here is why annex cannot have kill for kill

[{SM}LeadSniper]

dont get me wrong id love for my kills to count but you have to take into consideration the scum that would ABUSE it to get 100% completion. now as an above par player i could easily get 200 kills in 3 hours which is the norm of the host in a annex match, on the surface this seems ok but lets say we have 8 scumbags that have nothing better to do and boost each other 1 at a time.
now number crunching, we have 4 players on the opposing team and a 15 sec spawn time there are 4, 15 sec periods in 1 minute. now there are 60 minutes in 1 hours and there are 3 hours in an average game.
so 4x4x60x3=2,880 kills
now thats something, lets repeat that 4 more times and look at that we have 11,520 kills. that means 8 nubs could boost each other in 8 days provided they fully boost one person a day.
NOW YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN!!!!!
there is noway in heaven nor hell epic is going to allow kill for kill unless:
A-place a cap on how many kills count
B-make "X" annex kills count for 1 point towards kill-based achievements

epic after crunching the numbers myself i fully understand why and fully back your current decision on annex. this not to be interpertated as a flame to people. just enlightening you why. sure 90% us would never do such a thing but there is that 10% who is so desperate for that 64x64 pixel and text they ruin it for everone else.

and i leave with a quote i just came up with.
"Cheaters are like terrorists, they claim their motives are pure and will protect them by any means, eventhough they're destroying the game."

[Bigsam]

Ok, Sure, you just keep telling yourself that

[xX STS 4U2NV Xx]

Well Put Sniper! I Dont Care About Achievements, I Just Enjoy The Game.

[{SM}LeadSniper]

Ok, Sure, you just keep telling yourself that

and what is that suppose to mean sir? do you disagree with my math? or are all people pure and innocent? lets face facts people will abuse something if there is a way to abuse it. look at wep sliding, or chainsaw glitching, or infinite nades, or crab/moonwalking/roadie glitching people abused those to no end and they still would be there if epic didn't step in and remove them. (yes i know slide and chainsaw are still in there but they're much harder to do)
my post was intended to show people why annex cannot have it's kills count without somekind of countermeasure.

let me put it this way, lets say you took 5 months to get seriously legitly and you wear it with pride, now if annex was allowed kill for kill, you would have 12 year olds bragging they got seriously in 12+ hours. how would that make you feel? that you spent so much time and dedication and some punk with some equally low friends boosted their seriously in 12+ hours and brag about it. is it fair? not in the least. that is why i stand by epic's decision.

[iTz BARKER]

i fully agree...lol....getting the seriously would be so easy...if this did happen people would realize that the seriously achivement wouldnt even matter anymore because everyone would have it!!!

[{SM}LeadSniper]

seriously is like completeing that RPG 100% its something you take pride in, not something that 8 scumbags do in their leasure time to inflate their gamerscore and egos.

[iTz BARKER]

thank you!!! seriously is something you have to achieve..hence the name "achievement"...kudos to you leadsniper

[BackInYourHole]

that's exactly what i was saying in their petition thread

[{SM}LeadSniper]

same, im all for kills counting in annex
HOWEVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
there NEEDS to be a cap on how many can count or a ratio on how many annex kills would equate to 1 kill in WZ/exe

[iTz BARKER]

ya like every 10 kills=1 toward achievement..because if you average 200 kills per annex game that = 20 kills which is about the same you get in warzone/execution

[{SM}LeadSniper]

well id look at the worse-case scenario which i posted. so in a ratio 2,880 which ill round up to 3k id make the ratio 3000:150 which would be 20:1.

EDIT:and since the above par player could get about 200 in that timespan(3 hours) in WZ/Exe it would be LESS effective to go through annex which would yield 50 less kills. id be sneaky with something like this. make the boosters THINK they're being smart but if they had played WZ/exe they would be getting kills faster :D

[Justin1]

dont get me wrong id love for my kills to count but you have to take into consideration the scum that would ABUSE it to get 100% completion. now as an above par player i could easily get 200 kills in 3 hours which is the norm of the host in a annex match, on the surface this seems ok but lets say we have 8 scumbags that have nothing better to do and boost each other 1 at a time.
now number crunching, we have 4 players on the opposing team and a 15 sec spawn time there are 4, 15 sec periods in 1 minute. now there are 60 minutes in 1 hours and there are 3 hours in an average game.
so 4x4x60x3=2,880 kills
now thats something, lets repeat that 4 more times and look at that we have 11,520 kills. that means 8 nubs could boost each other in 8 days provided they fully boost one person a day.
NOW YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN!!!!!
there is noway in heaven nor hell epic is going to allow kill for kill unless:
A-place a cap on how many kills count
B-make "X" annex kills count for 1 point towards kill-based achievements

epic after crunching the numbers myself i fully understand why and fully back your current decision on annex. this not to be interpertated as a flame to people. just enlightening you why. sure 90% us would never do such a thing but there is that 10% who is so desperate for that 64x64 pixel and text they ruin it for everone else.

and i leave with a quote i just came up with.
"Cheaters are like terrorists, they claim their motives are pure and will protect them by any means, eventhough they're destroying the game."

at first i was against the idea of this not counting.. and i did think about the boosting being the reason (didnt think too much about it) .. but your post here has made me agree... it would have been stupid to make them count towards kill-based achievements... you could get EVERY achievement in 1 game


p.s. your math was good but a little flawed... you only win once you get "X" number of points right?... all the people would have to do is keep the point neutral... and there ya go.. endless kills untill you get what you want, if they had the time, everyone could potentially get every single kill-based achievement in Gears.. with 1 annex game

[{SM}LeadSniper]

yeah but i was basing it on average times, sure people could ignore all together and play for 12 hours straight and such. this thread was a comparasion to the average host/above par player which could get 200 kills in 3 hours vs the 8 boosters who could get 2,880 kills in that same span of time.

[MikeyThePirate]

Just reading off the first post, I am happy that there are no achievments for Annex. It is a good goal to go for getting the 10,000 I am almost there and my other friend has the 10,000 kills. Now if they let you get it with Annex that is not fair to the people who worked hard for their kills vs some noob that just plays annex. I think annex is not made for ranked matches, I think it is more enjoyable with my friends in a player match.

[WoolyPower]

well id look at the worse-case scenario which i posted. so in a ratio 2,880 which ill round up to 3k id make the ratio 3000:150 which would be 20:1.

EDIT:and since the above par player could get about 200 in that timespan(3 hours) in WZ/Exe it would be LESS effective to go through annex which would yield 50 less kills. id be sneaky with something like this. make the boosters THINK they're being smart but if they had played WZ/exe they would be getting kills faster :D

Some boosters ALREADY think they are getting 200kills per game. It's pretty funny.
Some say "Sweet! I'm gonna get my achievement in no time if we keep this up!", I want to tell them, but I'm evil.

[Ik0n]

dont get me wrong id love for my kills to count but you have to take into consideration the scum that would ABUSE it to get 100% completion. now as an above par player i could easily get 200 kills in 3 hours which is the norm of the host in a annex match, on the surface this seems ok but lets say we have 8 scumbags that have nothing better to do and boost each other 1 at a time.
now number crunching, we have 4 players on the opposing team and a 15 sec spawn time there are 4, 15 sec periods in 1 minute. now there are 60 minutes in 1 hours and there are 3 hours in an average game.
so 4x4x60x3=2,880 kills
now thats something, lets repeat that 4 more times and look at that we have 11,520 kills. that means 8 nubs could boost each other in 8 days provided they fully boost one person a day.
NOW YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN!!!!!
there is noway in heaven nor hell epic is going to allow kill for kill unless:
A-place a cap on how many kills count
B-make "X" annex kills count for 1 point towards kill-based achievements

epic after crunching the numbers myself i fully understand why and fully back your current decision on annex. this not to be interpertated as a flame to people. just enlightening you why. sure 90% us would never do such a thing but there is that 10% who is so desperate for that 64x64 pixel and text they ruin it for everone else.

and i leave with a quote i just came up with.
"Cheaters are like terrorists, they claim their motives are pure and will protect them by any means, eventhough they're destroying the game."

An achievement means nothing right? So who cares if they get it. It's a ranked gametype and you should get kills from it.

[Mystery.O]

you are spending way too much time thinking about this

[BlackSwordsman01]

Difficulty of kills is not different frequency in which you get those kills have changed. The fact of the matter is that they are depriving annex players from achievements. Seriously also does not take skill but time consumption. Why should other players care if everyone has seriously. Its not like other players care if they have it or not.

[doofman12]

Achivments only count in ranked matches and atleast 1 person in a ranked match wouldent let people boost

[Ivory Blaze]

I disagree your kills should count in Annex. I'm not that good at the game so I have a hard enough time as it is trying to get the 100 killcount achievments. Just because Joe Blow wants to cheat to get his doesn't mean I should have to suffer. In the end we will know who the good players are, and who cheats.

[Laughing Fetus]

I say don't make 'em count.

[ssupermario92]

dont get me wrong id love for my kills to count but you have to take into consideration the scum that would ABUSE it to get 100% completion. now as an above par player i could easily get 200 kills in 3 hours which is the norm of the host in a annex match, on the surface this seems ok but lets say we have 8 scumbags that have nothing better to do and boost each other 1 at a time.
now number crunching, we have 4 players on the opposing team and a 15 sec spawn time there are 4, 15 sec periods in 1 minute. now there are 60 minutes in 1 hours and there are 3 hours in an average game.
so 4x4x60x3=2,880 kills
now thats something, lets repeat that 4 more times and look at that we have 11,520 kills. that means 8 nubs could boost each other in 8 days provided they fully boost one person a day.
NOW YOU SEE WHAT I MEAN!!!!!
there is noway in heaven nor hell epic is going to allow kill for kill unless:
A-place a cap on how many kills count
B-make "X" annex kills count for 1 point towards kill-based achievements

epic after crunching the numbers myself i fully understand why and fully back your current decision on annex. this not to be interpertated as a flame to people. just enlightening you why. sure 90% us would never do such a thing but there is that 10% who is so desperate for that 64x64 pixel and text they ruin it for everone else.

and i leave with a quote i just came up with.
"Cheaters are like terrorists, they claim their motives are pure and will protect them by any means, eventhough they're destroying the game."

....I love you:D

[HyperWiz]

Okay? You don't need to say that everyone does this. I can't get 1k kills without using up my free time and I'm not even close to 10k.

I say add them. Most people are pretty much casual, not hard-core who spend all their time with GoW.

:\?

[xaor]

I don't think that it should matter whether its abusable or not.

They should count, they are legitimate kills. Perhaps you should only have half of your kills count.

I mean, maybe we shouldn't play Gears if someones going to abuse it.


If they abuse it and get the achievement? Oh no!!!!

Do you REALLY care whether Joe ScumBloggs has it?

[{SM}LeadSniper]

as a matter of fact i do. why should some asshat be able to play 4 games (or one game for that matter if they totally disregard the mode in of itself) and get it in 12+ hours when i've been playing since november and have only gotten 60% there. your right i shouldn't care but by giving the people the opportunity they will abuse it and make it worthless. seriously shows you have dedicated time to this game and that you are a seasoned vet and a jack(or jill) of all trades. its more than 64x64 pixels and texts its like completing that RPG 100% and you got to see that true, great ending as opposed to the normal lame one. yes i know people farm kills and seriously but it still takes time. when i see a person with seriously i make sure not to underestimate them for that reason.
by give kills to annex will be like what happened in halo 2, the cheaters move on in(boosters in this case) destroy what the achievment and the people who got it the long way means and brag about it in their high pitch 12 year old voices.

i respect your opinions now please understand where i come from.

edit: i applogise to the handful of minors that don't act their age and act like us mature gamers, kudos to you.

[{SM}LeadSniper]

Just reading off the first post, I am happy that there are no achievments for Annex. It is a good goal to go for getting the 10,000 I am almost there and my other friend has the 10,000 kills. Now if they let you get it with Annex that is not fair to the people who worked hard for their kills vs some noob that just plays annex. I think annex is not made for ranked matches, I think it is more enjoyable with my friends in a player match.

i agree but i think it should be for ranked matches, but they ether put a kill cap or make a ratio to annex kills to WZ/exe kills.

[Brahji]

and what is that suppose to mean sir? do you disagree with my math? or are all people pure and innocent? lets face facts people will abuse something if there is a way to abuse it. look at wep sliding, or chainsaw glitching, or infinite nades, or crab/moonwalking/roadie glitching people abused those to no end and they still would be there if epic didn't step in and remove them. (yes i know slide and chainsaw are still in there but they're much harder to do)
my post was intended to show people why annex cannot have it's kills count without somekind of countermeasure.

let me put it this way, lets say you took 5 months to get seriously legitly and you wear it with pride, now if annex was allowed kill for kill, you would have 12 year olds bragging they got seriously in 12+ hours. how would that make you feel? that you spent so much time and dedication and some punk with some equally low friends boosted their seriously in 12+ hours and brag about it. is it fair? not in the least. that is why i stand by epic's decision.

dont worry about him, he's probably just part or that 10%

[{SM}LeadSniper]

Difficulty of kills is not different frequency in which you get those kills have changed. The fact of the matter is that they are depriving annex players from achievements. Seriously also does not take skill but time consumption. Why should other players care if everyone has seriously. Its not like other players care if they have it or not.

it does take skill alot of it. and how would you feel if you had seriously and it took you 5 months to get glitch/boosting free and then some new guy and 7 of his friends all get it within the week, brag about it, flaunt in your face. then loose horribly to vets and smearing the name of the achievment. how would that make you feel? all that work and time for asshats who only want to inflate their gamerscore come in and smear the name of the achievment. you'd hate it, sure you say you don't care but you, i, that legit micless player in the corner to the left all care and its something we all worked towards. there are very few achievments out there that hold such honor as seriously. do you want to see some nubs take it, shove it up their asses then sh*t it back out and rub it in your face? i don't think so.


edit: sorry just REALLY REALLY sleep deprived night everyone and only 48 hours till i can play my 360 again.....

[Brahji]

Okay? You don't need to say that everyone does this. I can't get 1k kills without using up my free time and I'm not even close to 10k.

I say add them. Most people are pretty much casual, not hard-core who spend all their time with GoW.

:\?

plain and simple, you dont get the achievement, if your not hardcore, its not meant for you to get in the first year of playing.

[daze23]

there are very few achievments out there that hold such honor as seriously

not really

the top ranked execution player this week has played 78 matches, has 1655 kills, and it's barely thursday. thats 1655 kills in 4 days... thats your seriously achievement in less than a month

[{SM}LeadSniper]

i dont care about those people who waste time boosting in an exe match or warzone becuase it still takes time to reach 10k. sure you may think 1 month isnt a long time but compare it to people who would boost if we had kill foe kill in annex you could get it in 1! 1 day, 24 hours! understand!? see im about 50-60% there on a full-time college/work budget and can only play on the weekends but since im an above par player i can go on rooftops and get 30+ kills in a 30 min match and get about 200 kills in a good gaming session. now it has been almost 6 months since i started and it would destroy everything to me is some asshat came along and got in 1 day when it took me 6 months to get it and smeared its name by loosing every match he plays. you may not care but i do. its an achievement not a gimme prize and i want it to stay like that.

[FLAV2000]

{SM}LeadSniper

Your math is kinda off. While the numbers you used are true the rules of the game throw them off.
Random respawns can add seconds
Kill time adds seconds
"protection" after respawn adds maybe a second or two.
I played with the number and even taking 6 seconds to find the random spawn point each time, adding 6 seconds kill time and adding a second of "protection" before you can be killed cuts down the number of kills you can get in a minute. From 16 to 6 or 9 depending on how long it takes you to kill them.
Dont take this the wrong way just read my last post

http://gearsforums.epicgames.com/showthread.php?t=567738&page=7

just makes me wonder if the kill ratio would really be that far off and such an advantage to use Annex.

[{SM}LeadSniper]

on big maps like fuel depot you are absolutely correct there would be significantly less kills in that 3 hour span. however we forget we have raven down which is the easiest map to get around time-wise.

im all for a ratio of "X" annex kills=1 point towards kill achievements. but the purpose of this thread was to show the pro-kill for kill annex are making a SERIOUS lack in good judgement.

[aserfweg420]

So... Annex is like Player matchs with leaderboards??? boreing.................

[FLAV2000]

on big maps like fuel depot you are absolutely correct there would be significantly less kills in that 3 hour span. however we forget we have raven down which is the easiest map to get around time-wise.


Ya didnt think about that one as I never play on it.

[{SM}LeadSniper]

sort of, but you still can get "series of tubes", "remember your alway's 1st", "don't hate the player", and "can't touch me." so its not totally worthless....

[{SM}LeadSniper]

Ya didnt think about that one as I never play on it.

i love raven down its a great map to practice CQC, its because of that map i got so much better at CQC, but anyway.....

[OAxPAULxUK]

okay so you say this dude... but what to say they cant do this in warzone.. i mean come on stick it on 1 minute rounds kill 3 people let the round tie and start again... so what it takes an hour more.

i'm fed up of people saying there are sad boosters in ranked matches on gears... i'm sorry you get it in all games you shouldn 't stop the lagit players from getting the achievements just because there are a select few...

if you go look at my achievements you will see i only got like executions and all around the world achievement because i dont like ranked matches cuz i play with friends. but people have really got to stop saying you can get more kills annex which makes boosting a problem... because its already a problem

[{SM}LeadSniper]

your right you can get 3 kills a min but in annex you can get 16 in a min thats almost 6x more so sure boosting occours im not saying it doesnt. what im saying is that seriously is hard earned achievement and enabling annex without some kind of counter measure we'll see people getting it in 1 day, all the MP achievements in 1 day for that matter. its not just seriously but all of them and its something id rather not see.

[K I L B U R N]

you are spending way too much time thinking about this


hahahah, most deffinately.

[daze23]

people that play 24/7 aren't really "boosting". they just have like 3 people playing one gamertag. they have no life, but they're not just getting free kills. thats why I don't worry about my rank cause I know I don't have the time to compete with these kids

[{SM}LeadSniper]

im not talking about people who have 3 people from different time zones playing the same tag, im talking about nooby 12 yeat olds who would abuse it then rub it in our faces, then disgrace it by constantly loosing in said ranked matches. man i just wish mark or cliffy would grace my thread and voice their reason.....

[AnEternalEnigma]

If it wasn't going to count toward the achievement, Annex shouldn't have been put in ranked. You can't just make exceptions like that as you go along. It comes off as pretty poor planning.

[{SM}LeadSniper]

no the other non-kill related achievements you still can get.
and id rather play in ranked becuase less likely people will quit as opposed to player. but thats my opinion.

[daze23]

im not talking about people who have 3 people from different time zones playing the same tag, im talking about nooby 12 yeat olds who would abuse it then rub it in our faces, then disgrace it by constantly loosing in said ranked matches.

oh I've played against plenty of people with the seriously achievement that weren't that good. I played against this "clan" once, 3 out of 4 had "seriously". but THEY SUCKED. all they could do was chainsaw glitch. it was funny cause the whole match everytime they fell behind they would come out chainsaw glitching. thats another problem, but yeah...

[{SM}LeadSniper]

yes there are a handful of people that disgrace the name but the MAJORITY are really good vets. and i want it to stay like that, is that too much to understand?

[Mystery.O]

If it wasn't going to count toward the achievement, Annex shouldn't have been put in ranked. You can't just make exceptions like that as you go along. It comes off as pretty poor planning.

QFTMFT... you cant say achievements only can be in ranked, than introduced a ranked match that helps and go "OH WE MESSED UP, HOW WILL WE SPIN THIS... OH WAIT, WAIT, WE CAN JUST TELL THEM, SINCE THERE ARE RESPAWNS, WE CANT GIVE YOU ACHIEVEMENTS." If you are gonna implement rules as you go, than might as well give us host names back, why cant that happen. Microsoft's TRUSKILL doesnt not allow friends to play together in ranked, why do they follow that and not the achievement rule?

[{SM}LeadSniper]

becuase trueskill is flawed i can get friends in easy! that is how i get people to come into my games in the 1st place. epic knows well with being able to get 16, thats right 16 kills a minute my friend just confirmed this for me you could get seriously in 12 hours or less. now my fine friend do you think that the players who spent months earning that achievment should be blindsided by people whith no lives and get it in 12 hours?