Annex sucks. . . and here's why.

[jkflipflop]

Before I point out this one glaring issue, I would like to give you fellas over at Epic Megagames your due props. I've been playing your games the whole way since Jazz Jackrabbit and Jill of the Jungle. You've been on every computer I've ever had since my 16MHz AT machine. You have given me a wealth of entertainment for literally my entire adult life. Thank you, thank you, thank you. You do so much to give back to us (even though micro$oft wants to cash in on YOUR reputation), and in return, I will support your company until the day I die. Even then, if heaven ain't a giant UT deathmatch, then I don't want to go.


That being said, I want to point out what I believe to be your first mistake I've ever witnessed. Every Annex server I joined today had the bleedout counter set to maximum. Once you're downed, you can't die unless executed, and you cant get back up. This results in me staring at myself on all fours for 30 seconds, finally dying, respawn, get shot with active reload sniper, stare at myself for 30 seconds, repeat ad infinium. This is EXTREMELY frustrating and cheap to say the least.

Even more frustrating is that the potential is there. I can see it. I hosted a game for a couple hours with some mates of mine where we vowed not to pull that cheap ****. If you got a down, you take the kill. It was an absolute blast. We played for hours and giggled like little schoolgirls the whole way. Problem is, if i want to play ranked annex, I'm screwed into the above problem because my friends arent there. It's just random internet asshats.

How to fix it? I'm not sure. Maybe make it suicide when tapping A? Maybe force annex bleedout timers 5 or 10 seconds? I'm not really sure. I AM sure, however, that you guys will find the answer soon. As you always do.

-Jason

[Tyvek]

Before I point out this one glaring issue, I would like to give you fellas over at Epic Megagames your due props. I've been playing your games the whole way since Jazz Jackrabbit and Jill of the Jungle. You've been on every computer I've ever had since my 16MHz AT machine. You have given me a wealth of entertainment for literally my entire adult life. Thank you, thank you, thank you. You do so much to give back to us (even though micro$oft wants to cash in on YOUR reputation), and in return, I will support your company until the day I die. Even then, if heaven ain't a giant UT deathmatch, then I don't want to go.


That being said, I want to point out what I believe to be your first mistake I've ever witnessed. Every Annex server I joined today had the bleedout counter set to maximum. Once you're downed, you can't die unless executed, and you cant get back up. This results in me staring at myself on all fours for 30 seconds, finally dying, respawn, get shot with active reload sniper, stare at myself for 30 seconds, repeat ad infinium. This is EXTREMELY frustrating and cheap to say the least.

Even more frustrating is that the potential is there. I can see it. I hosted a game for a couple hours with some mates of mine where we vowed not to pull that cheap ****. If you got a down, you take the kill. It was an absolute blast. We played for hours and giggled like little schoolgirls the whole way. Problem is, if i want to play ranked annex, I'm screwed into the above problem because my friends arent there. It's just random internet asshats.

How to fix it? I'm not sure. Maybe make it suicide when tapping A? Maybe force annex bleedout timers 5 or 10 seconds? I'm not really sure. I AM sure, however, that you guys will find the answer soon. As you always do.

-Jason


Its just like Warzone but with spots on the map to control. Leaving someone to bleed out is not cheep its a strat. Dont tap A and you bleed out faster.

[jkflipflop]

No, you don't. Thats the issue.

[julianwelton]

yes make sure you don't tap A or that will make it take longer as for ranked id just say host your own thats all i could think of and im not sure but does it say the bleed out time in the info screen at the bottom when your choosing a match.

[MASKOAA]

People that knock you down and leave you to bleed out are using there head. You call it cheap, I call it strategy.

[jkflipflop]

Sorry, but staring at your defenseless body for 75% of a match isn't fun. And isn't having fun the whole point of playin a game?

[Liger508]

It isn't fun waiting by the circle almost dead. It is just pointless.

[Zankou 666]

So, why not just leave. And join a room with a short bleed out. I for one was hosting games for 5 hours last night, with bleedout on 5 seconds. And we were having a boat load of fun. This mode is pure action, I love it

[Eleo]

I think the OP has a point. Part of the appeal of Annex is it's (supposed to be) constant action. You die, and you get right back into the fight fairly quickly. Leaving people to bleed out for thirty seconds contradicts this and makes the games dull as well as aggravating. Instant-down hits like AR sniper or melee contribute to this lameness.

In Warzone this is not an issue (although I still find AR sniper [as well as sniper's overreaching melee] to be cheap) because the opponent only risks you being picked back up by leaving you to bleed, or in the case that there's no way for you to get picked up you are screwed anyway.

In Annex, you being left down is a stall tactic to keep you out of the action. Strategical, yes, but not fun and also contradictory to the overall idea of Annex which is continuous combat.

My idea is that players should be able to get back up like in Execution, OR my other random idea is that the team loses a point every second for leaving a downed opponent bleeding.

[jburton90]

Funny Little Story:

I was playing Annex yesterday on Fuel Depot. Normal game and all. There is a 12 year old host and his guest playing on opposite teams. We kept playing as normal. I got the sniper and downed 2 of them. Left them there to die. Then my 12 year old team mate comes up and kills them. I was like "WTF? Why did you do that? Thats strategy!" He was like "Dood, why are you complaining about how I stole your kill? Kills dont matter in Annex." Then I simply said "This is a player match, even if the kills counted they wouldnt count to anything" and he kept saying that same crap over and over.

[Tyvek]

OMG!!! You might have to wait an extra 15 seconds before you can spawn get over it.

BTW your team mates can pick you up.

[jkflipflop]

Sorry dude, but this is really pissing off alot of people. You dont want to upset the masses.

[R0XSTAR]

Yeah I've seen this, its awful gameplay because they just rack up points while you're sadly sat twiddling... we never play ranked, we always kick glitches and forever giggle like little girls during fair games... your welcome to join us anytime jkflipflop :p

"OMG!!! You might have to wait an extra 15 seconds before you can spawn get over it."
Tyvek, 15 seconds could equat to 15 points.. which if done over and over means a poor game, especially if your running about trying to pick up your friends while they're racking up unfair points.. its bad form.

[Prvt.Pegleg]

Epic does not control what the host sets the bleed-out to.

[rab]

Epic does not control what the host sets the bleed-out to.

But they could.

[R0XSTAR]

But they could.

And to keep a tiny, weenie aspect of fair play in a game thats quickly running out of any! - I've seen many options put forward by people about this already and think a fixed 10 second or so would be best.

[jax_demon]

host your own games then if you want the timer down stop whining about it

[ratherbballin17]

I played last night and after about 30 minutes of dealing with that BS bleedout I left. People would down you and your team mates leaving you sitting right near the point of interest, and while your down the opposing team sits in the target area racking up points with nothing you can do about it. Annex should have been set up like exicution allowing you to tap A to get up , or there should be a suicide button. Waiting 30 seconds downed while the other team racks up points is BS in my book.

[MobiusXP]

host your own games then if you want the timer down stop whining about it

I agree, while you are complaining about how Epic did something wrong, its acutally the host's idea to set the bleed-out time, not Epic's, you should make your own match and invite friends and customize it to your liking if you don't like how other people make games.

[teamgod]

I agree, while you are complaining about how Epic did something wrong, its acutally the host's idea to set the bleed-out time, not Epic's, you should make your own match and invite friends and customize it to your liking if you don't like how other people make games.


That's not the point he's trying to make. I'm sure he knows darn-well that he can simply host his own game and customize it how he wants. What SHOULD be done on Epic's part is change the bleedout time to no more than 5 seconds so the action doesn't stop. Saying "SUCKZ IT UP AND PLAY TEH GAME!" or "Host your own game!!" doesn't help much.

[zchronister]

This Is Why They Need To Make Kills Count In Annex Ranked.

[dzs Awez0me]

HERE is THE solution fro the Bleed out problem in ANNEX(wich isnt a problem for me)
DONT DIE
i whant to count kills to achievments to in anex

[technoweenie]

I prefer execution-style deaths, but I do like the added bit of strategy. It's just so rude: "bah, you're not even worth the killing shot in my lancer."

What really sucks is when someone lags out and the points keep ticking away. I lost a match to that.

[Mister Lucky]

However, the point here is, that by doing these "sneaky" methods. You dupe the general public users, that just want to jump in and play a fun game. Not spend hours researching what game(s) they have to avoid!!

Furthermore, you begin to turn-off good players, because they get stuck w/ some of these people that can't stand such tactics and just quit the game!

An uneven Annex match, even 3/4 is just horrible! and very hard to overcome!

[painfull2006]

I prefer execution-style deaths, but I do like the added bit of strategy. It's just so rude: "bah, you're not even worth the killing shot in my lancer."

What really sucks is when someone lags out and the points keep ticking away. I lost a match to that.

that is a great idea, if the people are going to respawn anyway why no just let them get back up, this would also stop freeking wankers from watching you bleed to death for most of the match... you know who you are

[RawDog88]

That's not the point he's trying to make. I'm sure he knows darn-well that he can simply host his own game and customize it how he wants. What SHOULD be done on Epic's part is change the bleedout time to no more than 5 seconds so the action doesn't stop. Saying "SUCKZ IT UP AND PLAY TEH GAME!" or "Host your own game!!" doesn't help much.

Good post. You'll find that a lot of people on here can't take constructive criticism and that the standard line is "quit whining". Guess you're not allowed to have an opinion.

And when the point of Annex is to control a point for a certain amount of TIME.. it is a big deal when you are downed and left to bleed out for 30 seconds or more. Yes, it's a good strategy, but I find it hard to believe that's what Epic was going for when they made it like warzone instead of execution. And sure you can bounce from room to room till you find one with a low bleed out time, but to my knowledge that isn't advertised anywhere prior to the game starting. Sure you can ask, but it's already hard enough to get people to admit who's host half the time, so finding out what the bleedout time is prior to actually getting put in the game might be tough.

On that same note, since their are no achievements in Annex, can you quit a ranked match (say because you found out it had an unusually long bleed out) without being penalized 50 points?

Oh something else I noticed... anyone get near the end of match and someone quits? The timer still counts up the points, while everyone is sitting their staring at the "network connection error message". Seems to be it should stop as well. In the end it doesn't much matter I suppose since their are no achievements for it.

[WHitekid671]

Im sure you all hate the fact of downing people and leaving them their to bleed out but, most people i have played with in racked matches have used shotguns. So they balst you head off then your back in the action. In levels like the canals, it is cheap to see your body siting their for awhile because you got hit by an active relo sinper, but the real point of Annex is classic team king of the hill. Its just gears version; with the active relo and downing people leaving them their to bleed out. So what you all are discussing about is the two factors that make gears of war so fun and differnt from other games. Iftheir is to be any changes to Annex it should be a lower bleed out cap 10,should do just fine.:D

[jkflipflop]

No one is arguing anything. We are merely discussing. Thank you all for keeping it that way.

[WHitekid671]

sorry wrong choice of word my bad

[Fox_Starwing]

Me and my buddies were killing left and right (some times we had over 25 kills in a match), then we saw someone down and we decided to leave him. We though, "hmm, it will make him not respawn as fast" but it may not make a difference. Because it is a rolling respawn counter. 15 seconds down, wait fifteen, another group goes in. It's not you die and have to wait fifteen. Now, we had the bleedout set to 10, so that helped a bit.

I am loving this new gametype. Way to go epic!

[jkflipflop]

If the bleedout timer is set to 30 seconds, you sit there for 30 seconds. Then you wait the 15 to spawn. And ya, it really does kick ass, it's a friggin blast. But 90% of the servers out there are set to 30 second bleedouts, just because of this reason. It's bull****.

[DacoiT]

Annex sucks. people won't STOP CHAINSAWING

[HRGeist]

I find it odd that alot of people are running into this problem. Most of the time I was out right killed or always had someone to pick me up. I was always with someone else so if they went down, I could revive them.

[gloomlord]

I agree the Annex has some tweaking needed (I've been supporting the idea of a suicide button for a long, long time before this), however I think the gametype is a lot of fun and I certainly had a ton of fun playing it last night, but that probably has as much to do with the fact that I was playing with 7 friends the entire night so no one was pulling any of this crap.

Despite my comments below I feel that Annex is a huge success and I'm really excited to play more of it.

I think the largest problems that have been identified that really need to be addressed at some point are:

* Bleedout time (i.e. give us the ability to suicide or perhaps even better at least a way to speed the process along a little so it doesn't need to take the full 30 seconds if we're just being left to bleed out). The idea of a 30 second (or any length) bleedout is to try to cling to life while waiting for a teammate to save you... if you're soldier wants to throw in the towel and greet death a little sooner that should be up to him (i.e. you).

* Spawn Points - More spawn points would be nice.

* Client Disconnect (i.e. connection problem) - A client pulling the plug or otherwise causing a connection issue should pause the entire game including the current annex timer otherwise this can be easily exploited.

* New sound volume - Anyone else notice that the various bells and tones that go off throughout an Annex match are a hell of a lot louder than the rest of the sound in the game? I had to turn my volume down a little last night (and I usually like to have it pretty loud) because I was blowing out my eardrums every time someone took control of a point, took the lead, or waiting for the end timer to count down.

[cokaine]

I do have a bit of a problem with the bleedout issue, but I use it myself. It is good strategy and it is humiliating for the downed guy when I start smoking him out. The other problem is that achievements don't count for annex. Yeah everybody would get Seriously, but it would still take awhile. If I got 100 kills every match, I would have to play around ninety matches. Not to mention, 100 kills is a long match. Probably about two hours long. They would allow weapon achievements. I was playing last night and racked up thirty headshots, and I already had 92. Also owned everybody with the boomshot in Gridlock trying to capture frags. I guess I'll have to swap between Annex and Execution.

[Aerobahn]

Sorry to say that the 30 second bleed out thin isnt a strategy that works in favor of the game. Leaving people there for 30 seconds when the idea of respawning was put in for a constant assult. Sitting there while 2-4 team members are bleeding out for a long while is not how the game should be and takes away from playablity of the game.

If people are infavor of it then just allow there to be a search filter for bleed out time so those who want it can keep it.

[cokaine]

I agree, while you are complaining about how Epic did something wrong, its acutally the host's idea to set the bleed-out time, not Epic's, you should make your own match and invite friends and customize it to your liking if you don't like how other people make games.

I don't have a good host connection, so what to do now. HUM? I think it would be a good idea for Epic to force a ten second bleedout, if not for player matches definately ranked.

[jkflipflop]

Indeed, i have alot of stuff flowing over my home network. It wouldnt be fair to anyone that joined my server because the lag would be terrible. Am I supposed to keep quitting early and take the -50 point hit 20 times in a row until I find a server that isn't exploiting this crap? That wouldn't be fair to me, or anyone else for that matter. There has to be a way.

[SuspectMisconduct]

just another extended version of "follow the host with the shotty"

fix the Host Advantage.

yet again, gears leaves the tray for better games that aren't giving the host an unfair advantage. the host had a gamerscore of under 500, yet he was winning every confrontation. why? because all he had was shotty kills.


fix your PoS game already. this is just getting stupid.

[jkflipflop]

OK. . . that had nothing to do with my topic. But thanks anywho.

[gloomlord]

fix the Host Advantage.

...

fix your PoS game already. this is just getting stupid.

Feel free to stop playing anytime and take your negative feedback with you. Epic has already addressed the fact that they aren't planning on allocating the manpower needed (because it is unavailable) to fix the problems relating to "host advantage" and the lousy lobby system.

This doesn't mean that Gears is any less fun that it ever was, it just means that in these few fairly unpopular aspects of the game are not likely to be fixed for this game. Does host advantage suck? Yeah, it does... we knew that last week, we knew it a month ago, and we knew it a few seconds after the game was released but we've dealt with it and (for most of us) had fun playing this game anyway.

We've all made our arguments for these fixes and Epic has voiced the fact that they have heard us and are unable to do anything about it at this time. Maybe you should be a little bit more concerned with how they allocate their manpower for the development of Gears 2 and make your comments appropriately. I for one would prefer that if it is a choice between developing these aspects properly and completely for Gears 2 or wasting a lot of time (and potentially delaying or otherwise hurting the development process for Gears 2) developing and fixing these problems with the current game then I truly hope they choose the former option.

[oneiztoomany]

i think letting the person bleed out is a good strategy & don't seen anything wrong with using it.

[jkflipflop]

Lets try to keep it on topic guys. Make a new thread if you want to rant.

[psychomonkey62]

Annex sucks. people won't STOP CHAINSAWING

Lol, I take it you were in my game.

One game, I honestly ONLY got chainsaw kills. It was fun :D

[SuspectMisconduct]

hey gloom. i did stop playing. and probably won't try again until Gears 2 comes out. i was having fun, but the one glaring problem with the game makes it too flawed to enjoy.


some people have higher standards.

i made a seperate thread, voicing my hopes for gears 2.

and BTW, i suggested letting the other team bleed out, but no one would

there, everybody's happy

[XXXSAMIAM]

I'm sorry if im off topic but I read this stuff about kills not counting towards your seriously achievment, has that been confirmed by EPIC at all?

[jkflipflop]

I'm pretty sure it has.

[gloomlord]

hey gloom. i did stop playing. and probably won't try again until Gears 2 comes out.

Sounds good, we'll see you then!

[Blackfire89]

I believe that its a really cheap & annoying strategy.

They need to have the bleed-out time fixed to no more than 10 seconds.

And I bet that half or all of the people that think its a good tactic, do it to people all the time.

Also, what about the people who can't host? They have to get stuck with a-hole's that do this crap. Or play with their friends..

[BackInYourHole]

if you don't want to stare at yourself... don't die... wow, that was easy

[WoolyPower]

Annex kicks ASS!

The only problem that I have seen with it is that the team that are losing start losing players. People quit as soon as they are down 1-0.

[Hellfire 969]

Before I point out this one glaring issue, I would like to give you fellas over at Epic Megagames your due props. I've been playing your games the whole way since Jazz Jackrabbit and Jill of the Jungle. You've been on every computer I've ever had since my 16MHz AT machine. You have given me a wealth of entertainment for literally my entire adult life. Thank you, thank you, thank you. You do so much to give back to us (even though micro$oft wants to cash in on YOUR reputation), and in return, I will support your company until the day I die. Even then, if heaven ain't a giant UT deathmatch, then I don't want to go.


That being said, I want to point out what I believe to be your first mistake I've ever witnessed. Every Annex server I joined today had the bleedout counter set to maximum. Once you're downed, you can't die unless executed, and you cant get back up. This results in me staring at myself on all fours for 30 seconds, finally dying, respawn, get shot with active reload sniper, stare at myself for 30 seconds, repeat ad infinium. This is EXTREMELY frustrating and cheap to say the least.

Even more frustrating is that the potential is there. I can see it. I hosted a game for a couple hours with some mates of mine where we vowed not to pull that cheap ****. If you got a down, you take the kill. It was an absolute blast. We played for hours and giggled like little schoolgirls the whole way. Problem is, if i want to play ranked annex, I'm screwed into the above problem because my friends arent there. It's just random internet asshats.

How to fix it? I'm not sure. Maybe make it suicide when tapping A? Maybe force annex bleedout timers 5 or 10 seconds? I'm not really sure. I AM sure, however, that you guys will find the answer soon. As you always do.

-Jason

I can see some right ****s doing this and i would personally leave them negative feedback for Unsporting conduct if that was done to me.

I hosted a few games about 30 minutes after it came out and i had the bleed out counter to 10 as me and my friend who were going in together didnt want to do that tactic, nor have it done to us. The only time i let some bleed to death through all the matches i played was when i downed him across the map with my sniper and knew i wouldnt be able to get there in time...

Why not just host the matches yourself and set the bleed out time to what ever you want it to be? Thats what i will do, or at least i will go in knowing who the host is and what they have set their bleed out time to.

[jgibo1]

But you could have put him out of his misery by shooting him again.
It was funny the first few times I sat there looking at the ground. After all, I was getting tired of the non stop action. I needed a little break.:)
In fact sometimes I was glad to have to wait the full 15 seconds before respawning.
I like Annex but think until I get serious, need about 2400 more kills, I will be playing the other game types.

[Strokin Man]

the only problem that I have found with annex is that if there is a connection error, the team in control can easily rack up 20 or 30 points just like that. It seems to me that the sniper melee is faster, but I do love the boomshot. Quit your *****ing about the roadie run. I dont stick to anything. It's called don't run into walls.

[Battlebuds]

Um, dont get downed so much.

[BIGWHIPWHIPPIN]

I think Epic missed a great opportunity here to add another awesome feature to this game.

Suicide.

They should have made this an option for annex and I personally would go with having the Cog/Locust snap their own neck. It would be bada$$ and keep the game going.

[Prvt.Pegleg]

But they could.

Yeah they could.

Actually, I'm joining your cause, Epic shouldn't give people like you control.

[AceManUSC]

Solve this with a player match and set friendly fire on. We always put teammates out of their misery if we couldn't get to them. Acheivements don't count in Annex, so why play ranked?

[Jaklax]

welp.. this is obviously spreading like wild fire, b/c i just played 5 games in a row and they all had 60 second bleed outs. strategy requires thinking.. this is simply another noob way to win.. Noobs of War is what this game should be called anyways

[Jaklax]

Solve this with a player match and set friendly fire on. We always put teammates out of their misery if we couldn't get to them. Acheivements don't count in Annex, so why play ranked?

we are aware that it can be sloved, but the point is if you want to play ranked without all the trouble ur screwed

[jkflipflop]

I'm guessing these are the random internet asshats I was referring to.

[wack nuggets]

i only read the first page of the topic, but what is the point of playing annex ranked? seems you would be way better off playing an unranked match

[jkflipflop]

Because I don't always have 7 friends with Gears online and ready to play when I am. Besides, it's fun to get outside of your normal circle and test yourself against the masses. See how you stack up against the other 4 million players in the GoW nation.

[Darkstar PDKC]

If you get down i will kill you.
I feel people that do this bleed out "strategy" are weak little vaginas.

1st. 10 second bleed out
2nd. 2 rounds of 280 points
3rd. and people that do this pu*sy sh*t after being told to stop are kicked

:cool: My rules and i think all rooms should be like this

[jereminion]

yep annex does suck all it is is trying to kill the gladiator host on the circle where the host only uses shotgun and shoots you in head and blows your body apart from 10 feet away while your teammates are dead or camping for no reason while the host has his best 3 players he knows camping with him with the boomshot, sniperrifle, and grenades

annex is probibly the worst idea ever

[pepitwins]

i used to like anex... but this happened and also kills count for ****..... no pint in it unless its player match... thats why no one plays it ranked anymore

[jkflipflop]

No, I think worst idea ever goes to the new and improved roadie run.

[cogsparten]

its just thirty secounds whats so wrong about that? i think (last time i checked) you can wait 30 secounds. or is it a waste of your life that your already wasting? not to be mean.....i waste my life alot lol....

[cogsparten]

for gow2 epic should host.... but also they would be spectating so host wont kill....its like a computer who is host but dead...i suck at explaning but you gies get the picture?

[SaintOmega]

Its just like Warzone but with spots on the map to control. Leaving someone to bleed out is not cheep its a strat. Dont tap A and you bleed out faster.


lol a strategy...I laugh at that. If you or anyone else for that matter calls that a strategy i should pull the word (my clan) strategist off of my gamer card because, crap like that is a disgrace to this game. And for you to call that a strategy is beyond laughable, its flat out ignorant dude.

[Darkstar PDKC]

lol a strategy...I laugh at that. If you or anyone else for that matter calls that a strategy i should pull the word (my clan) strategist off of my gamer card because, crap like that is a disgrace to this game. And for you to call that a strategy is beyond laughable, its flat out ignorant dude.


:cool: ....................................:cool:

[sgt_goomba]

It is a good strategy, so I don't blame people for using it. But I do blame Epic for not taking measures to nullify this kind of strategy. Why?

1) It's not fun to be completely helpless for up to 30 seconds...
2) ...in a gametype which is supposed to encourage fast-paced action...
3) ...while a point clock ticks away, adding to the frustration at being helpless.

Strategies that can be countered, where you aren't helpless, add to the fun of the game. I can be flanked, but I can warn my teamates and get out of the situation. Even if I'm against a severely host-advantaged player, I can lead my shots, use distance weapons, or chainsaw. But if someone is using this strategy and I get down, there isn't a damn thing I can do for 30 seconds.

But it's up to Epic to design a game that lets players have fun, not us. They need to set it to 5 second bleedout max, or even better they should add a bleedout search parameter to give players a choice (who knows, maybe someone thinks 30 sec bleedout in annex is fun).

That said, thanks goes to Epic for Annex, which is a blast if you get friends who play for fun.

[jkflipflop]

Exactly. It may be a "strategy" in the fact that you get points easier when you have the entire opposing team sitting there bleedin out 6 feet from the circle, but that's no fun at all.

[Roflfox]

I don't believe in sitting around and letting people bleed out. If you fall down, I shoot you. The game continues. The whole point of respawns was to keep the game fast paced and moving quick, but if you're setting there watcing a team of downed enemies gather cobwebs and dust it gets boring real quick.

[aightZz]

While complaining about downing in Annex and let you bleed out? how n00b can you be - why don't you do it back to the other team, " what goes around comes back around". Its just a tactic, if you downed someone, let him bleed out or shoot him if you want - simple.

People complaining about everything, Chainsaw, Melee, Tagging, Long shot melee, etc. Accept how it is.

[Teh An1m4l]

Its cheap as hell, and not a 'strategy'. Someone on my team did it to an enemy player last night so you know what i did? I killed the guy rather than leave him lying there for 30 seconds, cause:

1) im not a complete spastic
2) i dont like it when its done to me
3) i picked up the kill and the points
4) if you want people to stay in your game, dont leave them downed. youll only piss them off and then youre stuck with a nice game of 1 v nobody.

If people are gonna leave players lying around downed, you better believ eim gonna finish them off and get those kills, and when im top of the scoreboard, i will laugh at you.

[whateverdude]

Simple fix, make Annex like Execution - where we can get up. Nuff said.

[jkflipflop]

That sounds like a perfect fix.

[jnc360]

1.) if your going to play ranked look at the info screen before you join the match it tells you the bleed out time , if you dont like it find another. Stop blaming epic. theres 1000 's of hosts

2.)some people like the 30 second strategy, some don't, choose they way you want to play- AS IT SHOULD BE -

3.) your a n00b if you get downed every round and don't communicate with you teammates for a revive.

4.) stick together with your teammates

5.) Turn friendly fire on if you playing a player match

6.) appreciate the free Update and epics hard work and dedication to there customers, stop the whining


owned!

[Battlebuds]

I support this thread.

[alfaphlex]

Simple fix, make Annex like Execution - where we can get up. Nuff said.

Then people would make bleed-out time 30 seconds, down your team and each stand behind an opponent just so they can pistol melee + shoot 2 bullets and down you again... 3 times. That's enough time to get all the points for a spot before your team can even respawn, lol.

[jkflipflop]

Maybe its not the perfect fix then. You know what, I don't even care about this issue any longer. It completely pales in comparison with the screwed up roadie run.

[ManyTriangles]

lol its still an issue that needs to be fixed...like soon