Nationality(Flag) Icon next to name!

[Pendrokar]

In UT2k7 there should be an option in the "Player" tab in options, where you can set nationality flag icon. Only for Multiplayer! The nationality flag icon should'nt show when you target another player, but in score tabs near the name.
Well, for this feature UT will need a country database in which Flag graphics and country names are kept.
This will help you by not answering the "From where are you?" Question.:D

[AmericanWoman]

That's a neat idea. Unless, you have an ingame name like mine.;)

[fuegerstef]

As a Player I would like the idea. As Admin not. We have to deal with so much racism already. I could imagine it would get worse with flags displayed.

[Raynor]

It's not some BF.
If it must be in (don't see any need) then it should be optional.

[Jrubzjeknf]

As a Player I would like the idea. As Admin not. We have to deal with so much racism already. I could imagine it would get worse with flags displayed.

Entirely agreed.

[ShredPrince]

I see it as a bad idea......

waste of resouces

[Henrik]

it has its plusses and minuses. sometimes, there is something to be said for anonymity.

I say that it should be the player's choice whether to display a country flag or not, and also choose what country themselves, because tying it to ISP does not always work correctly. Also, what if I am living in a different country from what my nationality actually is? So, either it should be implemented this way, or not at all.

[iron12]

I see it causing trouble in pub games. People would start calling names and stuff. Why do it. People can call me names because of the way I’m playing. I don’t need them to call me names because of where I’m from.:)

[Jrubzjeknf]

How about being able to pick a flag? Worms Armageddon team icon style.

[Cleary]

Plus it being a bad idea because of racism like fuegerstef an Jrubzjeknf said.

But Doesnt Assault have (GB) (NA) etc on the names anyways?

[Roulette]

As a Player I would like the idea. As Admin not. We have to deal with so much racism already. I could imagine it would get worse with flags displayed.

I agree with this. It's nice and all, but in general, the last thing I need is to give my players a new way to start fights.

[placebo]

I think this is a really cool idea, it would give a really professional feel to the game. Like you're all playing at the World Cup, but for a UT match. :p

[Pendrokar]

I need is to give my players a new way to start fights.

Whats the problem with Word Fights? :confused:
It's not hard to ignore people, that are calling you names.

[Magwa]

I see it as working in all other countries but U.S. very rare to play in Europe if you are a US player and visaversa so the only flag you will see is american flag in US face it we play on the best pinging server we can..so i say it is useless..

[Zynith]

Please no...

*I prefer to stay anonymous
*People will start to speak their own language instead of using english as global language
*Racism
*Nearly useless for Americans

The upside is that people would know where you're playing from, but it about ends with that. I'dd much prefer a system utilizing player profiles such as in IM programs.

[iron12]

Plus I don’t want to get in a discussion about my countries foreign policy, and how my country sucks because it does this and that. I just want to have a friendly game of UT. Thank you very much.

[icewind]

I vote no on flag icons. For the obvious reasons already stated. As if 12 year olds didn't already have enough incentive to talk trash in public games...

[fuegerstef]

Whats the problem with Word Fights? :confused:
It's not hard to ignore people, that are calling you names.

You being an admin for years, I think ?? ;)

[MysTikal]

Plus it being a bad idea because of racism like fuegerstef an Jrubzjeknf said.

But Doesnt Assault have (GB) (NA) etc on the names anyways?

Thats a Mutator.

[B1tchkilla]

Why not just give players an option whether they want to display their own flag or not? This will keep ppl anonymous who want to be and those who wanna show where they are from will be able to choose it from a drop down menu - or even better: Give them an option to initially autodetect it via their ISP. If it won't work they could still correct it. Some ppl may choose a different country than they are actually from but who cares - they also do in some forums and it doesn't matter to me. I like the brazilian flag btw. :D

[Taleweaver]

Am I the only one thinking people would use anything but the country they are from? I'm from Belgium, but I don't like how it looks. I'd use the Jamaican flag (for fun), the Iraqi one (on US servers ;) ), the EU one (for clan purposes) or even the Antarctic one above those lame 3 black-yellow-red stripes Belgium has.

Bottom line: you can't trust what people tell about themselves on the internet.

[Kronos]

Servers should atleast have a flag by them from which country they are in on the master server browser.

[Henrik]

i think all the people whining about racism are overreacting.

[Selerox]

I like the idea, but it'd be too easy to screw with it unless it was set so you couldn't falsify it.


Servers should atleast have a flag by them from which country they are in on the master server browser.

Not a bad idea at all.

[Henrik]

honestly, who gives a flying flip if someone "falsifies" their country? and who is anyone to judge who is actually doing so? there are 3 countries I could rightfully use as mine, the one I live in, the one I was born in, and the one of my heritage. and honestly, how many people already add a .--- or [---] denoting their country already on their usernames? lots. do you see people being racist towards them? not really. I have been called names before because of my country.. did I give a crap? hell no.

it is not like it is a feature we can't do without but I am tired of people being so negative about ideas like this. if nothing else it would look kinda cool and let people show what country they're from if they so desire, without having to shorten their name to do it.

Plus the "useless for americans" argument is also BS. Not everyone living in the US would necessarily choose US, if they preferred using their nationality of birth, for instance. What of Canada and Brazil? Those aren't in ping range? Maybe there aren't as many countries surrounding the US as there are countries in the EU, but the US doesn't exactly have half the globe to itself.

[Tørmentør]

make it optional client side, that solves all problems, if people want to use fake flags so what, maybe they want to represent a country they like or whatnot, i dont see the harm in that.

[BigJim]

Plus I don’t want to get in a discussion about my countries foreign policy, and how my country sucks because it does this and that. I just want to have a friendly game of UT. Thank you very much.

Nah, we'll just figure it out from the number of teamkills.. ;) (jk)
Personally I quite like the idea, turn it on/off in your settings, maybe like coloured UTComp names, yeah, why not? :)

[fuegerstef]

i think all the people whining about racism are overreacting.

If I was allowed I would invite you for one day to the IRC channel all the stuff is reported to from our servers. After that you would change your mind, trust me.

[Kronos]

Plus the "useless for americans" argument is also BS. Not everyone living in the US would necessarily choose US, if they preferred using their nationality of birth, for instance. What of Canada and Brazil? Those aren't in ping range? Maybe there aren't as many countries surrounding the US as there are countries in the EU, but the US doesn't exactly have half the globe to itself.

I agree 100 percent. Millions of people in a America come from around the world, its the most populated immergrant country in the world, I see no reason why people in the United States wouldnt put the country they are actually from or where there family is from. If anything the "useless for americans" line should be changed to "most useful for americans".

[Kyllian]

As a Player I would like the idea. As Admin not. We have to deal with so much racism already. I could imagine it would get worse with flags displayed.What if there was an option for the server to not display them?

[Taleweaver]

I agree 100 percent. Millions of people in a America come from around the world, its the most populated immergrant country in the world, I see no reason why people in the United States wouldnt put the country they are actually from or where there family is from. If anything the "useless for americans" line should be changed to "most useful for americans".
(Moe) You know what bothers me the most about those damn immigants? They want all the benefits, but they never even bother to learn the language!
(Homer) Thoos are me words precisely!
(Barney) Yeah...howa hewa somma humma!
(Moe) Yeah...well said, Barney.

:p

Sorry...couldn't resist. Aside from your spelling error, I agree with what you're saying (Bersy's statement). In fact, I even start to like the overall idea. :)

[Jrubzjeknf]

Country flags for servers might be nice. :D

[Henrik]

Sorry...couldn't resist. Aside from the spelling error, I agree with Bersy's statement. In fact, I even start to like the overall idea. :)
Checkmate's error not mine :P

[Henrik]

If I was allowed I would invite you for one day to the IRC channel all the stuff is reported to from our servers. After that you would change your mind, trust me.Nah, don't think so.
Having country flags isn't going to change the attitudes of people. If you posess hatred you will always find a way to show it, flags or no flags. On the other hand you can't argue that the flag feature would not have any positive use. Buuuut, you always seem to like to dwell on the negative.

[fuegerstef]

Buuuut, you always seem to like to dwell on the negative.

Experience with online life. :)

[Hell Exile]

I've only come across 1 server that had your flag nationality by your name and that was in the first unreal tournament.

It was a mod called IpToCountry made by [es]Rush.

[JaFO]

Why limit flags to 'officially recognised' countries ?
There's lots of other flags to use such as the ones for American states, Dutch provinces and cities (The Netherlands, Holland and Amsterdam have their own official flag ... )

I still wonder how anyone can be a racist on the internet when neither party can see the skin of their opponent ...
Never mind that we're all the same race ... with a few exceptions like the monkey that's acting as a president in a certain North-American country ;)

[Flak]

I've played on a few servers with the country tag both in UT and UT2004. Its not a flag, just 3 letters added to the end of your name denoting your country. The Nostalgic mod also has this built in. We had it for a while on the server and have never had a problem with it.

Here it is for UT2004: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/gamespace/download.php?pid=914986&sid=6141363&mode=mods

[fuegerstef]

I've played on a few servers with the country tag both in UT and UT2004. Its not a flag, just 3 letters added to the end of your name denoting your country. The Nostalgic mod also has this built in. We had it for a while on the server and have never had a problem with it.

Here it is for UT2004: http://www.gamespot.com/pages/gamespace/download.php?pid=914986&sid=6141363&mode=mods

It all comes down to the kind of server. I have no problems (and wouldn't have with Flaks/Flags neither) on my own Server. But the publics I monitor too are soo bad.
So, if it is a Server-Side option I think it is OK (or a whitelisted mutator).

[Zynith]

I'dd be more interested in a all-around Tag-system. You could add in support for coloured text and small images, such as flags. Would be much more flexible.

You could have roughly something like this...

TagName=[Pwn*geSquad] <image="..\tags\flags\uk.png">
Name=Fr33k^

So ingame you'dd have another line of text above your name.

[Hell Exile]

I've played ut2k4 and seen the letters that denote your country but thats not what the mod i saw does it shows the flag.

Here is the link http://www.unrealadmin.org/forums/archive/index.php/t-13122.html

[Taleweaver]

Checkmate's error not mine :P
Fixed.

qsdfipqshfoqsijhf <- random characters to allow the message to be posted, even though it doesn't contain enough characters

[Skandalouz]

if its optional its good but the only thing people should worry about is when poeple start talking in their own language so anderen er geen reet van snappen dat is ronduit achterlijk en verneukt het hele spel..
get it?? :)

[CTM_UnderT@keR]

there's a mod for ut2004 that displays the country in abbreviated form next to a players name cant think of the name but it doesnt show a flag. itll say usa or ned (netherlands) or UK etc. maybe a third party could make the mod compatible with ut2007 who knows

[JaFO]

if its optional its good but the only thing people should worry about is when poeple start talking in their own language so anderen er geen reet van snappen dat is ronduit achterlijk en verneukt het hele spel..
get it?? :)
Sure do ... and I'm glad you consider your own Frysian (sp?) language to be stupid ;)

Then again ... someone who thinks that Fryslân is a part of Holland should be shot on sight. ;)
// ---

[fuegerstef]

... someone who thinks that Fryslân is a part of Holland should be shot on sight. ;)
// ---

See, here it starts already. :D ;)

TBH:
Today I joined our IRC reporting channel a few minutes (3 or 4) past 21 CET. At 21:09 CET I saw the first reports already coming in. It was an awesomely long chatlog that was full of racism and what people should do to their mothers and all that.
I'd prefer to give these uneducated people one target less for their abusive language. The insults are there already, FORCING Flags to be shown will only give these people more targets they can shout at. But as said, it depends on the target audience of your server, but sometimes a server company needs their own servers that are open to everyone. A lot of servers out there aren't swear-filtered or hardly monitored at all, so then these poeple come to our servers too once and think they can continue... ...nope, they can't.

[Cenobite]

How about being able to pick a flag? Worms Armageddon team icon style.

I had an inverted cross as my flag...You may have seen me.

The nation flag should hang by your name in score page.

[ShredPrince]

Am I the only one thinking people would use anything but the country they are from? I'm from Belgium, but I don't like how it looks. I'd use the Jamaican flag (for fun), the Iraqi one (on US servers ;) ), the EU one (for clan purposes) or even the Antarctic one above those lame 3 black-yellow-red stripes Belgium has.

Bottom line: you can't trust what people tell about themselves on the internet.

Exactly:)

I'd have to be French...LOL

They won't fight anything. They just surrender, then expect the Brits or the U.S to save their necks.

[Con]

Custom clan flags would be cool.. instead of clantags

[JaFO]

See, here it starts already. :D ;)

See ... that's the problem. Some people think all the insults are 'personal' even if they don't know the one who said it.



TBH:
Today I joined our IRC reporting channel a few minutes (3 or 4) past 21 CET. At 21:09 CET I saw the first reports already coming in. It was an awesomely long chatlog that was full of racism and what people should do to their mothers and all that.

So ?
Did you really think that people in a 'real' war would say nice things about their enemies ?
Do you also think it can be any different in a game that promotes the use of force/violence against other species as the only option ?



I'd prefer to give these uneducated people one target less for their abusive language.
The insults are there already, FORCING Flags to be shown will only give these people more targets they can shout at.

It all depends on whether or not the flag represents the true nationality of the owner.
And even without the flags I can use plenty of insults that are IMHO even worse and far more lethal in an on-line environment (aimbotter ... cheater ... hacker, etc).
So I'd rather have people yell *insert standard insults*, because even though they may hurt when taken personally they won't lead people to think that the victim is cheating for real ...

Also ... just because someone doesn't use a standard insult that doesn't mean he's not insulting someone. Like in the movie 'Demolition man' where they claim to have eliminated swearing but at the same time still insult the outsiders by referring to them as barbarians/meat-eaters and whatever that society deems 'inappropriate' behaviour.

Consider that a word like 'gay' used to mean 'happy' and now it is considered an insult ...
What's next ?
We start bleeping out 'cheater' because it is used as an insult as well ?



But as said, it depends on the target audience of your server, but sometimes a server company needs their own servers that are open to everyone. A lot of servers out there aren't swear-filtered or hardly monitored at all, so then these poeple come to our servers too once and think they can continue... ...nope, they can't.
When it is 'normal' for servers not to give a beep about what is said then you really can't expect people to simply stop as soon as they join your server.
That simply goes against human nature ...

[fuegerstef]

See ... that's the problem. Some people think all the insults are 'personal' even if they don't know the one who said it.

I know, we have a lot of "excuses" on our servers from poeple saying that he said the N-word to a friend. Even if it was true (in 99% of the cases it isn't though) we have the policy to not use racism at all, because the people who don't know that it was said to a friend might think it is OK to talk like this on the server.
That's why I am for zero tolerance on racism and for as little targets for that as possible.
An example: A simple dialogue between two people about their countries, that started because of the flags, will be another target for some tard throwing racist remarks around.

As said, make it a server side option.


When it is 'normal' for servers not to give a beep about what is said then you really can't expect people to simply stop as soon as they join your server.
That simply goes against human nature ...

No, of course not. (We have the rules diplayed when joining though, but of course nobody reads it).
I would like it if EPIC includes something like swear- and racism-filtering (with customizable worldlists and kick-rules) right into the game without needing to download a 3rd party mutator. Not all servers will use it, but more than now, I think.

[Ulver.m]

i think its a good i dont know about ya guys but im proud of represent my country instead hiding our talent, and about the racist stuff somebody mencion a few post up, i dont care about it, it depends on you and only you to get affected by that, for me racism its the most riddiculous thing man has created, so i just erase that word from my mind the real war its in the game for me not in the bad attitude, be smart guys jus play.... :D regards...

[Silvester[AUT]]

I like the idea. Look at my username then you know where I come from. Why not add national flags to the forum too? would also be nice.

[The5thviruz]

The administrators won't even turn the "Allow Custom Avatars" option from "No" to "Yes"...so you'll be lucky to get flags.

[Rocky]

they have it moded for ut99 as an option. I find that its pretty cool actualy, seeing ur nationality flag, it was set for isp though, but making it into an option to chose is even better. No one was making racial remarks, sure u'll get those dicks that will... just ban there ass

and like that guy said, u can enable this option if u want... knowing that if u put it on... your bound for somone to say somthing, so your doing it at your own risk if u will

[UnrealGrrl]

seems kinda pointless... and a waste of screen space. anyway i want fantasy fps not reality.

[Rocky]

it doesn't get in the way, the flags r small, its convenient

[rodmc]

i think its a great idea!!! i would like to put the flag of my country in the game :)

for the problem of racism mmm... i don't think the people really could feel bad for be insulted playing UT, and nothing really could know if the flag is really of your country or you choose that just because you like how look.

[fuegerstef]

In the year UT2007 takes place we will be playing under the flags of the NEG, Liandri, Axon, Izanagi, Necris or Skaarj/Krall Empire. Not the countries we know now.

[armagon917]

Imagine the grief people from France would recieve......Oh ooops. jk =D Point made?

[Silvester[AUT]]

In the year UT2007 takes place we will be playing under the flags of the NEG, Liandri, Axon, Izanagi, Necris or Skaarj/Krall Empire. Not the countries we know now.

:cool: Then I will play under the Necris flag.

[JaFO]

In the year UT2007 takes place we will be playing under the flags of the NEG, Liandri, Axon, Izanagi, Necris or Skaarj/Krall Empire. Not the countries we know now.
Which would be the best possible choice.
It changes the target from 'stupid Yankee' to 'illogical collection of organic matter' ;)
Especially if the game/manual adds a bit of background. Games like Mechwarrior and Wingcommander are great examples of how such stuff could be done.

So instead of removing a feature in order to limit the obvious insults it is better to turn it into an advantage and 'help' players use insults that are more 'in character'. Sure ... it is not a role-playing game, but IMHO it adds to the atmosphere and makes the game more than a mere point&click exercise that encourages cheating and where the choice of model/skin is based on to-hit probabilities.

And a bit off-topic but it is related to the matter of insults in (on-line) games :
Would you consider 'Nazi', Tommy, Yankee or 'Kraut' (sp? the english 'name' for Germans) an insult in a WW2 game and therefore forbid anyone to use it ?

[Henrik]

If it's any consolation, any players from the US would be too ignorant to know what country is represented by what flag anyway ;)

[The5thviruz]

If it's any consolation, any players from the US would be too ignorant to know what country is represented by what flag anyway ;)

Sad truth...it really is.

[Crotale]

If it's any consolation, any players from the US would be too ignorant to know what country is represented by what flag anyway ;)
Regardless of how true it may be, that comment was totally unnecessary. Honestly, what percentage of all gamers do you think are able to identify five of more country flags? And, to balance that out, what percentage of non-American gamers can identify five or more U.S. state flags?

[Mitch Conner]

Regardless of how true it may be, that comment was totally unnecessary. Honestly, what percentage of all gamers do you think are able to identify five of more country flags? And, to balance that out, what percentage of non-American gamers can identify five or more U.S. state flags?


Knowing state flags is different from knowing country flags.

[The5thviruz]

Regardless of how true it may be, that comment was totally unnecessary. Honestly, what percentage of all gamers do you think are able to identify five of more country flags? And, to balance that out, what percentage of non-American gamers can identify five or more U.S. state flags?

Not trying to flame but...how many Americans could identify five or more State flags?

Actually...how many people from any country can identify 5 or more county flags?

[Crotale]

Knowing state flags is different from knowing country flags.Is it? For many Americans, those states are just as unique and important as the European countries' national flags are to Europeans.


Not trying to flame but...how many Americans could identify five or more State flags?

Actually...how many people from any country can identify 5 or more county flags?
In order to compare the results, you must have a known total population of gamers in order to garner percentages. You cannot provide a singular part of an equation and expect to glean any usable information.

For example, if I were to say that 1000 U.S. gamers can properly identify five or more flags of other countries, how would this be of any pertinence to you? Wouldn't you need to know how many U.S. gamers actually exist, in order to for the 1000 gamers to have any relevance at all?

[UnrealGrrl]

this thread is (un)officially TSUPID

what would be cool is if clans/forums/mod teams whatever could design and make their own flags like was supposed to be in ut200x and never really materialized into a viable easily useable option. then a mini version could go beside your ingame name.

[Crotale]

Ouch! That hurt. My feeling tsupid now.

[The5thviruz]

what would be cool is if clans/forums/mod teams whatever could design and make their own flags like was supposed to be in ut200x and never really materialized into a viable easily useable option. then a mini version could go beside your ingame name.

That sounds good. Until some retards copy your flag, etc.



For example, if I were to say that 1000 U.S. gamers can properly identify five or more flags of other countries, how would this be of any pertinence to you? Wouldn't you need to know how many U.S. gamers actually exist, in order to for the 1000 gamers to have any relevance at all?

Same logic can be applied to your question, because you do not know how many gamers there are in the rest of the world.

Also, this is a "Nationality Flag" thread. Not a "State/County Flag" thread. I could say that every county in Europe was more important to people than the United States national flag is to Americans. So unless we were to include State/County Flags, (which can be done but is a LOT more work) there is no reason to include counties into this.

How many people in, for example, Florida call themselves "Americans" and how many people identify as "Floridians"?

[Mitch Conner]

Is it? For many Americans, those states are just as unique and important as the European countries' national flags are to Europeans.

Yes, it is. Not only is it of greater importance to know country flags over state flags, but the state flags mean nothing to anyone outside America.

[UnrealGrrl]

Ouch! That hurt. My feeling tsupid now.

sorry i just meant it has become tsupid :) not anyone in it...

actually this thread is a good example of why it wouldnt work very well :)

[Mitch Conner]

sorry i just meant it has become tsupid :) not anyone in it...

actually this thread is a good example of why it wouldnt work very well :)


I think he was actually insulting you.

[Crotale]

Same logic can be applied to your question, because you do not know how many gamers there are in the rest of the world.You are correct in that assumption. The same goes for Bersy and his all-inclusive comment. He does not know if any or all U.S. gamers can or cannot identify another country's flag. IMO, his post was a flame. The little winking emoticon was not put there to indicate a joke, but was a nod to JaFO.


Also, this is a "Nationality Flag" thread. Not a "State/County Flag" thread. I could say that every county in Europe was more important to people than the United States national flag is to Americans. So unless we were to include State/County Flags, (which can be done but is a LOT more work) there is no reason to include counties into this.Firstly, when did I mention ANYTHING about counties? Secondly, I asked that question to prove that you cannot justify calling another person ignorant unless you can put some relevance to your statement.


How many people in, for example, Florida call themselves "Americans" and how many people identify as "Floridians"?Totally irrelevant. My point was not to focus on states, but how different people see the importance of national flags.



Yes, it is. Not only is it of greater importance to know country flags over state flags, but the state flags mean nothing to anyone outside America.When did I say anything to the contrary? If you read my post again, you will see that I said "To many Americans..." How does that include everyone else in the world? Hmm?

I could have simply asked the first question, and still, nobody has given an answer. You all want to pick on the "States" part, which IS irrelevant. I never intended to take this thread so far OT. Bersy may have intended to be generalizing, but his statement appeared to be all-inclusive, and that is where I took offense. I just want some qualification provided to back that statement.

[UnrealGrrl]

I think he was actually insulting you.

lol - I assume that everyone assumes that all obvious missspellingss are done on porpoise ;) (like mine was)

dont worry Mitch after 7 yrs on one UT board or another, i know when im being full frontal insulted :)

[Crotale]

sorry i just meant it has become tsupid :) not anyone in it...

actually this thread is a good example of why it wouldnt work very well :)Sorry, I thought you misspelled it on purpose. And no, I didn't think you meant anyone in particular.



I think he was actually insulting you.Nope, just poking fun. Like I said, I thought she misspelled the word on purpose.

[UnrealGrrl]

Sorry, I thought you misspelled it on purpose. And no, I didn't think you meant anyone in particular.

Nope, just poking fun. Like I said, I thought she misspelled the word on purpose.

and you were right! ;)