make UT3 like UT1/UT2004?

[re8]

Wondering if people would like to help mod UT3 to play/look more like UT2004. I'm all about moving foward, but I've seen many complaints that UT3 is too consolish; & I have to agree; if I wanted to play Xbox games I'd buy an Xbox! Tank & alt-flak splash damaged is too reduced (http://utforums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=579518), etc...

I don't want start a debate, but provide a solution. The UT series always has had a great set of modding tools, to allow we users make UT3 play exactly the way we want!

Really, the only thing I want to do is to make the tanks' weapons act more like UT2004, & have the handling for most of the vehicles act more like UT2004 also. If someone wants to make new more '04ish models than the cartoony-console vehicle models we have now, that would be great because I'm no modeler. Other ideas a welcome...

[warlord57]

Some stuff would be nice to see back in UT3 from UT2004 :) The original weapon for the scorpion would be nice to have, can't think of other stuff atm but I know there is more that would be cool to see in UT3.

[Taboen]

tha dodge-jump, which made the game great. ;)

[specialsymbol]

The old weapons remodeled- and the excessive mod! Nothing better to play as a last map on a LAN than this one in a gothic setting on a plateau with excessive mod.
Don't remember the name of the map right now though, it was a community map, set atop a peak with some castle on it (well, kind of), all outdoor, some lava bassins and one secret room with Ion-painter below.

[Lert]

Uhm .. There already IS game that looks and plays just like UT2004. It's called UT2004. I like my UT3 fine the way it is, thank you. :)

[Simeon]

Yeah, if I wanna play UT2004 I'll play that game ;) Epic has worked for years to make the next installment in the UT series so try to make something for that, like mods or maps ;)

[Sunny]

i agree there, if you want ut3 to be like 2k4 why dont you just stay playing 2k4 and let the people who want to play ut3 play ut3 i dont see why people always have to change things? :mad:

[Apathy]

If someone wants to make new more '04ish models than the cartoony-console vehicle models we have now

One of the complaints about UT2003/4 was the fact that it looked too cartoonish.

[Wail of Suicide]

I voted no, but we will have to see if UT3 gets the footsoldier to vehicle balance right.

Currently, I'm really loving DM and the core weapons. But in VCTF there are definite balance issues with the vehicles. Footsoldier - Vehicle balance is actually one thing UT2004 did overwhelmingly well, and bringing that back would not be a bad idea.

[WickedPenguin]

If someone wants to make new more '04ish models than the cartoony-console vehicle models we have now, that would be great because I'm no modeler.

In what way or on what planet are the UT3 vehicles more "cartoony" than the UT2004 ones?

[CrysAk]

UT99 imo ^^

[Perfect_Dark]

I like the game play the way it is,I'm sure that most of the things your asking for will come along in Mods.only thing from 2k4 needed is the browser but they heard that already and i'm sure there gonna be hard at work on that.:D

[GunmanUK]

Theres nothin wrong with it the way it is, UT2k3 and 2k4 sucked, UT3 is good so feck off and dont try get them to change things.

[jackrustycog]

You want ut3 to be more like 2004 or 99? Ok take the ut3 unreal editor, export all the new characters,guns and particle effects out. Import them into unreal ed2.5 and make it run through a mutator. You want the ut3 levels too? Then redo the above.

Epic has made another good game, you whiners cried about 99, you cried about 2003/2004 you even cried about gears and now your crying about ut3. Epic isnt making a game to fit one persons wants, Thier making a game for EVERYONE.

I'm saying stop whining you *****s and mutate the game to your likeing and leave epic the **** alone, Epic is Immortally awesome when it comes to making games.

[NobodyImportant]

Which is why we are in the user maps and mods forum. If you don't want to play such a mod, why are you here harassing people? We like the engine. We don't specific parts of the game they made on the engine. Rather than trying to stop our evil scheme to destroy your game, you should be out encouraging people who might not buy the game at all to make and play mods for UT3 that will both make them happy and boost sales of the game you're trying to support.

That said, I think the weapons have mostly been changed for the better, and the vehicles certainly. However, I still wouldn't mind seeing those things return individually. Some people want to re-create Onslaught and Assault, so providing them the option of bringing back 2k4 Weapons & Vehicles via a mutator doesn't seem like a bad thing. Not everyone will use it, but it's nice to have it just in case, right?

I already said in another thread that I wouldn't mind seeing a 'Classic Weapons' mod and a 'Classic Movement' mod with options for '99\'03\'04\UT3 settings. Eventually combining into a 'Configure Everything!' mutator like Unreal Toolbox or TweakTool with presets for those games. That's getting a little ahead of things, but it's something everyone could appreciate even if they didn't use the presets.

[Sunny]

ut3 is good as it is it doesnt need changing, but system specs should be like ut99/ ut2k4 because not everyone can play it which means if they want to play it they have to upgrade there pc just for one game :)

[NobodyImportant]

ut3 is good as it is it doesnt need changing, but system specs should be like ut99/ ut2k4 because not everyone can play it which means if they want to play it they have to upgrade there pc just for one game :)Uh.. Not sure you know the implications of what you're saying.

[re8]

That said, I think the weapons have mostly been changed for the better, and the vehicles certainly. However, I still wouldn't mind seeing those things return individually. Some people want to re-create Onslaught and Assault, so providing them the option of bringing back 2k4 Weapons & Vehicles via a mutator doesn't seem like a bad thing. Not everyone will use it, but it's nice to have it just in case, right?

I already said in another thread that I wouldn't mind seeing a 'Classic Weapons' mod and a 'Classic Movement' mod with options for '99\'03\'04\UT3 settings. Eventually combining into a 'Configure Everything!' mutator like Unreal Toolbox or TweakTool with presets for those games. That's getting a little ahead of things, but it's something everyone could appreciate even if they didn't use the presets.I think the weapons overall have changed for the better, though there are some who don't like the arc &/or splash damage of the 2ndary flack cannon (http://utforums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=579851), etc.

I was trying to figure out the easiest approach to do this, & though an in-game weapons editor would be best to get the instant results & faster to tweak, then have the ability to save/load settings. So, not only could a UT2004 configuration be made, but a UT99, Combo-only, who knows what else. I'd like to have weapon sets loadable by "class" or on a per-map basis. It would be even cooler that different weapon sets load on each round on the same map, to the maps more exciting to replay.

Thanks for the tip Unreal Toolbox or TweakTool, I think that is the best approach. Though my part in it will only be easy tweaks; ROF, damage, effects, perhaps simple visual things like color & projectile size. Remodeling the weapons, all new weapon types etc will be outside the scope of this for me, but if someone wants to roll in additional stuff that would be cool. Or this toolset can be use to help create outside modules...

Please people, don't get your underwear in a knot about this mod/tool. It is really only for those you like 95% UT3, but just would like to fine-tune a thing or two. Then if they say, "I wish ____ was more like UT2004!" or "This weapon feels weird to me.", then you can point them to this mod & tell them to quit their whining. I in no way saying Epic needs to change thing, just making it easier for those who wishes weapons were different to change things themselves.

[re8]

In what way or on what planet are the UT3 vehicles more "cartoony" than the UT2004 ones?UT2004's Goliath looks more like a real tank than UT3's, I can almost imagine someone making a '04 Scorpion lookalike with a VW bug kit, 04's Hellbender's squarish structure reminds me of HUMVEEs, etc.

In UT3, all of these remakes look too much alike to each other for me. All the corners are rounded, they are closer to each other in size, style, color, shape etc. I have a real hard time in telling the Scorpion & Hellbender apart, epically at a distance (even on my 21" monitor), & I never had that problem in UT2004. I assume they are all made similar on purpose to make a "theme" in that these vehicles are from one race, and the Necris's vehicles will look similar to each other. But I think the modelers and skinners went overboard with the similarities. Plus, they do seem more styled like they belong in a Sci-Fi animation, thus "cartoony". Actually for me, the Sci-Fi theme is cool, but the over-kill similarity is not.

I think for this mod, I'm going to skip the vehicle remakes aside from (hopefully) the weapon-tweaker tool to include vehicle weapons. But I hope someone finds a way to make each vehicle more unique from each other, or some way to tell apart easier.

[DGUnreal]

Maybe you should actually wait for the final release game before deciding whether you think UT3 is this or that... because currently you don't know.

[Sunny]

im saying that ut3 u need a really good rig to play it smooth etc, and not everyone who plays or has played the ut series has a good enough computer to run it at good settings etc im just saying why do they need to make games with oh so leet graphics etc that wouldnt run on peoples crappy computers?

[DGUnreal]

im saying that ut3 u need a really good rig to play it smooth etc, and not everyone who plays or has played the ut series has a good enough computer to run it at good settings etc im just saying why do they need to make games with oh so leet graphics etc that wouldnt run on peoples crappy computers?

I would think that the majority of people want to see advances in quality, not staying at the same level year after year.
And getting this higher quality has a price.
If you want a car that does 250 miles per hour, it will cost you.

[re8]

Maybe you should actually wait for the final release game before deciding whether you think UT3 is this or that... because currently you don't know.You bring up a good point. & I expect some minor reprogramming before UT3 goes gold.

But even if they perfect UT3, or revert to 2004 weapons, there will always be people want it different, even if they enjoy the defaults. I play on a UT2004 server when 60% of the vehicles are re-modded, & it is always amongst the most crowded. People enjoy variety. & I hope to do that, not to change they way everyone plays UT3. Unless everyone wants change :)

[Lehk]

I voted no, but we will have to see if UT3 gets the footsoldier to vehicle balance right.

Currently, I'm really loving DM and the core weapons. But in VCTF there are definite balance issues with the vehicles. Footsoldier - Vehicle balance is actually one thing UT2004 did overwhelmingly well, and bringing that back would not be a bad idea.

i don't know about that. i took out several vehicles on foot and got taken out by players on foot while driving multiple times. i guess we won't really know till the full version comes out, since 2kx definitely had variation between maps what combinations of weapons and vehicles were good against each other.

[re8]

I voted no, but we will have to see if UT3 gets the footsoldier to vehicle balance right.... in VCTF there are definite balance issues with the vehicles. Footsoldier - Vehicle balance is actually one thing UT2004 did overwhelmingly well, and bringing that back would not be a bad idea.The minigun is decent for taking down most vehicles, including Raptors (sooner or later). Infact, in VCTF, the minigun is my primary weapon. Mantas are hard to destroy without flying in a Raptor or using a AVRiL, which on the demo's vCTF-Suspence isn't available anywhere near the spawn points. I don't think AVRiLs are as cool as they were in UT2004 IMHO. Sniper rifles are too powerful also; no ballistics (bullet drop), often instant-kills... not as fun as it was in UT99, but I didn't play too many big maps like Suspence as in UT99.

So, I think are are some possibilities for changes. Again, we'll have to wait & see.

[Grim]

Go and play UT or UT2k4 if you are so freaking keen on that gameplay and leave UT3 alone.

[re8]

Go and play UT or UT2k4 if you are so freaking keen on that gameplay and leave UT3 alone.Thanks Grim for that productive comment.

[NakhtiUT3]

Thanks Grim for that productive comment.

Well it is the truth ... UT3 exists for a reason and the vast majority of us love it the way it is ... in fact most of us have been clamoring for this since UT2K3. UT2K4 is a great product and it is still around so it seems really stupid to want to turn a new game into an existing one on any level. I have to agree if you want to play UT2K4 then fine ... fire it up on your system, but UT3 is fine the way it is and this is only the beta demo. The full version is going to set the world on fire!

[unrealloco]

how about the ZARK Sniper like Sa2k4 and bring back our toilet car lol

[re8]

how about ... our toilet car lolYou know, toilet car races would be funny, wouldn't it? Alt-fire would be a "spill"... :p

[D4NO555666]

Why would you want to de-evolve the game?

The new versions of the weapons > the old ones by a far stretch. The designs are just much more awesome and the way they work in gameplay is much better.

[Ignotium]

Sorry but, GOD DAMN IT!

Let UT3 be UT3, not a remake of Ut99 or 2k4, damn!

kthxb

[tetsu]

i did not vote, but the hell people

NO. UT3 is perfect the way it is.

you haven´t even seen it yet. common sense much?

[HTM~Minion]

i did not vote, but the hell people

NO. UT3 is perfect the way it is.

you haven´t even seen it yet. common sense much?


Some of us don't have to see the final version to know what WE would want changed since the game basically IS the BETA demo.If you like the game the way it is then you've obviously clicked on the wrong forum category as this is a thread for MODS.

Everyone has thier own opinion on what they would like the game to be. I personally played 2k4 with the fixed "2k3 style" mutator. I like boost jumping..I like fast weapon switching and you probably don't. But I'm the one that's in the MODS category because I want changes.

I'm sure there will be countless vanilla UT3 servers out there for you guys that accept what the powers that be have offered you...others may want the game tweaked to thier liking.

Yes I brought this thread back to life just to complain about the complainers complaining about things they shouldn't be reading if they like the game the way it is. After all if it's the mods and muts that make this community great, carry on re8.

PM me if you need any beta testing done.

[Lee_Shagwell]

Some stuff would be nice to see back in UT3 from UT2004 :) The original weapon for the scorpion would be nice to have, can't think of other stuff atm but I know there is more that would be cool to see in UT3.

Dude, the original scorpian weapon SUCKED HARD.