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killastone
10-03-2007, 02:36 PM
Well I'm just wondering if anyone was considering a assault mod, or is warfare more or less objective based.
If not Can is someone going to mod a the physics to do rocket laucnhes,hammer launchers and power boot jumps
(If jump boots are in this version of ut).

Just Had to ask and figured this was the place to ask you modders, and coders.
Gugi
10-03-2007, 02:49 PM
oh, I think there will be plenty of the old features/mods/styles/whatever ported to UT3.
Lert
10-03-2007, 04:25 PM
Warfare rules allow for a mapper to make an old-style Assault type map as well as an old style Onslaught type map.
Mort_Q
10-03-2007, 05:30 PM
As Lert mentioned, that may not be necessary.



BeyondUnreal Interviews: Steve Polge (http://www.beyondunreal.com/content/articles/198_1.php)

With the flexible warfare objective system, level designers can create levels that play like classic Onslaught or classic Assault.

YMMV
Mr.UglyPants
10-03-2007, 05:54 PM
In Warfare (or whatever the name is), you can easily create maps (from watching multiple interviews) that can be either a mix (warfare), just plain ONS or just plain Assault.
Lostsoul
10-04-2007, 05:03 PM
Well I'm just wondering if anyone was considering a assault mod, or is warfare more or less objective based.
If not Can is someone going to mod a the physics to do rocket laucnhes,hammer launchers and power boot jumps
(If jump boots are in this version of ut).

Just Had to ask and figured this was the place to ask you modders, and coders.

Talk to LDS-555 at ProU, he plans to make a full AS mode.
Jake-SF
10-04-2007, 05:34 PM
As Lert mentioned, that may not be necessary.




YMMV

Anyone think this is a stupid idea? At least, if they forget about a good filter system. If so, we will not even be able to choose what we play at one point, just look at AS and Race/Trials maps and what happened with them. That sucked. No better word for it.
ne_skaju
10-05-2007, 07:54 AM
Warfare+Kismet= assault... I think
Lostsoul
10-05-2007, 12:59 PM
Shall see. So long as it plays like UT99 AS and not 2k4
Mort_Q
10-05-2007, 05:57 PM
Anyone think this is a stupid idea? At least, if they forget about a good filter system. If so, we will not even be able to choose what we play at one point, just look at AS and Race/Trials maps and what happened with them. That sucked. No better word for it.

Time will tell. I did include the word may deliberately.

It might be as simple as coding it to look for AS instead of WAR... not that I know how hard that would be.

I just see no reason for anyone to start building AS again from scratch if what EPIC has really is as flexible as they claim.
JaFO
10-06-2007, 02:45 PM
I see a really good reason to start AS as a separate gametype : alternate physics-model.
UT 3 is supposed to be more 'grounded'. The IRC-interview also practically stated that rocket-jumps are not 'supported' as the Impacthammer is designed for that feature (ie : explosives won't have the momentum that the hammer has).

Add to this that the AS community never liked Assault like Epic wanted it to be I doubt that Warfare/ONS will support the kind of features that they 'need' to be in there.

Otoh ... the community never finished the AS mod for UT2k3 and I doubt they loved Epic's version in UT2k4, so I wouldn't even bet on them finishing a gametype for UT3.

I do think that a map with Assault-like features would be a nice change of pace, but I doubt it would be fun as Warfare is focussed on long games instead of the 10-second games in AS.
Mort_Q
10-07-2007, 05:00 PM
... the 10-second games in AS.

The 10-second game was one of the reasons I didn't ever get into AS.

To each their own I guess.
Lostsoul
10-08-2007, 01:34 PM
Add to this that the AS community never liked Assault like Epic wanted it to be I doubt that Warfare/ONS will support the kind of features that they 'need' to be in there.

Otoh ... the community never finished the AS mod for UT2k3 and I doubt they loved Epic's version in UT2k4, so I wouldn't even bet on them finishing a gametype for UT3.

I do think that a map with Assault-like features would be a nice change of pace, but I doubt it would be fun as Warfare is focussed on long games instead of the 10-second games in AS.

Agreed, UT99 AS at this moment, is ten times the size of 2k4 AS in it's prime. Most 99 teams that came to 2k4 left in the first few months. It has only been kept going by the likes of www.drylobster.com in the NA and Danks and friends in Euroland.

I would much rather see Assault modded in to mimic UT99 Assault rather than have the same failures that 2k4 AS suffered from.
Lostsoul
10-08-2007, 01:36 PM
The 10-second game was one of the reasons I didn't ever get into AS.

To each their own I guess.

Love them myself. 10 seconds is by no means the standard. Takes a very well planned offense and a poor D to achieve.
Mort_Q
10-10-2007, 10:37 AM
Love them myself. 10 seconds is by no means the standard. Takes a very well planned offense and a poor D to achieve.

I don't have time to commit to a team or clan, and you can't learn that sort of coordinated offensive play with bots.

As I said here (http://forums.epicgames.com/showpost.php?p=24982339&postcount=3), it just wasn't fun for me, mostly due to the huge discrepancy between botmatch and online play.
Destini
10-25-2007, 10:53 AM
AS forever
VACkillers
10-25-2007, 07:19 PM
I think if theres gonna be an assault mod, take the vehicles out, as i think they ruin the game play of the old classic assault in UT99.
LagMasterSam
10-25-2007, 08:03 PM
If not Can is someone going to mod a the physics to do rocket laucnhes,hammer launchers and power boot jumps
(If jump boots are in this version of ut).

You can already launch just fine with the impact hammer and jump boots. I'm not sure how well team rocket launching works. I haven't tried that yet.


Talk to LDS-555 at ProU, he plans to make a full AS mode.

I'll be looking forward to that. :)
Felerian01
10-25-2007, 08:03 PM
i just see the problem that you join a server that is running "warfare" and then you get lets say onslaught or assault... same thing was in past in UT99 on Servers with "CTF and Bunny Track". Later in UT2k4 it was also anoying when you joined an AS Server and it had Race Maps running.... ruined the game totally.... would be sad if it happens to Warfare. I hope modders will make Gametype Assault or Onslaught then and call the maps "ONS-XXXXX" and "AS-XXXXX" instead of "WAR-ONS-XXXXXX" or "WAR-AS-XXXXXX".
Leo
11-28-2007, 03:33 AM
any news here ?
Hyperforce
11-28-2007, 03:44 AM
warfare is nothing like assault, actually its not even close. It has the element yes, but its far more like onslaught with objectives which doesn't help us to create assault maps.

Kismet also doesn't even have a system to make one team win if they complete an objective. theres not code or kismet sequence that allows for a timer to be reset to the right amount of time if the attacking team wins

(say team 1 wins in 5 minutes, then team 2 has 5 minutes to complete the objective.)


http://forums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?p=25118908
I'm currently looking for help from people to bring back assault. if your interested check that thread for further information.
Dankss
11-28-2007, 07:37 AM
+1 boooyaaaa
Felerian01
11-29-2007, 01:10 PM
actually warfare is not like onslaught.
It IS onslaught.
period.
Hyperforce
11-30-2007, 02:56 AM
actually warfare is not like onslaught.
It IS onslaught.
period.

I disagree, onslaught maps where a lot bigger :p

and that while at first when WARFARE was announced they said it would have maps 2 times the size of our biggest onslaught maps and would span multiple maps (by the use of a special loading system.) where eventually one player would be pushed to his base where the match would change into a more assault like gameplay... well that promise didn't stick.