FaceClassic and Flux2 :)

[Beast03]

CTF- Face, BridgeOfFate

Basically the main reason i even played UT2k4. LG/Instagib owns in these!!

[Borgschulze]

I've been playing with the editors, and they don't seem to be in any way compatible with each other :( I was hoping I could export Face classes meshes, and import them into the UT3 editor... :(

[Marsfyre]

I call dibs on zeto

[KillBait!]

I've started Stalwart and StalwartXL.. dont know long it'll take as im learing the UT3 specific stuff as i go along..

[Marsfyre]

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8199/screenshot00005uu3.jpg

what do you guys think? about 1.5 x UT scale maybe??

[MrZeaL]

aww, you should be working on DM-Under-][ before anything else :|

[Andeh]

DM-Zeto, awesome map, finish it!!

[[TN]ultrajounin]

DM-Viridian Dreams :)

[PyroFiRE]

CTF-Lucius
CTF-Orbital
CTF-Eternal Caves
CTF-Gauntlet
CTF-Face (best map ive ever played imo)
CTF-Lavagiant
DM-Liandri

instagib on gauntlet/eternal caves/face

good times... damn good times

[Insane-NL]

DM-Snipertown


is it called like that? Its a big city sniper only back in ut99


Damn i loved those sniper only maps :)

[Donal]

CTF-Hall Of Giants (HoG as low-grav instagib DM is cool too - and make it big enough for vehicles!)

Also, not a map remake but a mod remake that I'd like to see - Holy Wars!

and... CTF-High and DM-Crane from UT99 :)

[Aled]

CTF-Collossus

[Moribundus_VII]

CTF-Diamondsword
DM-Morpheus (How could they release the game without morpheus?)
CTF-Lavagiant
CTF-November
DOM-Sesmar, remade as DM

[Teknoman]

Face (any version remake, even a brand new edition) and Lavagiant in Unreal Engine 3 would be amazing.

[Kpow]

Is anyone working on Face?

[PacVeli]

DM-Liandri
DM-StalwardXL
DM-Oblivion
DM-Curse
and..

CTF-Face - The King stay the King :)

[Lightningstrike]

DOM-Wolfsbay (http://liandri.beyondunreal.com/Image:DOM-Wolfsbay.jpg)
but as DM. ^_^

[Mouzer]

will i be murdered by the internets for suggesting CTF-Joust ? Oh god the never ending slaughter that was that map.

[HANx]

I made a map that has a simillar layout of DM-GESTALT my favourite map in ut2k4. DM-Viscosity "The Liandri Viscous Satellite" (http://forums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=601980&highlight=DM-GESTALT)

[LordStrider]

http://img266.imageshack.us/img266/8199/screenshot00005uu3.jpg

what do you guys think? about 1.5 x UT scale maybe??


1.5x scale turns out to be rather big. 1.25x is much closer. A room that is 512 units in UT99 should be 640 units in UT3. That is from my experience......your mileage (and/or preferences) may vary. :)

[Nawrot]

http://uthost.rwven.com/nawrot/CTF-October/CTF-October07.jpg

http://uthost.rwven.com/nawrot/CTF-October/CTF-October09.jpg

[bazzwano]

Iv done a remake of Infested.. beta is out.. final out this week

[MisterTrioxin]

I was always disappointed by the lack of a Kosov Canyon (best map ever) remake for UT2k3/4.

It was a great asymmetrical CTF map; and could be made so cool looking with the current engine.

I'd kill for it.

[BooRad]

Does no one else miss the fetid sewer from the original UT? That has to be one of the funniest and fastest bloodbaths that UT ever served up, especially with a full server. I'd LOVE to see a remake of the misty dark dank and claustrophobic sewer again.

I miss this map, and its secrets.....:)

(Hint: some nifty translocating may reveal goodies)

[coxxon]

I'd like to see CTF-Bridge of Fate (CTF or as a indoor WAR map).

[Gumbypants]

I was always disappointed by the lack of a Kosov Canyon (best map ever) remake for UT2k3/4.

It was a great asymmetrical CTF map; and could be made so cool looking with the current engine.

I'd kill for it.

+1 to that.

I would like to see Face remade of course, but I secretly long for a new version of lava giant.

[clark kent]

CTF Maps that are re-done: Most are running on my server @ 8.12.69.86

FaceClassic
Pistola
GrendelKeep
Coret
DarkSide
Thorn's V2
Thorn's-V3
Thorn's-V4
Thorn's-NAW
RomraMoonStation
D-Day
Extortion (I don't like this version but oh well)
Incinerator
Orbital2007 (Hated it!)

Soon to be released are: 2Pyramid's, October, a symmetrical version similar to November, Antfractous, and another version of FaceClassic. If anyone know of others please post them here with links please!!! :D Sorry I hate DM so I could care less! :p

PS - To all you mappers out there. If you want your board played make it symmetrical, if you are an " Artiste' " the do what you want but it won't get much air time IMHO...

[Zenoth]

I would love to see a reincarnation of Takara Forest for UT3.

[clark kent]

They have a map converter that doesn't really work well, or so I am told so don't hold your breath for that one!