Feign death

[Scylla]

Is it true this is in the game (yes, I know it has been discused but it was off topic)?

It sounds even worse than tricks with the hoverboard.

Who really falls for that anyway? Especially if they do that just before you actually kill them.

"Hmmm, a corpse laying there. That's nothing supicious at all."

[Jake-SF]

Do you have anything against thing added more for fun than for efficacity and pro-based play?

Its fun to play around with, to try, to see who will be fooled by such a (maybe stupid) tactics, its just for fun. It isn't any major issue or something.

[Wowbagger]

Yea, we need less of people who whine about everything Epic does ;)

[F3nyx]

Gotta agree with you on this. It's a pretty strange gimmick and I don't understand the immense nostalgia for it.

[Entil'Zha]

It was pure fun
Mind you, I tricked several people into thinking I was dead

But tbh in UT2007 it wouldn't be as cool

You would be constantly ran over by vehicles lol

[Tarball|UTzone]

maybe you can avoid Rockets in small Floors ;)

[Sero]

in ut99 I think the only people ever fooled by it were a player here and there on a public

it's essentially too useless to see it as a lame tactic or to use it yourself in any other situation than fooling around a bit, so I don't really care about it, I doubt it'll have much of an impact at all

wouldn't care for it not being in the game either though

[iron12]

Its there for people who want to use it. I don’t think it hurts the game any so why not.

[Monster w/21 Faces]

Personally I think it'll be a lot of fun for having fun with stunts and with the hoverboard. Especially if you go ragdoll when you fain. Being blasted into the air with a stack of grenades and then going limp as you freefall back to earth would be great.

We might even get something like a crash dummy mod where you get points for inflicting damage on your flailing ragdoll.

[Compiler]

For CTF type of games, Feign death was handy and FUN in its own way... and also USEFUL for when you need to run to the Kitchen (not all of us have a mini-fridge next to a computer) as it reduced your player from being a target or upsetting other players thinking you maybe idle for no reason.

In UT03/04 - it was not as usable since people would DE-REZ (ala TRON) which was one of the short comings of UT03/04 games... we liked our gibs from UT99. But when there were REAL dead players, it was handy to FAKE it among the dead and watch the enemy run by you... either wait for the flag or give your team INTEL from the enemy area or if your on a hill.

So yes, FAKING death was useful for tactics... and FUN when you pop up behind an enemy and blow them away. So I hope to see this feature on UT2007 - not hard to ADD.

[toniglandyl]

well, a manta is comming on you : feign death ! you pass under the manta.
a tank shoots at you : feign death, your ragdoll will fly (if the blast didn't kill you) and you'll be away from another shot from the tank...
there are plenty of things to do with feign death ! (even a pile of "cadavers" for a nice pic)

[r1esG0]

the best way to use it could be if the corpses were not deleted, and being previously in a fake death before the enemy sees you, because the enemy has seen lots of non deleted corpses before and can not know the difference

Is easy to know if a player has faked when sooted cause the frag counter.


hm.... non deleting/acumulative corpses and fake death.... could be a decent mutator...

[2th]

For CTF type of games, Feign death was handy and FUN in its own way... and also USEFUL for when you need to run to the Kitchen (not all of us have a mini-fridge next to a computer) as it reduced your player from being a target or upsetting other players thinking you maybe idle for no reason.

In UT03/04 - it was not as usable since people would DE-REZ (ala TRON) which was one of the short comings of UT03/04 games... we liked our gibs from UT99. But when there were REAL dead players, it was handy to FAKE it among the dead and watch the enemy run by you... either wait for the flag or give your team INTEL from the enemy area or if your on a hill.

So yes, FAKING death was useful for tactics... and FUN when you pop up behind an enemy and blow them away. So I hope to see this feature on UT2007 - not hard to ADD.


QUOTED FOR TRUTH!!!

i loved feigning death in UT99. you could campe in semi obscur places and you were less of a target as well as less of an object for people to see.

[placebo]

Is it true this is in the game (yes, I know it has been discused but it was off topic)?

It sounds even worse than tricks with the hoverboard.

Who really falls for that anyway? Especially if they do that just before you actually kill them.

"Hmmm, a corpse laying there. That's nothing supicious at all."
Your post + your sig = ultimate irony

[RogueLeader]

I'd like too see that feature in UT2k7, because it adds another tactic-aspect to the gameplay. If you'r good enough you can maybe fall when the first shot hits you so your opponent believes he killed you and when he turns around you blow him up.
There is really nothing about it implementing it, cause if you don't want to use it you won't have to. It is only for those you have fun with it.

[Compiler]

Even if *I* am faking death... I DO laugh and HAVE FUN if an enemy figured it out and pops me before I can get up. "Doh! You got me!! But the other 3 guys... LOL"

Even when I was in CLAN - I weren't too sure if I was really dead. (I didnt do it ALL the time). But they'd curse me when I'd pop'em.

[Scylla]

Your post + your sig = ultimate irony

It's not really pushing the game forward in anyway, since it was a feature that already existed in UT.


well, a manta is comming on you : feign death ! you pass under the manta.
a tank shoots at you : feign death, your ragdoll will fly (if the blast didn't kill you) and you'll be away from another shot from the tank...

If the people manning those vehicles are smart, they would just shoot at you.


If you'r good enough you can maybe fall when the first shot hits you so your opponent believes he killed you and when he turns around you blow him up.

And again, you have to be a fool not to realise that you didn't kill him...

[RogueLeader]

Well ok, maybe he won't buy he fraggt you, but it will take him some parts of a second to realize that. And in certain situations those parts of a second can be decisive. Maybe you just fire some flakshells against the wall next to you and fake suicide. I don't keep reading the deathmsg in FFA. Could also work with two shooting at you, as they might thing the other one got you. They would both have not the time for a securityshot, cause they got to deal with each other. I think there is some practical use to it.

[NeoPhoenixIIM]

I have to agree with everyone that is saying it will be fun. It was fun in UT, and I'm sure it will be even better in UT2007. Plus it helps you when playing with friends, you can say you are stepping away; feign somewhere and they would know not to shoot you. My clan use to do that in the original UT.

I also think it's cool when epic puts in these little options to add fun to the game. I feel things like tricks, taunts, and feign death keeps the game interesting and fun, while not effecting game play at all. You have to have a good balance between fun, easy to learn, and pro, skilled based play. Too much up tight pro play makes a game dull and boring. Just as too many flamboyant fun factors creates a spammy and weak game.

So the more fun factors Epic can ship for us without distorting the game play, is fine with me, in fact I welcome it with open arms.

[»{EID}«-Silenoz]

Not to disagree with you guy's i think it would be a fun asset to ut2007.But in ut99 when someone feign death,and you put your crosshairs on them didnt there name show up? it's been along time since i played it so i cant remember.
Eitherway it just means well have to wast ammo on the corpses.

cheers!

[Doc Shock]

Well, I'm looking forward to it. Of course, pros won't fall for it, but who cares? It's an entertaining feature, and if you manage to fool a player just once, so you can get back at him, that's so rewardingly funny that it makes up for the 10 times it didn't work before.
But it might be interesting to see if people will use FD for crazy stunts and other tricks. Imagine, instead of running down a slope, you just dodge forward, hit the FD key and your raddoll flies and slides down the slope faster than you could ever run. Some may call it abuse, I call it a feature:
Downhill Ragdoll-Races 4tw!

[NeoPhoenixIIM]

Not to disagree with you guy's i think it would be a fun asset to ut2007.But in ut99 when someone feign death,and you put your crosshairs on them didnt there name show up? it's been along time since i played it so i cant remember.
Eitherway it just means well have to wast ammo on the corpses.

cheers!

I don't think it did. Infact wasn't the name thing a 2kx feature?

[Twrecks]

Wep throw with firegn death worked well in UT99 for gettin nOObs to chase your rocket launcher as they riddled you from behind with the minigun.
Also was good for finding snipers after they didn't get the headshot!
Another cool feature might be "pronation" aka lying down (wep in hand).

[Jake-SF]

But it might be interesting to see if people will use FD for crazy stunts and other tricks. Imagine, instead of running down a slope, you just dodge forward, hit the FD key and your raddoll flies and slides down the slope faster than you could ever run. Some may call it abuse, I call it a feature:
Downhill Ragdoll-Races 4tw!
ROFL! The funniest would be to see is corpse hit lot of things and get "hurt" a lot in the process, really thinking he is dead to finally see him land on his feet after...

There simply is a lot of funny stuff you could do with that.

[blackout]

...like in gael - falling in the hole in the middle made you bend in any possible way before falling in the lava.
for feign death, i guess it will only lead to everyone shooting any corpse around ;)

[Hanji]

Well, I'm looking forward to it. Of course, pros won't fall for it, but who cares? It's an entertaining feature, and if you manage to fool a player just once, so you can get back at him, that's so rewardingly funny that it makes up for the 10 times it didn't work before.
But it might be interesting to see if people will use FD for crazy stunts and other tricks. Imagine, instead of running down a slope, you just dodge forward, hit the FD key and your raddoll flies and slides down the slope faster than you could ever run. Some may call it abuse, I call it a feature:
Downhill Ragdoll-Races 4tw!
WTF, ROFL, Downhill Ragdoll Races, that funneh!!!! FTW!!!

[Schemen]

Well, I'm looking forward to it. Of course, pros won't fall for it, but who cares? It's an entertaining feature, and if you manage to fool a player just once, so you can get back at him, that's so rewardingly funny that it makes up for the 10 times it didn't work before.
But it might be interesting to see if people will use FD for crazy stunts and other tricks. Imagine, instead of running down a slope, you just dodge forward, hit the FD key and your raddoll flies and slides down the slope faster than you could ever run. Some may call it abuse, I call it a feature:
Downhill Ragdoll-Races 4tw!

EXACTLY! i'm curious if we can do this ragdoll-downhill-rides, especially if you can still look around like you were running. else you would have to close your eyes or you're going to be motion sick and run in circles after standing up again ^^ and may this take time? to stand up? btw speaking of ragdolls... does anybody know flatout or flatout2?? :D

but the other aspect is, do we really have to shoot corpses? if we do, i'm looking forward to gibs... utclassic style ftw! :D

let's collect ideas for feign death, so we can read through this again while playing the demo and keep faking newbz with strategies in a row xD

oh and i almost forgot! there was a trick (i read about it in the ut bible :rolleyes: ) in utclassic: load up your bio rifle (or blob-gun how i prefer to call it xD ) feign death, wait for a player and release... it was called "the green death" or summat like that :D

[Shadow]I[]

feign death was good to use in assault mode, if you could get half way, then lay down and let some enemys pass you, then get back up and sneakily destroy the objective :D

it was funny when someone feigned deathed while looking down in ut99, their head would get burried under the floor and their feet would stick up

[Law]

I dont see why it cant be in the game. Nothing wrong with more options.

[Ender]

It would be useful for not getting run over by the manta it seems to me, and possibly the new hellbender and even scorpion.

[BioHaZarD]

Yeah totally agree with feign death.. A++++++ :)

[iLL]

Yeah they should have it.Its not about fooling people even though I can remember doing so a few times in 99.Even though I got fragged alot I always liked it to let people know I was afk for a minute getting a refill or using the bathroom.Most just took the easy frag,but some did not.I never used it as a tactic though.Bodies evaporate shortly after death so when you see a still laying body not vaporizing you know hes faking.

I also would like to see a handstand and or cartwheel feature :p

[VoodooPriest]

can we have feign death instead of vehicles?

(I'm just trying to fullfill my role here)

[13XBMSPEC]

I used it. Anyone remember you were able to queue up the goo and then feign death and lay there waiting for your next victim to line up directly infront of you?

[Magwa]

Now you are talking Goo +Feign death = fun..lol and when i want to type i use FD..if i get blown up no problem but most walk by...

[awaw]

I'm afraid it will just work against people you'd beat easily anyway and lead to shoot-every-corpse-lying-around which wouldn't be good imho.

[blackout]

one thing is for sure: it will permit lots of funny scenes for videos.