Killing the leviathon

[aleXtrm]

I read somewhere that to kill a leviathon in UT2007 you will have to kill each turret individually and then focus your fire on the main body. Is this true? I personally don't like this.

[sure]

I read somewhere that to kill a leviathon in UT2007 you will have to kill each turret individually and then focus your fire on the main body. Is this true? I personally don't like this.


Where is the link?

[SleightOfHand]

Yeah, where did you hear that? That would be lame if that were the case. I'd park behind a hill so people couldn't hit 2 of the turrets from a distance.

[fuegerstef]

MutNoLevi... :)

[Fury.T32]

tbh i think i could be an idea that you'd have to have a small firefight INSIDE the levi to destroy it (the 2k4 levi is supposedly big inside, so why not?)

could be cool

[2th]

tbh i think i could be an idea that you'd have to have a small firefight INSIDE the levi to destroy it (the 2k4 levi is supposedly big inside, so why not?)

could be cool

i always thought the inside was supposed to be rather small because the ion cannon and power supply takes up so much space. that might make sense why the side gunners are now technically outside the body.

[The_Deacon]

I read somewhere that to kill a leviathon in UT2007 you will have to kill each turret individually and then focus your fire on the main body. Is this true? I personally don't like this.

This wouldn't make sense, although I imagine it will be possible to destroy each turret individually while the other parts of the Leviathan can continue to function normally. If this isn't the case, it should be :)

[Shooks`]

I'm up for the idea that you need to plant some sort of bomb inside it to desrtoy it. I mean with the 5 turrets it could be hard to get near it...

[placebo]

I think the way they're doing it is that if you destroy the turrets first they'll account for a certain amount of the main health as well as taking away the shield/suppressive fire ability of those gunners.

I like the fact that both the turrets are more interesting now and it's easier to kill the gunners.

[placebo]

I'm up for the idea that you need to plant some sort of bomb inside it to desrtoy it. I mean with the 5 turrets it could be hard to get near it...
That would be incredibly neat. Like you'd have to blow four giant bolts at the corners of the entrance door, and then destroy a 400-health engine or something to make the thing explode.

[Unskillful]

well if the dark walker isnt the necris super vehicle i wonder how hard that one will be to kill.

[Unskillful]

Take out the legs, luke skywalker style :D

I wasn't implying killing the darkwalker. I just read on this forum that the darkwalker isnt the equivalent to the levy, which means there is another hugely badass necris vehicle we haven't seen yet which is supposed to be like the levy. I just wonder how hard it will be to kill that.

[aleXtrm]

I got it from BeyondUnreal <http://www.beyondunreal.com/daedalus/singlepost.php?id=9432> read the bottom

[Emmet Otter]

tbh i think i could be an idea that you'd have to have a small firefight INSIDE the levi to destroy it (the 2k4 levi is supposedly big inside, so why not?)

could be coolThe kitchen and bathroom inside would take up all the space. No room to fight. Jeez, wheres your common sense!?!?

[MonsOlympus]

Originally Posted by IceX2002
Take out the legs, luke skywalker style
Axon Snowspeeders FTW :p

oh wait there is hover bikes and grapples, bring it on :D

[Bagrada]

meh, screw the turrets. Just drive scorpions into it kamikazi style until all you're left with is a big smoking mess.

[Phopojijo]

1) I think the point is that with the side-gunners being shields it should be very very hard to kill a levi because they can in theory block most of the AVRILs coming at it.

2) Darkwalker doesn't seem too tough if you can snip its legs with the scorpion.

Edit* 3) If you *can* snip its legs with the scorpion, the scorpion should be called the lumberjack.

[BlindRob]

He's a lumberjack and he's okay.
He sleeps all night and he works all day.

sorry, i had to

[blackout]

it's called leviathan and is a vehicle, not AS-leviathan and map ;)

edit:
He's a lumberjack and he's okay.
He sleeps all night and he works all day.idiot.
...i like you. ;)

[Hanji]

Complain when the Necris super vehicle's details are out.

[aleXtrm]

You guys kind of went off the topic. All I wanted to know was if you really had to kill the four turrets before killing the leviathon. By the way is it leviathon or leviathan?

[Doc Shock]

Complain when the Necris super vehicle's details are out.Too true. Steve Polge said that the Darkwalkers will be the necris' main battle tanks, and I guess that means it is indeed a goliath equivalent. Hard to imagine how über the necris super vehicle will be, then... Maybe they get a big spaceship, or they go Transformers-style: two darkwalkers and an SPMA-counterpart bind together to form a new killer vehicle, or something like that. Or they go the other way round and give the necris a more guerilla-style approach, providing them with a device similar to the C&C:RA Chronosphere, to teleport troops anywhere on the map.
Who knows? We'll have to wait and see. I hope Epic will give away some more vehicle information on a regular basis (to keep us continuously teased) instead of holding the rest of the vehicle set back until release...

@aleXtrm: I guess it is Leviathan, altough the concept art says otherwise. I could be wrong though, they might have renamed it since UT2k4. Too bad one can't see the name in the GC shaky-cam video, it reads "Axon Leviath*dark head in the way*". I don't think you'll have to kill the turrets first, but it will be a lot easier to destroy the Levi when the turrets are down, because every turret gunner has a Paladin-like shield on altfire to protect the Levi.

[sure]

By the way is it leviathon or leviathan?

Leviathan.

[Wormbo]

Hmm....... (http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=leviathon&word2=leviathan)

[aleXtrm]

I like how leviathan is spelled and how it sound, but I still think it is leviathon, since on the concept art pictures it reads leviathon.

[FireCrack]

You guys kind of went off the topic. All I wanted to know was if you really had to kill the four turrets before killing the leviathon. By the way is it leviathon or leviathan?


No, it jsut makes it a whole lot easier if you kill the turrets first...

[NeoPhoenixIIM]

I got it from BeyondUnreal http://www.beyondunreal.com/daedalus/singlepost.php?id=9432 read the bottom

I think they misunderstood what they saw. I don't think you will have to destroy all the turrets before destroying the vehicle. It probably is just a destructible feature, or takes out the Levi quicker than attacking the main body.

They could have realized that the Levi was too powerful in UT2004 so they devised a way to be able to kill it faster (i.e. taking out the turrets inflicts greater damage).

As for the Dark Walker "Main battle tank" would be like the Goliath. It's the "main" or most used battle tank in the UT arsenal.

[The5thviruz]

but I still think it is leviathon, since on the concept art pictures it reads leviathon.

hm...nope, still isn't.

[»madMar†y»]

Hmm....... (http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=leviathon&word2=leviathan)
I'm not sure if that's proves anything. googlefight (http://www.googlefight.com/index.php?lang=en_GB&word1=noob&word2=fatal1ty) (j/k nice link.)

[Wormbo]

I like how leviathan is spelled and how it sound, but I still think it is leviathon, since on the concept art pictures it reads leviathon.
The concept artist was wrong. It is called Leviathan in UT2004 and the vehicle was labled "Axon Leviathan" in the video displayed at Games Convention. I'm not sure how well it shows up on the shaky-cam version available on YouTube, but in the "live" version it was clearly visible as an "a", not an "o".

[Oddside]

They could have realized that the Levi was too powerful in UT2004 so they devised a way to be able to kill it faster (i.e. taking out the turrets inflicts greater damage). The Leviathan in UT2004 isn't very powerful, it can easily be killed by a single raptor, manta or cicada. Unless of course it has loads of support.

If anything I hope they have made the Leviathan harder to take out, it's supposed to be a super-vehicle that takes time & effort to kill, not a minor distraction that one or two players can effectively deal with in a few minutes.

Anyway, in the hi-res video an 'enemy' player can be seen on the ground shooting at the main body of the Leviathan, so from that I would say that taking out the turrets first is not necessary. However, I imagine that taking out the Leviathan with one or more turrets manned will be difficult unless it's dealing with another more dangerous target (than you).

[UnrealGrrl]

i dont like that idea. what might be cool though is if you can kill the Levi, but then you have to kill the turrets... so itd end up being like a dead whale with guns until you knocked them out :)

[aleXtrm]

I think since the levi can deal so much damage there must be tons of explosive fuel and ammo and stuff inside it so when the levi is destroyed it should create an explosion, as destructive, as the redeemer.

[Wormbo]

The Leviathan's main weapon and two of it's turrets are energy weapons, another turret is a minigun and only the fourth turret fires rockets IIRC, so scrap that thought about tons of explosive stuff.

[FrostBiteEST]

During the presentation he mentioned that the darkwalkers are the main battletanks of the necris forces, and the leviathon is a 5 man vehicle, with each of the turrets being a differnet gun. Each turret also has an alternate shield function, much like UT2K4 Paladin. You'll take down the leviathon by destroying each turret individually, then focusing on the main gun. After that, we went right into some Q&A, which you can download below.



thats right u have to kock out all turrets then main cannon heres link:
http://www.beyondunreal.com/daedalus/singlepost.php?id=9432

[Lert]

Well, since Leviathan (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=leviathan) is actually an existing word and leviathon (http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=leviathon) is a typo .. I'd say it's with the a.


Look at what leviathan means, too. That should be a hint.

[Hedge-o-Matic]

I think the Levi has to overcome the reluctance of people to pile into a vehicle, and it must do this with firepower and endurance. Passenger slots make vehicles far more powerful as is, and yet nobody ever seems to use them, perferring to strike out on their own instead. I'd be interested in how Epic plans on overcoming this anti-cooperative mindset. Hell, getting people to link using Link guns is near impossible! The new Levi will have to be really something sweet, instead of four useless slow-projectile turrets with no secondary funtion.

[Kyllian]

I think the Levi has to overcome the reluctance of people to pile into a vehicle, and it must do this with firepower and endurance. Passenger slots make vehicles far more powerful as is, and yet nobody ever seems to use them, perferring to strike out on their own instead.That's because the side turrets on the Levi are useless at anything beyond medium range

Raptor buzzing overhead? You're better off with the rocket battery
Scorp/Bender in the distance? They're gone by the time the shots get there(even with decent prediction)
Manta? Feh, it moves too fast. You'd have to lead by the length of the Levi itself to get a hit on it

About the only thing that it stands a chance against is another Levi or the Goliath

[fuegerstef]

Passenger slots make vehicles far more powerful as is, and yet nobody ever seems to use them, perferring to strike out on their own instead. I'd be interested in how Epic plans on overcoming this anti-cooperative mindset.

It might make that particular vehicle a little more powerful. But it weakens the team as one player less can do useful things at other places. (talking UT2k4 experience here).

[Nietzsche]

It might make that particular vehicle a little more powerful. But it weakens the team as one player less can do useful things at other places. (talking UT2k4 experience here).

Mmmh, must be the reason why in clanmatches you usually wait for your teammate(s) ... Of course it all depends on the map (and the vehicle, mind you) but in general using the vehicle WITH your team is far more powerfull than doing the opposite.
Though I know where you are pointing at - on pubs it often is better to just pick the vehicle and go for it, as you might otherwise get shot off the manta or get stuck with an idiot behind the driving wheel :>

[fuegerstef]

Mmmh, must be the reason why in clanmatches you usually wait for your teammate(s) ... Of course it all depends on the map (and the vehicle, mind you) but in general using the vehicle WITH your team is far more powerfull than doing the opposite.
Though I know where you are pointing at - on pubs it often is better to just pick the vehicle and go for it, as you might otherwise get shot off the manta or get stuck with an idiot behind the driving wheel :>

One moment: They wait to get their teammates faster to another part of the map, not for fighting. The clanmatches I specced (and that were a lot) didn't have vehicles manned with 2 persons to actually fight.
(Cicada is useful though, the rest of the vehicles aren't powerful enough with 2 players in)

[Nietzsche]

Ok, did miss your point in the previous post then :> I agree that it's most of the time pretty useless to have a vehicle manned with more than one person when it comes to fighting.

[Hedge-o-Matic]

It might make that particular vehicle a little more powerful. But it weakens the team as one player less can do useful things at other places. (talking UT2k4 experience here).

This is true. the passengers of a vehicle have to be made even more useful, apparently. One idea would be the option to respawn in a passenger seat, rather than at a node. Of course, this should commit you to the vehicle for a little while, say 15 seconds, so people don't use the respawn spots and immediately bail out. But being able to respawn in a levi passenger seat would be cool.

So, considering that the power of the players is concentrated into one target (and thus more vulnerable), I think the passengers should be much more empowered than they are now. I think the driver should never have the primary weapon, for example, if a passenger is present. The Hellbender is already a good step in this direction, but wouldn't more people hop into a moving Goliath, if we could crew the gun, rather than the pathetic 50-cal?

[Evil Homer]

I'm still wondering if the Necris Dark Walkers are the equal to the goliath, what is the rough equal to a Levi?! I would love to see a screen shot of that...

[fuegerstef]

I like it as it is now.
Making vehicles more powerful (when manned with several people, so that a passanger is more useful than he is on foot) will even more get in the way of balanced (attack/defense) gameplay.

[Boksha]

I'm still wondering if the Necris Dark Walkers are the equal to the goliath, what is the rough equal to a Levi?! I would love to see a screen shot of that... It certainly looks like the Goliath and the DarkWalker are more or less equivalent in terms of firepower, so I'm guessing Epic are keeping the Necris biggest vehicle under wraps 'till release time.

I somehow expect it to be an 8 legged version of the Leviathan. :p